hutchinson told the committee passantino never explicitly told her to lie. i don't want you to pressure yourself. >> we understand that these efforts may have been a strategy to prevent the committee from finding the truth. >> reporter: the hutchinson transcripts come in the wake of the release of the full committee report coming later today. >> sometime this afternoon. >> what do you expect the american people to learn from this report? >> well, i think you'll see it's very comprehensive. >> reporter: it's expected to offer more details about trump's effort to overturn the 2020 election. and revealed by hutchinson when trump was told he couldn't go to the capitol january 6th. >> the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engle grabbed his arm, said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engle. and when mr. ornato had recounted the story to me, he motioned towards his clavicles. >> reporter: steering clear of that bombshell moment, hut

effect of, i'm the effing president, take me up to the capitol now. >> reporter: she said stefan passantino discouraged her and suggested she say she didn't recall. >> for a lawyer to tell a client to say something that the client knows is false, it's not just unusual, it's criminal. >> reporter: passantino said he represented hutchinson honorably and ethically but is taking a leave of absence from the firm because the situation with the committee had become, quote, a distraction. nikole killion, cbs news, capitol hill. >>> the founder of the failed cryptocurrency platform ftx is free this morning on a quarter of a billion dollars bond. sam bankman-fried appeared in federal court in new york yesterday to face charges of defrauding ftx customers out of billions. lilia luciano has more. >> reporter: sam bankman-fried walked past reporters, the first public glimpse of him back on u.s. soil. outside a new york federal courthouse. moments earlier he calmly sat as prosecutors pulled no punches saying the disgraced founder of the cryptocurrency company ftx perpetrated a fraud of epic proportions.

, remember stefan passantino, because this will become a very relevant. stefan passantino told her not to relay that anecdote you just heard to the committee when she first testified earlier this year. quote, no, no, no, no, no. we don't want to go there. we don't want to talk about that, and quote. it seems like passantino was pressuring hutchinson not to talk about a lot of things. again, according to hutchinson, quote, passantino said, we want to get you in, get you out, we will downplay your role. hutchinson also said that passantino told her, quote, the less you remember, the better. i don't think you should be filling in any calendars or anything. we are not building a timeline. unless you remember a very specific day with a very specific event, i don't recall is your answer. if you don't 100% recall something, even if you don't recall a date or someone who may or may not have been in the room, that's an entirely fine answer, and we want you to use that response as much as you deem necessary. and quote. hutchinson went on to say that she asked passa

take me up to the capitol now. >> reporter: -- she said passantino discouraged her and suggested she say she didn't recall. >> for a lawyer to tell a client to say something that the client knows is false, it's not just unusual. it's criminal. >> reporter: passantino said he represented hutchinson honorably and ethically, but he also announced that he's taking a leave of absence from his firm because the situation from the committee had become, quote, a distraction. major. >> nikole killion, thank you. >>> ukraine's president zelenskyy says he has returned to his war-torn country with, quote, good results after his direct appeal to a joint meeting of congress to help repel russia's brutal assault in ukraine. krx's ian lee is on the ground in ukraine with reaction to zelenskyy's impassioned speech. [ applause ] >> reporter: president zelenskyy entered the capitol to a hero's welcome and explained to a joint meeting of congress why a ukrainian victory would also be a win for the united states. >> your money is not charity. it's an investment in the global security and democracy. >> rep

she did stress that passantino never explicitly told her to lie. hutchinson said her breaking point with passantino came in june when he advised her not to speak to the committee anymore, risking contempt is a small risk but running to the right is better for you. hutchinson eventually hired another lawyer before her blockbuster testimony for the committee, of course, we know, proved some of the most damning testimony against the former president. cnn reached out to passantino for comment an hutchinson's interview and provide add statement earlier to cnn this week saying he was ethical when presenting hutchinson and said he believed her initial round of testimony to the committee was truthful and that she was being cooperative's in a statement said i believe ms. hutchinson was being truthful and cooperative with the committee throughout the several sessions in which i represented her and we're expecting more transcripts over the next couple days and also expecting, expected this yesterday, to get the final report from this committee if they can get

this is what hutchinson described passantino as saying, quote, just downplay your position. it's not fair that mark meadows, her former boss, chief of staff to trump, put you in this position. we just want to focus on protecting the president. we all know you're loyal. let's just get you in and out and this day will be easy, i promise. >> oh, lord. where to begin? first year of criminal law class playing out because of all the sort of issues this raised. number one, what you have is knowledge on the part of the former president that he lost the election. that is relevant to an obstruction charge and conspiracy to defraud the united states charge and relevant to this false statement charge they're talking about from the former president that he knew he lost, right? what you'll see from the committee, i think is rolling out all these statements where people brought to the former president that he lost, two, obstruction of justice, any of these people who are directing a witness to say something or not say something on the stand in the goal of frustrating the investigation is a

she recalls how passantino and other trump allies dangled these job offers in front of her, said she would be taken care of as long as she stayed loyal to the former president. she also made a point to tell the committee that while passantino had encouraged her to mislead the committee he didn't straight up to tell her to lie. this is what she said. i want to make it clear, stefan never told me to lie. he specifically told me i don't want you to perjury yourself but i don't recall isn't perjurying. they don't know what you can and cannot recall. she went on to a new legal team and testified publicly before the interviews that we're now reading the transcripts from and got a statement from passantino saying he believed he represented her ethically and believed she was truthful. >> i don't recall is a common refrain from legal proceedings whether trials or this kind of testimony and it's important to understand, though, that is not an automatic do whatever you want for free card. if you're a lawyer and your client does know or does recall something and you tell them, just say you don't

stefan passantino is likely to pay. for the unethical and illegal conduct that is described under oath by cassidy hutchinson in this transcript. cassidy hutchinson did not want a lawyer from trump. page 32. i knew the moment that i went back and had to get a trump world attorney it's -- i don't to categorize the world, the trump world in this way. but in a lot scenarios that i have been privy to, once are looped in, especially financially with them, they're sort of is no turning back. castillo johnson about herself completely unable to pay for the lawyer. she has palmer's financial help. and they're surprised i cast hutchinson wasn't happy with a free lawyer from trump world. cassidy hansen explained the problem to hre mother. page 32. i was like, no, i'm completely indebted these people. and they will ruin my life. if i do anything that they don't want me to do. now to page 33. and i read this passage of a deeply personal testimony only to make clear the level of desperation cassidy hutchinson reached. turning to a fre

so you can see how she ended up with stephan passantino.ayed the statement from stefans passantino, she alleged he was not just representing her but trying to shape her testimony. and that is very serious and very specific and something the committee has said the doj is looking at it, i suspect we'll hear more about this in the coming months. >> can you give us a sense with the 845 pages i know you went through them because you had a report out at 2:00 in the morning so i know you haven't slept. what stood out to you? you've been reporting on trump world for so long, what stood out in this report? were there things we haven't seen during the committee? >> there was a lot of new meat on the bone. the story is the same, the committee finds him unfit to serve. shows that he was not -- you know, they stressed this over and over again, he was an active participant in this, he wasn't some person beset by bad advice which is something his allies have tried suggesting but he was the center of the wheel on all of this. so that's the main takeaway. t

it it's criminal. >> reporter: passantino said he represented hutchinson honorably and ethically, butounced that he's taking a leave of absence from his firm because the situation with the committee had become "a distraction." major. >> garrett: nikole killion, thank you. ukraine's president zelenskyy says he has returned to his war-torn country with "good results," after his direct appeal to a joint meeting of congress to help repel russia's brutal assault in ukraine. cbs' ian lee is on the ground in ukraine with reaction to zelenskyy's impassioned speech. ( applause ) >> reporter: president zelenskyy entered the capitol to a hero's welcome, and explained to a joint meeting of congress why a ukrainian victory would also be a win for the united states. >> your money is not charity. it is an investment in the global security and democracy. >> reporter: dressed in his trademark olive green fatigues, he thanked president biden, congress, and the american people. >> your support is crucial. we have artillery, yes. thank you. we have it. is it enough? honestly, not really. ( laughter ) ( g

stefan passantino lied to his client about that if her testimony is credible. cassidy hutchinson had never had a lawyer before in her life and could not afford a lawyer and had been offered this free lawyer from what she calls trump world, if cassidy hutchinson submitted to and remained under the control of that lawyer paid by donald trump, she would have delivered the january 6th committee none of the testimony that is now the basis of the committee's criminal referral of a former president of the united states for prosecution by the justice department. cassidy hutchinson's testimony reveals another point that standing alone would be enough to get that lawyer disbarred in most jurisdictions in this country. he refused to tell her who was paying him to represent her. here is how cassidy hutchinson describes her very first words with the criminal defense lawyer that trump world provided her. page 21, on monday, february 7th, 2022 i received a call in the afternoon from stefan passantino. i had never worked with stefan. we never really overlapped, and i had never

cnn reported that person was former white house ethics lawyer stefan passantino. out, cassidy, as this pressure campaign talking about a number of white house aides, excuse me, former white house aides, people in trump's orbit, passantino in particular trying to get her to downplay her testimony indicating to her that if she was loyal to former president trump she would, quote, be taken care of. so here's what she says about stefan in particular. i want to make this clear to you, stefan never told me to lie. he specifically told me i don't want to you perjury yourself but i don't recall isn't perjury. they don't know what you can and can't recall. they don't know what is -- what you know. that's what he went on to say later there. the other thing she said was that some of what she was experiencing was her own feelings about being watched by trump. this is what she says, it was almost like i felt like i had trump looking over my shoulder because i knew in some fashion it would get back to him if i said anything he would find as disloyal and the prospect of that gen

according to hutchinson, passantino told her, quote, the less you remember, the better.n't want you to perjure yourself but i don't recall isn't perjury. hutchinson said she became wracked with guilt but was scared to come forward with more information because, quote, it felt like i had trump looking over my shoulder. by april she said the guilt caused her to have a mental breakdown. hutchinson then studied up on whistle-blowers who came forward during the watergate scandal and said if i'm going to pass the mirror test for the rest of my life i need to try to fix some of this. at the end of her third deposition after agreeing to testify before the committee publicly hutchinson told a staffer, quote, i'm about to be expletive nuked. the staffer simply replied, i'm really sorry. despite knowing this, hutchinson testified anyway. in a statement to nbc news, passantino denies any wrongdoing but says he is taking a leave of absence from his law firm. joining us now former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor barbara mcquade. barbara, can you explain to us just the magnitude of

passantino, discouraged her from trying to jog her memory. according to her testimony she said, i am your lawyer i know what's best for you. the less you remember, the better. do not read anything to jog your memory. do not try to put together timelines. that same trump lawyer also telling cassidy hutchison not to tell the committee about the harrowing incident in which trump, allegedly, lunged at the wheel of his suv, and at the leader of the secret service detail, when the ancient refused to take trump to the capital, following his speech on the ellipse, on january 6th. as she told the committee, quote, i said something to stephen like, yes, i had this conversation with tony ornato, trump's deputy chief of staff, when we got back from the rally that day, and tony told me that the president tried to wrap his hands around the secret service agents neck and strangle him, because he would not take him to the capitol. stephen said no, no, no. i remember he sat back in his chair and said, no, no, no. we don't want to go there. we do not want to t

stephen passantino try t influence her testimony.utchinson recalled passantino telling her to quote, focus on protecting the president following the release of the report, trump took to social media platform to respond. deflecting blame for the attac by the way on to the house speaker nancy pelosi and doubling down on his electio lies but thursday's report is not the last we're gonna hear from the committee. more of those transcripts abou 300 and total are expected t be released in the coming days the committee only has until january 3rd to release all o their material to the public that is when republicans tak over the house and the panel will be dissolved. let's bring in the democrati congressman-elect daniel goldman of new york. come january, he's going t represent new york's tenth district but he also served as th majority counsel for the house impeachment inquiry into donal trump. he was also an assistant u.s attorney for the souther district of new york congressman-elect, good to see you, thanks for being with u this morning >>

passantino was an ethics lawyer in trump's white house. then he started a political law firm.n paid hundreds of thousands of dollars at this year alone. by donald trump's political fundraising groups. and that included, we were able to confirm, payments for passantino to represent cassidy hutchinson in the house select committee probe. at least that was until she was preparing to testify publicly the summer, she got a new lawyer around that time. became the star witness, now the house is publicly raising concerns about that entire set up. they have other concerns to john, with this lawyer. it is a long list. this lawyer was telling her not to recall facts. she did recall them though. not to clarify testimony that she believed was inaccurate. and something that we cast a bad light on donald trump, he told her we don't want to go there, we don't want to talk about that. that is all according to the committee that spoke to cassidy hutchinson maybe times. they never reached out to passantino, he has not been charged with any crime, but he did provide us with a statement today push

passantino are the sorts of things you would expect to see from an attorney protecting their client,g sure their client doesn't step beyond the authority they have, makes it clear they're guessing about something or providing an opinion rather than a statement of fact, so some of that you should expect to see but it's seeing it, understanding the emotional kind of hand wringing that she was going through at the time, her concerns about how mr. passantino might be communicating what she's telling him and what he's saying back to people as she says in trump world. it's an example of an attorney and client whose interests are splitting and dividing going in different directions. and she solves that problem by hiring jody hunt. >> thank you so much. just stunning what we saw. thank you for helping us understand it. >> thanks. >>> next, the aftermath of this brutal deadly storm. authorities in buffalo, new york, expecting to find sadly more bodies days after this blizzard. >> this is something notable. it's been very quiet when it comes to house republicans on george santos, the congressm

and stefan passantino is somebody who had been in washington for a long time.to cover lawyers almost 20 years ago skrgs he was one of those figures in the conservative law movement that had a lot of clients doing a lot of different things around lobbying and ethics and things like that. and so going to be very interesting to see what happens to him next, not just on the criminal face of things, but certainly what is the future of him in the law profession sprks and where do clients see he's a credible lawyer and whether he has their best interests at heart. >> you know, i will say david jolly that i obviously anna's right, i'm not meaning to suggest anything criminal operate of cassidy hutchinson's lawyer, but i will say that one of the great lies in politics is i'm going to quit my job to spend more time with my family. another is i'm going to take a leave from my law firm because i've become a distraction. these are things to get rid of smoke because there's often fire. go to this mob behavior thing one more time. there's a quote in the hutchinson transcript

they never reached out to passantino. he has also not been charged with any crime.e us with a statement today, pushing back on. this he was saying he represented cassidy hutchinson ethically, that she was truthful with the committee whenever he was shepherding her through testimony. he also said he is taking a leave of absence from a corporate law firm where he is a partner. but all of this matters now, john, because the committee flagged this instance, among other things for the justice department when they release that summary yesterday, and previously. and we do know now, we can confirm that cassidy hutchinson spoke to criminal investigators about this episode. and of course maybe an important witness for federal investigators that continue to look into january 6th. >> and this is just one of several instances in which the committee has accused members of the former president's orbit of trying to obstruct the panel's investigation. do we have any more information about the other examples? >> john, not just in the orbit, but potentially donald trump himself. the h

previously from the committee in their hearing, in their executive summary, we are learning stefan passantinossidy hutchinson. she ended up dropping him as a lawyer. he got new counsel, and appeared in a public hearing where she gave bombshell testimony that resonated for the committee. as my team is reporting this hour, we got a statement from stephon passantino, saying in part -- i represented her ethically and honestly. i believe she was being honestly in which sessions where i represented her. we're going to be looking for more evidence of that in the report and the 2ri79s, kate. >> thank you very much. >>> we're also witnessing another blow to the women of afghanistan. the taliban announcing it's banning all women from attending universities effective immediately. small groups of students are protesting, or at least trying to protest. the u.s. special enjoy for afghan women slamming this move. we have the latest on this. this is horrible news. >> absolutely, kate. this is a huge blow to women's rights in afghanistan. it may not come as a total surprise, considering the rollbacks we have

this is obviously, you know, behavior that the committee views as potentially obstructive, passantino put out a statement saying he believes that he represented hutchinson truthfully, ethically, honorly and she was truthful and cooperative with the committee but this is a lawyer she dropped before she appeared publicly and offered that bombshell testimony in that public hearing so obviously hutchinson had a lot of concerns about her representation in this process, ana. >> is this witness tampering, jen, and what about these other obstruction accusations? do they have legs? >> well, certainly doj will seriously consider any allegations from congress that their investigation was obstructed of the those are the sorts of referrals doj takes seriously and look into and telling a witness to lie can be obstruction of justice, it will just depend on what the proof is. you know, whether it's just a he said/she said or if cassidy hutchinson memorialized this conversation somewhere, told people at the time what was said, that would strengthen the case and note for lawyers, of course, their ethic

if you look at stefan passantino released a statement today. if you look at that statement, he clearly is indicating where the center of this dispute between the two of them will be. he'll say that he was representing her consistent with her interests in the way that she expressed them to him. so there is -- this gets down to the very nitty gritty of that relationship, those interactions between the lawyer and the client. >> this is the statement here, right? >> yeah. so he said in a statement to cnn, i represented ms. hutchinson honorably, ethically, and fully consistent with her sole interest as she communicated them to me. so there it is. that's the -- >> she changed lawyers. >> she did. and the quote from the committee is that he said to her, they don't know what you know. they don't know that you can recall some of these things. so you saying i don't recall is an entirely acceptable response to a question that apparently would have put donald trump in bad light. if i were a client getting that advice, and i did recall something and my atto

today, ari, you know, she says that she comes out of the hearing and she tells her lawyer, stefan passantinoshe says i'm effed. i just lied. they don't know that you can -- i just lied, and then he responds, they don't know that you can recall some of these things so you can't recall is a perfectly acceptable response. you know, putting it simply to tell a client to be dishonest under oath is pretty high on the list of things that attorneys aren't supposed to do. it puts, you know, this lawyer in the rudy giuliani category of someone who's going to lose his legal license if this account holds up, but it's also deeply, deeply criminal. and ari, you and i have talked a lot. i will defend to the ends of the earth a lawyer who zealously advocates for his client or her client, that's not what this is. this is a person not acting as an attorney, but acting as a mob thug. >> strong point from you on the nuance. ruth, your thoughts on what i mentioned, what's coming out now in a kind of a more piecemeal process. we have 150 pages of the report. we've been digesting that. rachel and i were discussing

thought was interesting were the interaction with his her and her first attorney, trump-funded, p passantino sort of corrects already, interjects, there was discrepancy about her recollection, and the former president's reaction, and she got eventually a different lawyer, when they came in, they had to correct some things she said. it's notable. this was someone who is funded by trump and appears to be a pattern of trying to conceal exactly what was happening. >> just the visual of them burning the documents and keeping thing off the books, you think you know it all -- >> we never do. >> paula reed, thank you so much. >> joining me to discuss is michael moore. good morning. thank you for being here. you suggest these transcripts are a lot of smoke and not much fire to pin directly on trump, but it does appear, as we were just talking with paula, cha the chief of staff could be in jeopardy. what do you think about where this puts him? >> i think it duran the h-- turs the heat up on him. >> it looks like you have a guilty conscience. remember, most of the time people involved in criminal activ

is there criminal exposure here for passantino? >> i'm glad to be with you both.out the lousiest legal advice that i have heard in awhile. basically putting your client in jeopardy of a contempt citation and at the same time putting yourself at jeopardy for criminal charges if you are trying to be to instruct or intimidate or threaten in some way a witness. we don't know exactly what the threatening part was, other than getting back to people in the organization, but there may also be professional licensing. i don't know what they give up to practice law over that kind of advice. there's no way to make it look good. it was bad advice, and improper, and, you know, it was interesting to me to hear that he did not tell her specifically to lie, and that there's not that direct link that donald trump told me to tell you this. we haven't seen that yet. so not a good day for the lawyer in this case. >> natasha, listen. we hear that cassidy hutchinson defied the pressure, but the question is, and we really may never know the answer to this, were there are others who did s

passantino. she talks about that. she obviously switched attorneys and then went back and said i want to basically redo some of the things and clarify what she told the committee. >> yeah, it's worrisome, anytime you're representing a witness in this context, number one, you need to make sure you're forthright and honest with the witness about who is paying the bills. who you're representing, what your interests are in this case. you've also got to be careful not to try to shade or color or persuade the witness, not to tell the truth under oath. now, of course, there's no obligation for a witness to simply say effverything that's your mind to answer the questions given. certainly what we saw from cassidy hutchinson's testimony from what she saw, she was being pressured to be moret reticent and not able to. >> and with the attorney/client privilege, she as the client can complain about this, what would have to happen? could he be disbarred or, for example, or scodisciplined if cassidy hutchinson came out to say i don't

and now we're learning from a cnn report that donald trump up ethics lawyer stephen passantino, he adviseshe did not recall details that she did indeed remember. according to cnn, trump's save america political action committee paid for him to represent hutchinson which is something that should deserve investigation. in other words, the questions around january 6 certainly have not been answered and likely to have more tomorrow. in less than 24 hours, the committee will make the mother lode of its existence present. for months, the doj has asked the committee for many of these items and for months, the committee has been reluctant to acquiesce to that request until now. hours ago, punchbowl reported that jack smith sent the committee a letter earlier this month requesting all of the materials that the committee has gathered for the past year and a half. as of last week, the committee started to send over the goods, reams of transcripts and documents. nbc news confirms that the committee has been actively cooperating with the justice department for the last month, just ahead of tomorrow's

i want to mention stefan passantino's statement he gave.e said i represented miss hutchinson, honorably and fully consistent with her sole interests. i believe miss hutchinson was being truthful and cooperative throughout the several interview sessions in which i represented her. so clearly he believes nothing was wrong. the committee looks at it in another way. we'll see the transcripts soon but there is a bigger picture theme here of people in trump world potentially trying to influence the committee and what the witnesses say. >> yeah, i mean, cassidy hutchinson is the clearest example because of this reporting we know that she -- her lawyer specifically allegedly told her to say she didn't recall key details when she did. but the committee also said that they believe that there were several witnesses that weren't being fully truthful or were saying i don't recall when it wasn't believable and talked about potential witness tampering and obstruction. this came up in some of the hearings over the summer into the fall so i think one of the

she changed lawyers and there have been very serious allegations about her former lawyer, stefan passantinotrump world. when she gets her new lawyer jodie hunt she's fully forthcoming. that's very important. she says i want to correct and extend the record. but information pours out, jessica, incriminating information for donald trump, mark meadows and others. so that's also very important part of these transcripts. >> and what do you think about -- we're expecting these taxes to be released, the former president's taxes by the house ways and means committee on friday. what do you think we will learn? what are you going to be looking for in those records? we've heard a little bit about it but this will be the fully redacted version. >> well, the taxes will be important because there are serious allegations about whether the former president was honest and complied with the law in his taxes, and more generally he's going to trial this year in new york, a civil trial by the ag, jessica, where she has said that there's a widespread pattern of fraud in his businesses. so we will want to look fo

well that witness, turns out was cassidy hutchinson and the lawyer turns out stephen passantino. >> ancan't write this stuff. >> and sent a statement to cnn insisting he represented hutchinson honestly and forthright with the company. and ultimately, she got new lawyers and in that hearing where she provided bombshell testimony. it's important. we talked about the referrals to doj, a lot of that is not legally binding if they hand over evidence to obstruct or tamper with witnesses in the congressional designation, that's something that doj is going to look at. >> by the trump pack and others and others in the committee saying things along the line -- it was like she was reading from talking points. >> right, or someone was offered a lucrative job if they were willing to stay, essentially, on the former president's team. i think when we look, when we finally get its report, all of the its pages, all of the evidence, that's the kind of underlying evidence we'll be looking for. for names of witnesses. >> potentially, i'm not a lawyer and i'm not a judge, potentially that could be consider

hutchinson testified that as she prepared for her first interview with investigators earlier this year, passantino, the less you remember the better. keep your answers short, sweet, and simple. and, i do not want to perjury yourself, but i don't recall isn't perjury. they do not know what you can and can't recall. so, given all of that enormous pressure, this 26-year-old woman who is part of the trump administration, what did she do? she did something very, very few others did. she did what was right. as nbc news put it earlier today, quote, cassidy hutchinson knew she was going to be nuked for turning on trump. she did it anyway. a reminder of her courage and her bravery in the face of threats, pressure, and attacks from the right. the former junior white house aide, a girl from new jersey, showed absolute and true patriotism. for a party that claims to be the one of patriots, cassidy hutchinson is the real deal. and on that note, we will allow miss cassidy hutchinson to take us off the air tonight. i wish you all a very good and very safe night, thank you for joining us with this breaking news c

hutchinson testified that as she prepared for her first interview with investigators earlier this year, passantinod her, quote, the less you remember the better. keep your answers short, sweet, and simple. and, i do not want to perjury yourself, but i don't recall isn't perjury. they do not know what you can and can't recall. so, given all of that enormous pressure, this 26-year-old woman who is part of the trump administration, what did she do? she did something very, very few others did. she did what was right. as nbc news put it earlier today, quote, cassidy hutchinson knew she was going to be nuked for turning on trump. she did it anyway. a reminder of her courage and her bravery in the face of threats, pressure, and attacks from the right. the former junior white house aide, a girl from new jersey, showed absolute and true patriotism. for a party that claims to be the one of patriots, cassidy hutchinson is the real deal. and on that note, we will allow miss cassidy hutchinson to take us off the air tonight. i wish you all a very good and very safe night, thank you for joining us with this bre

she had one attorney, passantino, and feld pained to be forth coming to the committee.ennie thompson and in turn to the other members and say we've got to have this young woman on in a stand alone hearing right away. >> and they didn't -- because of security concerns for cassidy hutchinson, they didn't tell other members what was happening until basically the 11th hour. is that right? >> that's exactly right. they literally were told, the members were, that, hey, we are about to have a -- we are going to have a special hearing. we need you all in washington in the next couple of days. when you do arrive, you are to report to the secure compartmented intelligence facility, the scif, a secure room to discuss classified information. literally three hours before the hearing was to begin, they were told, the other members were, that cassidy hutchinson had all this bombshell testimony, which they then gave excerpted summaries of to the committee and the committee could then see noerm selves that indeed what she had to say was explosive. it still was not thoroughly agreed upon

depositions that were recently released, this was a work in progress she had one attorney, a gu stephan passantinovery, very at pains t be forthcoming to th committee. and it was really only over period of time as she develops both a increasing discomfort with her own legal team, and a increasing comfort with cheney that she switched lawyers an then, really began to tell i all. and that was in a particular deposition it immediately compelled chene to talk to chairman bennie thompson, and then turn to the other members and, say we have to have this young woman on in a stand-alone hearing righ away >> and because of security concerns for cassidy hutchinson, they didn't tell other members what was happening until basically, the 11th hour with that right? >> this is exactly right they literally were told, th members were that, hey, we'r gonna have a special hearing we need you all in washingto in the next couple of days when you do arrive you are t report to the security compartment intelligence facility, the scif, secure roo where they could just discus classified information and it was only then lit