is and facing charges, with me now nypd inspector paul mauro.a machete might require more than menacing. >> the irony, is thick, she was part of the protests in the george floyd aftermath. she was arrested, the charges were dismissed, she sues for supposedly being the victim of police brutality. and also suppress of her first amendment rights, violence. sound familiar. that is what we have seen in this course of conduct of hers, but welcome to new york, what happens, highest change on her is a misdemeanor and like everyone else in new york she is now walking out there with a machete, what could go wrong? this is one of those things you say to yourself, something is broken. aside from fact she is in a classroom, and you know, you have to say, what is the atmosphere like in that classroom, what if you don't agree with her point of view, how is it, this is just a misdemeanor? kennedy: lo let me ask you, you have seen a lot. let's pretend that was a catholic college, she was a conservative professor, and she went to a pro choice table and did the sa

. >> dana: retired inspector paul mauro has reaction. let's go to laura engel at the precinct in new york. >> good morning. daniel penny arrived on time at nypd 's precinct an hour ago. the former marine surrendered to police with his attorneys to face criminal charges that could bring him years of prison if convicted. he did not answer any questions as he walked in, though we tried. the manhattan district attorney's office making the announcement that penny would be arrested on a charge of manslaughter in the second degree and taken to the courthouse by law enforcement where he will be arraigned this afternoon. that cell phone video showing penny restraining neely in a choke hold on a subway led to calls for penny arrest after the medical examiner ruled it a homicide. witnesses said neely known for impersonating michael jackson was well-known to homeless outreach workers and police and according to the "new york post" had been arrested and charged multiple times before. witnesses on board the train last week said neely was yelling and t

joining us now former nienypd paul mauro. >> the first one could just be that in relation to dana smithersase, the grand jury wants to confirm the alleged ally that bryan kohberger supposedly has that washes him out of that case so completely, they could ask the parents to give them anecdotal information that guess to that. the second possibility is more intriguing. that is monroe county, grand jury is empowered to looks into crimes within that jurisdiction. crimes they are looking into that potentially involve bryan kohberger's parents are they potentially related to something that occurred in idaho? could be something unrelated to idaho, could be something that parents are mixed up in we don't know that. also could be something to goes to the idaho case and most intriguing aspect of this. is that the judge in the pennsylvania case has allowed a sharing order, that means that information from the grand jury in pennsylvania, normally to be kept secret is allowed to be shared with the court out in idaho. that argues that someone thinks that there could be something relevant to idaho case in

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can we start with what paul mauro said. all the racial arsonists are topping off their gas cans at this point. >> exactly. that is what is so terrible about this story. there is a human tragedy at the heart of it that we shouldn't forget. and we weren't there and don't know exactly what happened. we've seen pictures and video. it will emerge. we can't make a judgment about all the context. what we can see is what the left is doing right now to use this to exploit it for their own political partisan advantage to push their extremism and that is totally reckless and irresponsible. we heard a comment there the argument this wasn't authorized to use force to that extent. it seems to a lot of people the ones who are these days authorized to use whatever force they want are the criminals. that's what has happened in our big cities run by these far left democrats. i have to say eric adams seems to be striking the right tone in his remarks and that's all good. let's remember what the real story is here. he was elected on the promis

paul mauro, former nypd inspector was with us and listen to what he said. >> the system in the city cavedcal pressure. alvin bragg is the face of this point. he did not act alone. he turned himself into the five precinct, did mr. penny. the police department is making the arrest. we didn't go to grand jury. it was a rush to action for lack of a better term. the police department doesn't take this action unilaterally. absolutely no way. >> dana: there is more to come on that. there was pressure, perhaps, that alvin bragg the d.a. you see right there and the mayor of new york, eric adams, who were perhaps feeling pressure from the protests which were scant and had died down. they decided to take this action before convening a grand jury. foe the clock is on. >> mayor eric adams, he was a transit cop. that means in new york city you are a police officer for the transit system. you are working in the subways. he said yesterday there was a lot of jordan neely's in new york right now and we've seen it since covid. a lot of homeless who live on the streets and some of them, they may need more th

lawrence jones, and jonnas and p paul mauro.nspector, i want to ask you, culturally this could change america. what does this do to america. >> very clearly this case has struck a cord. national news, it just happened here in new york, the dichotomy, all people who are most ernest in westonnizing t -- weaponizing this case, people calling for his head, the quad other people, the same people who have been backing defund movement and created that vacuum that d daniel penny stepped into, remember, we have seen it, when you pullback citizens step up, unfortunately we'll get more daniel pennies going forward. judge jeanine: jonna. >> this case will have a ripple affect beyond penny will it will affect the rest of us, what we feel comfortable with, it is important we know we have a right of self-defense, and equally important -- of others, and important that we exercise that in a time like this. where we don't have the police to do the job, that we taxpayers had hoped they would be able to do. and it also has to speak to the mentally

paul mauro. all right, paul, i'm rusty. why call his parents to the grand jury?another explanation? >> so, you know, this gets very legalistics but the way i see it is two possibilities. this is all coming, we have the caveat off a grand jury leak, single source so we don't really know everything going on, but first possibility i see is that they may be trying to validate the supposed alibi of his. this could be based on digital evidence, stuff that sun sets, not all this ding sal stuff hangs around forever, phone pings do terminate they get washed out. there's that. they may going to the parents to get some anecdotal evidence to validate where he was. the other possibility is they see some sort of commonality between the way ms. smithers died and something in idaho. and you really have to say on yourself, is there something there? because according to the reporting, the only thing that kohberger has anything to do with this is the fact that he was living 30 miles away from where ms. smithers' body was found. that's pretty thin. yet a grand jury and his parents i

joining us now retired inspector paul mauro. one of the things from the witnesses, call for number one that we're starting to hear more of is that they said the rhetoric from neely was very frightening. very harsh. people that travel the subway see and hear everything. this was different. frightening people were gravitating towards the exit doors and we couldn't get out because we were between stations. if this goes to the grand jury today, as perhaps our reporting shows, how much do these witness statements play into that? >> i mean, undeniably they are going to. what we're seeing is the battle for the public relations narrative. i feel that likely what happened here is daniel penny's lawyers made the decision that they have to counter the narrative that so many of the people in the public media and in the -- from the progressive sphere want to put in place that it was some sort of a vigilante white supremacist activity by him as if he went out that day to do it. there is no indication of that or from his past or no facts to su

turn it over to paul mauro attorney and former nypd inspector. legally if you are a good samaritan.e wasn't a vigilante he didn't go after this guy. if you are trying to restrain someone who many believe he was putting their lives or safety at risk is he going to face charges. >> a lot of context here. if he does face charges it's not going to be intentional murder charge something based on his being reckless or negligent. either way those are charges you don't want to face because they are homicide charges a side step from murder. let's remember the context. we have had a rash of stuff in the subways where we have had people also mentally ill pushing women in front of trains, doing all kinds of stuff. and you heard some of the verbiage from mr. neely from that witness who says things like "i'm done." "i don't care if i die." this is going bad plays into the defense for this marine. something called justification. it's pretty simple. it's pretty much what it sounds like. i had to take the actions that i did, however, risky to mitigate a commensurate risk. in other words, what i did

. >> dana: paul mauro said the subway has become a rolling psychiatric ward.t and a lot of people have to take the subway. if the grand jury decides to prosecute somebody, will fewer people ride the subway or get involved if there is aggression? >> that's the big concern, i do think. i commute every day on the subway both ways. most people who have the choice don't have to don't. the ones who ride them really need to take it. i think it will continue for those who have to be there. people were opt out of this. i'm very concerned about the fact that people won't step in in a situation that has gotten out of control. we'll wait to see if charges are brought. it could be negligent homicide. they acknowledge the fact that daniel penny didn't intend to kill mr. neely but what ended up happening there as a result of all of this. but it is concerning and it is good to see at least for this moment eric adams being right out front on this issue talking about everyone involved is a citizen of the city. that has been a real -- the conversations we've been having that cer

paul mauro, retired nypd inspector. good morning. you wrote two things need to happen. need to file a criminal complaint that happened. you suggest the two students need to sue. that has not happened. where is this case now? >> the irony is rich. she was arrested in the wake of the george floyd death for protest activity in the bronx. those cases were subsequently dismissed. she alleges in a lawsuit that she filed subsequent to that, violence against her and suppression of her first amendment rights. sound familiar? that's exactly what it looks like she engaged in here, okay? the two students that you are referring to who were exercising their first amendment rights had to deal with miss rodriguez confronting them in the school, a city-owned school and going at them shuffling their papers and yelling at them. clearly stuff designed to suppress their own first amendment rights. we've all seen the videos. the question now becomes what is she charged with? it is the same jurisdiction, the bronx, that dropped the prior charges against her. i would like to see what that look

paul mauro? do you think he suffered a beating in the jail >> i'm skeptical.e originally claimed he was going to identify the location of natalee holloway's remains. he extorted -- he tried to extort $250,000 out of her mother. he got about $25,000 before revealing later that he didn't know where she was. in fact, the house he said she was buried under wasn't even there at the time of the murders. so he has pulled every ploy he can to game the system. right now he is doing 28 years in peru for a second homicide. they never got him on the natalee holloway case. apparently the investigation in aruba was a bit slipshod. he is being extradited from peru and tried on the ex portion and fraud charges here. this is all alabama can get him on. they'll use it. no matter what the result is down in alabama, he then goes back to peru, do another 15 years. we can't get him in prison no matter what the result for another 15 years. hopefully he gets convicted in alabama and doesn't see the light of day to hurt another young woman. >> bill: nancy grace was talking about the p

bring in lawrence jones host of cross-country and nypd inspector paul mauro. explain before the full investigation is finished that the coroner could say it was a homicide? >> in the context of the medical examiner calling something a homicide is not saying that's a charge. he is charged with homicide. it is more a term of art within the medical examiner's lexicon. it means essentially that the death did not occur from actions of the victim. that somebody else caused it. that is really all it means in this context. >> aishah: we were talking a couple weeks ago about adam clots spoke up for an elderly man on the subway and gets beat up. look what happened to this marine. at what point are people not going to want to step in anymore? >> it's the exact opposite. dana, you may remember i was sitting on this program with you and bill and i said i've been feeling it. i've been seeing people. people are so fed up you will get vigilante justice and people start to fight back. when the system fails and you can't protect people, look, i know the pundit class is saying w

i want to bring back in retired nypd inspector, paul mauro for an update. we understand, paul, as of about 20 minutes ago now, the shelter in place order for the neighborhood has been lifted. does that indicate based on your prior experience that the suspect is no longer anywhere near the crime scene or does this indicate something else to you like maybe they are close to an apprehension? >> i would go with the former. we don't know what is going on off site. for them to take that step, the police have taken two macrolevel steps here. they have lifted the shelter in place and they have also offered a reward, right? the reward comes out very early in this caper. so it tells us a couple things. to lift the order, they must really feel secure that they have a good idea of where he is. you certainly don't want to lift that order. people start going about their normal business and he reemerges. nobody is making that decision. everybody is proceeding cautiously. the fact that they would issue the $10,000 reward. for a municipality, $10,000 is a drop in the bucket

. >> dana: paul mauro writes how the post should file a criminal complaint.ithout that, it can't go forward. and that the student should consider suing her because the union is backing her up. she has been relieved of duties from hunter college the way it works she could show up at a different place within the city college system. >> bill: maybe that happens and they take up the recommendation. it shows intolerance at that school and that was -- >> dana: the pro-life guy had his brochures up there. she could have walked by and decided not to say anything. >> bill: you heard on "the five" last night he stayed calm. >> dana: as we are calm. lots of news ahead. watch this. >> they call it faith. in the face of darkness you can see the brighter future, a faith that our best days lay ahead of us. >> dana: the guessing game is finally over after months of speculation florida governor ron desantis is set to launch his presidential bid tonight during a talk with twitter ceo elon musk. mark meredith has a preview from miami. lots of buzz this morning. >> a lot of buzz

. >> brian: here is paul mauro inspector and attorney. >> if he does face charges it won't be murderll be something reckless or negligent. either way those are charges you don't want to face because they are homicide charges. they are a side step from murder. let's remember the context. we have had a rash of stuff in the subways where we had people also mentally ill, pushing women in front of trains, doing all kinds of stuff. you heard some of the verbiage from mr. neely, from that witness who says things like i'm done. i don't care if i die, et cetera. those are signals to people who are trapped in that car. this is going really bad. and that plays into what the defense would be for this marine. his deference is going to be something called justification. and it's pretty simple. it's pretty much what it sounds like. i had to take the actions that i did, however risky, to mitigate a commensurate risk. in other words, what i did was justified because of the risk that this guy posed. >> brian: right. if he wasn't black, and the marine wasn't white, this wouldn't even be an issue. no on