it's an anti-psychotic. haloperidol. cogentin or benztropine.prozac, lorazepam for anxiety. >> kroft: they often leave him listless or groggy, which is one of the reasons people with severe mental illness often stop taking them. a lot of people with your illness say the drugs make them feel worse. they just hate it. >> robertson: yeah. i can see that with the side effects. but it's better than having schizophrenic symptoms. >> kroft: what worries you the most? >> doran: the future and the future without myself being here. because i am mike's caregiver. i am his advocate. and so if i am not here, who will be? >> kroft: it is a serious concern and a sobering thought, because it's estimated that half of the seven million people in the country with schizophrenia and other forms of severe mental illness are not being treated at all. >> duanne luckow: this is day ten now of my fast. so i'm feeling really, really good. >> kroft: duanne luckow is one of them. he has spent the past three years on and off the street and in and out of jails and mental inst

. >> he was absolutely psychotic. >> he really believed this could help you? >> yes, absolutely.new that it was something that was allowing him to survive another day. >> dr. arturo lezano vincent is ann's psychiatrist. >> i thought that they must have been both psychotic. >> and in that case they feed off each other's manic moments? >> yeah. >> shared craziness. >> shared craziness, yeah. >> i know that there is definitely something to the concept of the two of us having gone mad together. >> ann was also physically deteriorating. she says at times she was too weak to walk. during this time, ann flew to the u.s. on a trip for their gems business. she says they'd been buying and stockpiling precious stones as an investment. while she was gone, ann received a startling e-mail from an angry and despondent john. he wrote, i wish i were [ bleep ] dead. i deserve to [ bleep ] die. i feel so utterly ill that there aren't even words. i haven't felt this bad in years. >> i could read in the intensity of his words and in the conversation we had over the phone that he had passed over a cer

. >> on the cbs-3 health watch tonight a mysterious brain illness that triggers psychotic and violentehavior. it is rare and it is often misdiagnosed. one desperate family grabbed video cam are to document what was happening in their home. tonight three on your side health reporter stephanie stahl has their story. >> reporter: this is one of the unexplained psychotic episodes seven cereal paul michael nelson started to experience in 2009. >> in the night, he was tearing up the flooring. he took a knife to the office door. >> his family started recording the outbursts because some doctors didn't believe them. >> he was flopping around on his needs barking like dog. report roar over five years paul mikail was hospitalized, 50 times and even occasionally removed from his home by employees. no one would figure out what was wrong. >> all of a sudden our kid goes from -- he's an angel in the christmas play looking cute as could be to what you just saw. >> reporter: blood test fina finally diagnosed pans pediatric -- it's marked by sudden outbursts. the cause is unusual. >> we diss covered h

in the past year alone san francisco jails served almost 800 inmates diagnosed with psychotic bipolar or major depressive conditions. we also regularly have 750 people conserved because their disease has progressed to that of a grave disability, which means that they are unable to utilize means available to them to provide for basic necessities such as food, clothing or shelter. symptoms may include severe mental health diagnosis and/or a history of drug abuse, unstable housing, underemployment, limited family connections and as i just mentioned engagement with the criminal justice system. through this process, several recommendations came out. the mayor immediately supported expansion of the community investment placement project, which is an expansion of the conservatorship program that mandates medicine compliance. he supported creating a psychiatric res center at san francisco general hospital, and we also supported adding personalized assistance to the transitional aged yuegtd to families and also smart case managers. through this process we also supported looking at laura's law,

i have had psychotic episodes. i have experienced the mental health care system and the effects of it. thank you for having me. how old are you? host: aream 44 years old, i ony there others in your family who have had mental illness? at your level? caller: yes. and what led your diagnosis? i woke upe day thinking i was osama bin laden, and that the fbi and cia were after me. iran outside half naked, when i woke up, i was laid out in the middle of the street, surrounded by cops. ever since then, my life has .een turned upside down during host: do the question? caller: i have a comment. i see a people's input on the mentally ill, the issue for me and a lot of us is the stigma that society continues to place on us. lunaticst all deranged , plotting shooting sprees. what a tragedy happens, it is lamed on a person with mental illness. this is the core, we are continually being perceived as being out of touch with reality. are everydayou, we people dealing with a lot of emotional challenges. it is how we management -- is

one of the world's most appalling anti semites replied that's a question for a psychiatry to most psychotic behavior mainstream media have received perhaps the toughest white house assignment to date to convince the public there are no neo nazis in ukraine it comes as the country's fascist no go quote door to door in eastern ukraine if anyone is in they are beaten all short the holocaust memorial museum reports right off the coming to power to stop agents went from door to door they arrested those who had spoken out against the nazi party some woman also stephen leatherman brut together leading experts in new book flashpoints in ukraine so explains some of the horrors taking place in the country dr lemon joins us great to speak to you how does the actual situation become rabbis hearing. something very serious breaks out the idea of room if you should use it one of the rare i shared. we're seventy one in one community he said we have seventy buses if you will and ready to go the neo nazis which is where they are in ukraine today literally descendants. of the ses of the early here one of the

would result in a crime. >> psychotic means a break with reality.nscience. >> at one point, i had no conscience. >> this was a very successful sexual predator whose violence was such that there was little, if any, regard for the victim. >> during his confession, detective si -- zitzelberger gets a glimpse of the demons inside rhodes's head. >> almost every night, he said he would go walking. for some reason, he would start to get mad. he would just be thinking, start feeling mad and sometimes he would get a headache. and this headache would come on him and he knew he was going to do something bad. >> is there any doubt in my mind that had i not been caught, there would have been more victims? absolutely not. there would have been more victims. i know. obviously, after four assaults, that i was going to continue to assault until i was caught. >> detective zitzelberger thinks rhodes' wife knows more about her husband's crimes than she's let on. but there's no evidence that she's connected to the crimes in any way, and no charges are ever filed. >> i j

in 1888, the dutch artist had a psychotic breakdown and inexplicably severed his own ear. now a german museum has a replica of the ear using cells actually grown from van go's great, great nephew. >> that's right. it's that exciting time in every century when german museums begin displaying human body parts. folks, and this one really disgusts me. there's your european style socialized medicine. van gogh has to wait 126 years to get his ears fixed. [cheering and applause] now, according to the "eartist," diemut strebe, the still-alive still life was created by using cells from the great, great grandson of vincent's brother theo to grow the ear and a 3-d printer to shape it. and if you think paper jam is tough, try clearing out an ear jam. nation, this is the most successful use of bioengineering in art since pablo picasso created that five-boobed lady so he could paint her. it could very well usher in a whole new movement. think about it. using this same technology, we might finally be able to see what this guy's face looked like before it was mangled in a horrible apple-p

and the reality is that most people that fit the criteria as laid out in laura's law suffer from psychoticisorders that require strict and regular use of medication and i don't know that voluntary treatment is really -- involuntary treatment is the answer. but the reality is this: that as much as those of us who have fought against this law over the years have tried to keep it from coming forward, i do believe that laura's law is going to be the reality. it's going to pass in san francisco and the question is whether or not it's going to pass through an ordinance at the board of supervisors or whether or not it's going to pass through a ballot measure. i think that something as sensitive and as complicated as this would be better addressed through an ordinance because i think when you have an ordinance passed through the board of supervisors it's a lot less complicated to tweak that ordinance and to make modifications. so even though my preference would not be to proceed is along these lines, i do believe that we have a responsibility to make sure that the outcome, which i think ultimately

psychotic thinking very disorganized and i think very unreliable terms of what they say. really is kind of very harsh very cruel to try and keep people awake the doctor is responsible for keeping the detainee a lot of the checks that the blood pressure and heart rate are not dangerously high and measures the blood oxygen level with this pulse oximeter. after prolonged exposure to cold water he may check the body temperature in case of hypothermia. when there are more than fifteen applications of the water born in a twenty four hour period yes to do careful medical assessments so after the later applications in the rare cases when a prisoner is difficult to resuscitate the doctor has to perform an emergency tracheotomy. physicians for human rights believes that the safety officer fallacy. takes physicians from being healers to being calibrators of harm they serve as a sort of gasoline on the fire because interrogators think that they can go harder because there's a health professional there that they can push the detainees closer to the edge because there's a safety net th

. >> i'm not a psychotic in any means. maybe a sociopath. would admit that 100%. >> during our interviews he would joke, he would laugh in reference to his victims and really showed no sense of feeling sorry or remorseful for what he had done. i think probably the only thing he was sorry for was that he got caught. >> he also confessed during a telephone interview with reporter libby doucett. >> it was an experience i'll never forget. that's for sure. he came off like talking about a football game. >> i told them -- i never told them about the intent to kill. you see, the perfect murder has no bodies, no evidence. that got all fouled up because michelle told a co-worker where she was going. so that's why i left the bodies. otherwise, they'd be down that mine shaft with that other guy down there, stockton. >> you know, just laughing and joking and talking about, you know, when i said did you plan to kill them? oh, yeah. oh, yeah, i planned to kill them but i wasn't going to let them know that. >> i just told them i was after the money and i w

. >> we had depp ittied responding with the seen with information we have smblg acting in a psychotic manner with a life. >> reporter: it's unclear whether the veteran had mental illness issues but the department says he was faced with a life threatening situation within 20 seconds of arriving to the scene. >> this was honestly an individual coming toward our deputy with a knife. in that instance, he should be allowed to protect himself. otherwise, we may be doing interviews about a deputy not going home to his kids. >> we want justice, to know what happened basically. >> reporter: tonight the officer has been identified by the department as men true, a nine year veteran. the family plans to hold a press conference at our lady of pillar church in half moon bay. >>> the mental health of the san francisco fugitive could play an important role in his legal kprens dprens. ryan chamberlain was caught after an intense man hunt. a judge today agreed that chamberlain should undergo a mental health evaluation. he's charged with having bomb making materials in his apartment. he has yet to enter

i have had psychotic episodes.ave experienced the mental health care system and the effects of it. thank you for having me. how old are you? host: aream 44 years old, i ony there others in your family who have had mental illness? at your level? caller: yes. and what led your diagnosis? i woke upe day thinking i was osama bin laden, and that the fbi and cia were after me. iran outside half naked, when i woke up, i was laid out in the middle of the street, surrounded by cops. ever since then, my life has .een turned upside down during host: do the question? caller: i have a comment. i see a people's input on the mentally ill, the issue for me and a lot of us is the stigma that society continues to place on us. lunaticst all deranged , plotting shooting sprees. what a tragedy happens, it is lamed on a person with mental illness. this is the core, we are continually being perceived as being out of touch with reality. are everydayou, we people dealing with a lot of emotional challenges. it is how we management -- is how

by psychotic, i mean hearing voices that aren't there, or seeing things that aren't there. >> reporter: it is not clear when bergdahl himself will be questioned. afghan witnesses tell cnn that when he disappeared, bergdahl was abducted and beaten. some of his fellow soldiers say he may have been trying to contaco contact the taliban. >> i heard it as he heard it over the radio, and at that point, it was, like, this is kind of snowballing out of control a little bit. there is a lot more to this story than just a soldier walking away. >> reporter: another question, were any u.s. troops killed while searching for bergdahl? some soldiers say yes, six troops were killed. the pentagon says there is no evidence of that. the answer to another question is also not known. just how long the investigation will take. let's talk more about how this army investigation will proceed and what bowe bergdahl may be going through right now. joining us, cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr. the general is expected to begin work on this case this week, two-star general with the army. what might he focus

> we have deputies responding to the scene with the information that we have someone acting in a psychotic manner, armed with a knife, won't put it down, even for her own family. >> hundreds say garcia did not deserve to die. >> i've known her since she was small. we used to play together. she was always happy, smiling. >> friends say the sheriffs department has questions to answer. >> all we ask is justice be done. i don't find it fair for that to happen. it could have been other methods, instead of shooting her. what are taser guns for? >> some questions will be answered. the sheriff's department and district attorney's office are investigating this officer-shoved shooting. that deputy is on paid administrative leave while the investigations are ongoing. tonight, the family says it hired an attorney. reporting live if half moon bay, jean elle, nbc bay area news. >> jean, thank you. >>> is it a preview for things to come on the new bay bridge? a seismic expansion joint on a bridge cracked after less than ten years of use. that joint is similar to the dozen joint used on the new span of th

and she had a psychotic episode at this mental health facility down in southern california, and the emergency dispatch called this place from the clinic to the local station where two officers were dispatched. and this is an agency that does not have a formal crisis intervention training program or any sort of training program that deploy deputies that are specifically trained to approach a situation with known or with individuals who have known mental conditions. and within eight minutes of the caulk placed my sister was shot dead and this was within eleven seconds of four deputies entering the known mental health facility and within eleven seconds two tasers were deployed and two bullets were fired. and so, i want you to know, that despite this, in my immediate circle, and you know, i am grateful to you commissioner loftus and to you commissioner for inviting me to share this story with the entire submission tonight that the lesson that you are learning here is that this is just a first step. and i am one of too many stories. and that this work will hopefully contribute to the greater likel

and she had a psychotic episode at this mental health facility down in southern california, and the emergency dispatch called this place from the clinic to the local station where two officers were dispatched. and this is an agency that does not have a formal crisis intervention training program or any sort of training program that deploy deputies that are specifically trained to approach a situation with known or with individuals who have known mental conditions. and within eight minutes of the caulk placed my sister was shot dead and this was within eleven seconds of four deputies entering the known mental health facility and within eleven seconds two tasers were deployed and two bullets were fired. and so, i want

. >> you want to make sure he knows what is going on, that he is oriented and alert and not psychotican hearing voices that aren't there or seeing things that aren't there. >> it's not clear when he will be questioned. afghan witnesses tell cnn when he disappeared he was abducted and beaten. some fellow soldiers say he may have been trying to contact the taliban. >> i heard it from the inter prt tore's lips. there is a lot more to this story than just a soldier walking away. >> another question, where any u.s. troops killed? some say yes. six troops were killed. the pent gone said interest is no evidence of that. the answer to another question is also not known. just how long the investigation will take. and that was cnn reporting. >> coming up next sat late tv snafu even technicians couldn't face. >> michael finney steps to to get the job done. female announcer: female announcer: when you see this truck, it means another neighbor is going to sleep better tonight because they went to sleep train's ticket to tempur-pedic event. choose from a huge selection of tempur-pedic models, inclu

. >> you want to make sure he knows what is going on, that he is oriented and alert and not psychoticmean hearing voices that aren't there or seeing things that aren't there. >> it's not clear when he will be questioned. afghan witnesses tell cnn when he disappeared he was abducted and beaten. some fellow soldiers say he may have been trying to contact the taliban. >> i heard it from the inter prt tore's lips. there is a lot more to this story than just a soldier walking away. >> another question, where any u.s. troops killed? some say yes. six troops were killed. the pent gone said interest is no evidence of that. the answer to another question is also not known. just how long the investigation will take. and that was cnn reporting. >> coming up next sat late tv snafu even technicians couldn't face. >> michael finney steps to to get the job done. tands you got to make every dollar count these days. that's why they have lots of ou to save. real big club card deals, the safeway app and gas rewards. this week, sweet and juicy prima peaches are just $.99 a pound. tender rancher's reserve

the first time around here's your chance to relive the good old days of our biggest problem was a psychoticootball player that got away with murder so while the corporate media continues to read traumatize nicole simpson and ron goldman's families what incredibly important story is being missed on a huge victory for polluters the supreme court voted seven two in favor of a company called c.t.s. it's allegedly responsible for the mass release of toxic chemicals in the city of asheville north carolina c.t.s. shut down its electronics plant in nashville back in one thousand nine hundred seven but according to north carolina state statute a company is no longer liable for its actions ten years after its initial contamination the problem is that the toxic release of c.t.s. is chemicals were discovered until one thousand nine hundred nine two years after that ten year window expired today and several residents living near the site suffer from everything from disorders to brain tumors and just this year thirteen people living near the contaminated area were urged to evacuate by the e.p.a. after it

have the good old days when our biggest problem was a psychotic football player that got away with murderso while the corporate media continues to read traumatize nicole simpson and ron goldman's families what incredibly important story is being missed on a huge victory for polluters the supreme court voted seven two in favor of a company called c.t.s. it's allegedly responsible for the mass release of toxic chemicals in the city of asheville north carolina c c.t.'s shut down its electronics plant in nashville back in one thousand nine hundred seven but according to north carolina state statute a company is no longer liable for its actions ten years after its initial contamination the problem is that the toxic release of c.t.'s is chemicals were discovered until one thousand nine hundred nine two years after that ten year window expired today and several residents living near the site suffered from everything from thyroid disorders to brain tumors and just this year thirteen people living near the contaminated area were urged to evacuate by the e.p.a. after it found unsafe levels of the c

first time around here's your chance to relive the good old days when our biggest problem was a psychoticootball player that got away with murder so while the corporate media continues to read traumatize nicole simpson and ron goldman's families what incredibly important story is being missed on a huge victory for polluters the supreme court voted seven two in favor of a company called c.t.s. it's allegedly responsible for the mass release of toxic chemicals in the city of asheville north carolina c.t.s. shut down its electronics plant in nashville back in one thousand nine hundred seven but according to north carolina state statute a company is no longer liable for its actions ten years after its initial contamination the problem is that the toxic release of c.t.'s is chemicals were discovered until one thousand nine hundred ninety two years after that ten year window expired today and several residents living near the site suffer from everything from thyroid disorders to brain tumors and just this year thirteen people living near the contaminated area were urged to evacuate by the e.p.a

offer all or union leaders to live in support of the idea simply not enough drivers to is driving a psychotic killer course was were back on the job today. the break and go to news accounts but officials in seattle about college campus shooting. nor city of seattle king the actions us that it is in staff. aside those things that the five pacific university. as the here information here i hope you keep that in mind and realize the the the store is not about evil act but about people who actually live for this scenario and a stage mother of things were tragic. as we go through here they give you a short outline a from the events for today and from that the and short question and answer session so please hold all questions to the and so it gets here to of its partners and they include steal third apartment federal bureau of investigation local tobacco farms together with the fleas officers responded to the middle of a great response team to a tragic event. so to initiate the overview on never got captain chris dollar captain of the west precinct and planned for this event. today approximately 15

that he is oriented and alert and not psychotic.ices that aren't there. >> reporter: it's not clear when bergdahl will be questioned. afghan witnesses tell cnn that when he disappeared he was abducted and beaten. some of his fellow soldiers say me may have been trying to contact the taliban. >> i heard it straight from the interpreters lips. at that point it was like this is snowballing out of control a little bit. there's a lot more to this story than just a soldier walking away. >> reporter: at question, were any u.s. troops killed while searching for him. some soldiers say yes. six troops were killed. the pentagon says there's no evidence of that. >> this just in. the u.s. military announced that major general kenneth dal will lead that investigation. thanks so much for watching. wolf starts right now. >>> i'm wolf blitzer reporting from washington. we want to welcome our visitors from the u.s. and around the world. the fighting in iraq threatens to explode into an all out civil war. the u.s. taking steps to protect several thous

lot of thinking within psychiatry that for those who are irrational to the degree that they are psychotic, that there is something going on with them physiologically that resembles this. everybody in this room has denial of something. the question is, at what point are we talking about the physiology of a psychological complex as opposed to an actual physiology of illness? it may be specific to the diagnosis. some folks who have chronic mental illness who are young men deny illnesses such as schizophrenia because they have been exposed to too much stigma, saying they have no hope. we can promote public health that encourages people that if you get treatment early and will appropriate, that you have avenues of accomplishment open new to you and that will have an impact on denial. the answer is both. >> thank you. i am going to see if other -- if members staff who have questions. clarifying questions on the hearing or anything like that. i know some of us have to run to the floor. if the press has questions you want to ask of the panel, you can stick around, if that is ok. >> i'm from laszl

mindy's case, few people argue whether she should have been removed from the hospital when she had a psychotic episode. the question is, is that enough to terminate a person's rights permanently, when there's real indications when she's capable of parenting, parenting another kid. nobody is going oargue that if a parent is posing a real risk to their kid that, that that child should remain at home. and that's what child welfare departments are there to do. these cases move forward, once a person has a diagnosis and their case is in the system, this moves forward and they aren't able to get their kids back even when they're recovered. >> research shows one of eight kids suffer are abuse or neglect by the time they're 18. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me on. >>> he might save our oceans from mass pollution. first, an 11-year-old is getting set to battle for a u.s. open should juvenile killers serve life without parole? >> the didn't even ask for the money they just shot him. >> horrendous crimes committed by kids. >> i think that at sixteen it's a little too early to write him off

it's a little psychotic right now the news business because everybody is doing everything. that still doesn't mean there are not important events. there's information coming all of the time. this is a vibrant era of media. it's not going away any time soon. >> bob let me start with you. matt drudge clearly one of the most popular websites on the planet. liberals must be shaking in their boots when they see their name. >> you can't deny what this guy that's done. he was the first one out. he's done enormous following. he set the tone for everybody else to come along. i don't begrudge drudge. >> i like it. >> i don't begrudge drudge. i think his point about sensing something will happen, i have that feeling about it as well and he points to the border and i think he may be right about that. this may be a much bigger issue by the summer is over. >> when you're in the white house -- >> i like that story. tell the story. >> when you're in the press office or anywhere within the white house even if you don't like it you have to go to the drudge report, if there's a siren and your

either with an anti-psychotic or hypnotic drug. you can tell. it's easy.is speech was slurred, he was having trouble reading, he had been drugged. >> the senator emphasized that his observations he's making these as a physician. he also told cnn that bergdahl cleared a health check when he arrived in germany, but his psychological condition understandably may not be stable. >> when he left his post in afghanistan in 2009 and fell into the hands of the taliban, it wasn't the first time he wandered off from an assigned area. a classified military report completed two months after he vanished says it happened twice before. he came back poet time -- both times. stops short of calling him a deserter. the sergeant is still recovering at a hospital in germany. that's where we find matthew chance this morning. matthew, what new are we learning about his condition both now and also in the months leading up to his release? >> reporter: we're not hearing much about what happened to him in the months leading up to his release except to say part of the treatment he's b

and what would his 137 page so called "manifesto" reveal about the private agony of a psychotic mind? its title, "my twisted world." >> this is the story of how i, elliot rodger, came to be. it is a story of a war against cruel injustice. this tragedy did not have to happen, but humanity forced my hand. >> reporter: elliot rodger was born in london and was brought to america at the age of five. his malaysian-born mother, li chin, was a unit nurse on the movie "indiana jones and the last crusade." his father directed television commercials and worked on the hit film "hunger games." in the beginning, elliot had a seemingly normal childhood. >> he was adorable. and he would laugh so much that sometimes we were worried he would choke. it was really wondrous, those first four, five years of his life. it was wondrous. >> you loved elliot. >> i loved elliot. >> elliot loved you. >> i -- yeah. >> reporter: but at the age of 7, elliot's parents got divorced. one year later, his father had remarried. this time to moroccan born soumaya akaaboune, an actress who appeared in the hollywood blockbus

they're psychotic almost in their desire to kill. and unfortunately, that killing spree is recruiting a whole lot of people. even from europe, even from north america. this situation cannot be overstated. and it's far worse really as a security threat to us than it was under saddam. but i do think that the shia forces are going to be able to defend baghdad. understand that there's only 3,000 to 5,000 of these isis troops. they're vicious, they're intimidating, but we've got far more troops. and we spent $14 billion in training and equipping them. >> congressman, hold on there. i want you to stay a bit longer. david corn who's been following this, you know, the irony is the united states senate and other people in the congress voted to declare the iranian revolutionary guard to be a terrorist organization. now potentially we're on their same side because they're in there defending the baghdad government, their fellow shia. this is so weird. >> you have people like john boehner and lindsey graham and john mccain saying we should do som

. >> i fell in june of '93, psychotic delusion, out on a fishing boat. i attributed it to working too much, too long, too hard. and basically tweaked out and killed a couple guys. i've been fishing out of dutch harbor for about 4 1/2 years. and never thought about murder, never contemplated killing somebody. but a guy walked by me one time and just -- i thought that he was going to kill me and i killed him and another guy first. >> how? >> with a knife, fishing knife. just a six-inch fishing knife in the chest did it fine. >> were you hearing voices? what was going on? >> no, it's kind of a story line. i just -- i believed they were going to kill me. and a moment passed that when i thought they were going to do it now. and i was either going to be killed by them or kill them first. and i decided to kill them first. i didn't say nothing to them or talk about it to them. i just did it, you know, and threw them into the bay. >> blevins almost got away with the double murder. he told state troopers looking for the missing men that they had quit their jobs an

. >> for me the strongest evidence, on the question of her -- the families claim was she must be psychotic, she must be mentally ill. she has properties she is not using and she has balls. -- dolls. these were beautiful french balls, 14, $20,000 at a throw. the best evidence i think of her as the conversation she had with paul, a tape recordin recorded f those are in the audio version of the book. there's a hardcover book and an electronic book but there's also an audio book you can download. a lot of the conversations are in the bulk and you can hear huguette describing how we had tickets on the titanic, yes, the return trip in 1912. our father had shown us the estate rooms would be in, as she matter-of-factly put it we had to take another vote. [laughter] and she knew name of that other boat, the george washington. when paula didn't bring to mind the name of a to where she did in 1915, she knew that name. the jury would have heard those, and it seems to me pretty strong evidence at least at that period well into her 90s she was quite lucid. >> interesting, because as i recall in the book