doesn't seem like raffensperger sees it that way. we do know of course you have to remember the infamous phone call that donald trump made january 2nd, 2021, which i would have to say is a little bit more direct asking raffensperger to find 11,000 plus more votes. >> and recorded. carrie kor dora, the u.s. intelligence xhirt tee is in talks with the u.s. justice department about possible missing sensitive documents. how great potentially are the national security risks in all of this? >> it depend on what exactly the documents were but based on the return on the search warrant from the execution of the search at mar-a-lago we know there's highly classified documents that have been returned to the government under that search so if they're class classified top secret they could be damaged. first the intelligence community wants to know what's the security provisions? is there any risk that the documents have been communicated in some way whether verbally outside of trusted individuals. at mar-a-lago outside of secure ways to secure th

my boss, secretary raffensperger, his address is out there. they have people doing caravans by their house, people have come on to their property. it has to stop. this is elections, this is the backbone of democracy and all of you who have not said a word are complicit in this. >> the point is this, donald trump did not care about the threats of violence. he did not condemn them, he made no effort to stop them. he went forward with his fake allegations anyway. one more point, i would urge all of those watching today to focus on the evidence the committee will present. do not be distracted by politics, this is serious. we cannot let america become a nation of conspiracy theories and the violence. finally, i want to thank our witnesses today for all of your service to our country. today, all of america will hear about the selfless actions of these men and women who acted honorably to uphold the law, protect our freedom, and preserve our constitution. today, mister chairman, we will all see an example of what truly makes america great. thank you,

two phone calls that lindsey graham made to raffensperger.one of that is something that is protected by the speech and debate clause. and frankly, as somebody who is a public servant, he has an extra duty, and should want to give his testimony. if there is nothing to hide, and he did nothing wrong, i mean, i know this sounds naive but he really supposed to be going into the grand jury, just like any of us would have to. >> i want to switch gears, if i could, andrew, because we do have so many parallel investigations happening at the moment. i want to talk about mar-a-lago. trump's intent, or at least they say their intent on releasing these surveillance tapes of the fbi search. and there's a lot of concern that could actually, in turn, endangered the fbi agents who could be identified in those states. what can be done at this stage to protect their identity? how much of a threat, do you think the release of the surveillance tapes is to them and their well-being, in this very pitched political moment? >> well, you know, unfortunately, we have

it sure looked like he was wanting to go down that road, raffensperger said.know, due diligence. he's been trying to get out of testifying about that call for months now. today, a federal judge in georgia ruled that senator graham couldn't do that. he was subpoenaed, and he asked to testify. a date is now set. lindsey graham is supposed to testify next tuesday. , tonight we got the news that graham has asked for an even higher federal court for a stay in his case, basically delaying again. senator lindsey graham really doesn't want to talk about his due diligence. and know this case is being overshadowed in the news by all of trump's other legal insanity, but things in georgia are getting very interesting. joining us now is andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel and former senior member of some special counsel robert mueller's investigative team. he's a professor at and why you law. andrew, thank you for being with us on this friday night. >> nice to be here, alex. >> so, does lindsey graham stand a chance here? or is this just running out the clock as l

brad raffensperger has all the president told others that he felt pressured by that phone call.t's not a phone call that seems to be made in the exploration of lindsey graham's legislative options as a member of congress voting to certify the election. almost two months before january 61 congressman to certify the vote. yet again, the steps that he took during that call were as an advocate for donald trump and his capacity as a candidate. not as the president and certainly not in some underground capacity as a sitting senator. >> let me ask you about something. senator graham's team put this line out and reading into the wall street journal. here's the quote. senator graham will suffer irreparable harm if forced to appear before his appeal concludes. if you're telling the truth, how do you suffer irreparable harm? are they concerned illegally? are they concerned politically. how do you interpret that? >> i understand that argument legally that senator graham's team is making. and it's essentially what we call you can't un-ring the bell. in other words, of senator graham is force

in raffensperger's view, that was -- to toss out votes in a free and fair election. quote -- we're going to ask joyce matt vance about all this in just a minute. here's the broader context when it comes to these various investigations into trump's attacks on democracy. a clear majority of americans want investigations like the one in georgia to move forward despite whatever resistance there may be from trump allies. a new nbc news poll out just today claims 57% of voters saying investigations into trump should continue. joining me now to discuss senior legal affairs reporter for politico, child cheney msnbc contributor, joy's -- former u.s. attorney and professor at the university of alabama school of law. and vera -- investigative correspondent for time. joyce, you have the da telling the court that stalling graham's testimony would quote delay the revelation of an entire category of relevant witnesses and push by the timeline of the investigation. your thoughts. >> graham is a fact witness -- the da's not in a target of the investigation and she needs to get his te

. >> south carolina's live milligram spoke with raffensperger in the wake of the election today. federal judge denied his request and subpoenas for him to go for the fulton county grandeur. buying a successful appear, he will appear. to refresh memory, here's raffensperger recalled about his senator. >> ask that the ballots could be matched back to the voters. and i got the sense that implied that then you could throw those out. looking at the counties with the highest frequent signatures. so that is the impression that i got. just an implication that, look hard and see how many ballots you can throw. >> lawyers for senator graham argue that his calls to georgia officials were directly related to his responsibilities as that then chairman of the senate judiciary committee. there is also more today. we learned that the federal grand jury looking to join the six has subpoenaed former white house attorney eric herschmann. he is the one that told the former presidents election lawyer john eastman to quote, get a great criminal defence lawyer, you are going to need it. also today, new

raffensperger. >> isn't that audio, itself, the best evidence in this case?is already there? how much more do they need? >> one would think so. in terms of trying to make sure, and with all of it across, at the da's office, they just want to make sure that whatever evidence is out there, whatever additional evidence is out there, actually shows, not just the intent of trying to make this happen, but trying to bring this to fruition, is laid out, and making claim for the grand jury to make a decision. sure, the audio is convincing, and it is a nice touch, and with everything that they want to have, but even if they go further, if you look at his words, his deeds, and his actions, and was donald trump and his associates, you can see that it was necessary to not only get an indictment, but is important that you have enough, in a case like this, to secure a conviction as well. >> charles, i want to make a hard pivot to another story. i want to make sure we got into it tonight, because i think it is important. it is a video. nbc news obtained, and obtained it yest

which raffensperger so -- interpreted as -- some very legally cast votes.wyer say he was well within his rights to discuss election processes with raffensperger and that he made those calls in his then role as chair of the senate judiciary committee. georgia's republican governor himself brian kemp is also trying to a void a subpoena from the fulton county grand jury. he filed a motion last week alleging that the probe was being pursued for quote improper political purposes he asked the court to kill a subpoena that was requiring contest -- him to this violent of this month. but governor kemp is not in the same boat as giuliani in graham. kemp actually suffer the mobocracy in this instance and fended off pressure from trump to overturn the election results. the da willis even inscribed camp as a mere witness who acted honorably. it's not clear why he's fighting -- he probably does want to be on trump's bedside. something else being investigated in fulton county grand sure er the efforts by the trump campaign to create a fake list of electors to cast fraudul

they're not just looking at the call that trump made to raffensperger. they're not just looking at the call that graham made to raffensperger, they're looking at fake lek torss. in the case of rudy giuliani, his involvement in all the other stuff but also his involvement in attempting to influence the georgia legislature and making false statements to the georgia legislature about the existing -- the existence of fraud. and you know, you can't make, you know, you can say whatever you want on tv, but if you make false statements to the government and government officials like the legislators, that's potentially a crime. >> if they were to indict giuliani, does that mean there's a higher chance that something would happen to the former president? >> yeah, of course, because everything, you know, this is part -- they're looking at this as a broad, overarching conspiracy, a multipronged conspiracy involving attempts to improperly influence the secretary of state, attempts to inproperly influence the legislature and lie to the legislature, and create these fa

there is a grand jury investigating, what we heard, donald trump asking former -- brad raffensperger to find 11,000 votes. that did not exist. this is related to other investigations and it's unclear of what they found related to the presidential record could be shared, but there are many gears turning right now. they are centered on donald trump and his inner circle. frankly, the fault lies with donald trump. not with the public servants who are effectuating their duties at this moment. we all have to stop at red light . we all need to be careful will meet -- when we cross the straits. -- cross the streets. and those are all roles that we just follow and if you don't there will be pushback, people want to know what happened. >> thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> c-span's washington journal, every day we are taking your calls alive on the air on the news of the day and we will -- alive on the air and we will discuss the news of the day and issues that impact to. we will discuss climate change with energy director. and then a new round of you -- and then we will discuss a new r

but we know there was a call between graham and raffensperger, the secretary of state of georgia.n't know whether -- i don't remember whether that was recorded but there are people with very specific recollections of what graham was asking. their recollection is like the trump call, he was asking them to find votes to overturn what was the will of the georgian voters. so i don't know that we'll find another audio tape of that, but you have witnesses who were parties to that call telling them what they heard. >> and then there's the ongoing doj investigation of classified documents at former president trump's home in florida. a document unsealed on thursday provided new details about the focus of the investigation, including the willful retention of national defense information. how critical is that in your view? >> well, i think it's a very serious charge. if the thought is that the former president knowingly kept national security documents with him, documents that had to be retained in the highest classification facilities, if he knowingly did that or was negligent, grossly negl

his lawyers tried to argue a phone call he made to georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger afteron was covered by the constitution's speech and debate clause. how significant is it to compel a sitting senator to testify, and what do you think comes from that? >> it really is an incredible ruling by judge lee martin may. i've got it here. it's a 22-page order that she handed down. she didn't just reject all of lindsey graham's legal arguments. she just sort of destroyed them. he tried to claim that when he called brad raffensperger, the georgia secretary of state, and urged him -- this is what raffensperger said -- urged him to toss out lawfully passed ballots, that he was involved in protected speech and debate, he was on a legislative fact-finding mission. the judge disbatched that argument in pretty short order. now lindsey graham will have a decision to make, one we know he'll appeal and fight it tooth and nail. he will land before the georgia grand jury and he'll have to decide whether to plead the fifth or testify. >> any prediction on that one? >> his lawyer will advise him

that call now exists in the context of the now infamous call that trump made to raffensperger. >> all i want to do is this, i just want to find 11,780 votes. >> kaitlan collins begins our coverage tonight at the white house. and i mentioned the news you broke at the top of the show. you've been working on this, and you found out there are deep concerns at the biden white house about the documents found at mar-a-lago. what more are your sources telling you? >> reporter: the white house is not saying basically anything about this investigation, certainly not publicly, erin, but we are told that internally there is a pretty high level of concern about what exactly documents were taken to mar-a-lago, and potentially what could be at risk by the fact that they were taken there, not in a secured facility as the way that the federal government defines that and certainly not the way the intelligence community defines that as, and so as more information has emerged as we have now seen what exactly was taken from mar-a-lago, we don't know specifically what the documents were. you saw that inven

specifically that his phone calls with georgia secretary of state, brad raffensperger, are protected immunity. >> i think that is something that we are waiting to see how the judge will rule. i bet there is a good case to be made that calls to a state official would be outside the bounds of what the senator was doing with his committee and his work in bc, particularly in the way that secretary of state raffensperger has described the call. i think we're all waiting to see what the judge does in this case. but certainly, if the da gets the opportunity, i'm sure she will ask the senator what his view of that one particular call was. what he was trying to achieve. remember, the special grand jury is already heard from raffensperger on his views and how he felt pressure as a result. >> rudy giuliani has been instructed to appear before the special grand jury on wednesday despite his lawyers claims of his poor health. you are calling it the brookings institution. you told the new york times that when it comes to georgia, giuliani may be the single most responsible person after trump. do y

2020 race wants to question graham about the calls he made to georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger after the election. this new ruling could now delay that not for weeks but for months according to some experts. joining me now is nbc justice reporter ryan reilly. ryan, welcome and tell us what have you heard about this reversal and now could this truly be pushback past the midterms? >> there is the potential for that but essentially what the appeal circuit was -- couldn't have them take another look at it. more narrow pathway available here. essentially, what senator graham's argued is that he's protected by a -- privilege as a member of congress and he's acting that capacity. this was in his home state. this was more in the realm of political -- rather than his job as a senator. this was as part of the campaign, party trump's campaign team. i think it'll get kicked back in the -- we're not quite sure exactly how this will play out over the coming months and what it means for when graham can testify, corey. >> you are following several investigations as we are to following them acr

, and governor brian kemp and by the way, neither of these guys are secret liberals raffensperger has voter suppression efforts in the state, and kemp is such a rock-ribbed conservative, he once aired this actual television ad. >> i'm brian kemp. i'm so conservative. [ explosion i blow up government spending. my chainsaw is ready to rip up some regulation. i got a big truck, just in case i need to round up criminal illegals and take them home myself [ audience ohs ] yeah, i just said that >> seth: cool. he's got the same slogan as a [ bleep ] standup comic and thinks he's being edgy by telling jokes about how millennials are pampered "oh, yeah, how about instead of whining about student loans, you stop spending $12 on avocado toast? yeah i just said that." [ light laughter ] also, where'd you guys go for that kick-ass explosion? steven seagal's house of discount special effects [ laughter ] i maybe -- i maybe - [ laughter ] sorry. i forgot i have to do steven seagal's voice. we're going to edit this out we're gonna go to full frame, and it's gonna come right out like i knew what was c

my question is to you is, what are you gonna do that is different specifically from raffensperger.retary of state that we were dependent on his integrity to fix when he was in office in 2020? >> well there is certainly a lot of room to grow as what the secretary of state should be doing, about the current secretary of state is doing right now. it goes to show you that the republican party is gone so far to the right that went and officer has taken an oath to swear allegiance to our constitution and our country simply follows the law, we are met with reaction that that is the bar that should be met, but in fact we deserve much better. i wanted to be a very specific example. something that is happening here in georgia right now. our public service commission is elected by a mechanism called at large voting by specific district voting. and there was a lawsuit that was led by a voting roots group including the naacp and a trump appointed judge just we world that the current method that we have in place for public servants commissioners, the people who set the rates for our utilities a

ad raffensperger after the election joining me to discuss is congressional reporter, luke broadwater. what do you make for this investigation in georgia? >> i will slow down the questioning some with regards to lindsey graham but it will probably not ultimately prevent him from having to testify as these appeals go up the chain. other witnesses have attempted to block the subpoenas from testifying. by and large -- graham has been told that he is a witness and not a target. the da is interested in the calls that he made to raffensperger that the sticker terry of state says that graham tried to influence him to throw out legitimate votes. graham denies that. he says he was just checking on the election integrity and that ultimately he voted to certify the election. but he is known on capitol hill as one of the people who was closest to donald trump. if this investigation is making its way up to trump, lindsey graham would be someone with direct knowledge and conversations of what donald trump was doing at what he was asking of lindsey graham. >> i want to also turn to the investigation

who previously said during those phone calls, graham hinted that ralphe raffensperger should throw outrdless the d.a. wants to question graham about those calls and even the overall effort by trump to overturn the election results. this latest decision by the 11th circuit, it at least delays graham's testimony and may also limit what he can testify to, but in all likelihood here he probably will still have to testify but he could appeal to the supreme court and this could delay this overall especially given the grand jury is supposed to wrap up by may 2023. we will see how it plays out but maybe graham's goal is to delay which he right now is achieving. >> the justice department is facing a deadline this terse to send a federal judge proposed redactions for the doj search of donald trump's mar-a-lago home. the judge is spelling out his reasoning of releasing of that affiliated and how he feels about that. we have the latest for this. what did the judge say in this new filing? >> reporter: what the judge is saying basically how he is going to balance this need for transparency for the p

on one of the calls he spoke director to secretary of state brad raffensperger, and he says he was onon, but raffensperger had a much different take saying there was an implication to toss out ballots. graham continues those allegations and he's trying to get out of appearing in fulton county next week. if everything goes as planned, he'll appear on tuesday. but a federal judge still has to make a ruling on whether or not he can get a stay on that subpoena. >> nick valencia in atlanta, thank you. >>> congress is trying to crack down on the violent and extreme rhetoric on the fbi after they were forced to go to donald trump's home in florida to retrieve a trove of classified and top secret documents. the house oversight committee is going after not just the trolls online but the tech companies whose platforms they're using. >> the committee sent letters to eight firms, including meta, tiktok, donald trump's truth social. they want specific information by september 2nd. here's what they want. they want the platform's response when users threaten law enforcement and their plan on keeping

senator graham will be asked about a phone call that he made to read raffensperger.enter appeared to suggest certain mail in ballots could be discarded. the russian invasion of ukraine is basically at a standstill. the question now is whether

i mean, let's remind our viewers what he said to secretary of state brad raffensperger.e it is. >> so look, all i want to do is this, i just want to find 11, 000, 780 votes which is one more than we have. because we won the state. we kind of just said it right there, i don't understand why the big deal. why do you need all the secret investigation. i, mean there's a lot of discussion about fani willis possibly using rico statutes to prosecute organized crime cases. explain why and how that would work. >> well, the why would work is because you do have a tape. if you listen to that tape trump becomes more and more worked up as he goes along. and it's pretty obvious that he is pushing brad raffensperger to come up with these votes. he is threatening him to come up with these votes. he is appealing to the fact that their fellow republicans. but, in any kind of taped, case which is always the better case than just having witnesses, they are always some ambiguity duties for the defence lawyer can pull out of. there they are putting this together in the context of all of the o

georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger, a republican, has accused graham of implying that raffensperger should try to throw away ballots. also today, a new report in "the washington post" says that a team of computer experts working with trump's team copied sensitive data from georgia's election systems and that lawyers allied with trump asked a forensic data firm to access election systems in at least three battleground states. this afternoon, we also learned a federal justice department grand jury has subpoenaed trump white house lawyer eric hirschmann, probably best known for telling the january 6th committee about his conversation with john eastman, that eastman of course was the lawyer who came up with that crackpot unconstitutional scheme to steal the electoral votes in the house. here's what he says he told him. >> i said to him, are you out of your f'ing mind? i said, i only want to hear two words coming out of your mouth from now on. orderly transition. eventually, he said orderly transition. i said, good, john. now i'm going to give you the best free legal advice you're ever g

raffensperger told reporters after the calls lindsey graham hinted he should throw away ballots from areas where biden likely got more votes. >> he asked the ballots be matched back to the voters and implied could throw those out. look at the counties with the highest frequent signatures. justin implication that look hard and see how many ballots you can throw up. amy: south carolina republican graham has promised to appeal the order compelling him to testify, or green -- arguing he is under the speech or debate clause. the justice department has asked a federal judge not to unseal a sworn affidavit used by the fbi toecover 1sets of cret govement docents fro ump'home in orida. the fidavit s the bas of an appcation tt convind a dge to sn off on the warrant used by federal agents in eir sear of tru's maa-lago sidence augus8. in federalourt filg, osecutorsaid theffidavit containsighly clsified materi and sentive infoation about witnesses and that its release would compromise the continuing investigation. voters in alaska and wyoming head to the polls today for primary elections. in wyom

i mean let's remind our viewers what he said to secretary state russ -- brad raffensperger. >> so, lookll i want to do is this i just want to find 11,780 votes. which is one more that we have. because we won the state. >> i mean, he kind of just said it right there, i don't know what's the big deal is and why you need all the secret investigation. he said. it i mean there's a lot to discuss about him possibly using rico statute to prosecute organized crime cases. explain how and why that would work. >> well the way the riot would work is because you do have a tape. if you listen to that tape trump becomes more and more worked up as he goes along. and it's pretty obvious that he is pushing brad raffensperger to come up with these votes, he's threatening him to come up with these votes. he's appealing to the fact that their fellow republicans. but, in any kind of tape case, which is always a better case than just having witnesses there is always some ambiguity these to the defense or can pull out of their. what they are doing in georgia is putting this together in the context of all of th

you had that attempt to influence raffensperger. you had the fake electors and then you had giuliani and others giving false information to the georgia government in the form of the state legislature and that's making false statements to the government. i'm sure there is a georgia law against that making false statements to the legislators about votes being counted multiple times as we saw in the clip. >> george conway, thank you. >> thank you. >> pleasure. >>> why is the former president having so much trouble finding seasoned lawyers to represent him? i should be asking you that. [ laughter ] we'll talk to a man who turned down the job. that's next. it's time for the biggest sale of the year, on the sleep number 360 smart bed. why choose proven quality sleep from sleep number? because proven quality sleep is vital to ouour health and wellness, only the sleep number 360 smarart bed keeps you cool, thn senses and effortlessly adjuststs for your best sleep. and tells you exactly how well you slept. your r sleepiq scor. our smart slee

brad raffensperger who showed courage in 2020 standing up to, trump might have.uld've been promoted, run for senate. it would've been the toughest democrats to be because he could've gotten, votes but donald trump is a man baby and he just wants people who are gonna suck up to him. so those are the candidates that he picked and those have cost republicans in quality across the board. >> let's be clear, david mccormack, very clearly sucked up to trump, but still it didn't work. when eatonton, thank you both for joining us. i appreciate it. coming, up presidential historian and dear friend on the show, michael beschloss is here to discuss and already eventful week a very significant headlines. when the 11th hour continues. continues if she overdraws by $50 or less. and, kyle, well, he's keeping calm with another day to adjust his balance if he overdraws by more than $50. overdraft assist from chase. make more of what's yours. (vo) give your business an advantage right now, with nationwide 5g from t-mobile for business. overdraft assist from chase. unlock new insigh

i think the conversation that the professor just referred to with raffensperger is highly probative.elector efforts particularly in arizona and in georgia are highly problematic. i think the pressure on pence is highly problematic and the entire back and forth between jeffrey clark and, you know, the -- and the request that trump made of acting attorney general rosen and his deputy. >> yeah. so the question is, of course, both of you laying this out, i want to emphasize to everybody in the ven diagram what you agree on. lawyers can have very differing views. merrick garland is going to make the decision, the attorney general, on whether we do this. you've known him for many, many years. he understands what a crucial decision this is. right? it's a legal decision. it will impact the whole country. will he do it, professor tribe? >> before i guess whether he will do it, it's very notable ty cobb and i agree on so much. he was trump's defense lawyer. it's also notable there are serious crimes even without the fact that donald trump sat there while the mob that he knew to be armed was ai

and one of those calls, if you remember, was directly with secretary of state brad raffensperger, and it was his interpretation of the call that graham asked him to throw out legal ballots. graham and his attorneys have denied those allegations, cal calling them ridiculous. they're trying to keep him from appearing before the special purpose grand jury. he's the latest republican, ally of president trump, trying to get out of being questioned by the render in fulton county -- the district attorney in fulton county. next, more legal wrangling. graham's team has until august 31st, wednesday, to respond, at which point a judge will have to rule whether or not a full quashal or fpartial is in order. >> thanks for the update. let me bring in a former u.s. attorney for the western district of virginia and also cnn counter terrorism analyst phil mudd. thanks both very much for being with me. i guess let's begin because this news just came in about lindsey graham. and john, i would ask you, i mean, it's interesting because elliott williams was saying last hour to us the speech and debate clau

like brad raffensperger who showed courage in 2020 standing up to, trump might have.ood have been promoted, ran for the senate. -- but donald trump is a man baby and he just wants people who are gonna suck up to him. and so those are the candidates that he picked and those have cost republicans in quality across the board. >> let's be clear, david mccormack, very clearly sucked up to trump, but it still didn't work. -- juanita tolliver and tim miller, thank you for joining us. -- we michael beschloss he's here to discuss an already eventful week we, when the 11th hour continues. continues. >> as we mentioned i cover all covered all day long here, ex trump organization cfo allen weisselberg has pleaded guilty to tax fraud. this is only one of several stunning developments involving the former president this week. back with us tonight to discuss, celebrated author and presidential historian, michael beschloss. his latest, work in a bookshelf full of brilliant works, is presidents of war. michael, welcome. >> thank, you love -- stephanie. >> so much to put in perspective

georgia officials are saying that's complete nonsense because raffensperger said in that call grahamme absentee ballots in such a way that might help the trump candidacy. didn't really have a legislative purpose. it had strictly a political purpose. and so far georgia officials have ruled in favor of him having to testify, saying this looks to be a political purpose, not a legislative purpose. >> the fulton county da's office saying delaying his testimony could result in quote, material injury to the grand jury and its investigation. in the grand scheme of things, how do you see graham fitting into their case? >> well, this is -- i think graham is an important part of their case because the entire trump defense, which is being articulated by giuliani and the trump campaign, is essentially that any calls that were made to georgia were not calls attempting to illegally overturn the election. but were simply examining what had gone on and asking them to be careful that the votes had been counted carefully. so, graham here though is trying to go up into the appellate courts, the federal

>> keep in both raffensperger and graham are republicans.lencia, thanks so much. >>> staying in the state of georgia, governor brian kemp is asking a judge to throw out a subpoena requiring him to appear before the grand jury. earlier i spoke with georgia's republican lieutenant governor jeff duncan. >> lieutenant governor, thanks for joining us this morning. >> absolutely. >> now, folks at home might know you testified before the grand jury after limiting the scope of the questions to keep it away in effect from legislative business and i wonder should kemp testify under similar circumstances in your view? >> well, there's executive privilege, there's legislative privilege and just trying to understand the parameters and guardrails around it and i appreciate judge mcburney clarifying that as he did for my testimony, which i'm certainly not going to talk about here, but it was helpful in clarifying the guardrails around that testimony and i did my public service, testified in front of the grand jury and ready to move on. >> big picture you v

raffensperger was reelected, kevin was reelected again.pening in arizona something very different. this is republican party, former favorite son john mccain is impostor. and that is a sign of a real problem. that's a sign of a real sickness. the real telling thing about that too, they're, staff is that it's in battleground states. that is not the total number, right? those are the people, these battleground state gop's, where you need to win over the reasonable opposition. you need to win over the purple you. base in such a state that has huge implications not just for 2022, but for elections. wet kari and others are saying, an election is not a fraud in less i. when >> john, i'm very interested to hear you say this. because, as you know, you have often told me is not as dire as i think it. is that you've come around? >> no, i'm still a determined optimist because i don't see a point being anything else. >> it's evidence, john. it's evidence. back when we used to have these theoretical discussions, you are like don't worry, they haven't wo

take a listen to how brad raffensperger characterize that had phone call in an interview with cnn fromhat year. >> he asked if the ballots could be matched back to the voters and i got the sense it implied that then you could throw those out. really would look at the counties with the highest frequent error of signatures. so that's the impression that i got. just an implication that look hard and see how many ballots you could throw out. >> reporter: if a federal judge ultimately denies graham's stay to appear here in fulton county, he will have to appear next tuesday here. it will be, you know, the sight to see here, brianna. it's been very interesting to follow this case. >> it certainly has been, nick, and you've been very much in the middle of these developments. nick valencia live for us from atlanta. thank you. >>> as indictments, investigations and subpoenas continue to stack up against former president trump and his allies, two former trump officials are speaking out and warning the gop that it is time to truly put america first before it's too late. joining me no you is former

but pointing to a phone call that he made to brad raffensperger asking him to find enough votes to overturnden's win here in the state of georgia. overnight former president trump weighed in on that calling it a perfect phone call once again. but all of this is widening the possibility of exposure for the former president and any of his associates to criminal exposure. now all of this comes as we're seeing the investigation itself widen here in georgia. and in fact, this morning georgia's governor brian kemp is fighting a subpoena of his own calling it politically motivated this close to november. back to you. >> blayne alexander reporting from atlanta. for more on this, let's bring in tamar hallerman. it is good to see you. we'll get back to giuliani but let's start where blayne ended with governor kemp fighting a subpoena. he's supposed to testify today. what does that look like? is this grand jury going to hear from him? >> not today. the judge overseeing the grand jury proceedings gave the governor an excusal, he's excused for the day as this gets fought in court. we're expecting a resp

in georgia, he tried to get secretary of state brad raffensperger to overturn 2020 election., some of the gop want to move on from the make about this. i will speak with the political director of a group of republican spending big bucks to try to dump trump and restore the gop credibility. plus, young mothers across the country forced to make horrible choices, as more states criminalize abortion procedures. but there are glimmers of hopes at least on defense, like in michigan, where a judge just blocked a 91-year-old ban on abortions. this is american voices. we begin this hour with donald trump's war on the justice department and how he is leveraging a criminal investigation to grow his support with the gop base. four presidents -- spent the day bragging on social media about how the fbi search at mar-a-lago is solidifying his hold on the republican party, as he eyes a 2024 run for president. new reporting from nbc news, according to a source close to trump, he is inclined to launch his candidacy after the november elections, in part to avoid blame, should an early announcem

it was much more textured than that, you had that attempt to influence raffensperger, you had the fake electors, and then you head giuliani and others giving false information to the georgia government. and the form of the state legislature. that's making false statements of the government. i'm not sure the georgia law against that, making false statements to legislators about votes being counted multiple times like we saw on that clip. >> george conway, thank you. it's a pleasure. so, why is the former president having so much trouble finding seasoned lawyers to represent him? i should be asking you that. because you are an attorney. we're gonna talk to a man who turned down the job, that's next. trelegy for copd. [coughing] ♪ birds flyin' high, you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ breeze driftin' on by... ♪ if you've been playing down your copd,... ♪ it's a new dawn, it's a new day,... ♪ ...it's time to make a stand. start a new day with trelegy. ♪...and i'm feelin' good. ♪ no once-daily copd medicine... has the power to treat copd in as many ways as trelegy. with three medicines in one inhaler,

a single script raffensperger's march into the capitol became for. with president trump ad libbing that he would be joining the protesters at the capitol. added throughout his speech or references to fighting and do the need for people to have courage and be strong. the word peacefully was in the staff written script and used only once. here are some of these ad libbed changes that the president made to his speech. >> because he'll never take back our country with weakness, you have to show strength and you have to be strong. so, i hope mike has the courage to do it he has to do. and i hope he does not listen to the rhinos and the stupid people that he's listening to. we fight like how and, if you don't fight like, you're not going to have a country anymore. we're going to try to give all republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don't need any of our help, we're going to try to give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. so, let's walk down pennsylvania avenue -- >> white house counsel pat cipollone an

because lindsey graham made a phone call to raffensperger the secretary of state just like donald trump did, were the in cahoots? was there coordination? is this part of a larger scheme? she's known for her racketeering cases so this could be part of that, but lindsey graham has no excuse. he should testify, he's not a target of the grand jury. i don't think he will be prosecuted there in georgia, because first off, the call that he made to the secretary of state was not recorded, unlike trump's call. and also because it's a he said he said situation, prosecutors are less likely to pursue it, because he said he said without a recording gives you reasonable doubt, reasonable doubt gets you an acquittal. there is no excuse, he should do the patriotic thing and testify. >> you make a great point about the idea of somebody who makes the law trying to avoid the execution of the law in a courtroom of the law. it's an odd thing when you think about what the functions ought to be, but this is a great law firm. i would hire you all and i hope whenever i have legal issues to hire any of you, but

he called brad raffensperger, he wanted to stop the account in arizona and continue in pennsylvania.what happened on generator six where he wanted mike pence to decertify an american election. he wanted your your votes not to count. refusing to comply with the rules that every president had to comply with. he did not comply. no, i'm not! >> dan: he actually met with them. >> jessica: and then after that james who was the agent involved with this -- >> dana: it was six weeks since the end of june. >> dagen: if it was so urgent -- >> jessica: was there a subpoena ignored by the burisma? >> dagen: they had conversations after the subpoena you don't know if they complied or not. >> greg: this week has been so much fun with this story because no one's getting hurt and it's about paperwork! >> jessica: actually the fbi agents in cincinnati -- >> dan: the guy was shot dead. >> greg: you know what i meant, jessica, don't throw that. >> jessica: i didn't hear trump condemn it. a little bit smaller. >> greg: don't ever do that to a guy. >> dana: much more to come on the breaking news of this r

raffensperger is on the ballot, he testified during the january six about how he refused to go alongtrump's scheme to overturn the 2020 results. georgia republicans have passed voter suppression laws that will be in effect headed into this election. let's also remember the governor kemp sign that extreme heartbeat bill in georgia and you have stacey abrams talking about her evolution an abortion on the campaign trail. the last time i was home in atlanta earlier this summer, all i heard were radio ads talking about -- and the gun laws that he has championed this echo that are making the state, making atlanta less safe. it's almost labor day, i've also noticed the unofficial kickoff to -- sorry my mind is focused on kickoff weekend. oh this is reminders but how the truth about the big lie comes in public. with -- >> so errin, speaking of owners, i have to play some sound from herschel walker -- and when you get your thoughts on where that race is between herschel walker and warnock. >> they continue to try to fool you, but they're not helping you out. a lot of the money is going to tre

host: d secretary of state, brad raffensperger, is on -- is the secretary of state, brad raffenspergeron the ticket again? caller: yeah, he won the first primary by about 20 points. i think a lot of democrats went and voted for him just as gratitude, you know. host: joe in illinois on the republican line. caller: hi, how are you? host: fine, thanks. caller: my big concern would be school vouchers. . county and all that -- here in cook county and all that, they pay about $20,000 a year to educate kids, and the public schools don't really educate anybody. it is pretty rare to come out of there and be educated without coming out of what they call a magnet school. these unions that are living the life right now, they would be crushed, and that is a good thing. i think my favorite moment with ronald reagan was when he fired all the airport traffic controllers because they were going to shut down the country. that is exactly what these school unions and government unions are. they want to shut you down. there's no competition. there's nowhere to go. host: doug in south dakota on the democrat

people who were involved in the phone calls, parole, to raffensperger, for any pressure on him to find enough votes for donald trump to have won georgia. those are the key people to be trying to speak to it. we know that they have, certainly, done a very active grand jury investigation, and is in getting their subpoenas. it's enforced. so, what this means is that there is not this incipient, putting investigation, to the home stretch. >> not putting into the investigation indeed. andrew weizmann, former fbi counsel, and former senior member of special counsel robert mueller's investigative team, always full of wisdom, and very educated guesses. thank you for your time tonight, andrew. >> nice to be here. >> way down the ballot, in florida's primary elections this week, we're races for school board. these elections, which are typically nonpartisan, home affairs, have turned into heated contest cycles, courtesy of republican governor, ron desantis. he endorsed 30 candidate for school board races, and stumped for some of them. his hand paid candidates pledged to align with desantis on the

country1st.com we have played against madison cawthorn, we've played on behalf of brad raffensperger, played in michigan and some other places. what we are trying to do is to say that democrats are live in a district that you know is going to go republican, one of those it's not competitive. in certain areas, consider taking out a republican ballot and voting against these crazy. i personally am going to be focused on that. and i love calling out the garbage that is being done to abuse people. the abuse of emails that say, seven times match or just give me $10 or donald trump knows you have a given in this quarter. it's all lies, it's abusing people, many of which are seniors and on a fixed income. i am excited to be able to go out and fight that battle. because somebody has got to. people are just being abused and obviously the republicans are becoming a cult. i'm going to pulling people from that cult if i can. >> congressman, adam kinzinger, ready for the fight, member of the january six committee. best of luck with all of your efforts and thank you for your time tonight. >> thank

he's the one who called raffensperger and said i need you to get me these votes. rudy giuliani was working on behalf of trump. what does that mean for the former president? >> well, he very much could find himself being a target as well. but remember, he did make direct statements to the georgia legislature. those are outlined in the new york disciplinary complaint. there's a lot of information about what exactly rudy giuliani said and the falsehood that's came directly from his mouth. so i think the case may be far simpler. if you remember, the president's call, he was surrounded by lawyers and i believe his chief of staff. so it's not that that case can't be made but i think it is a more complicated one. the interesting thing will be what rudy giuliani does if if he is indicted. he has suggested that he has the receipts and he should be treated with kid gloves by donald trump. so it will be interesting to see what he does in reaction to any eventual indictment. >> today is one of those days, with all the moving parts, i wish i had 12 minutes alone with you to go

. >> raffensperger came away from a call believing that the senator was asking him to throw away ballotsn but the d.a. wants to know about that call and what went into organizing that call and wants to know if there were any other conversations between lindsey graham and the trump campaign as it relates to georgia, anderson. >> as for lawmakers embracing the former president, there are some who see him as a liability in the november mid terms. a few won't even say his name. what are you hearing how advisers are advising them to talk about the former president? >> i'm told the head of the gop arm has been privately advising republicans to not talk about trump on the campaign trail and focus on the issues they think are going to be the most salient in the mid term like inflation and crime. it depends on the district. it's not entirely surprising to see republicans start to pivot towards the middle as they look ahead to the general election but it is clear that gop leaders want the mid-term elections want it to be a referendum on joe biden, not on president trump. one gop lawmaker said they

reporter: trump on social media calling his phone conversation asking georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger to find him votes a perfect call. as trump's legal troubles pile up, his grip on the gop only tightening. those who defy him risking revenge. >> liz, you're fired. >> reporter: were trump to announce a presidential run -- >> i'll make a decision in the coming months. >> reporter: -- it's altogether possible he'll run into them again. mike pence says in coming months he'll be talking more about his story from january 6th, marcus. >> we'll be looking forward to hearing what he has to say. susan mcginnis, thank you. >>> the family of an east bay woman now presumed dead is still seeking justice when it comes to the presumed killer's mother. alexis gabe's ex-boyfriend marshall jones died when seattle police tried to arrest him in june. her family members say evidenced points to jones' mother as an accomplice in her death and disposing of her body. they met yesterday with contra costa county prosecutors and say there are still too many balls up in the air. >> also legal issues and a need fo