this is the modern day base of the republican party. the good news is, many republicans are breaking from him. we had just the other day, nine republican leaders in the state join our campaign. there will be many more to come. folks who certainly don't agree with me on every issue, but they know that what mastriano is doing is a threat to our democracy. it's beyond the pale. it's not normal. and it should not be acceptable in our politics today. democrats, republicans, independents here in pennsylvania are stepping up and saying that is simply too far. we don't want the kind of chaos it would bring to our politics here in pennsylvania. so on the one hand, i think it is deeply trouble some that the base of the republican party chose him overwhelmingly to be their nominee. on the other hand, what's been clear since he received the nomination is that just the shear number of republicans and independents who have said that's too much, we're not willing to go that far, we're not willing to accept that, we see the flashing red light out there

but remember something about the republican party, brian kemp has been hit by the president, he won hisry, his primary by 51 points over the trump-endorsed candidate. this is not the whole party, a part of the party. >>> that's all the time we have now. >>> coming up, at least 120 republican nominees on chris' point on the ballot this november have denied the results of the 2020 election, the fallout from that hit maryland hard this week. we'll discuss that with state's governor larry hogan next. that with maryland's governor larry hogan next. i have flinn and a new puppy. as i was writing, i found that i just wasn't as sharp and i new i needed to do something so i started taking prevagen. i realized that i was much more clear and i was remembering the details that i was supposed to. prevagen keeps my brain working right. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. kids, one year they want all dinosaurs stuff the next, camels. - llamas. - llamas. so save money shopping back to school on amazon. you sure that's not a camel? yeah. whatever you say. ♪ ♪ ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ [wh

the republican party is still donald trump's party. are conspiring to allow democrats to do -- to start to do what they hoped to do all the way through november, which is to try to say, no, this is not a race about inflation. this is not a race about joe biden. this is a race about republican extremism. here's the full spectrum of it, and it just happens to be that my opponent, whether it is jd vance or mehmet oz or you name it on a house race, this person represents republican extremism. i think you're starting to see that show up both in polling, but certainly in the fundraising numbers. a lot of democrats are saying, man, the senate, we must maintain control of the united states senate if there is a chance we'll lose the house. you're seeing people like mark kelly and john fetterman and tim ryan get the benefit of that thinking among democrats all over the country and in those states. >> rev, you know, we have been talking, you and i have been talking about democratic extremism and how it hurt the party in some races in 2020 but mai

mike pence and the republican party? >> mary kay, go ahead. >> i agree with the democrats from colorado, i think it was, chris. when i am really upset about is that c-span is giving a voice to the republican party and their former guy in pants. it's really, really making me angry that c-span is amplifying hate, betrayers, and why are you giving them a voice, period. the other topics that are a heck of a lot more important than what the republicans are doing. there are so many things that biden is doing, so many things that kamala harris is doing, and you've never covered those in the washington journal. i am really, really upset at c-span for highlighting then -- having these trumplicans call in and talk about what mike pence should have done them. joe biden won the election, period. stop amplifying what republicans are saying. trump, pence are saying, and doing. thank you, bill. >> to mary k's point we covered both the president and the white house briefing yesterday, as we do almost every day. we cover politics and pol

the republican party.icipated that happening. >> under my predecessor, the great maga king, the agenda increased every year. >> the idea of calling republicans extremists, is that the way to go? >> absolutely. because we have to call it for what it is and they are extreme. when you start talking about overturning roe v. wade, 50 years, and you start attacking women's reproductive freedom, you're attacking voting rights, you're doing all of these things that are so contrary and, by the way, they love to tout they are pro law enforcement and they love law and order, none of them will call out the president and the lawless acts of january 6th and i was in the capitol. it wasn't a tourist visit. it was an insurrection. it was a violent insur embrecti and it was done at the behest of president trump. so i think the more we can call out and show how extreme this party has shifted, i think it works for us. and the good thing about it and i think that's one of president biden's strong points, is that he's telling

what has happened to that tradition in the republican party? >> money and the fact that we stopped voting in primaries in the way that we should, "we" being everybody, but particularly republicans, obviously. when you only have a 10% turnout, and that's what the average has been until recently -- 10% turnout of eligible voters in the primaries, that means you have the most partisan, and they tend to be a little bit on the extremes. and for a republican running in some of these districts, they have to worry. they don't worry about the general election because the way the districts are drawn, they just worry about the primary. and that's becoming even more true now in -- in the states in general elections. and i'm a supporter of ranked-choice voting. i think that's a way to force candidates to talk to everybody. that's where we've lost it is, now we've gotten to the point where the only thing that matters is bringing out your base, and, therefore, you need issues that excite that base. it means you hang on to controversial issues because they're t

that's the smallest group of voters in the republican party. y for other rational republicans like liz cheney, who took it further and takes it on, is that the republican party voters are not really divided. there's not a civil war going on among the voters. there's a civil war and a fracturing going on among the leadership of mitch mcconnell and donald trump. that's not reflected in the voters in how republicans campaign for office, for district office in their primaries. the republican voters are by and large fairly unified in this moment because they have been lied to. because they have been fed conspiracy theories. they are very unified. mike pence is not part of where they are unified in this moment. that's the fundamental problem. until the republicans in leadership like mitch mcconnell, like others, start telling the truth to their voters, which starts with, these other guys could care less about what's going on in your life, could care less about your integrity, could care less about what's happening to you, that's why they keep lying to

so when we talk about the republican party today, like the president says, it's not your father's republicanty. this republican party is extreme, and anybody who tells the truth, who calls out the president, is abandoned and ostracized. >> let's say that president biden had realize that on day. one people have been telling him, this is not your father's republican party. people have been telling him it's not the republican party even when he was in the white house as the vice president of the united states. and now all of a sudden, he realizes that this isn't the party of your father's republican party? that has been happening now for years. and is it all of a sudden instep and has been out of step for the first year of his presidency? >> absolutely not. and i'll tell you, even as extreme as the republican party is, we find ways to work with those people who have the greater good in mind and who will put america first. that is how we passed the infrastructure bill. that's how we are gonna replace lead pipes and crumbling bridges and levees, and protect homes. and we are gonna continue to do

but, is it a wake up call for the republican party? hat you are a real republican, as i like to say. a real one. i would like to play some sound for you from republican congresswoman and january 6th vice chair liz cheney. she was interviewed by abc's john carl this morning. take a listen to. this >> can of the republican party survive, in the way you've known it, if donald trump is the candidate chosen. >> it can't survive if he is our nominee. >> no? >> no. i think that he can't be the party nominee. i don't think the party would survive that. i believe in the party, and i believe in what the party can be, and what the party can stand for. i'm not ready to give that up. those of us who believe in republican principles and ideals have a responsibility to try to lead the party back to what it can be. >> now congressman, do you agree with congressman cheney? my follow-up to that, is if you think republican voters even care what she is talking about? >> simone, sadly, no. look. here is the truth. here is the scary truth this independence d

when i look at the friends i have on the republican party and state legislature when i was in wisconsin, and i think about people i've worked with even an appropriation committee, republicans, and i look at this new approach and attitude that is all about divisiveness that came out of donald trump and now the moderate republican party, it is said to me. because you have to be able to work together. not everyone is right on everything and by having conversation is how we get to having the best public policy. you find out what you have in common, not what you don't. things we learned in fourth grade. it is easy to figure our differences are and hard to figure out what you have in common and build on those things. donald trump really set up a nuclear bomb in the political world when he came here and, unfortunately, people are still, especially in the republican, behaving that way. look at liz cheney. not exactly a progressive or moderates by any stretch of the imagination yet completely ostracized by her own party. or adam kinzinger and others. i share your frustration. i wish things worke

it is the republican party.se or the homes while that might look great on twitter and instagram, it does nothing to actually advance your cause. if you want to get policies passed that fundamentally address the issues you need more democrats in office. you need to hold the republican party account. protest the multi corporations that fund the republican party and fund actions against climate change and taking common sense gun reform. that's the real adversary here. you don't see republicans do this to themselves. i worked the republican party and campaigns and not once have a strategy meeting wondering what if the base protests us? we have to stop giving that advantage to the republican party, stop protecting the idea that democrats are so out of it and everything is ending. only chance to get the reforms we know need to happen is to give joe biden a bigger democrating congress. let's keep the focus. >> certainly senator manchin's vote counts less with more democrats in the congress. kurt, thank you for that. we

our grandparents republican party, which was a much more sane, truly conservative party in the greatse of what that word manse. that is not with this theocratic, anti-freedom, anti-democracy, party is today. and i think it starts with president biden, it starts also with former president obama, it would be nice to see former president bush take this case to the american people so that they understand what is happening. the republican party today is trying to dismantle the rights of americans, whether they be lgbt americans, women, or minorities, on a host of issues, and we allow them to regain power, they will perceive forward with this march to a top or see, as they have been doing with eyes wide open, without any shame whatsoever. >> all right panoply stick with us, we got a lot more to discuss after the break. i will speak to the editor and chief of arab news about president biden's meeting with the crown prince of saudi arabia. that is next. f saud arabia arabia that you're pretty particular ist what goes on it. usually. and in it. mostly. here to meet those high standards is the

you point out that things could get darker if the republican party continues down this path. point of the direction the party is going in? one of the threats for the people who speak out against trump? >> the end point is living together in canada. let's be honest, it is not -- i want you to understand these are not isolated threats. this is against anyone who speaks out against trump. it is the gop base. in my article, quote, you have almost 60% of republican who use january 6th as an act of, quote, defending freedom. january 6th, that terrorist attacked -- it was an act of, quote, patriotism. that should scare everyone. i never called the gop fascist. i thought they would jettison donald trump. he literally has an 80% favor ability rate right now. the republican base is telling you that violence is acceptable to gain and obtain political power. it could get much darker. we have to be aware. we need democrats and the media to be calling this out for what it is. it is un-american, it is dangerous. it is fascist. >> to play devils advocate for a second, i am not saying it is f

there is a pro autocracy movement, which is what the republican party has been come. ratic party. it is the last best hope to save democracy. and that's just how the real world is. and i think we should live in it. >> all right, so when i'm hearing stuart tell me jason is you get where you get, and you don't get upset. there are two parties, that is it. what do you think? >> well, partially. i agree with stewart in this one. i've been saying for most of this year now, there is no republican party it is a dime store front for a terrorist movement. it's hamas to the p l l. so we only have one party that governs. the other issue that i see with this, it's purely [inaudible] , i'm a political science professor. the law, however you want to pronounce it, it basically says in a system like ours, where in a way you have to get 50% plus one of the vote, it does not make sense to have a third party. it is a system that it is like a centrifuge, making you want to be into because it increases your chances. even on a practical level, when we have going on in this country right now

republicans. the radical side won. they took over the party.l of the party. >> just look at the number of establishment republican lawmakers leaving office. election officials quitting. the number of republicans who believe an election was stolen and who don't believe that this -- [ screaming ] -- was carried out by trump supporters. >> i want to know the truth of what happened that day. >> show me the footage. >> yeah. >> yeah, show me the footage. >> i've seen the windows being broken and the people jumping through the windows. >> and who were the people breaking the windows? do we know? >> proud boys. >> do we know that? could they have been antifa? >> we know the names of them, actually. could they have been antifa? >> no, they weren't antifa. we know names of them. >> when the january 6th committee subpoenaed steve bannon to find out just what he knows about that day, he refused to comply and was indicted. for months bannon remained defiant, but on the brink of his trial, typical bannon an about-face, bannon said he would now testify. >> g

republican. in 1944 he ran for president against fdr. he ran on the ticket of the america first party which he had founded. gerald l.k. smith did not get far with that presidential bid or with the michigan senate bid as a republican either. if gerald l.k. smith is remembered for anything today, it's probablyre mostly for this. this is a statue that he erected in arkansas in the 1960s. it's called christ of the ozarks. christ of the ozarks was the subject of a huge -- a suspiciously huge fund-raising operation by gerald l.k. smith. he died in 1976, but that statue still stands 1 in arkansas toda. but gerald l.s. smith is about to have another moment in the public eye because what he really wanted to be remembered for, even more than that statue, was a nationwide movement that he tried to build, a movement that he named and that he led and that he promoted tirelessly and that he wanted to outlive him forever. >> the motive behind the term christian nationalist is easy to define and simple to interpret. we believe that the destiny of america in relationship to its governing authority mus

you know, president nixon couldn't be nominated today by the republican party, because of his health lan, create the epa, you know, that's -- it's as if we are talking about the peloponnesian war to discuss richard nixon's domestic policy related to other republicans. we haven't held these -- have you? >> you know it is a hot, friday night when we are talking the peloponnesian war. and you know what, jon? our audience is lucky because you're staying with us. hopefully, on the other side of the break, we can go even deeper on that, or maybe, another topic. one former prosecutor called out a justice -- i can't believe you brought that up, wildly inappropriate. and what all that means for the supreme court, when the 11th hour continues. ♪ ♪ ♪ i'm jonathan lawson here to tell you about life insurance through the colonial penn program. if you're age 50 to 85, and looking to buy life insurance on a fixed budget, remember the three ps. what are the three ps? the three ps of life insurance on a fixed budget are price, price, and price. a price you can afford, a price that can't increase, and

but neither of them seemed to mean the future of the republican party, but you know, they certainly arethe two that are gonna matter here for the midterms. and they are the two big surrogates of the party at this point. >> and they certainly see themselves as the future of the republican party. i am sure you saw this stunning reporting from axios, that trump has some plans, should he managed to get back into the white house. quote, trump allies are working on plans that would potentially strip layers at the justice department, including the fbi, and reaching international security, intelligence, state department and the pentagon. sources close to the former president saying that. your reaction to that? and is there any historical precedent for any of this? >> everybody needs to read the axios story. i mean, it is stunning what it's asserting. and that is that donald trump really believes in the deep state and wants to flush all these bureaucrats, civil servants, got our u.s. government and have them down to only 50,000 employees. it is not the. and if it say serious reporting, it tells

arizona is a very interesting state, because they're very fire right wing of the republican party is very powerful, and it will be important test case for people like rusty bowers, who is a really conservative guy, to see how they hold out. >> there's a lot to watch this coming tuesday. related to reporting, really quickly, we have some new reporting about -- tied to trump's fake electors game? >> yeah, that's right. but we've learned is that at least three justice department grand jury subpoenas are seeking communications to and from a person named josh findlay. findlay worked on the trump campaign's legal team during the end of the election season, including that crucial window when the electors scheme was unfolding. after biden was inaugurated, he went to the national committee and became the republican parties national director for election integrity. that's his official capital letter title. the subpoenas that are seeking communications to and from him, as i believe is standard, are seeing communications up through present day. which means any of the people

this is what has happened with the republican party. majority or about half the party actually believes some of these extreme views but the people causing the problems are the other half of the party who's going along with this because that's how they think they can win. i look at the carrie lakes and harriet hagermans the real danger in this. >> of course for democrats, the economy is front and center. it was democrat strategist james carville who coined the term it's the economy stupid. july 4th crystallizes this for so many people. with all of the urgency around abortion right now and the astounding evidence of the january 6th committee that they are laying out, does it all truly boil down to the economy in the end? and how can democrats message around that? >> it is unclear. we do know everyone is feeling the pain. we know consumers are feeling the hikes as you mentioned in gas prices and at the grocery store. you're going to see the biden administration hitting hard the understanding of that message, the understanding of that pain a

so yes, i do believe there needs to be a reboot of of the republican party and it starts by getting back to being a party based on our values and that formula for the for the gop has always been simple. it's been opportunity. excuse me. freedom leaves the opportunity opportunity leaves a growth growth leads to progress. and when we talk about those issues. then we can have some success and so yes, i think and and what is it going to take? it's going to take a complete blowout now i can make an argument losing 63 seats in what it was at 2018. should have been a wake-up call. right didn't and and so so but i think as an also an opportunity where the system can be shocked from the outside and because the opportunity of getting new voters into primary is fairly significant. the american dream. what's the still status of the american dream? look i think the american dream is is still bright and it's hopeful and the american dream is different things for different people and the fact that a young kid from north side of san antonio who had a big head size 13 shoe when he was in the fifth grade

i mean, the republican party at this moment and again, the independence i would say just for this moment't matter much to the republican majority you might -- i don't know that you are, but you might be seeing come 2023 that's going to be filled with people from districts and 85% of districts that republicans will represent have donald trump as a very popular figure. just one more point here. to put him to the side, you will need a republican candidate like a desantis or someone of that figure to say, listen, we have to put this guy in our past, and i was talking to a trump adviser the other day wo made this interesting point, if you run against trump and you're a legitimate republican or someone who could capture the trump vote, you say he promised to build the wall. he couldn't do it. he could aren't stay out of trouble. everyone around him has been indicted. everyone around him has been in trouble. this chaos, we don't need this as a country so that will be interesting to watch. >> yeah, and i guess, to your point, no one knows anything about anything is really right. >> before we ope

party in this. i had no idea with the republicans -- i think they become a party that doesn't stand for anything anymoreamental things. it seems like a slam dunk bill that they all supposedly reform, mitch mcconnell promised weeks ago to get this deal done. they're not just drawing the line at things that make no sense and they are spending time on things like gay marriage, and things like ensuring that women don't have the right to access to reproductive freedom, all of these weird things, they stand time, on and then they vote against things like this which actually, supposedly, helps out who they constantly act act -- in my view, there's no logic because today, but it's a party led by a cult personality, and it's based on performance art. and i think that's why they are left with zero principles and zero policy direction. >> veterans, who they say they advocate for, but who clearly they vote against. maria, i want to share with a former gop strategist, stewart, stevens told me earlier this week about the current republican party. >> it is a failure, ultimately, of policy that is after what [inaudible

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and i think certainly there is an instinct for the republican party to cover up. but it's also true that we can see in the pools movements of republicans away from donald trump just today, just before you and i spoke, there was the newport showed, a majority of people regard themselves as republicans now think donald trump was indeed lying in his big lie about the election outcome. that's a big change, isn't it? it's, it's a sufficient change. it may be, it's still only a 55 percent of republican think he's wanting, but that's enough. all that is going to happen here, and let's understand the goal because it's not to be that what i mean. it would be nice if they were remorse, in sense and a commitment to a better way. but if you simply make it impossible for donald trump to be the republican nominee again, that's already progress. and we have a lot of we got a lot of toxins in the american political system to sweat out. but this is more than talks, and this is an imminent threat. and if he is knocked out of the political, we can begin to retrace steps back to norma

in some ways while the republican party and this class of republican leadership wants to say they want to look forward, they're still supporting a possible candidate and former president that is issuing dark statements. that speech reminded me a lot of the american carnage inauguration speech. president trump was talking about wastelands across the country, talking about cesspools and immigration as an invasion, dark language, but language that has worked for the former president. >> i had the same thought. it was like the american carnage speech. president biden responding to those law and order comments by former president trump yesterday, tweeting this. call me old fashioned, but i don't think inciting a mob that attacks a police officer is respect for the law. you can't be pro-insurrection or pro-cop or pro-american. >>> still ahead this morning on "morning joe," we are just hours away from the fed's major announcement on interest rates. andrew ross sorkin joins us. >>> and later, record rain leads to deadly floods in missouri. we'll have thelatest. we'll have the laetlatest do you

but then election denial is not poised to become the official position of the actual state republican partyifferent states, both of which are entirely in control by republicans. each day that donald trump's bogus conspiracy goes unchecked within the republican party, it evolves from a french conspiracy theory too widely held belief within the party, to then ultimately becoming official republican doctrine. joining us now is ruth ben-ghiat, a prison suppressor of history at new york university and author of strongmen mussolini to present. professor ben-ghiat, thank you for making time for us. they're a few things that i wanted to talk to you about. but i wanted to start getting your reaction to a story i just mentioned and ask you if you think we are in a slow boil situation where how the overturning of the last election has become mainstream doctrine for republicans and states like idaho and texas. >> absolutely. it's just more evidence of how the gop is absorbing and normalizing extremist ideologies because i want to point out that the resolution that they are poised to they will probably

>> what the republican party are hoping he talks about is the future of the party. interesting. ed thelip from the former vice president, mike pence, who also attended a conference today in which he said the elections are about the future, not th past. something the republicans are worried about is at donald trump tends to use speeches to talk about the election loss of 2020. it is obsession, a constant grievance he has. they don't want him to focus on that. over the weekend he was at a very conservative conference in which he talked again about that unsubstantiated claim the election was stolen. they hope he focuses on the things they want him to, which are the issues the republicans are taking to the voters for the midterms. just a sense of what it is like at the moment. outside the hotel, you have supporters, those are supportive of donald trump, and those that are against donald trump. this i the third time he has come back to d.c. since he flew off on january 20, the morning of the inauguration. this is the first time he has been here since the congressional hearings which p

one question i want to know about, is the jesus party within the republican party. are a spiritual, philosophical section of the party. there was this idea of purity, in christ it is the old summit purification of sin. can you dovetail that into your party of the future and what the jesus party should do when talking about its role within the republican party? guest: when i spoke about republican purity, i was not thinking about religion particularly. what i was thinking about was the founders of the country in 1776 and the idea that to win this war against the british, all of us are going to think about something greater than ourselves. republican purity meant disinterested virtue. it was not a religious phrase in any particular way and one that historians revived 30, 40 years ago. the idea of republican virtue, what we ended up with was a different kind of idea about how to govern which was called pluralism, a madisonian idea. forget virtue, we are corrupt people, the best we can do is have a bunch of people sitting around a table cutting deals with each other. be

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reason we're having this conversation is because congresswoman marjorie taylor greene said the republican partye the christian nationalist party. we'll get to that in a moment. but first of all, what is it, what is christian nationalism? >> christian nationalism is an ideology that seeks to idealize and advocate for a fusion of american civic life with a very particular kind of christianity and when we say christianity, we don't mean people who love jesus who have tried to live christ-like lives. christianity is code work for people like us that are conservative natural born citizens who think like us and look like us. christian nationalism seeks to fuse and institutionalize that kind of christianity with american policies and symbols and founding myths and our kind of deep story. >> when the book says white christian nationalism, is it almost exclusively based on race, explain that element? >> sure. we find in all of our studies that we're looking at these things with national survey data. we find that when white americans hear the language of christian nationalism, when they hear about christ

there is no republican party anymore and then i would say as republicans, we used to put country above party and everything else. today as i said in my testimony, all politicians, they don't believe they ever have a choice between party and country when in fact every single day they are wired to make a choice between party and country where's all of us every day do choose between political allegiance and country, family, friends. not the politicians. >> i would say fax matter. follow the facts on the don't follow intimate is busy theories, follow the facts. every court that has looked at this, president trump's code department of homeland security, attorney general call neutral observers, it's unanimous. i would say leave it behind because as you continue to insist on this, you're doing great harm to the country because you are so in distrust and you are doing great damage to conservative movement because your aligning it with baseless claims and instead of running on conservative values we have cared about for a long period of time and have been successful when presented to the americ

as cnn's kyung lah reports. >> a showdown in the dez sert or the future of the republican party. donald trump at odds yet again. this time in the hotly contested gop primary for arizona governor. the former president has endorsed republican candidate kerry lake. >> she's my complete and total endorsement. >> a former republican. >> i registered as a republican. >> turned independent. >> really fed up. >> turned democrat. >> i registered as a democrat. >> turned republican again. >> the republican party, party of solutions. >> her campaign is centered on the lie that donald trump beat joe biden. >> the whole u.s., as long as an illegitimate president is in the white house. >> she spouts far right conspiracies. >> we had major election fraud. 200,000 minimum ballots were trafficked by mules. >> i'm kerry lake. >> like trump, lake made her name on television. the former arizona local news anchor has also borrowed from his playbook, frequently attacking those in her old profession. >> fake news. i got ambushed by cnn outside. >> i think kerry lake has what it takes to get us to where

donald trump has no interest in the republican party, could care less if the republican party succeedsils or blows up in history. donald trump cares about donald trump, and the other variable that we have to think about here is donald trump's calculation about an early announcement for support that it is what in his mind thinks will prevent that indictment from coming down, so when you add that element of an early announcement as a trump legal strategy to lower the pressure that he knows is coming his way, it becomes all of the more desperate an action and all of the more demanding of total loyalty from anyone in the republican party and god forbid the republican that does not show that loyalty and kiss that ring because trump will come after them. ron desantis, by the way, knows that better than anyone. >> thank you both for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >>> up next, breaking news from "the washington post" that the justice department is investigating donald trump's actions as part of its criminal probe of the 2020 election. more on that when we come back. probe of the 202 it's a

karen robeson, we've talked about the small cracks in the republican party apparatus but we're far from seeing a gorge that begins to split this party away from donald trump. does mike pence, doug doocy, do they begin to open up and take a shovel and try to build up a resistance on the right within this party here? and this often comes down to local levels. rusty bowers, one of those individuals who faced pressure from trump allies to overturn the election results in arizona and appeared last month in front of the january 6th select committee, he was also at that event. i want to let you hear from speaker bowers when i asked him whether this was a fight for the soul of today's republican party. take a listen. >> everybody's got to reassess do we want to be a party that's looking into the past with some kind of grudge match all the time or do we want to start solving the problems of a biden administration that has just gone amuck. >> ultimately voters dictate politics so often here. there's been a lack of pressure on the republican leaders to get the republican party to separate from don

the leadership of the republican party has censured republicans who have not questioned th election.is a stark divide but these people stick by donald trump and they have since the beginning. jane: i was looking at your twitter feed and it seems it is still about donald trump himself. is he planning to run in 2024? reporter: members have been flying that he may be more inclined to announce a presidential campaign because of these january 6 hearings, because it gives them a platform to contest it, a chance to challenge any legal investigations as a partisan witchhunt, in his terms. if you look in the merchandise vendors behind me, you see a lot of donald trump 2024 t-shirts and signs. they were handing out flyers to attendees. touting donald trump's accompaniments, not the candidacy is supposed to be endorsing, but donald trump himself. while this is supposed to be a midterm election rally, it still is about donald trump and there are a lot of people who would be happy to see donald trump run again and announce his candidacy this year even. jane: thank you very much for joining me. no

how do we get out of it if the republican party is completely overtaken by this?hing i should say, i think it's very important that you've included the words white christian nationalism altogether. the three interlocking pieces is the threat before us. somebody who studied this movement, somebody who grew up myself white and christian in the deep south as part of the evangelical world, i don't think there's a more serious threat to the future of our democracy than what we are seeing right now with the rise of white christian nationalism in the republican party. it's easy to dismiss this with as fringe when you hear people like marjorie taylor green and others spouting off about it. when you look at those numbers, it's a little more than white evangelicals and a little more than half of the republican party. it is intense fear about demographic and cultural change connected with divine entitlement. these are not the virtues of democracy or of the democratic citizenry. if these aren't held in check, these really do contain the seeds of our potential demise. >> and t