party. you often hearken back to ronald reagan, the republican wing of the republican party. and you did this successfully as only the second republican governor to be re-elected in maryland, a blue state that biden won by 30 points in 2020. you put together a coalition that included women, african-americans, latino americans, independents, and republicans. why isn't this a formula that could work at the national level? >> well, it is a formula that could work at the national level. unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be what the -- you know, the primary electorate is focused on. so i think -- there's no question that we showed a better path forward. when i got elected, i had to win all the republicans, all the dependents, and about 30% of the democrats. now, that's obviously a formula for success if we want to get back to being a party that governs again. but in a general election, that ability to win swing voters is critically important. it's the most important thing that we're lacking, which is why we've lost seven out of the last eight, you know, presidential votes. >> oka

you know the country is headed to become a minority majority party there is nothing the republican partyat you are seeing here is playing out is an attempt to stop the inevitable. instead of doing what the party should have done, which is to do the hard work to appeal to non white voters they have gone the other way. it is officially a white grievance party. >> do you think there is of any room for other republicans to criticize trump in this hour at all? i'm looking at governor ron desantis who is with a wink and not mentioning the phrases porn star, and hush money as much as he could this week. do you think you will be punished for that even though he wasn't, outright criticizing trump? just a nod to the absurdity and tawdry-ness of what's happening here? >> you know the test here will be will ron desantis say that joe biden won a free and fair election the fact that we are even talking about that -- he hasn't even said that. he said that joe biden -- he accepts that joe biden is president. so they have to stand up to trump if they're going to try to say that the party needs to go in a

and that is why the republican party of today, stop calling it the republican party. call it the trump party and be done with it. [applause] what was the question? [laughter] >> the question is the extremist movement that you're seeing in the party. all right, mark, you talk about that as well, that trump just had a willingness to blow past any kind of guard rails or any kind of limitations that other politicians might not. >> i mean, i think in some ways it's very uncomplicated. the reason -- and america, for as nuanced and as sort of considered our system, our constitution is, it's built very much on good faith, it's built very much on the expectation that leaders, particularly the ultimate leader, the president of the united states, is going to behave in a very baseline decent way and follow certain norms and so forth. and the reason donald trump acts the way he does and has gotten away with what he has gotten away with for now almost eight years running inside the republican party is because he can. and any number of republicans in this party could have stepped in

it doesn't go to the republican party now. the republican party likes this fight.g every time we talk about this and what ron desantis wants us to talk about. >>> all right. going to try to put factual information on the table in that conversation. next for us, we have a cnn exclusive interview with pete buttigieg. we'll have the details next. ♪wow, uh-huh♪ advantage: me! can't wait 'til i turn 65! take advantage with an aarp medicare advantagege plan... only from unitedhealthcare. i've never been healthier. shingles doesn't care. but shingrix protects. proven over 90% effective, ingrix is a vaccine used to prevent shines in adults 50 years and older. shingrix does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactns to its ingredients or to a previous dose. an increased risk of guillain-barré syndrome was observed after getting shingrix. fainting can also happen. the most common side effects are pain, redness and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, tiredness, headache, shivering, fever, and upset stomach. ask your doctor or pharmacist ab

we've seen a real change in the republican party. we saw the shift after trump's election in 2016 and it's very much that blue—collar american worker who feels like their taxpayer dollar is being misused in washington so what trump said is, i am like one of you, even though he really wasn't. he said he was an outsider and would shake things up. here we sit in 2023 again, a year away from another presidential election and what you hearfrom moderate you hear from moderate republicans you hearfrom moderate republicans even as a lot of grievance with the biden administration. about the economy, about public safety, immigration. i do think there is still an appetite for republicans to come through and really take it from democrats, based on how aggrieved people are with biden.— are with biden. absolutely, i take your — are with biden. absolutely, i take your point _ are with biden. absolutely, i take your point there - are with biden. absolutely, i take your point there but - are with biden. absolutely, i take your point there but i i take

feel coming to the contest. >> i think it is this is a handy guide to the divide inside the republican party right now where you have the republicans, conservatives who may respect trump or would appreciate what he did in office but believe the party has to move on supporting ron desantis and palm beach, florida the club for growth originally opposed donald trump in 2015 and 16 and accommodated itself to him when he began the president and now opposes him running in 2024 and on the other hand you have trump himself in cpac attacking ron desantis in an odd way saying ron desantis wanted to cut medicare and social security in a wheelchair over the cliff kind of guy resurrecting the democratic and former speaker paul ryan you have a jumbled situation here but what is clear trump versus desantis and one is in washington area and what is and palm beach. gerry: trump is attacking desantis over some of the issues. it is going to be -- to think the party can come together trump refuses to say he will support the nominee that seems to be a prerequisite into ever runs this nominating contest should ge

there's a big fight for the, i would say, the heart and soul of the republican party i've been talking about for years and it's still going on. we're making progress. it went from about 90% of the republican primary base was behind trump to 60% after january 6th and down to 30%. there's about two-thirds of the people in the republican party, while they might have supported trump and trump's policiesnd t no question he's a formidable challenge. i think, you know,s a year is an eternity in mpolitics and they'e a year ago. it could be different from what it looks like a year from now. >> you are a two term governor that just left office and you've long been connected to the legacy of ronald reagan, conservative movement politics. is your decision to not run in 2024 in any way an acknowledgement that that party, that version of the republican party, is fading or even gone? >> i don't feel that way at all. i think we certainly went off in the wrong direction, and we're not back on track. it's going to take a while. we're not there yet. i would say the party of reagan is not dead, and neithe

it's an unserious republican party. that's with said you want a party on the othe side to question you to be an intellectua rival. >> it's interesting. mchenry who is sort of i leadership there he ran a call of the weekend with republicans i think they were trying to ge people away from this nonsense and make it a plausible case i'm not sure how successfu that's gonna be. congressman ro khanna. >> coming up, donald trump's refusal to condemn russia -- the latest pandering from trump rival, from the backlash within the gop that's coming up next. bathroom. reaching for the bar, just to reach for pads. waiting for the sunset, just to wait for the stall. discover gemtesa. a once-a-day pill proven to reduce all 3 key symptoms of oab: leakage episodes, urgency and frequency in adults. do not take if you have a known allergic reaction to gemtesa or its ingredients. tell your doctor right away if you are unable to empty your bladder or if you have a weak urine stream. tell your doctor if you're taking medicines that contain dig

it's an unserious republican party. that's what sad.ant a party on the othe side to question you to be an intellectual rival. >> it's interesting. mchenry who is sort of i leadership there he ran a call of the weekend with republicans i think they were trying to ge people away from this nonsense and make it a plausible case i'm not sure how successfu that's gonna be. congressman ro khanna. good to have you here. >> thank you >> coming up, donald trump's refusal to condemn russia -- the latest pandering from trump rival, from the backlash within the gop that's coming up next. she's the rock of the family. she's the person who holds everything together. ♪♪ it's a battle, you know i'm going to be there. keytruda and chemotherapy meant treating my cancer with two different types of medicine. in a clinical trial, keytruda and chemotherapy was proven to help people live longer than chemotherapy alone. keytruda is used to treat more patients with advanced lung cancer than any other immunotherapy. keytruda may be used with certain chemotherapie

this is not the republican party. this is the trump party. en able to position desantis as part of the establishment? >> he said this to governor sununu, the idea that trump is trying to run as an outsider because from the jump i've heard from sources close to his team, a la, 2016 and someone said to me this weekend, you know, he's doing better than he was at this point in 2016. i sure hope so. he was the president for four years. i mean it's almost as though they're trying to erase the fact that he was in the white house for four years. is he going to come up with a new nickname for desantis and in talking with people about cpac and club for growth, trump allies say this is the most important gathering of conservatives that will happen in this campaign until the republican primary debate, and then i heard somebody else and a rival campaign adviser say, wait a second, these are the maga misfits, and i'm not quoting, but paraphrasing showing up to be super pro-trump and the adults in the room are going to club for growth. >> do you know what th

host: what is your reading on the republican party after the nikki haley announcement? guest: it was a good announcement. she had a good rollout. i think there is some excitement for her. a lot of republican women have excitement she is running. she has always been a popular figure within the party scene is a rising star. i think the situation on cnn with don lemon questioning and saying she was out in her prime when she just 51 years old is in a way, we know those comments were taking offensively, that is helped bolster her profile. she fundraiser on it and talking about that issue. there is excitement and she has seen uptick in the pole. she's not backdu

but it does seem to be a lot of punches at the republican party. aid that they no longer were the party of paul ryan, carl r rove, jeb bush. saying they were never going to give mine to endless wars, the stance of many in the republican party. so far he has not called out major potential 2024 presidential nominees. however, we did hear him say something that sounded like a very veiled threat at ron desantis. take a listen. >> we're. going back to people -- we're not going back to people that want to destroy our great social security system, even some in our own party. i wonder that might be, that want to raise the minimum wage of social security to 70, 75, or 80 in some cases. and that are out to cut medicare to a level that it will no longer be recognizable. >> reporter: trump has gone after desantis over social security and medicare because when desantis was in congress he suggested that he was open to changing those programs. so this has been a big point for trump to batter down on, and he has continueded to do so. we expect to hear that more and

, the brand party , the republican party? hen they should take care of the deputies of their uh, party, because trump is not was never a pure republican, but simply uh, he took advantage of that moment to go out on that wave and personally get the president, so if the party cares about its reputation, it must think many times at the congress of the republican party, which uh, which will take place next summer year, when they will finally approve the candidacy, which will most likely oppose biden. although he has also announced that he will run for a second term, it will most likely be joe biden's time and he will announce that that he will run for office, that is, as in 2020. it seems to me that the most realistic candidate who can defeat trump, if the republican party still nominates him , will be joe biden, who is able to defeat him , as he did the first time in the 20th year, and the second time in the 24th yes, i agree, i can’t put myself among the people who are well versed in american politics, but i also think that the

look, this is where the republican party has ended up. d trump, when donald trump went out and called for a muslim ban in december of 2015. everyone knew in the party, if this party stood for anything, it was the constitution. this was a religious test. they knew this. but they didn't stand up to trump. and there was this thing the republican party to say when i worked in it, that character counts. and that was right. and this is now all unfolding. and it is just beginning. the majority of the republican party does not believe that joe biden is the legally elected president. so, play that out. what does it mean? it means they live in an occupied country. that not only gives them a reason to do whatever it takes. but for some, it gives them an obligation. and i think this is just beginning. i think the republican party is shameful in not standing up for the rule of law, which is what this is. the reason there is a former president being indicted is because the republican party nominated and elected a criminal. it's no more complicated than

the republican party should be a party that is bringing reform to the kind of things that people wanted said health care, prescription drugs, immigration. what we're gonna do about the rising debt. how we preserve social security. how we preserve medicare. you're not hearing all that. what you're hearing from the loud voices in the republican party are attacks on donald trump. they're stepping on their own message. that's why they keep losing elections. at some point, if they don't change, they're gonna continue to lose elections and not a win. the language of donald trump use last night when he used to cpac about i am your retribution. how does that sit with you? >> how do you think it's a three, ali? why don't you gas? warning thing i think about that? >> how much more -- it's a whole new level of alarming to me. -- he'll see everybody as an enemy. >> first of all, i'm not a trump enemy. i may pose to him. i don't hate anybody. that's not the way it is to be. when i hear that rhetoric that chauvin hearing since 2016. remember, i was the first republican significant person to fight him

this apparently is too woke for the republican party. >> really, ron? you don't want kids to learn about rosa parks? the civil rights icon and american hero? well who do you and republicans like you think little kids should be reading about instead? >> everyone knows my husband rhonda santos is endorsed by president trump. he's also an amazing dad. ron loves playing with the kids. >> he reads stories. >> then mr. trump said, you are fired. i love that part. >> he's teaching madison to talk. >> make america great again. >> and there it is. the modern republican party in a nutshell. reading mcgahn bs to your kids while taking rosa parks out of our schools and libraries. that's the future that rhonda sanders wants for your kids, my kids, and our country. and apparently republicans in the house are more than happy to help him. is the policy for the bulwark, and retired political strategist and both join me now. mona, i don't know where to begin with the rosa parks thing. what are we seeing happen here when you contextualize republicans sort of elevating of t

we had a republican party that was ruled by freaks. neocons. globalists. arty of paul, ryan carl rogan into bush. >> if. only joining me now is mehdi hasan, the host of the medina sancho on msnbc and peacock. also author of the new book, yesterday crack the top ten of the amazon books l inglis. it is, called when every. argument to the art of, baking persuading, and public speaking. , well down my. france congrats. on this it is so. good is so good, this. book we are gonna get to that in a, second i want to ask you, why do you think the republican party stands right now? given what we've heard from donald trump right there? the fact that cpac has essentially become the trump show? >> yes, indeed. first of, all i have to say, alex it's always amazing to hear donald trump refer to other people as fools and freaks, in that clip you just played. they're a great irony there. cpac long ago became t pack. it is the trump legal action committee. it is basically a personal fiefdom. we saw them in terms of the numbers, all of the rooms where. empty cpac is not what i

is today's republican party, maybe tomorrow's republican party will be the second one, one can hope, who are into conspiracy theories, this is the party that believes that trump stole the election, this is the party that believes that putin is a good guy, look at half-naked putin on a horse he's so cool , let's take a look. that's what we need. it's people who want a strong hand. they don't understand that democracy is what we need. it really gives them the opportunity to earn money or improve their lives because under an authoritarian state it will only be worse for them. but this is such an interesting misunderstanding . minorities because these are poor people who , if they can't have an abortion , there will only be more of them, so they are somehow harming themselves and this is a regular position for them , mr. yuriy and what is joseph's rating now what are biden's latest numbers? biden's chances are good , moreover, his support is growing because inflation has now started to somehow equalize . how will prices decrease? i would like the americans to understand how important a r

republican voters are. i know we focus on some of the crazies. this really is the party today. >> tara, we had donald trump last night speaking about a lot of stuff. he made one notable statement, however, about election security. let's take a quick listen. >> all republican governor should immediately go from paper ballots, one day voting, and voter i.d.. until that day comes, republicans must compete using every lawful means to win. that means swamping the left with mail-in votes, early votes, and election day votes. you have to do it. >> this man spent the last two years damaging the public's trust in early voting. demonizing the whole process. what is this mean? what is he saying here? what do you make of it? >> so, this is the influence of his new campaign strategists, who are actually experienced republican operatives. saying to him, part of the reasons why you lost and republicans lost in 2020 is because you demonize mail-in balloting, which is important! republicans used to be really good at this. i can remember working on campaigns, he hired a whole team just to

well, because according to polls of the airborne troops , the elector from the republican party is very, in particular among those americans who previously voted for donald trump and it is desantis who is currently considered the most serious potential opponent of donald trump in the fight for the presidential nomination from the republican party . well, donald trump himself. by the way, he promises his voters to end the war in ukraine in 24 hours if the americans elect him as their president in the entire election in the usa will take place at the end of next year, as we can see from the us presidential candidates, their voters and journalists. well, they also demand clear rhetoric regarding the role of the us in supporting oleksandr kraev, director of the north america program of the foreign policy council of ukraine, ukrainian prisma joins our broadcast, oleksandr my greetings, yes, greetings, good evening , everyone, is it you? it is quite sharp and so unexpected. well, maybe this is the rhetoric of a potential candidate from the republicans in the light of the american elections. a

this is a dangerous snapshot of the republican party. to the nomination goes through this crowd. this was the crowd that was underestimated in 2016, as there is no way that they could control the party. but they did. and they do. >> but does? it because rob, that rodeo is showing up in maryland, and matt gates, and donald trump jr., and his girlfriend. rhonda santas is raising huge donor daughters from the richest of the richest republicans down in palm beach florida, donald trump's adopted hometown. >> yes, this gets to house the party moved past trumpism or not? can you get to the nomination without embracing mother knows. and champion mother knows. ron desantis tried to test it and you hit on this very important thing with your conversation with robert allen. which is ron desantis is hanging out with establishment this week. he is cocktail-ing with the -- he is cocktail it with a jab bushes of the world. in fact, he just endorsed him on the eve of cpac. so if donald trump is worth his salt, stephanie, and we have not seen that he is y

the contest to select the republican party, 2024 presidential candidate. what's up ah, in depth analysis of the days headlines from around the world to try right extremely there is real and need to be tackled as soon as possible informed opinions. why is the sale of position concerned about this rather small between turkey, anthea, lose them on the really with 30 this is and so forth. frank assessment, you know, that was a joke about the interim government that it's not interact with, nor does it got inside story on al jazeera. ah, the health of humanity is at stake. a global pandemic requires a global response. w h o is the guardian of global health delivering life saving tools, supplies, and training to help the world's most vulnerable people, uniting across borders to speed up the development of tests, treatments, and of vaccine keeping you up to date with what's happening on the ground. in the world and in the lab. now more than ever, the world needs w. wait, you're making the healthier world for you. for every one. ah ah, you without us here a bunch o

electing the president, non-party voters, the majority of voters do not belong to either the republican party the democratic party, these are the so-called independents in america , and as the congressional elections of last november showed, this is the way independents vote. they don't like such far-right rhetoric, and that's why the vast majority of candidates who were nominated to the congress by trump and supported by trump suffered defeat in the elections and it is clear that the voters do not like all this far-right populist rhetoric, so i think that the chances of becoming a candidate for trump are many, there are high chances of winning the elections in the 24th year in it is less than it was in the 20th year, although it will of course be a struggle to believe that it will depend on where america will be, where the whole world will be, when the elections will be held, yes, they will be held not soon, but in any case, these elections will definitely be democratic. i think that russia will not have such a chance to influence the elections that it had at the time when trump was elected

, the leaders of the republican party, the desantis's, the trumps this is what they're espousinglican -- this is actually not a road we should ever go down. we remember how we were in world war ii, we know that i doesn't end well for so many innocent civilians but they're so afraid of the dynamite that they have in donald trump they don't know if desantis ha a chance, they're sittin quietly on the sidelines o these two men take their party in the wrong direction for the entire country >> david, help me reconcil something here you had this ne axios poll that shows that fou and five republicans want th u.s. to remain the world's leading superpower but fewer than half of the support giving ukraine weapons and financial support to sav itself from russia's invasion. how does it make sense how is the united states i their eyes, remain a superpowe and remain influential and remain a leader on the world stage. but not help ukraine defen itself from russian aggression >> i'm sorry to give this to word out sir but again, it's donald trump in many ways, he was the kin of have it all preside

fox did not create the republican party, the republican party created fox.t a market response to what the republican party had become. i think that the party took a really different turn after barack obama was elected president. it used to be a conservative party. fox was conservative, but within some framework of left and right american politics. what has become now is the party has lost faith with democracy. they feel that democracy itself has failed and--because their candidates have failed. if you really think back, they did not think barack obama was legally elected, don't think joe biden was legally elected. the less legally elected president was george bush. this is why i say the republican party has become an autocrat movement because when you lose faith in democracy, you start looking for an alternative, and the only hope that they have, because they have been overwhelmingly been donald trump's base is to change how we vote, and that's what they're working on. >> there's also this ideological aspect, jamelle, and over in about this a bit, which i th

. >>> also tonight, remember the republican party of ronald reagan demanding that the soviet leader tearn the berlin wall? well, today's republican party is parodying the talking points of the ultimate soviet nostalgic, vladimir putin. and offering to hand over ukraine to him as a reward for an illegal war. >>> plus, today's high-stakes hearing in texas, which could result in women losing even more reproductive freedoms as republicans push extreme new penalties for abortion patients, including the death penalty. >>> but we begin "the reidout" with trump loyalist turned adversary michael cohen who wrapped up his testimony today in front of the manhattan grand jury investigating the stormy daniel's hush money payments that he made on behalf of donald trump, aka, individual one, in the leadup to the 2016 presidential election. cohen's testimony taking more than five hours over two days is believed to be the last piece of the puzzle before wrapping up the case that is, after trump declined his invitation to speak before the grand jury himself so now we're in a literal wait and see moment wai

announcement all of us covering for her even democrats said she has a very good rollout but within the republican partyhere is some excitement i think a lot of republican women have expressed excitement she is running she's always been a popular figure within the party in the situation on cnn think she was not in her prime when she was just 51 years old is certainly in a way is taken offensively and to bolster the profile in no way but there is excitement and she has seen an uptick. but like the emerson college poll said. she is not breaking double digits it is still a trump and santos raise. >> independent good morning you are on with julia manchester. >> has an independent in 2016 i voted for trump but i did not in 2020. nor will i vote for any conspiracy theorist. they are driving independence away but that doesn't say that i will vote democratic because i may m or may not vote or go for a third-party candidate but republicans need to wake up i'm a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. and the sooner they get off with a tourist event and all of the other conspiracy theories democrats do it to do

that is now the mainstream of the republican party party. uh, you know, has, uh, is it creating a backlash? certainly is. um i, you know, as i began by i am not making any predictions but we can look right now and see that, you know, at least from where we stand now, this is not following the usual midterm patterns. uh, you see that, uh, uh, the level of enthused, as i am certainly among republicans as you would expect and in the, uh, first, in the second year of the first term of a democratic, they are riled up democratic voters are, uh, you know, it looks like, uh, as enthusiasts about it were voting now as they were in 2018. uh, and possible, you know, and so, you know, people are about potentially a presidential level, uh, turnout. so we'll see what happens. i have not pat you witness as i have not made any today you don't want to eat any more newspaper things but uh, but it does appear that at least possible that a backlash to all the is underway. well so is that hopeful maybe a little. well thank you very dana this has been has is fabu

donald trump right now, before today, was the favourite to be the republican party nominee. around the world but this indictment will actually help trump. among republicans. it will strengthen him among republicans. because donald trump will do what he's always done, which is say "look at me. i'm a victim. they are after me. everybody�*s after me" and that resonates with his base, with republican voters. you mention this will actually potentially, in your opinion, boost donald trump's chances of re—election but what do you think the reaction will be right now across the us and the republicans, democrats, those in between, how will they feel hearing that former president trump has been indicted? well, it will strengthen _ trump has been indicted? well, it will strengthen trump - trump has been indicted? well, it will strengthen trump and - it will strengthen trump and help his chances to get the republican party nomination in 24. i don't think it will help get him re—elected. because the stronger trump does in the republican party, more and more americans outside the republica

since that is the current republican party. party whose new house oversight chair james comer is made that president biden's son beau who died of brain cancer eight years ago was never prosecuted. i guess for being a biden. matt gaetz, who invited an accused murderer to give the pledge of allegiance at a judiciary committee hear after insisting on creating a rule for a daily recitation of the pledge. and of course, serial ha razor and professional marjorie taylor greene tried to sell her national divorce plan. >> we are fed up. we're fed up with democrat policies. we're fed up with the woke ideology being shoved down our throat. and we're tired of our children being brainwashed into these same ideas. we want our own safe space. and we deserve it. >> joining me now is former republican congressman and msnbc political analyst. i bet you never thought you heard the word safe space out of the mouth of far right republican. they need a safe space. how can we get one for them? >> yeah. you know, what's remarkable about this, joy, marj

the republican party has now become the party of insurrectionist apologia.he fringing halls of cpac, cbs news reports this week that a top staffer for house speaker kevin mccarthy, recently met with the mother of ashley babbitt, the insurrectionist who was shot and killed by police as rioters tried to break into the speakers lobby on january 6th. mccarthy is not alone. as cbs news notes in its report, other house republicans have also taken meetings with january 6th supporters and relatives of defendants. congresswoman marjorie taylor greene said there was a possibility some defendants relatives could be called as witnesses at an upcoming hearing of the house oversight committee. in other words, justice for january 6th rioters could soon be part of the official republican legislative agenda. it follows speaker mccarthy's decision to give exclusive access to over 40,000 hours of capitol hill january 6th surveillance footage to fox host tucker carlson, who was has downplayed the attack and air documentary, patriot purge, suggesting the whole thing was a false

well, then the republican party is divided in half, so what is obtained as a result of two party supportump actually said that these are these investigations. he was just hunting a witch hunt and compared it all to the horrors of stalin's russia . what is so terrible about stalin's russian ? it hasn't changed, they continue to call it what i like, uh , oldism, the gulag a-a so they somehow use these words, but at the same time a-a they say, as it were, almost opposite things because they support wars putin and they say that at this time the federal government wants to arrange a second hulak against them, how would you forgive me, how would you get confused. ah, he paid a porn star and didn't take it into account. you know how when the mobsters took a famous man for paying taxes . now they will remove trump from the local manhattan prosecutor because he impaled a porn star , but at the same time he didn't specify how he did it. advised election campaigns and everyone says that he will pay if he is silent so that she does not speak because she is elected, well, as if we need to know if the

and what does cpac tell us about the modern republican party? is it just one big grift? strategist, mike murphy, who advised republican candidates, including john mccain, jeb bush, and mitt romney. he's currently host of the must listen podcast -- on tap's tap. mike, thank you for being with me this evening. there's no one better to talk to about this. -- >> what a topic, the grift. >> when you think of the george santos's, and obviously donald trump with his ties and his stakes and even alex jones with his vitamins or whatever he sells, the conservative movement in the year 2023 -- it does feel like an infomercial. and i wonder how much you think the big con, the grift, essential to the party's identity at this point. >> well, alex, first of all, i join fellow patriot donald trump jr. in urging our listeners, the true patriots at, there to make the i check out today to questions against secular humanism, or cash. this is drifting plain and simple. -- it's unbelievable. i did not know god had an opinion about cell phone companies. yes. but, what's happened is trump's shr

a feel the trump republican party should change its name. there was a movement they had a couple years ago to change the name with the symbol of the lion as the trump party. and that would give the non-trump republican as home. it would at least give them a place they could self-identify. i am a gun owner, i'm a responsible gun owner. many people who are out there now in this branch of the party, the dominant branch of the party, the trump party, they really like to brandish a concept of using their weapons. and i represent several times in my book there was one gentleman who said, when can we start using our guns? they don't keep them as avatars any more. it's almost as if they want to create trouble. and i also say this to my african american brothers and sisters, the one saving grace we have in this country that keeps that from happening is that law enforcement in this country is a very jealous body, all right? they're not going to side with you if you go to a walmart and you start shooting people. they're not going to side with you if yo

a wingo the republican party that is so addicted -- a wing of the republican party that is so addictivem buying from the cheap market from china. it's important to be honest. we want to declare independence from china, we have to be willing to ban most u.s. businesses from doing business in china until the ccp falls or until it radically reforms itself. there is no easy way out other than taking the band-aid and ripping it right off. i'm sorry henry kissinger, we are done with your experiment in america. [applause] it is the only way out. we have to start thinking about the timescales of history, not electoral cycles. we don't need chamberlain. we need churchill in this country. if you are willing to make a sacrifice, the chances are you'll never have to make it, because the other side will fall first. you can be willing to make a sacrifice if you know what you are sacrificing for. that is this thing we call america. our inner animal spirit has been domesticated. it has been tamed by this new culture that embraces victimhood and rejects excellence. it has left oceans to lift up places l

and for a moment we sat1 something ine the republican party that we hadn't seenq in a while.>> we condemn the viop■ that took place here in the strongest Ä(ssible terms. >> we will not be kepte1 out of this t(chamber by thugs, t(e1mo threats. we will not bow to lawlessness or intimidation. >>e1 rioters don't run the capitol. we're the united states of america. >> it was then the republican party seemed to agree with sentiment in a constitutional democracy, that insurrection is bad, and that insurrection is a crime. fast forward to today and that sentiment is nowhere to be found. instead, the republican party has fully okembraced the very people who tried to dismantle democracy. in fact, just hours ago, a delegation of lawmakers including marjorie taylor greene . jail to visit some of thoseok rioters. many, many reports of how they're being 5a■abused. and how their rights are being abused. and remember, these are pretrial, january 6th defendants. the reason why we're here is because the two-tier justice system has to end. >> okay, let's bee1 clear. the reason the rioters are b

he clearly sees that as his lane in the republican party. that can seize those brenda voters without having that brand of trump with him. the debate emerging, especially when the republican presidential field is as still in formation as it is, is desantis's approach towards corporations, towards big business. you saw his standoff with disney come to the fore this week revoking the special tax status disney has had in florida. we have always thought of the republican party as a classic pro-business chamber of commerce limited government. his sentence is throwing that out of the window. it will be fascinating to see if republican primary voters in this day and age respond to that. >> what about that, carl? have republicans learned the lesson of the 2022 midterms? that going back to the well of the culture war does not always deliver in the way they want it literally? >> yes, especially when you consider what happened with abortion. there is a make -- big split among republicans still among the establishment republicans, mitch mcconnell, still a

and that is why the republican party of today, stop calling it the republican party. call it the trump party and be done with it. [applause] what was the question? [laughter] >> the question is the extremist movement that you're seeing in the party. all right, mark, you talk about that as well, that trump just had a willingness to blow past any kind of guard rails or any kind of limitations that other politicians might not. >> i mean, i think in some ways it's very uncomplicated. the reason -- and america, for as nuanced and as sort of considered our system, our constitution is, it's built very much on good faith, it's built very much on the expectation that leaders, particularly the ultimate leader, the president of the united states, is going to behave in a very baseline decent way and follow certain norms and so forth. and the reason donald trump acts the way he does and has gotten away with what he has gotten away with for now almost eight years running inside the republican party is because he can. and any number of republicans in this party could have stepped in

bush, and it caused him to be on the outs a bit with the republican party. so i've always wondered, who is the real tucker carlson? and it seems we are now more clear on that. >> listen, there are people who work with me on my show, on the crew side who worked with him, who do not recognize this person that they see on the network now. they are insisting that he was not that guy. let me play another clip. this is tucker carlson, this is in 2021, maybe this is the new tucker carlson. let's hear him in 2021. >> i like, if i'm really cornered or something, i lie, i really try not to, i try never to lie on tv. i don't like lying, i certainly do it, you know, out of weakness or whatever. >> so then you have that tucker carlson angry, angry that his network beat us in making the correct call, why would anyone defend that call, my anchor at the news channel, says it should be, they let chris wallace and leland better wreck it too much. this is not a journalist anymore if you are saying, it was a bad call and it was destructive to do your job as the polling unit, th