joining me now is john burris who represented rodney king after this beating. the video of tyre nichols, that video tonight, but the comparison that people are making that have seen this video, comparing it to rodney king, what do you think that means? >> well it means that the police were out of control and that they were beating a person senseless without any justification for it. certainly in rodney king's case there was a beating that went on and on and they were trying to beat him in submission and as a consequence of that he received terrible, terrible injuries many of which he never really recovered from. i don't think that he ever recovered to go back to being king, rodney king that he was before. so these kind of beatings adversely effected him and most damaging way, but it also effected the community as well. because in those days, look, there wasn't this outcry in support of rodney king. the black community was outraged but the vast majority was not because they have never seen this type of beating before. so rodney king was the first time that polic

i remember rodney king.t is a different situation where more mercy will be shown to this young man, because he lost his life and had not done anything wrong, whereas with rodney king there were efforts to condemn him because he was speeding, and ex-convict, and any number of negatives exploited at the time, but this is a different situation. kristen: there is so much to unpack and explore in what you said, but i want to follow up on what we will likely see. the kicking you talked about, police kicking tyre nichols. his stepfather describes seeing him being kicked like a football. that is how he describes it. out of maybe 10 officers, nobody tried to stop the beating. it is easy to say a bad egg when you have 10 officers not recognizing something very wrong is happening -- [indiscernible] john: that is officers see conduct taking place, and did not stop others. under the law, they have a duty to interfere and stop the misconduct and could be wrong and charged with the violation of civil rights because of thei

amy: rowvaughn, rodney wells, deepest condolences.minute, i want to ask you about another case that you are unbelievably dealing with, keenan anderson, also stopped in a traffic stop in los angeles. >> yes, it seems to be, no matterhere a person of col, that they do theost. he is handcuffed and they still tase him six or seven times within 42 second, we believe causing his heart to be electrocuted. he was a 31-year-old teacher. it is so heartbreaking, all of these tragedies. you have some minority officers involved in that tragedy in los angeles which underscores what i have said recently, dealing with these officers who killed tyre nichols who are all african-american. what i have learned in my almost 25 years of doing civil rights law all across america, that it is not the race of the police officers that are the determining factor whether they will engage excessive use of force, but it is the race of the citizen, and often times it is black and brown citizens who get the brunt of police brutality. we don't see videos of our white b

she's the daughter of the late rodney king, and founder of the rodney king foundation.for being here. so many people have likened the video of tyre nichols to that of your dad in 1991 being beaten by the lapd. not everyone, but many people. i'm just wondering what this week has been like for you to hear your dad's name invoked so much. >> you know, i often try to stay away, but then when i heard everyone just comparing, i had no choice but to face it as with all of us. it's really horrific honestly because i've read details on it and i'm sick to my stomach. i'm actually not well, and i don't think anybody in their right mind, anybody that respects humanity is okay with this. i don't -- i'm lost for words about it, and i'm just sad. i'm sad for his mother, sad for his family. i'm sad for his friends. i read that he has a child. i'm not sure, but i'm sad for his son. i'm just sad for just where we are in america. we're still here. i'm in disbelief. >> yeah. you're not alone, and the visceral reaction you're describing being sick to your stomach, so many of us feel that wa

. >> why it is crisons to rodney king. >> the difference is that rodney king survived. >> you do the crime, you do the time. >> protests erupting around the country. this special edition of nightline will be right back. when do you spray febreze air? after every flush. in my kitchen, febreze tackles my toughest odors. after vacuuming, because fresh means clean. i spray every chance i get. starts working instantly to freshen any room. febreze air. i've been telling everyone... the secret to great teeth is having healthy gums.oom. crest advanced gum restore. detoxifies below the gumline... and restores by helping heal gums in as little as 7 days. crest. the #1 toothpaste brand in america. >>> good evening and thank you for joining us. tonight the violent beating video of a memphis man, tyre nichols, released nearly two weeks after his death. 60 minutes of video beginning as a traffic stop and evolved into a familiar and disturbing scene. calling for calm as people take to the streets. >> reporter: protests continue here in memphis and in other cities across the country like new york ci

after rodney king exited the car, officers fired a stun gun at him and brutally beat him. nearby civilian capture the gruesome attack on video, it was aired over and over again all over the news. after a jury failed to convict the four officers a year later, los angeles erupted into five days of riots, which left more than 60 people dead and more than 2000 injured. we are joined this morning by civil rights attorney john burris, who represented the late rodney king. john, thank you so much for joining us this morning. obviously a lot of comparisons, i loving the similarities between what happened right nicking in tyre nichols. but i want to start with this first question. in the obituary for rodney king, he had been interviewed about his arrest, and he said quote, it made the world a better place. i have to get your reaction drawn. that was 1991. 2023, how is this still happening, as we saw tyre nichols? >> i will say that the words in fact weren't true in the sense that things did change substantially. it was really the first time that a general white population had a cha

rodney king was beat with baton for minutes. if you go back and look at the rodney king video. rodney king was on pcp, that gives you this strength that police officers can tell you about. it is different. is it just as bad, it's worse, because this man was killed. rodney king wasn't killed. he ended up dying from something else. this is awful on its own. we don't need to do the comparisons to rodney king. this is different. but then, but then, when he is -- unconscious, on the ground, after they beat him and kick him, they prop -- they leave him there, prop him up against the car, he falls over, they prop him up against the car, he falls over, they prop him up against the car and he falls over and you have all of these people on the scene and they're not rendering help. this is awful. it's a failure not only in policing, but a failure in humanity. i'm uncomfortable actually watching it. and i know this is my job as a journalist, but this isn't comfortable. we're watching a man being beaten to death on live television right now. it is a tape, but we're live doing it. shimon has

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nichols arrest to the rodney king beating. it said that attorney said police video viewed by the family on monday showed that nichols was tasered and restrained on january 7. let's go to charles in michigan. caller: i'm enjoying your show, i usually do. his the thing, -- here's the thing, they are trying to reform policing in this country and i do not agree with that. that means less cops, they want to a reimagined police. that means less police on the ground. when that happens, we need to be all united to take out -- take up arms. what they are doing with the second amendment in this country and to the first amendment, it is unconstitutional. host: you say we need to take up arms to do what? caller: to protect ourselves when they want to take away police. with the atf coming out with other rules, and the fbi doing what they are doing, they need to be dismantled. there is no call for them. host: the fbi should be dismantled? >> yes. where does it say in the constitution we need the fbi and the atf and the department of educati

. >> we have heard comparisons to rodney king. when you hear attorneys for the family, they talk about a brutal beatdown. >> absolutely. >> is that all true? >> yes, it is. it is true. as i said before, it's hurtful. it was obvious to me that what i saw was beyond the scope of what is condoned in this police department and any department i have ever worked in before. >> reporter: andrea, as someone who has covered several of these cases, of these stories in different parts of the country, what we are seeing here of the chief of police talking to media and being honest about what we are about to see in the video, the swiftness of the investigation at multiple levels, at multiple agencies here on the ground, and the level of criminal charges these five officers are facing, this is not normal. this is not how in black communities and places like memphis they feel they are treated when incidents of police violence of this nature occur. while people are grateful. many people have shouted out the chief of police as someone being transpa

so that -- under that analysis it shows that this is actually worse than rodney king because in rodney under the cover of darkness, which they had done many times before. in this case they wanted to beat him and beat him and pummel him because they figured no one would care, and that's my fundamental problem with this entire system. you can talk about the jump out boys, you can talk about the red dogs, you can talk about the scorpion unit, that is what they're called in different municipalities which usually lead to bad policing, but fundamentally you have to give black folk the benefit of their humanity and we just don't see that often enough. >> jonathan wackrow, you have the events during that beating, you now have law enforcement involved, you have charges issued, you have the reactions we're seeing now from the police chief and the family and now you're going to have a video out and a public reaction to seeing what the police chief herself said, acts that defy humanity. she said you're going to see, she said to don, a disregard for life. what preparations must law enforcement be m

they're celebrating what feels like pay back for rodney king. that ignored them. >> in recent weeks, everyone of us has been made aware of a simple truth. white americans and black americans often see the same world in drastically different ways. way that is go beyond and beneath the simpson trial and the aftermath, which brought these perceptions so starkly into the open. almost 30 years ago, dr. martin luther king took his last march in memphis. well today's march is about black men taking renewed responsibility for themselves, their families and their communities. >> welcome to the million man march. >> there are big goings on in the nation's capitol today, this is an enormous crowd of black american men and boys and yes, even some women. >> i remember the power of stepping out of the dc metro and seeing a sea of faces of color on the national mall. >> the million man march was called for boy lewis far con who's head of the nation of islam. >> the basic reason this was called was for atonement and reconciliation. >> he's always been a convert

the incident is being compared to the vicious beating of rodney king by los angeles police in 1991. demonstrations are already underway in memphis and cities across the country, as security is tight with police departments on alert. president biden spoke with tyre nichols' mother this afternoon to express his condolences. tonight, he told reporters he is concerned about the potential for violence. we have team coverage tonight from memphis starting with cbs's elise preston. elise, good evening. >> reporter: good evening to you, major. the beating has been described as heinous and inhumane. the family says he was terrorized in the assault. we have to warn you, some of these images are very disturbing. for the first time we are seeing the violent arrest of tyre nichols, what began as a traffic stop. quickly turned violent as captured on multiple videos released by the city of memphis. officers are seen pulling nichols out of the car as they deployed a taser and pepper spray during a struggle. nichols runs from officers. police took him down again. just 80 yards from his mother's house

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rodney king, all cops were white. most of george floyd the cops were white. will the community feel the same outrage? what happened here? the scorpion unit, i don't think they're really focused on organized crime as much as ordinary street crime. they ride around, look for crimes being committed. they see this poor man, tyre nichols, at a traffic stop. there's some kind of confrontation. the young man runs away. the cops run after him. they catch him. the body came will make clear what the -- what this drama as it unfolded, what really happened. but i think that it will be interesting to see whether -- with the race factor removed, as it should be. i've spoken to some officers. i know one particular ranking officer here in cleveland. i said should this make any difference? will this make any difference? a white man, i should say. he says yes, it will make a difference. memphis is the town that has been wrought since martin luther king with racial strife, with the police department. they bent over backward to try to integrate that department, to bring more bla

eastern time today, comparing to what happened with rodney king. we'll talk about that but listen to what he said. >> it reminds you of rodney king in many regards, assaulted, battered, punched, kicked, tased, pepper sprayed. it is very troubling when you think about tyre only weighs, at most, 150 pounds, calling for his mother. he yells out to her three times and then you never hear tyre nichols say another word on that video. you see him up against the car, sitting down in handcuffs and you see his body fall to the right. >> you can see now i'm joined live now by the memphis police chief, cj davis thank you for joining us. i'm going to wear my glasses because i have specific things i want to ask you about. these five officers have been charged with second degree murder in the death of tyre nichols. what's your reaction to these very serious charges? >> well, i expected serious charges. i really did. actually, the charges that were placed -- at least the administrative charges were probably the most severe i've seen in my career but they were abso

>> yes. >> what are we going to see, rodney? >> from the initial encounter -- >> you can't even look that way when he talks about the video. >> i didn't want her -- i didn't want her to see the video or hear the video. it was our attorneys' request that she stay in there as long as she could. she heard one word and had to leave out of the room. and that was when they initially pulled him out of the car, he said, what did i do? >> i knew that's what he said. >> he said, what did i do? why are y'all doing this to me? what did i do? and they proceeded to snatch him out of the car and was trying to wrestle him to the ground. and he got scared. so he was athletic enough to get out of their situation and run. and he was trying to run home, because he was three blocks from the house when they stopped him. so after the initial encounter -- we didn't see everything, because actually when the body cam started, they were already engaged. and then there was the second body cam with the sky cam that got the encounter. and when i saw the poli

lora king is the daughter of rodney king. was beaten by four police officers and it was captured on camera. the officers were acquitted and the incident sparked worldwide outrage and protests against police brutality. lora runs the rodney king foundation and joins us now from orange county, california. hello, lora, thank you for joining us. no doubt, the case of migratory brought back extremely painful memories. tell us about when you heard this story and no doubt, it must�*ve been upsetting. —— tyre. it must've been upsetting. -- t re. ., , , tyre. it was extremely upsetting- _ tyre. it was extremely upsetting- i _ tyre. it was extremely upsetting. i saw - tyre. it was extremely upsetting. i saw the i tyre. it was extremely - upsetting. i saw the picture on social media and i kind of picture the situation was what it was but i scrolled past it very fast and of course, people have started calling and asking so then i did research and it's very disturbing. it's unbelievable, really. ifeel unbelievable, really. i feel like unbe

rodney scott thank you for joining us.ering the presence visit tomorrow at live in the afternoon eastern time here on the fox news channel, thank you. arthel: yes we will, eric. meanwhile the border prices extends beyond texas and arizona britain florida, governor desantis has activated the state's national guard to help with what he calls an alarming search of migrants planning in the florida keys. they're mostly from cuba and other caribbean countries. charles watson live in our southeastern bureau now with more on that, hey charles. >> florida governor desantis signed an executive order that calls on the florida national guard law enforcement and other state agencies to step in and try to help with this stream of migrants that continue to show up along florida's coastline. they use their resources including planes and helicopters that belong to florida's national guard. an increase in marine patrols to try to not only intercept migrants but to ensure the safety of those who are attempting to reach florida. and his annou

rodney wells. [ applause ] >> thank you, everybody, for showing up. i just wanted to say that as mr. crump just stated, i did push for murder one from the beginning. that was my main goal. but as the charges were told to us and they explained to us what the difference between murder one and murder two was, we're very satisfied with the charges. more importantly, we want peace. we do not want any type of uproar. we do not want any type of disturbance, we want peaceful protests, that's what the family wants. that's what the community wants. there are all kind of -- i got a text today from one of my supervisors, about an alert telling her don't be in crowds tonight. we shouldn't have that. we need to do this peacefully. [ applause ] >> the family is very satisfied with the process, with the police chief, the d.a. they acted very, very quickly in this case. we are very, very pleased with that. >> yes. >> other cases drag on but this is a special case. we had a special son. >> that's right. >> that prompted the quickness of this results. so as of the tyre

will: that is what he hears from alejandro mayorkas, rodney.residents of el paso as we did earlier this morning he would hear about yes, the role of ngos when it comes to asylum-seekers but they really pointed out to me the increase in those who do not want to be caught and those seeking refuge with churches in town or wherever it may be but those over here and really coming to do no good, who are causing criminality. >> correct. and just statistically they always exist but the border patrol, over this last year was documenting, which means they saw, they have evidence of about 2,000 crossings aday that they had no one left to respond to. those are the, what they refer to as the got-aways. that is just what they saw. that is where the real threats are. they pay the cartel extra to wait to be in the second wave, those are the huge threats. it is said that alejandro mayorkas is completely just sold out and giving his integrity away for whatever his reasons are. his words cannot be trusted. i'm very much afraid, he will put a lot of protection aro

rodney king was over 30 years ago. and the idea that we're still seeing this type of violence, and you could see the herd type mentality. they were angry and they were going to take it out on him. the last segment you were talking about training. i do believe that training is important. but leadership is important. and i just want to commend the police chief in memphis because she fired the officers immediately. she had them arrested and charged immediately. and that's the signal that needs to go out, because you know, most of the time that's not the case. i mean, we struggle for the video to be released. we struggle for anyone to make a definitive statement. so it's about leadership as well. >> this is the thing that i am thinking about. i think about the laquan alexander case, all these other cases where you have to almost sue police to get the video. it takes, you know, months and months. you can't get the names of the officers. you can't get any information, and you certainly wouldn't have video this quickly upload

king, here's the difference, you were locking at what strikes and movements et cetera rodney king wasso they, that is the officers could put it in context of an expert witness you tell me in looking at the videotape of a defenseness mr. nichols on the ground what movements he was making that would justify the conduct, no immediatesy of danger, such a gross miss proportionality of force, unreasonable conduct and a failure to act i think you can certainly secure a conviction >> it is interesting because elliot just brought up heat of the battle and struggle, one could look at the video and say what battle? what struggle? tyre nichols in the video we saw didn't appear to be putting up almost any resistance and michael i want to put that to you there, just the force that these officers used at least nine blows felt like watching the video, came out of nowhere leaving one to say what are they thinking what could they be thinking as a human being? what did you see. >> i'll tell you what i saw, john, at the outset of that video i saw an intense chaotic situation, i saw police officers trying

and yet, here is rodney, jr.a community where he faces open racism, where he faces harassment from the police, he's on the football team and he hears all sorts of racial epithets thrown around all the time at other people and when he says, hey, i find that offensive. his teammates look at him like he's, you know, half off the beam, saying what are you talking about? we're not talking about you. basically saying you're one of the good ones, you're our teammates, it's these other ones and that's the problem and in addition he's at a school where he constantly feels like he has to tiptoe through raindrops, like watch everything he says and does and when he said he didn't want to go to parties because other people were drinking, not because he was concerned about himself and drinking, but he was worried about being around some of his classmates and drinking and tongues loosened, what are they going to say to him. 's in this difficult box already and then the videos come out, you know, and the memories of people like

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davis, former congressman rodney davis, this is who you lost to, congresswoman mary miller who voted -- you were redistricted and ran against each other and she beat you and now she's voting for jim jordan for speaker. what do you make of that? >> well, i don't think anyone is surprised at anyone in illinois would be surprised by that. we got to take a step back and wonder because it's candidates like her that were supported by former president trump. you know, is former president trump playing both sides of this race right now? i mean, i'd like to think that he will be loyal to kevin with his endorsement but with some of these votes, i got to question that. >> yeah. manu raju, let's go to you now because now we have 16 votes, republican votes against kevin mccarthy, congressman andy biggs just got his ninth vote. that's 16. he can only afford to lose four. manu, what's going to happen? >> it's going in the wrong direction. this was not what they expected several days ago. remember, yesterday it looked like there were about 14 votes, five hard no votes, nine republicans who were skep

thank you to my baby rodney and jasmine. rodney is a product born and raised in san francisco and the fillmore community. i've known him. since he was a kid, and i am so proud of him and the work he's doing in theater in san francisco, and it just goes to show you the people that are being highlighted in addition to the first black woman to become the state comptroller for california, malia cohen, it goes to show you that joaquin is the kind of person who loves to recognize and highlight other people and their extraordinary accomplishments. um he's so well rounded, and many of you didn't know he was an actor. in fact, um, although his wife has taken act into the next level, aquinas decided well. i'll go into politics instead. um, but we're so honored to have him here today. and as malia cohen mentioned before she felt like i was checking a box and usually when you have to make really hard decisions about people to appoint, um there are a lot of stakeholders a lot of people who you seek out for input to make these very hard d

compare rodney king to this, this is horrific. went to great lengths to do forensic type audits. as they did that, they found problems. when i was a chief in detroit, we had one incident involving two officers who engaged in racist behavior at the station. i took a step further. i started to peel back what was going on in that one station, and we found a lot of issues in that station and we had to change our management, supervision, and that is what you have to do. you have to communicate that. a chief can't know all of it but you have to be proactive in addressing these issues. when you look at these officers, tenure plays a role. they engaged in committal activity, and the cowardice shown by the other officers who watched it happen, here we are in 2023. you may not know about the early 90s, rodney king, may not know about george floyd and the impact of that. more likely george floyd. it is shameful those issues are not reinforced doing recruit training. and in-service training. it must continue. rachel: you can do training, but

because unlike with the rodney king video or the george floyd video, this time the police officers in the video were quickly fired and today they were arrested and charged with second degree murder, assault, and kidnapping. will that be enough to calm the community that is demanding justice? and what is seeing violent videos like this do to our national psyche? we have a lot to talk about we also have a lot of news tonight, but let's begin with what's happening tonight in memphis. joining me now, cnn senior crime and justice correspondent shimon prokupecz. he's in memphis. we have chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller here in studio. so, shimon prokupecz. tell us what you have learned on the ground there tonight. >> yeah, so, we're all obviously waiting for this video, we expect to see it tomorrow. but also i think one of the new details we got from the dea today in the press conference that i thought were important. we've been pressing trying to get answers to the timeline. there's a lot of gaps in exactly what happened and we heard for the first time from the da

so i think what happened, last point, and that's it, you could talk about and relate it to rodney kingd rodney king, what they were doing was looking at what strikes and movements, et cetera, that rodney king was making, so that they, that is the officers, could put it in context with an expert will this. you tell me looking at the videotape of a defenseless mr. nichols on the ground, what sort of movements he was making that would justify the conducts. no immediacy of danger. such a gross this proportionality of force being used. completely unreasonable conduct and a failure to act. i think you could certainly secure a conviction under the right set of circumstances. >> it is interesting. elliott just brought up heat of the battle and struggle. one could look at the video and say, what battle, what struggle? tyre nichols, in the video that we saw, didn't appear to be putting up almost any resistance, and michael fanone, i want to put that to you there. just the force that these officers used, at least nine blows. really felt like, watching the video, came out of nowhere there, leaving

it is going to remind you of rodney king in many regards. >> being kicked? >> being assaulted, battered, punched, kicked, tased, pepper sprayed. it is very troubling when you think about tyre only weighs as his family said at most 150 pounds. and so it is hard to watch, alisyn, and especially at the end of the video when he is calling for his mother. he yells out to her three times, and then you never hear tyre nichols say another word anymore on that video. you see him up against a car sitting down in handcuffs and you see his body fall to the right and after a minute or so they put him back upright. then you see his body fall to the left. and they pick him back up and it's obvious he is in distress. you know, he is moaning and nobody renders aid. that is what is so painful because you wanted some ounce of humanity, somebody to say, hey. we got to try to help him. and it never occurs. and that's what is so troubling about the video. >> so, ben, about that, they didn't call for help? they're not doing cpr? i mean, what was going on there? >> i think they did

rodney king survived after that. your thoughts? this is a tragedy all the way around. you have a young man whose life has been taken as a result of beating by five police officers. i have to believe that those five police officers did not wake up and say we're going to go out here and try to kill somebody. but a person died. as a result of that, you have the five police officers that have been charged with second degree murder. trace, they were a part of a specialized unit. the scorpion unit in memphis. that is a unit that has taken a lot of guns and a lot of criminals off of the streets of memphis. they have been successful, but here in this case, trace, you've got to question the training of these officers. >> trace: i want to play this. this is tyre nichols stepfather calling for peace. >> more importantly, we want peace. we do not want any type of uproar. we don't want any type of disturbance. we want peaceful protest. that's what the family wants. that's what the community wants. >> trace: seems like everybody is calling for p

i think my first memory on something like this is rodney king. but it's not just rodney kang, it's amadou do wallows, sean bell, sandra bland, breonna taylor, trayvon martin, it's on and on. it's just a consistent feeling of trauma, and a consistent feeling of terror that i feel as a black man in america. it's a consistent feeling of terror that we feel in the black community at the hands of police departments. you know the issue of police brutality in our country, it's a disease. it's an american disease. just like mass incarceration is an american disease. anti black racism isn't american disease. we'd have to get to the core to cure this disease, if we're going to move forward to stop this from happening again. >> representative rodney king was one of the first -- reported on. we heard about the video, we could not help us, some reporter, think here we go again. divided by 2 to 3 decades. you know, new york, as you know, has had their own incidents with police violence. one of the most famous being the chokehold death of eric garner. another p

and this is where the rodney king place took place. and it seems to me, that all the policing industry really large has learned since rodney king as how to better orchestrated events. it's the magic words to say in addition to when there is a shooting -- i thought he had a gun, i feared for my life -- that generally gets you out of any sort of criminal problem, if you end up killing someone. but show me your hand, stop resisting -- right? and so you see this unit that is clearly designed, like so many similar units around the country, to police certain kinds of people, to keep certain kinds of people controlled, to go after certain kinds of criminal offenses, much of it related, let's say, to the war on drugs, despite the fact that very rich people are now making lots of money selling we'd. so, it's like, we have this sort of bicameral system in america, where there are certain people who are policed, and there are certain people who are served. and you see the very clear distinction between those two groups of people, and what the dif

as soon as rodney asked cc that knee and clicks with him that he could do that to. he takes any and when he does in most of the stories way found there like wow the real story is after he gets taken and he starts feeling like a support dry get stabbed in the back or in the front by teammate or get solidarity and support. are there teachers who papillion the back and tell me john carlos in the hallway, hey is john carlos which happened in some cases or are there concerns that teachers in particular professors are giving bad grades because they object to what you are doing on the sporting field which caused one of the people to transfer out of school because she was absolute convinced that they were trying to push her out through her grades, it must be a nightmare if you think about what that would be to go through that. , rodney went through all the places. and there is two things, one despite he has no regrets whatsoever. he's very proud of what he did. the second thing summer 2020 happens and we have these protest he felt a sense of vindication about being on the r

i remember 32 years ago i led marches around rodney king, this is worse than rodney king. the fact that they were black makes it even more agree just to, me we fought to get blacks on the police force, and for them to behave this way is inexcusable, which is what we are going to stay with us family and demand justice, and policy and legal change. >> professor jelani cobb of the columbia journalist and who was with me last, night he is obviously studied this a great deal, he said studies indicate when you integrate police forces, which is something you have been calling, for others have been calling for for decades, and has been done in some cases, it only marginally reduces the likelihood of violence against black people. he said that was some surprise, why is it only marginal, why is it that black police do not see black people who they treat as somebody sort of who's like them and worthy of empathy, but -- from maryland told me the same thing this morning often that is not how it is regarded. >> they become too -- far the police culture, and the next day they become the

think about all the videos we've seen, martha -- >> back to rodney king. >> rodney king. >> how do you change that culture? >> part of it is you talk about what president biden when he called the parents of tyre nichols -- i asked the president to use this opportunity when america saw that horrific video because we talked to him before the video, to martial back in the united states senate and have senator cory booker, senator schumer put the george floyd justice and policing back on the table, and then talk to leader hakeem jeffries and former house speaker nancy pelosi and have the house also push efforts to get police reform because without federal police reform, i think we're going to continue to see these hashtags proliferate so much, martha, that we can't keep up with them. >> okay. thank you, and we will be talking to dick durbin in just a minute and ask him those very questions. thank you so much. >> thank you, martha. >>> as memphis police department comes under intense scrutiny, we want to bring in apex north carolina police chief jason armstrong. he previously led the police