we are about containing russia. and if we don't start off the truck, the administration started off, not only by preventing a nuclear war by ceasing this attack on russia, but by openly say that we no longer are seeking the strategic defeat of russia. because that's the, that's the, that there is a requirement for going forward. if we continue to pursue a policy that speak 6, the strategic defeat of russia, russian will never sit down at the table with us. why sit down and talk to an enemy, who's trying to defend you? what you need to do, therefore, it is the feet, the enemy, which is what russian is doing on the battlefield. a new, great, david, the way the units being reported that you know, mean what's coming out of the, by the ministration. which of course is trying to make the situation as worse as possible. and that is a new and remarkable achievement of this outgoing failed administration. but essentially what they're doing is they're saying what's have min minutes 3. i mean it's, you know, almost no one know

an extra stipulation for russia. that's a critical words, words matter when you're dealing with russians and russian policy. this is an extra central issue in russia is committed the national survival of russia to this conflict. and they are not going to deal. they are not going to throw it away. anything less than a cheating. the outcome is that they have articulated, which is no nato membership, demilitarization of ukraine, the notification of your grade. anything less than that is a strategic defeat for russia. therefore, unacceptable to russia, in the less needs to understand that, that in pushing russia to this good, remember this conflict didn't begin in february 22. this conflict began well prior to 2014, but it, it took its current form in 2014, and russia has been seeking to avoid this conflict that entire time. what do you think middle one was? what do you think vince 2 was? what do you think the rushing the effort to of to insert draft treaties in december of 2021 while you go? what do you think the 1st ne

some of the important assets in russia. i don't know how much we could have had, but i think it would have made difference at the beginning. but of course, we are where we are now. so move on now to the first, if you like, invasion of ukraine by in the 20th century, 21st century by russia in 2014. so in 2014, putin annexed crimea and then russia begins to support what were called separatists, but were really russian proxies in the eastern part of ukraine and. the obama administration has to respond to that. so i wonder if you could talk about the kinds of sanctions that were imposed then what explains what now appears to be the rather weak obama to this? first, russian incursion into ukraine right. i think it was a really interesting period to explore the economic response to russia's annexation of crimea and the the invasion into the donbass. they were caught very unaware and unprepared and i would say they weren't. there wasn't a deep bench. i would say, in terms of russian expertise. they weren't expecting it. so when it

we are about containing russia. and if we don't start off the truck, the administration started off, not only by preventing a nuclear war by ceasing this attack on russia, but by openly say that we no longer are seeking the strategic defeat of russia. because that's the, that's the, that there is a requirement for going forward. if we continue to pursue a policy that speak 6, the strategic defeat of russia, russian will never sit down at the table with us. why sit down and talk to an enemy who's trying to defeat you? what you need to do therefore is defeat the enemy, which is what russian was doing on the battlefield. a new, great. yeah, i david the way the it's being reported. yeah. you know, mean what's coming out of the, by the ministration, which of course is trying to make the situation is worse as possible. and that is a new and remarkable achievement of this outgoing failed administration. but essentially what they're doing is they're saying what's have min minutes 3. i mean it's, you know, almost no one know

what does it tell us if you is in russia?— does it tell us if you is in russia? . ~ , ., , russia?d and his whereabouts, it _ russia? regarding assad and his whereabouts, it is _ russia? regarding assad and his whereabouts, it is still— russia? regarding assad and his whereabouts, it is still very - whereabouts, it is still very unclear, but russia make sense. the options were very limited for him. iran could have given him some protection, russia could have given protection, but in many ways it makes more sense for iran to see him go to russia rather than turn around, because iran inevitably will want some influence in this region afterwards, and it is not a good look for iran to be giving asylum to a deeply deeply unpopular president who has bombed, tortured and murdered his own civilians for the past 14 years. so, my initial sense is that russia makes some sense, but frankly, assad does not have many options left.— assad does not have many options left. tell us what you know about _ options left. tell us what you know about hts _ options left. tell us what you know about hts and

the transition to capitalism in russia. and all of these companies flooding out of russia as a result of this dramatic and unprecedented invasion of a sovereign country, that this would change things for the foreseeable future. i did not see this ending anytime soon. i had people wondering what would happen when the war ended? i also thought this was an interesting example to look at because we have never imposed sanctions on and -- on an economy as large as russia. the u.s., europe, u.k., japan, and australia represent something like half of the gdp. i thought it was an interesting experiment to examine would it work and how well would it work and if this is a different challenge, then sanctioning north korea or iran, because as you mention, russia is so much more integrated in the global economy. and it would be much harder to impose these sanctions on russia. and i wanted to explore what would be the limits and how it would work particularly because russia as a nuclear power invading a sovereign neighbor, the response re

it's difficult for russia to _ syria? it's difficult for russia to sugar-coatl syria?t is russia to sugar—coat what is happening. effectively this is a blow to russia and russia are's prestige when you consider the resources, the huge amount of resources that russia poured in to trying to make sure that bashar al—assad stayed in power over the last nine years, their financial resources, political resources and of course military resources. russia are intervening in the syrian war intervening in the syrian war in 2015 to shore up assad, that sending thousands of troops and russian air power. keep in mind this intervention by russia was driven by russia's desire to project itself as a global power and to establish itself as the key power in the middle east, a power that could speak to all sides. and what have we seenin to all sides. and what have we seen in recent days? we have seen in recent days? we have seen this project, syria, unravelling for the kremlin in quite dramatic circumstances. so it is a blow and that's reflected by some of their headlines in today's russi

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an extra stipulation for russia. that's a critical words, words matter when you're dealing with russians and russian policy. this is an extra central issue in russia is committed the national survival of russia to this conflict. and they are not going to deal. they are not going to throw it away. anything less than a cheating, the outcomes that they have articulated, which is no nato membership, demilitarization of ukraine, the notification of your train, anything less than that is a strategic defeat for russia. therefore, unacceptable to russia, in the less needs to understand that, that in pushing russia to this good, remember this conflict didn't begin in february 22. this conflict began well prior to 2014, but it, it did to get the card form in 2014, and russia is been seeking to avoid this conflict that entire time. what do you think permits one was? what do you think mintz 2 was, what do you think the rushing the effort to of to insert draft treaties. december of 2021. when you go, what do you think the 1st neg

um, in russia, the russia—ukraine war.s a step that i think should have been taken sooner. uh, and it allows ukraine to better defend itself. i don't think, as secretary austin has said, the current secretary of defence, i don't think it's a so—called game changer that's going to turn the tide in the war for for ukraine. but it's certainly a step in the right direction. is there anything else that president biden can do between now and inauguration day to help ukraine? uh, well, as i understand it, they are continuing to push out equipment and other resources that have been authorised by congress. of course, the new administration, uh, can, you know, can countermand any orders that haven't, haven't been fulfilled. i think we should be focussed on convincing the trump administration that the best policy for the united states, for us— national security, is to oppose russian aggression. uh, we talk about support for ukraine, and i understand it. and i am as big a supporter of ukraine as you're going to find. but in phrasing w

what would be acceptable to russia? maybe if you had as many nuclear weapons, what would be acceptable with china, will it have as many nuclear weapons. but that wouldn't be acceptable to us. once you start the three-way arms race, i don't see an easy way out of this. so for all of these reasons, my advice to the new administration is just don't do it. it is literally, there are so many things in nuclear policy where factors are way behind our control but when it comes to choosing an arms race that we can decide not to take part in and choose not to do an arms race. earlier in this administration, secretary of defense said nuclear deterrence is not a numbers' game. i wish d.o.d. listened to their leader because he is 100% right and my advice is just don't start an arms race, it's not worth it. if we maintain a safe, secure and reliable deterrent, we don't need to build more. >> thank you james, madeleine and adam. we just have a couple of questions from the audience and i encourage you those who have a thought, please p

russia has been a catalyst.ooking forward some of the key question will be how do we get challenge and what role should russia play? one of the important dynamics is the risk that comes as a result of russia's willingness the more russia campaigns more the same so it will only rise. and it will shape and influence the nature of tomorrow. >> russia had been successful assassinating lackluster response to the u.s. difference photos of the feast is roughly ten days the arsons they are killed. they come article four and there is lackluster slots. as you said, this will be a key challenge moving forward. there's a lot more to think about in terms of how we respond. the axis of the way, they can this. and in the return. in the russia china relations 2022 look forward to understand that could evolve. it is what we could imagine russia would be willing to do given the nature of technology. we have to think both as a icebreaker and paving the past. in ways that is increasing military capabilities and adversaries and the

what you think russia would do with him? it is unclear at _ russia would do with him?don't know. they... also, i don't know. they... also, i don't think a certain he can't go back to syria unless he is going to go back to prison. that should be something that the discussion about assad should take place in the future but i think the bottom line is they still offered him asylum. they still offered him protection. the assad family controlled syria with an iron fist, for 53 years. president bashar al—assad took power in 2000, after his father had been in control since the 1970s. jeremy bowen, has more on the family dynasty, that was once all powerful, and ruthless against its enemeies. hayat tahrir al—sham inherited the regime when his father died in 2000. 30 blood the regime when his father died in 2000.30 blood since the regime when his father died in 2000. 30 blood since seizing power, he jailed anyone who threatened his will. after he buried him, syrians hoped bashar al—assad, trained as a doctor in london, would reform and modernise the country. so did tony blair, an

. . . ., ., in russia.a. yaroslav trofimov, thank you for _ in russia. yaroslav trofimov, thank you for being _ in russia. yaroslav trofimov, thank you for being with - in russia. yaroslav trofimov, thank you for being with us. | peter dickinson, editor of ukrainealert at the atlantic council. thank you for being on the programme tonight. clearly the motivation here is obvious, they are trying to demoralise those on whom the war directly depends, and you would think it is creating some paranoia within the general command. absolutely, the idea here is to send a very clear message to everyone in the hierarchy of russia, the political hierarchy or military hierarchy, that you are not safe, these attacks took place fairly centrally in the heart of moscow about a very senior member of the military so it does not get much higher than that. so they r clearly indicates into the russians that they will be held to account. ukraine is not going to wait for some long—winded international tribunals, they are going to ex

we cannot defeat russia. not just russia. you want ukraine alone to defeat russia, north korea and china? the whole western nations together. this is why i believe in ukrainian victory. let's choose victory and not talk. i will tell my daughter the west is credible. thank you. [applause] >> i do not envy you to speak so passionately. [laughter] you are here representing the most important member of nato. the biggest supporter of ukraine military efforts. what would you say about the definition of victory? the role your country can play in this war? >> thank you for the opportunity to visit with all of our allies. i appreciate the comments that have been made already. the concerns all of you have expressed. let me back up a little bit. i served as governor of south dakota for eight years. there was not a year that went by in which during that time we were not at war. i went to 31 funerals. i remember those funerals and i remember the hurt that everyone of those families had. you cannot take away the hurt. you can let them know

what would be acceptable to russia? maybe if you had as many nuclear weapons, what would be acceptable with china, will it have as many nuclear weapons. but that wouldn't be acceptable to us. once you start the three-way arms race, i don't see an easy way out of this. so for all of these reasons, my advice to the new administration is just don't do it. it is literally, there are so many things in nuclear policy where factors are way behind our control but when it comes to choosing an arms race that we can decide not to take part in and choose not to do an arms race. earlier in this administration, secretary of defense said nuclear deterrence is not a numbers' game. i wish d.o.d. listened to their leader because he is 100% right and my advice is just don't start an arms race, it's not worth it. if we maintain a safe, secure and reliable deterrent, we don't need to build more. >> thank you james, madeleine and adam. we just have a couple of questions from the audience and i encourage you those who have a thought, please p

uh, how much can russia invest? the answer is, well, it certainly has some resources to invest into syria. in other words, russia is resource constrained because of its war in ukraine. but it is not yet desperate. and the serial operation from the very beginning by the crime one's own design was always limited. it was meant to be limited up. so in theory, the kremlin has some assets, air assets, it can give to a saw. the question is, how long is this going to go? what would be the logistics involved? that there's so many listen me, unforeseen potential consequences. and, and so the, the answer, the short answer is yes. they have something to give. but how, how, how, how, how much will it matter and that, that remains to be seen. certainly, i would say pollutants credibility here is on the line right now. all right, and does the fact that the militants were able to capture a level so quickly that the serial 2nd biggest city does not show that moscow really is unable to help aside? well, it certainly is a set back it'

when you refer to russia, you don't refer it as russia but putin. are there any places within russia where putin could now be influenced? sanctioning of oligarchs hasn't worked, democratic enforcements have not worked. the elites of st. petersburg and moscow keeping their children out of military haven't worked. how could putin be influenced within russia, if at all? liana: we have a few more minutes for this question. mr. poroshenko: this is a very important question. personal, sectoral, all means that the civilized world has in their hands. by the way, if it is the war for ukraine or if it is the war including china. i have only one answer. what is the criteria of the function? not the number of pages we have on the table the ambassador has played a great role. take one criteria. this criteria is volume of russian exports. if russian experts -- exports in 2022 was how much? $600 billion. with the enormous high price. what is the purpose? we need to have the volume of russian exports below $200 billion. otherwise he will have a real problem inside

we are about containing russia. and if we don't start off the truck, the administration started off, not only by preventing a nuclear war by ceasing this attack on russia, but by openly saying that we no longer are seeking the strategic defeat of russia. because that's the, that's the, that there is a requirement for going forward. if we continue to pursue a policy that speak 6, the strategic defeat of russia, russian will never sit down at the table with us. why sit down and talk to an enemy, who's trying to defend you? what you need to do, therefore, it is defeat the enemy, which is what russian is doing on the battlefield. a new, great, david, the way the it's being reported that, you know, mean what's coming out of the, by the ministration. which of course is trying to make the situation as worse as possible. and that is a new and remarkable achievement of this outgoing failed administration. but essentially what they're doing is they're saying what's have min minutes 3. i mean it's, you know, almost no one know

um, in russia, the russia—ukraine war.h, it was a step that i think should have been taken sooner. uh, and it allows ukraine to better defend itself. i don't think, as secretary austin has said, the current secretary of defence, i don't think it's a so—called game changer that's going to turn the tide in the war for for ukraine. but it's certainly a step in the right direction. is there anything else that president biden can do between now and inauguration day to help ukraine? uh, well, as i understand it, they are continuing to push out equipment and other resources that have been authorised by congress. of course, the new administration, uh, can, you know, can countermand any orders that haven't, haven't been fulfilled. i think we should be focussed on convincing the trump administration that the best policy for the united states, for us— national security, is to oppose russian aggression. uh, we talk about support for ukraine, and i understand it. and i am as big a supporter of ukraine as you're going to find. but in ph

after all, russia, russia's intervention in the syrian war was driven to a large extent by russia's desireup assad, was seen as a way of challenging the west, and now in a matter of days, this kremlin— syria project has unraveled in dramatic circumstances. i think that russia's priority note will be the fates of its two main military bases in syria, one air base, which had given russia and would hold in the eastern mediterranean. meanwhile, tonight, russian state television is telling russians this, this tv stud, quit or of course, we are not indifferent to what is happening in syria, but our priority is russia's own security in the zone of the special military occupation, washer —— russia's war in ukraine". that language, we are not indifferent to what is happening in syria, ifound it quite extraordinary in russia, culture which for years has done possible to keep assad in power but has failed. steve rosenberg there. there has been reaction from leaders and officials around the world. the un security council says it will hold closed consultations on syria on monday, at russia's request. m

okay, so they've pummeled russia. russia is the most function of country in the world, and yet the economy is doing great. it's not just surviving. is thriving. a lot of people are saying you're just high enough is next. china is somewhere in the future, across has of america. is there any truth to that, nelson? and i don't really believe so because i think at the european leaders and, you know, some of the new columns in the, in, in the us are still trying to push the envelope and trying to, uh, you know, to scare people were away as they tried to cross the roger which now they realize it's. busy almost impossible. and then uh they started giving up the warning that the china, china will be the next. and was all the building up of patients in the south side of china. see across the taiwan strait. uh, they're trying to present the inmates that china is the party that is, you know, farming the regional stability but come all this is not true, but they're so the don't like, yeah, exactly. the reality is not like this. i think you're absolutely right nelson, but it's what about narrative, qui

this is russia, we didn't move here to be canadians in russia. we came here to be russian. that is our desire. the family came here to into great to become russian. so what plans do they have for this farm? we're working on building a workshop here right now, or we can fix our equipment and also work on projects in the winter time. and then there also be a portion in there for some animals right now. the hope is to build a barn over there for the animals that don't like winter beef cattle be fine out here. the climate is almost milder than what we're used to in canada. so these cattle just stay outside the family of already quin crop since the summer showing off base successes with various vegetables in the even now the winter is here. this still producing literally millions of acres of land just sitting there noah's doing anything with as well. maybe most people coming maybe. yeah, yeah. i think there will be, i know there is actually there's more families on the way here. what would you say? welcome to russian. yeah, i encourage them to integrate and i encourage them also

you've been in russia's war against ukraine. so talk a lot of those just a day before he was killed. so she knew carol off was charged in up, sent to you by ukrainian court for russia's use of band chemical weapons in ukraine . and he had also been sanctioned by britain for using chemical weapons on the battlefield. aust philip, but she leaped scheme direct off the foreign policy research institute center for the study of intelligence and non traditional wolf or wire that you created in secret service. would want to kill eguard cut it off. i believe the purpose behind the killing of lieutenant general new york, your life and his military assistant for the ukrainians is to hold the russian officials accountable for violate violating the laws of our conflict. uh, we should remember just last month, the russian navy captain, who ships and fired missiles at civilian targets and ukraine was blown up in his car in crime you. in the case of general carol, you crate accused him of breaking the chemical weapons convention that russia is

but for the west, they need a strategic defeat of russia, which russia is denying. and that's the dilemma jim. well, i was going to say, look, when they invoke means, i think what they want to do is minutes, 3 or minutes before i think they think they can get the russians to go along with them on the basis of oh, that was buttons full that were there for, we'll be really good guys, we'll keep our word this time. you know, and i think you, i agree with you. i agree, but i, i, that's what they're going to go for. i agree. and unless they get that, if the fresher ends up with the 4 o less than premier and neutralize nato, everybody's going to know who won whatever word they went, they use, they use or not. and the europeans for 3 years have been saying we cannot allow that to happen or it's a loss. yeah. i see but, but, but, but, but jim, that is get an idea of logical choice. ok. it's not a real list choice. i mean, you know, i was a trained to story and up until 1945 great powers. sometimes what a war sometimes said loss. okay. that's still, you know, that's what hap

petersburg, russia right now my 1st time, and it's probably the coldest day since i've arrived in russia. i am feeling it to my bones right now. the pills are due to a tough how you doing more? here's the role of the frozen as well. you. it's a motor on so you can feel anything. oh no you came. i think you brought this weather with you man. yeah, i'm not good either. so i don't know to go back and tell me a little bit about yourself. like, uh, what, what made you decide to come to russia? i received this island and so far as i know in the next man, if there's no to get it. and that's american, the us embassies and 4 countries that come after me in this wild. and so we have a couple of theories, the one that most people come to me 1st like, oh, there's just a bunch of bureaucratic mistakes, but there's no way they rate it. our house in 2002 in cyprus. they have a huge file on my wife. they've interrogated me, they visited me and vote here in prison. personally as the i came, they tried to make deals. and also the microsoft. i covered middle east and africa and i had several intelligence a

it's military, industrial base of the west as russia has. of course, i reciprocated by sending fiber jets. it was way, i think it was quest in missile defense and space technology. meanwhile, north korea is set to be saved, rank fuel and funding from russia to boost its manufacturing and military prowess about china. are there receiving our russian expertise with both nations teaming up to run pop, military tech cooperation? i. so this seems to be drawing americas i or i just last week. he wants national security advisor, jake, solve, and voice his jitters over this burgeoning conversions among these 4 nations. how do you answer critics to say this alliance of the bad guys? it has actually gotten tighter and, you know, and in a way um, more solidified under the semester a lot. look, i think there is no doubt that there is increasing alignment among these 4 actors. and why has this happened? it is not happened because these countries are so strong, it has happened out of necessity because these countries are under pressure. rush under pressur

this is my 4th trip to russia. so that is the place where we discussed many issues of cooperation with the pin number for the interaction starting that into started growing. and finally, if you're able to invite to mr wallet in the garden, to speak of, on the 24th of december, 2017, to bug this time. for the 1st speakers conference, now you lost me. what did the 1st speakers conference? it was an idea that i had going, this was regarding how to count the dentist as i'm collectively, and connectivity for security and size things are discussed. so that is we are started, sky the limit for the bottom if, if they started working together, that means the people of these countries wouldn't be discussing the issues, the parliament can support the russian duma. if they want to facilitate. i think that can be an instrument and we can put you in touch with the ministry of education, the ministry of health and other related minutes silver. and the sees with a lot of interest is so we can put them together, we can form and the

the wall so saying, proclaims russia was to become colin's new world, such as the conquest of russia. it was compared to the discovery of america, with its people sharing the faith of indigenous tribes. the polish king no longer needs the treacherous boys. then he sent some new condition is far from the original agree, tons. the owner of russia should convert to catholicism. polish nobles will occupy state posts and he gets more into subs that comes to suffering regions. you will refer to us by you to go away. so you will see a lot of dietrich this most that. so i don't want to see if you want to put in your c o. c there stokes. i did too much korea. so some of these are cool. no pro, force coordinates. that's a deer that isn't that, but you know the voice to consequence of what it was mailed change meaning and then the principal shanaski who had to solve the issue with the intervention is settled in the kremlin. the antonio russian rose up against the coals. russians comics, taught us body and bush tiers loaded fields and food. modes, totals are expelled. the country awaits those eps

let's zoom out _ compare them to russia? let's zoom out a _ compare them to russia?t a little _ compare them to russia? let's zoom out a little bit. _ compare them to russia? let's zoom out a little bit. the - zoom out a little bit. the important facts are we are about to go into the third year of the war, february 20 for the third anniversary, and there are things that are different now — parity between russia and ukraine in terms of shells. before the russians, a year ago if we were talking i would have been complaining the ukrainians don't have shells. it was five to one russia to ukraine, seven to one russia to ukraine, seven to one, eight to one but things are different now and there is parity with shells and attack drones. however, russia seems to have the momentum on their side and definitely making progress. it is very slow and incremental but they are making progress. ukraine has a very big problem with manpower and it is trying to address this problem but has not sufficiently done that, especially on the infantry side. ., ., side. one month left of presiden

russia is paying iran for its help in the war. russia is at this moment deploying against ukraine through the shahed drones, missiles. and iran is getting money for that and that money is being used to prop up hamas and other proxies in the middle east and to steer conflict even beyond the middle east. so all of this is getting more and more connected in the pacific, the atlantic and what is happening in the middle. therefore, that visit of the king of jordan was extremely important, but obviously nato is not involved in providing security directly. as my predecessor said, we cannot end every conflict or be active in every theater, but we are very much involved in a sense. for example, we are helping out a number of countries in developing their defense capabilities. >> thank you. i will go to reuters, over there. >> thank you, secretary general rutte. president-elect donald trump said in august of that he would insist that every nato ally spend at least 3% of gdp on defense. he called 2% the steel of the century. you visited pres

the russia is a game with junky, and prussia provokes poland into breaking ties with russia. but it's a perilous union under which poland must give up condensed control to prussia. prussia now poses a threat to russia. some further petition to poland becomes inevitable. look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings accept. we're such orders at conflict with the 1st law show your mind, anticipation. we should be very careful about our personal intelligence. the point obviously is to makes a trust rather than to the various. i mean with artificial intelligence we have summoning the theme and the robot most protects his phone existence was on the 1793. russia around prussia sign a convention that's been approved by the polar st. russia it receives historical orthodox lands. the eastern box of police. yeah. but go yeah. the brochure takes lands inhabited by goals. good. i'm going to poland. co you of you and most of the, the, although most of the great opponent lands go to prussia, the poles and orang

how do you remain dependent on russia? i'm not saying you want to be, but you are dependent on it at the same time of trying laws. i mean i, i just even don't know how you would manage that g o politically and from an economic perspective. how is that going and are, you know, how are you making progress in cutting off that dependency? so the current government made a clear decision right off the full scale invasion of who quite and as we look good with all the defendants in russian hodges. and i guess we'll solve, we have some capacity terminals in germany and lands. we can get the g and we will get rid of the russian oil next year. so there is no contradiction. you don't want to be dependent on someone who wants to have luxury. you at the same time, do you fear it will a kind strategic contraction of us commitments around the world that one of the things i think president trump represents is a frustration of a lot of americans. that somehow they play a security guarantor in the world. but china has come out, ending up a w