and a man like snowden, this could, from what he did. we never know. this could come them from -- come from what he did. --elieve in my heart [indiscernible] we would not have leaks. host: his were at nsa and these are cia that wikileaks. edward snowden commenting on twitter yesterday. " the wall street journal" about this new dump. he said still working through the publication but what leak -- wikileaks has looks authentic is what edward snowden said. getting your thoughts. mike in virginia, a republican. caller: good morning. i have spent a lot of time watching the news the last 24 i am one ofning -- these people that tries to consume news from liberal media and conservative media but because i think it is important to find out what everybody is theing about and not just side i like. i will tell you something that the conservative media was on yesterday and i have not heard it this morning on in pr or it is -- npr or anybody calling into c-span. one of the things that came in is not onlys dump does the cia have the ability to do all of these things w

point talking about the breaches we had today with manning, snowden and now the cia. it has been about losing data. that really hurts and it hurts the capabilities of our intelligence community. it also points out that on the cyber battlefield american does not appear to dominate the same way it dominated the traditional battlefield with smart bombs and those types of things, stealth bombers. on the traditional battlefield america is the best in the world and no one disputes it. russia and china, they are challenges that we are better than they are. on the cyber battlefield we have to deal with people like iran which is a threat to us. they are very good on the cyber battlefield here in israel, which is an ally, they are good on the cyber battlefield. and people like north korea nonstate actors like isis. they are not as good overall insider cyber but they may have very specific areas where they are good. the point you make is something i worry about very much. cyber is the wild, wild west. there are no rules about what people may do to each other and yes, they can co

some calling it more damaging to the united states than anything edward snowden, that story will make you shut off your phone and turn off your tv. >> reporter: it is frightening, devastating blow to the intelligence community was wikileaks releasing and 8000 page classified document sending shockwaves through the cia. those documents show the hacking capacity of the agency meaning specific programs and a manual on how to use them, the data revealing malware programs developed a target iphones, android phones, smart tvs turning them to listening devices even when they are turned off. >> samsung was one they were listed on. they wouldn't put the power light on. within, being monitored without their knowledge. it is great spy utility, that is what they are doing. >> intelligence expert sounding the alarm calling the leaks worse than ed snowden. retreating to exile in russia. ed snowden tweeting, quote, working for the publication but at wikileaks has here is a genuinely big deal, looks authentic. why is this dangerous? any hacker can use a security hole, the cia left open to break any i

snowden is in russia, of course, now. what sort of -- there are different things going on here but u.s. intelligence is being compromised in various ways. you -- what comparison would you make? greg: right. so there are similarities and differences, if we take wikileaks at its word, it appears to have another snowden-type contractor out there, providing lots of secret information to wikileaks. are some differences. so the snowden revelations had immediate political repercussions and fallout in large part because they were surveillanceive programs in which millions of americans' communications were swept up. so that was -- there was an immediate reaction, a visceral thation from the public, may not come here because these of much more narrow kind operations that the agency is conducting and there's nothing that we've seen in these files indicate thatuld any of it is being used against u.s. citizens. roger: aren't these revelations more gratuitous? in the case of snowden, you can argue and many have, that this, in the end,

morrell. >> how would you compare this to snowden?s edward snowden. >> that big? >> this is huge. in terms of what it will tell the adversaries, and we'll have to essentially start over in building tools to get information from our adversaries, just like we did with snowden. >> reporter: there is no suggestion in the documents that these tools were being used against americans. scott, the cia is not commenting on the data, nor would it confirm its authenticity. >> jeff pegues for us tonight. thank you, jeff. >>> firefighters tonight are attacking explosive wildfires that are tearing through kansas, oklahoma, texas, and colorado. at least six people have died. more than a million acres have burned, and thousands have been forced from their homes. david begnaud is on the fire line. >> repr: wildfires are sweeping across four states in the southern plains. heavy winds and dry brush are making these fires harder to contain, even with help from the air. drew baily is with the u.s. forestry. what's making it so hard to contain? >> the extre

they certainly regrouped after the snowden revelations. >> cohen: greg, thank you very much. cohen: the forms of civic education is, has perhaps never been so crucial to our democracy. politicians often accuse one another of violating the constitution, but surveys show americans have little understanding of the founding document. a, annenberg public policy center survey found out a quarter of americans could name all three branches of government. joining me now are two people who are determined to change that statistic. kathleen hall jamieson, joins from washington. she is the director of the annenberg public policy center of the university of pennsylvania. here in new york is robert katzmann. he serves it is a chief judge on the second circuit court of appeals. two years ago, he launched a circuit wide civic education initiative, justice for all, courts and the community. i am pleased to have both of them on this program. welcome. >> thank you. >> judge, i think a lot of people have woken up and thought, gosh, the constitution, the supreme law of the country, that is really

i'm concerned about this. >> i'm not a fan of edward snowden because i think he should come back andface the music. i'm starting to wonder is it really broken or can i just not watch it. i agree with everything mercedes said that there has to be some sort of balance between protecting our privacy and giving government and intelligence agencies the tools to get the bad guy. >> that's an easy thing to say. there has to be, where is the balance.ç >> here's the problem. we developed the technology and then we have technology to supersede that. it's going to be constant game to perpetuate that. to some extent i don't know there is a balance you can create. >> lisa, two things scare the heck out of me. when the fbi director james comay said he puts tape over his camera on his computer and then you see mark zuckerberg, the founder of facebook doing the same thing. these are people who should have the best security and they are worried about people hacking into their computer. >> it's very scary. i think we should also be concerned that the information and the way the cia conducts the busin

i'm going to disagree on what snowden did because snowden did open up -- he did expose what the nsa wasamericans, trying to go after some. >> greg: he wasn't involved in that arena. >> eric: he was a whistleblower, in my opinion. >> juan: you know why the russians just extended his stay? i think the russians -- >> eric: what the nsa was doing is clearly, clearly illegal. >> juan: but snowden had no business -- >> eric: nothing illegal. so far what we've read with these leaks, none of it -- >> lisa: it would be a 10-year penalty if greg and bill o'reilly were in charge. >> kimberly: we have a series of national security breaches in the country, people like chelsea manning, edward snowden, hillary clinton with improperly caring for her server. i don't see distinction between these people in terms of the fact that they were reckless with our national security. they were reckless with highly sensitive intelligence and materials, and none of that should be excused across the board. >> eric: he was exposing something the nsa was doing illegally to americans. >> greg: i have to disagree with y

this is cia's edward snowden, this is huge.rms of what it will tell the adversaries, then we will essentially have to start over in building tools to get information from our adversaries just like we did with snowden. these leaks, if real, are a stunning blow to the cia and an embarrassment to their british counterparts. the spies are where they do not want to be, out in the open. jonny dymond, bbc news. i spoke with our security correspondent frank gardner. the cia have not confirmed it and they probably never will, but the experts say that and knowledge are used can only be used by insiders and it has come from somebody inside who has either hacked it or leaked it. it is very damaging for them because for the second time in less than five yea rs, the second time in less than five years, not just the the second time in less than five years, notjust the us, but the entire western intelligence community, usa, britain, australia, new zealand and canada, they share a lot of intelligence, and for the second time in five years they

leaker edward snowden, former c.i.a. acting director michael morrell. >> how would you compare this to snowden? >> this is c.i.a.'s edward snowden. >> that big? >> this is huge. in terms of what it will tell the adversaries, and we'll have to essentially start over in building tools to get information from our adversaries, just like we did with snowden. >> reporter: there is no suggestion in the documents that these tools were being used against americans. scott, the c.i.a. is not commenting on the data, nor would confirm its authenticity. >> pelley: jeff pegues for us tonight. thank you, jeff. firefighters tonight are attacking explosive wildfires that are tearing through kansas, oklahoma, texas, and colorado. at least six people have died. more than a million acres have burned, and thousands have been forced from their homes. david begnaud is on the fire line. wildfires are sweeping across four states in the southern plains. heavy winds and dry brush are making these fires harder to contain, even with help from the air

do you think edward snowden is right?” think edward snowden is right?”icate topic. there is no doubt that in withholding tolerability that begs eve ryo ne withholding tolerability that begs everyone must say. it'sjust withholding tolerability that begs everyone must say. it's just a question of intelligence game versus intelligence lost. we've heard retired figures from the intel community attacking younger operatives, who they feel have lea ked operatives, who they feel have leaked this material and wikileaks we re leaked this material and wikileaks were appointing themselves dodge and jewellery, deciding to let this material out to the public a p pa re ntly material out to the public apparently without consideration for the consequences. are you aware of a different attitude these days among people who are seeing stuff go across their desk that concerns them and disturbs them and feeling almost and disturbs them and feeling almost a moral obligation to put it out there? without a doubt we are seeing bat and that's notjust in government, we also see tha

the real story is i think this is worse than snowden. it's one thing to disclose names and places and even operations, but once you are describing the sources and methods, that's the key to what we do. you've got to wonder, all the energy we spend on the vetting of, i don't know, yemeni nationals trying to get into the country, ought we not be spending more of our time and effort on the vetting of contractors? snowden was a contractor for nsa. presumably this person or persons or contractors for cia. this i think it is greatest weakness. a.b. is right. we could have lost a decade. i will command the cia for one thing: their creativity in codenames. on bridge is a beauty. >> bret: we should point out that u.s. intelligence officials tell james james rosen they hah tech security measures they are trying to figure out how that was breached. let's take a listen to sean spicer answering a question about the presidents talk about wiretapping. >> he's sitting on information he found out, now directing or asking or recommending the intelligence

snowden tweeted that he thought the leak was real. questions about exactly how secure the central intelligence agency really is. earlier i spoke to jake williams. he used to be a hacker for the us government, hacking other governments and organisations to gain intelligence for the us. he now works at the security firm he founded, rendition infosec, and he's been been reading through a number of the wikileaks documents. everything that we've read to date about the dumps so far seems to point to the fact that they are authentic. some of the conversations are the types of conversations and documents that only somebody doing nationstate hacking would be interested in. what's your biggest take away from them? has the cia done anything illegal as far as you're concerned? in the current dumps that we've seen they wouldn't necessarily be anything illegal, but one of the things we saw is the fact that there is a lot of research into actively bypassing security programmes, like antivirus and firewall. yes. edward snowden suggests that this show

this came a few years after the revelations by edward snowden, a former nsa contractor. that is different from what we're seeing with the c.i.a. leak. it's technical and software to get into it. snowden revealed how the national security agency had the ability and was looking at communication records of millions of americans, many not even suspected of a crime. so i think the more that hour world go goes online and goes into this digital age all around us, down to our cars, even our -- some refrigerators are connected to the internet in some weird way, that is just a reminder that there's cracks in all of these things and it's a matter of the government, the same organization to pass those leaks. >> shepard: fbi comey got a question on this. comforting? >> the general principles, there's no such thing as absolute privacy in america. there is no place in america outside of judicial reach. that's the bargain. >> the whole point raised in the debate after the snowden disclosures and after the obama administration had about getting access to en scripted devices. once it's lo

>> this is cia's edward snowden. >> that big? >> this is huge.n terms of what it will tell the adversaries, and we'll have to essentially start over in building tools to get information from our adversaries, just like we did with snowden. >>> while republicans continue to bicker over how to repeal and replace the affordable care act, the white house is ready to cut a deal with planned parenthood. the president says he's ready to fund the group if it stops providing abortions. anna werner has the story. >> reporter: planned parenthood clinics like this one in washington, d.c. provide reproductive health care services for women like norah franco. >> it does make me very angry when i hear about politicians sort of looking to defund an organization that does so much good for so many women. >> reporter: 1 in 5 women in the use have visited a planned parenthood clinic. >> a rot of people go to planned parenthood for just one reason. >> the flu shot. >> controlling asthma. >> reporter: the vast majority of health services, 97%, range from preventing unp

edward snowden, manning, and julian assange -- whoever has done this need to be shot. ont: wikileaks released cachey that massive c of data. against the need to protect national security. that is our focus on this sunday morning. let us go to denny, it joining us from bluefield, west virginia. >> i have a couple of points to make. corrupt asi has been far back as anyone can remember and they have been caught law.tedly violating the blackmaileder people and encouraged martin luther king to commit suicide. to keep hime files in power for years the aunt the normal retirement age. they have shot several hundred -- 700 odd people over the years in investigations. the investigate the shootings themselves and low and behold, every single shooting was justified. they never once made a mistake. second point, after 911, they expanded so rapidly into the surveillance zone that if you go to fort meade, the home of the nsa, nine out of every 10 employees are now private contractors. and they even subcontracted the process of giving people a security clearance. and the company that

snowden disclosed how we collect and who is being, angela merkel, others who were being eavesdropped upon. this is actually the code, the blueprint, the tools for how we do it. >> there appears to be a lot of technical information here. i think it remains to be seen just how damaging it is. wikileaks made some big claims but again they are part of the propaganda arm of the russian federation and others so we should take their claims with a grain of salt. i think only time will tell about how damaging this really was. >> this could be russia through wikileaks trying to say that we are really vastly weakened that we've been penetrated when in fact it's not that bad? >> i believe intelligence community analysts will look carefully at the russian connection and let's be honest, andrea, this didn't drop out of the clear blue sky. this happened in context. it happened during a season here in washington in which the russian connection is much being discussed, there's a lot in the news about russia and the way they tried to undermine our election and it begs the question about whether this i

with snowden, we've had movies about him, he's been glamorized. everything i've heard of him, this was a spur of the moment decision, had a massive ego, thought he was smarter tha he was. to a lot comes down to the personality and a lot comes down to egos. egos can be clearly manipulative. >> regardless of how they got the information, what is the motive? is it just to cede this doubt, this discomfort among americans with their own intelligence agencies, to feel like the government can spy on them? >> absolutely. i mean, that's part of it. now, to take it one step above that, what is -- russia, for example. when russia launches intelligence operations, they look for nonattribution. that is to say if their operation is compromised, that the country of origin cannot be clearly identified. wikileaks provides a perfect vehicle for them to attack us through propaganda without us easily being able to point the finger directly at russia. we all assume it's russia but it's going to be very, very difficult to actually trace the line back from wikileaks to

worse than snowden.wden releasing individuals u this is worse because it's releasing the technique of how it's done. brian: what we actually garnered. last thing i because we have to get to obamacare and what's left of it and what isn't. two things, how did it happen number one and number two is they talked about how america collects malware from other countries to make it look as though if somebody is hacked they might blame somebody else. a lot of people on the trump camp say for those of how are jumping to the conclusion that it's russia hacking ourselves there are methods and practices out there to leave somebody else's fingerprints at the scene of the crime. ainsley: talk about obamacare. first phase was released on monday. the president gave a strong endorsement of repeal and replace obamacare. he supports it and he hopes it passes quickly. listen to what he said. >> i'm proud to support the replacement plan released by the you house of representatives. this will be a plan where you can choose your

>> well, my thoughts on edward snowden are pretty well known.ited states, sold our national security secrets to china and russia and lives in a little apartment in moscow has time to talk about the management practices of the cia. at the end of the day, it's not the cia's job to alert apple and amazon to these kind of problems. the job of the cia is to protect americans from harm. and that's what they do. we should be very proud of the job they do. the issue here goes back as i said to the technology companies and what they're doing to plug these holes. they've known about them for years and years. they've chosen not to do anything. >> sandra: you're calling on them to do more. we just heard from sean spicer at the white house press briefing. he said the president has grave concerns about the release of the cia info by wiki leaks. he did say they're not commenting on the current situation. but when asked about assange and whether he should be in prison, he said the u.s. has a position, i don't think that has changed. he all said assange has harm

edward snowden who knows a thing or two about lea ks has edward snowden who knows a thing or two aboutks has posted online, still working through the publication but what wikileaks has here is genuinely a big deal. he says it looks authentic, although we should emphasise, we are not able to confirm that is the case. as we a lwa ys confirm that is the case. as we always do at this time, let's bring up always do at this time, let's bring up the bbc‘s anthony zurcher live from washington, dc. edward snowden says it is a big deal, is that the thought in washington? there is concern that it has revealed techniques the cia has used to gather intelligence through electronic means such as hacking and trojan horses and malware, and also taking advantage of existing floors in technological devices like iphones —— flaws. and even cars and apps you might have around your house, the television connected to the internet. these are all methods this eia developed and now they are being revealed. interestingly the obama administration said that whenever they came across a pre—existing problem or a weak

start over in building tools to get information from our adversaries just like we did with snowden. >> no suggestion in the documents these tools were used against americas. congress is gearing up to battle over the republican plan to repeal and place the affordable care act. the proposal offers tax credits to help low and middle income americans buy insurance. keeps protections for those with preexisting conditions and children can remain on the parents plan till 26 >> this will be a plan where you can choose your doctor and plan. this is a tax cut for the wealth. leaving subsidies. that sounds like obamacare light to me. >> republicans indicated this is the only the first step and more legislature action would be required to allow things like selling insurance across state lines. >>> the house intelligence committee announced hearings on russian interference in the presidential election and intelligence leaks will take place march 20th. james comey will be among those testifying. lawmakers will investigate his claims he ordered wiretapping during the presidential election. more in

start over in building tools to get information from our adversaries just like we did with snowden. >> no suggestion in the documents these tools were used against americas. congress is gearing up to battle over the republican plan to repeal and place the affordable care act. the proposal offers tax credits to help low and middle income americans buy insurance. keeps protections for those with preexisting conditions and children can remain on the parents plan till 26 >> this will be a plan where you can choose your doctor and plan. this is a tax cut for the wealth. leaving subsidies. that sounds like obamacare light to me. >> republicans indicated this is the only the first step and more legislature action would be required to allow things like selling insurance across state lines. >>> the house intelligence committee announced hearings on russian interference in the presidential election and intelligence leaks will take place march 20th. james comey will be among those testifying. lawmakers will investigate his claims he ordered wiretapping during the presidential election. more in

the person who leaked the sense of classified information as they search for the next manning or snowdenwe'll be joined by james mitchell, the man who personally interrogated 9/11 mastermind khalid sheikh mohammed. first, ed henry live in washington with new details. hi, ed. >> we are told the leak involves the entire hacking capacity of the cia. that part, and pursing a revelations about how it has the capacity to break into smartphones, turn smart tvs into microphones that record our conversations and could actually kill someone by hacking into a car that is connected to the internet. the cia has just released a statement acknowledging that this is a very damaging leak, of course, that could jeopardize american personnel and operations. the cia also insisting that while they have these tools, they are not using them to spy on americans. a spokesman declaring it is important to note that the cia is legally prohibited from conducting electronic surveillance targeting individuals at home including our fellow americans, and the cia does not do so. the cia's activities are subjected to rigo

i think, over time, just like with the ed snowden disaster, it will take long time for the united states one, assess the damage that'seen done and, two, rebuild the capabilities that the citizens have asked the government to take on on their behalf, which is to give them protection here in the united states. >> a lot of folks out there don't really see the edward snowden situation as a disaster. many folks call him a patriot. is there an argument to be made that releasing this sort of information is something the public needs to know, needs to know what the cia is capable of, if it potentially -- they are able to listen in on devices or through your television or any of the other allegations that were made in that document? >> look, i think -- look, i understand americans have got different views about this. it's about where we put our priorities, where i put the priority is keeping the country safe. and to do that, to prevent future 9/11s, we need great intelligence to give us early warning of such attacks. that's where i would put the emphasis on. i think there were other ways for edwa

mitchell made a very good point when he stated that we cannot celebrate the edward snowdens of the worldthey are some of the lowest, most vile criminals. they put our country at risk, americans at risk, and they should not be celebrated. they need to be condemned. one of the things i hope comes out of this is that they return edward snowden test so he can go on trail and get what he deserves. >> shannon: marie, do you think it is time for him to publicly renounce and collect wikileaks. he at one point said, i love wikileaks, he made comments. they are not doing things to benefit the united states of america, and a lot of people think we haven't done enough to go after them, to shut them down, to come up with real punishment for people who are feeding them information. what would you like to see from the white house on this? >> absolutely. i think a full denunciation of wikileaks. there were a lot of national security experts, you're absolutely right, both republicans and democrats, who were very uncomfortable with how donald trump embraced wikileaks because they were helping him politica

that was something edward snowden told me about what motivated him to leak. that the internet was so important to his development as somebody who grew up poor and not able to explore the world except through the internet. that he valued the internet too greatly to allow it to be turned into a surveillance state. the irony is that some of the worst leaks have come not from millennials but people like general david petraeus who leaked the most sensitive information, way more sensitive than wikileaks or snowden leaked, to his girlfriend, his mistress, to allow her to write a bib lliography. i think if wikileaks had the intentions that you were claiming which was to destroy the u.s., they would release the code. they would release the targets, and they're not doing that because they're trying to be responsible. but i think the problem is there's no consistency. general petraeus leaks extremely sensitive information. he gets a slap on the wrist. doesn't spend a day in jail. michael hayden forgets he exists and says, oh, it's millennials doing this. leaking is a ve

which is different from the snowden -- these are targeted tools aimed to go after individuals.hings that you would think the cia would have. >> is there any case that the cia was spying on any american including president trump? >> no, just description of tools. >> thank you both. >>> what legal power do they have to subpoena information from the fbi. i'll talk to professor about that. >>> house speaker paul ryan braking out the powerpoint. >>> fresh from 28-hour long debate over the measure. will senators in the own party support it. ? ask if your t is healthy enough for sex do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas® for pulmonary hypertension, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have a sudden decrease or loss of hearing or vision, or an allergic reaction, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis. e*trade's powerful trading tools, give you access to in-depth a

wikileaks says it has more information than that revealed by nsa leaker edward snowden. former acting director michael morell. >> how would you compare this to edward snoed snn. >> this is cia's edward snowden. >> that huge. >> in sense of what they tell adversaries and we'll have to start over to build tools just like we did with snoelden. >>> former director michael haden defended the hacking tools. >> there are people out there you want us to spy on. you want us to have the ability to actually turn on that listening device inside the tv to learn that person's intentions. this is a wonderful capability. you give the intelligence community $53 billion a year. you ought to get something for your money. >> concerning president trump's claims that he was wire tapped by obama, haden said, not possible. >>> the top rupp on the house committee says he's seen no evidence of the president's charges he was wiretapped. today the housing committee is expected to debate on obamacare and the president supports the plan, but there is growing republican backlash. hena daniels is here

then with snowden, we just assumed everything was being tightened up after that in 2013 with the nsa. and i think that you having particular experience in this area more than most would understand that this kind of information being available, being vulnerable to hacking, is extremely dangerous to us, and needs to be more protected. what is the status of all of this? >> this has been a continual problem. you mentioned this week's release by wikileaks included 8,000 documentss they purport to include information about very classified and sensitive cia hack abilities. and it comes on the heels of 7 years now worth of high-profile unauthorized disclosures, leaks or hacks either sensitive or classified information that the government retains. judge jeanine: why isn't the government in a position to protect this information? i understand if someone walks out the door with information and we can't figure out who we can expect to keep confidence and who we can't. but when someone from outside the government is able to hack information from inside the government, that's a real problem.th >> e

sven: snowden is some years ago already. they tried to fix it.on't have entire knowledge about that but it looks like it is slowly going back to normal. brent: sven, with the foundation dedicated to transatlantic cyber security cooperations. thank you very much. here are some other stories making headlines around the world more trouble for the british government's plans for relieving the european union. the house of lords has passed a memo to the brexit bill requiring parliament and not just parliament, but the government approves of britain's exit deal with the eu. premised or theresa may's conservatives have a majority in the house of commons but not the house of lords. popstar george michael died of natural causes resulting from heart disease and a fatty liver. that is according to a british coroner. the singer and songwriter was found dead at his home in southern england on christmas day. his fans continue to add to a makeshift memorial outside his home. a permanent memorial is planned. clashes between ethnic rebels and government forces in n

the same group that posted former nsa contractor edward snowden's stolen records.ly extended snowden's asile -- asylum. >> there's four or five bad actors, russia, china or a large organized group but this is a sophisticated actor. two important eyes of the intelligence community have been degraded and we have to refocus and continue to rebuild and be able to understand what our adversaries are trying to hide from us. >> this morning we're getting a better sense of timing for contact. a former intelligence official said some contacts were from last fall and saying it may have stopped at that point. >> bill: juliana assange is talking about the haven't. >> based on the event juliana assange has told reporters the cia lost control and the whe whereabouts and who has them is a question and there's 8,000 documents released are just a fraction of what's coming and here's part of the tweet that reads in part, wikileaks has released less than 1% of the bulk in reference to the cia documents in the part one publication of yesterday of zero year. he alleged cia lost control

i would point out that after the nsa contractor edward snowden leaked documents in 2013 that exposedernment surveillance on u.s. citizens, it was also posted by wikileaks. another contractor -- the same contractor maintained its contracts. hard to see how there was any kind of punishment for what happened in 2013. we may be revisiting the issue in 2017. >> eric: the documents shed some light on what the cia can or should be doing as far as surveillance. is there any indication on what we are learning from these leaked documents as to what went on at trump tower, whether anything happened and whether or not the proper procedures were followed. >> i'm not seeing anything yet and that documents i reviewed that shed a lot of light on the point, but if i could get another idea on the radar, when you look at these tools and capabilities that the cia has to take your phone and reverse engineer it so it becomes an instrument capture audio and video, same thing with the internet connected appliances, even tv sets. this is the kind of thing that virtually every intelligence agency in the world

snowden tweeted that he thought the leak was real.ises questions about exactly how secure the central intelligence agency really is. as fighters from the islamic state group are gradually being driven out of their strongholds in iraq, the scale of their atrocities is being revealed and against one ethnic group in particular. they are the yazidis. these people are ethnic kurds, and according to the united nations, are the victims of a genocidal campaign. some yazidis have managed to escape to sanctaury in germany, where the bbc‘s naomi grimley has met them. a secret location in south—west germany. it is a place of exile. 80 yazidi women and children now live here. they were violently persecuted by so—called islamic state, and chased out of northern iraq. these two boys were captured by the extremists and sent to a military training camp, aged just 14 and i6. this is their story. translation: the training was about weapons. we learnt how to load and fire a weapon. we were training to be soldiers. we would do exercises, crawling under ba

snowden tweeted that he thought the leak was real.ure the central intelligence agency really is. as fighters from the islamic state group are gradually being driven out of their stronghold in iraq, the scale of their atrocities is being revealed against one ethnic group in particular. the yazidi people are ethnic kurds, and they are the victims of a genocidal campaign, according to the un. so far, it is thought 5,000 people have been killed. over 3,000, mostly women and children, are being held captive. some yazidis have managed to escape and seek sanctuary in germany. the bbc‘s naomi grimley went to meet them. a secret location in south—west germany. it is a place of exile. 80 yazidi women and children now live here. they were violently persecuted by so—called islamic state, and chased out of northern iraq. these two boys were captured by the extremists and sent to a military training camp, aged just 1a and 16. this is their story. translation: the training was about weapons. we learnt how to load and fire a weapon. we were training

this leak, this hack, whatever it was, follows documents revealed by edward snowden, chelsea manning harold martin who stole documents revealing some of the most sensitive offensive cyber weapons. what's the problem here? why does the u.s. government keep having problems with individuals within their own ranks revealing this information? >> so, i mean, there's always been a count earn intelligence problem. when rur the director of cia or nsa one of the things you take home with you every night, i wonder if there is a mole inside my organization. we have a long history of people breaking in. >> sure. >> what's different now, jake, is we're living in a world of big data. everything is data. when espionage of this nature takes place, it takes place like big data so we've got these massive leaks of manning, of snowden and now what we see happening at cia. >> i also want to ask you just about president trump's tweets over the weekend and his suggestion, with no evidence at all and everybody who is in the know either says they have no evidence of it or it's not true, that president obama o

judge jeanine: right. >> so if you look at the 2010 manning case, the 2013 snowden case, and according to at least most recent reports today even in the "wall street journal" regarding the latest cia case, these are potentially insider threat cases. in other words, individuals who have access and who are trusted individuals, in some cases government contractors, who steal that information and facilitate through wikileaks, in this case and in the 2010 case, their public exposure. judge jeanine: well, you know, congressman trey gowdy actually said something like it's no more than 30 people that we have to look at in the fbi and the nsa that could be responsible for this, and we wh that we have legally to confront them and get this information from them, but you know, carrie, i want to quickly, before we run out of time, discuss the fact that you know, there was a time when we kind of put an end to a lot of this, but after 9/11, we kind of understood as james comey made so clear, there really isn't privacy anymore, so the tension between privacy and national security isn't as tense as it

not unlike edward snowden who has been be in rush why since 2013 and some are saying that this massive amount of data and software amounts to something far larger than even the refalations of edward snowden's treesure. conservative are lashing out at ryan care or obama lite. they say it is republican welfare and the freedom caucus meeting to discussion opposition strategy and procedural move to block the leadership plan. here to talk about that is is congressman mark meadows. congressman, great to have you with us. >> great to be here, lou. >> lou:y we heard dave brat saying it is dead on arrival and jim jordan said it is obamacare by another name and heard from the senate there is considerable resistance. your view on the legislation as it now stands? >> there is a whole lot of the work to be done. i met with the vice-president about negotiating and where we go from here. structural what we have is obamacare by a different name. it doesn't remove the man dates or taxes and really creates a new entitlement program that is troubling for the american people. it doesn't matter what i thin