what if he is actually able to explain trumpism to the world. i guarantee you, all these foreign people he has dealt with his entire career, they didn't go, oh, gosh, you aren't going to see rex to see me. i haven't had lunch with rex in weeks. he is going to be so well-received around the planet that combined with jim mattis, he automatically changes who people think trump is. they now around the world think trump is smart enough to hire really smart people and he is going to give them really smart orders. of course, tillerson has to be attacked by the left because if you can't attack the head of exxonmobil, you need to give up your card in the socialist party and go home. he is a remarkably successful man. what makes him even worse, he is an eagle scout. there are various left wing rallies where you go in and talk about eagle scouts. what are they going to do next, the first step towards fascism? they wear uniforms. you can't tell what else is going to happen. this is the beginning of the militarization of america. they will probably have girl

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what is trumpism? newt gingrich defines it. >>> yesterday he gave a speech. >> my administration will be focused on three very important words. jobs, jobs, jobs. >> donald trump promised you, the american people, he will create jobs. especially foes of ythose of yo stamps. >>> and my big announcement, i amount executive producer of a movie to come out early next year. straight ahead. >>> good evening and live from america's news headquarters, syrian rebels say a cease-fire dealing allowing for the evacuation of fighters and civilianes from eastern aleppo is back on hours after it collapsed. the evacuations were supposed to happen early wednesday but air strikes and shellings started up again. according to u.n. estimates there were about 1500 rebel fighters and 50,000 civilians in eastern aleppo on tuesday. closing arguments scheduled for tomorrow in the death penalty case of the suspected charlston church shooter, the lawyers for dillon roof resting their case after a judge ruled they could not present

this is why i think trumpism is real. it was -- he's a brilliant messenger but if he sounded like a normal left winger, people would say that is weird. think about the people who were the hats that said "make america great again." i was in a rally shortly after hillary clinton talked about the deplorables and i saw three women wearing shirts that said i'm an adorable deplorable. if you want to call us names, we will wear the name proudly and run over you. i hope they will send t-shirts to hillary for christmas. when the elite media smeared, what i call the propaganda media smeared trump, the american people cited with trump. "the new york times" was the worst offender among the print media. it's hard to say who is the worst offender among tv because they were so aggressively competing with each other. when "the new york times" printed article about trump's bad behavior toward women and the women says they printed the opposite of what i told him. that's when you realize something profound is breaking in the old order. the

it's very important if trumpism is going to succeed. the only rise comparable to trump is lincoln's rise. there is nobody else, because remember this is an almost , entirely trump-manufactured rise. it was not consultants, it was not pulling it was a continuous , application of intuition and energy. worked.rt of what the only other person i know who personally managed that kind of rise was lincoln. trump is now in an amazing place. it's astonishing to me as a historian how the elite media missed all of this. they are so rabid, they're so ideologically committed, so terrified of the future that they cannot stop and ask themselves what is this anomaly? what is it we should know about the next president? they just can't do it. you see it in today's stories. it is amazing to me how much the elite media and many of the think tanks, not heritage, have attacked trump instead of studying him. the washington post ran a piece on the degree to which trump is the degree to which trump is appointing and ayn rand administration. you once saw the cove

this is why i think trumpism israel. it was -- she's a brilliant messenger but if he sounded like a normal left winger, people would say that is weird. think about the people who were the hats that said "make america great again." i was in a rally shortly after theary clinton talked about deplorables and i saw three women wearing shirts that said i'm an adorable deplorable. if you want to call us names, we will wear the name proudly and run over you. i hope they will send t-shirts to hillary for christmas. smeared,elite media what i've for to call the propaganda media smeared trump, the american people cited with trump. the new york times was the worst offender among the print media. it's hard to say who is the worst offender among tv because they were so aggressively competing with each other. when the new york times printed article about trump's bad behavior toward women and the women says they printed the opposite of what i told him. that's when you realize something profound is breaking in the old order. the old orde

what are you defining as trumpism? >> well, first of all, i'm trying to learn from trump by watching what he does. and this goes all the way back to his book "the art of the deal", where i got the skating rink story, coming from rudy giuliani telling me about where trump got a golf course built in nine months whether neither mayor giuliani couldn't get it done. this trip to indiana, the carrier example is perfectly trump like. he sees a problem, thinks there opportunity, picks up the phone and gets the job done and then most on to the next topic. >> some say that's economic fascism. all 15 governors in the country -- i used to have often governor perry, governor abbott, governor scott, governor jindal, you know why they keep coming to my new york studio, they were trying to entice businesses to invest in their state and it work. >> let me say two things. trump is the first american president to realize that we're in a worldwide economic competition. just like the 50 states are in a competition. these guys, have they tr

you said reasonableness will be the death of trumpism. explain that. >> right. well, chuck schumer is going to say let's be reasonable. i'll pass a bill you like as long as it's totally acceptable to democrats and the public employee unions and liberals. but we can be reasonable. that means give up everything you campaigned on and everything you promised the american people before you. if trump says, you know, i'm going to stick with what i believe in, what i campaigned on, what i got elected for, they'll scream starting with the washington post and new york times, he's being unreasonable, and i think that's why something you and i agree on, they should rethink the whole concept of the white house press corp. and come up with a new model and not allow the modern media to dominate press coverage. >> let's talk about the rules of senate. if legislation is stopped, it will be in the senate. and we know that harry reid set a precedent using the nuclear option, and i think some republicans are hesitant to do it themselves. but if things get stuck, he has to pass thin

you said, reasonableness will be the death of trumpism. explain that. >> right. well chuck schumer will come in and say, let's be reasonable. i'll pass a bill you like as long as it's totally acceptable to democrats and the public employee unions and liberals. but we can be reasonable. what that means is why don't you give up everything you campaigned on, give up everything you promised the american people and i'll be for you. if trump says i will stick with what i believe in, what i campaigned on, what i got elected for, they will immediately scream starting with the washington post and in, times, they will scream he is being unreasonable. i think that's why something you and i agree on totally, they should rethink from the ground up the whole concept of the white house press kocorps come with a totally new grass roots model and not allow the traditional media to dominate and define white house press coverage. >> let's talk about the rules of the senate. if any legislation is stopped it'll be in the senate. we know that harry reid set a precedent with the nuclea

this is going to be trumpism, not republicanism, not democraticism, but trumpism. so i think that's certainly sending a little bit of a chill and a little bit of a sense of foreboding up to capito they can expect other than something fairly unpredictable. >> monica, i want to turn to another subject i talked about with kellyanne. that was president-elect trump's phone calls with foreign leaders, especially with the president of taiwan. you heard the question i asked her. should he be better briefed? should he be accepting state department briefings? should he be taking the presidential daily brief? briefings he can before he steps into this world of diplomatic nuance? >> well, the president-elect is getting regular briefings from people he trusts, experts like general flynn, who will be the income national security adviser. he's incredibly well briefed. before he takes these phone call thes. the phone call was a congratulatory phone call. from my understanding, it was only about ten minutes. they discussed a range of issues. i think donald trump was elected not rei

this is trumpism, not republicanism but trumpism. think that certainly is sending a bit of a chill up to capitol hill. people don't quite know what they can expect other than something unpredictable. >> i want to turn to another subject i talked about and that was president-elect trump's phone call to foreign leaders especially with the president of taiwan. you heard the question. should he be better briefed? should he be taking the presidential daily brief that most president-elect usually get every day and mike pence is apparentlily getting every day? should he be getting all the briefing he can before he steps into this world of diplomatic nuance? >> he is getting regular briefings from people he trusts. he is well briefed before he takes these phone calls. the phone call was congradu congradualatory phone call. i think donald trump was elected not to reinforce the status quo but to challenge the conventional ways of doing things. this conversation donald trump understands china policy very well. there will be plenty of time to di

they are scared because we are the only state that held off the full weight of trumpism in the south. our movement has been working for years. we were able to change the consciousness of the state. in the governor lost the election. amy, theafter, republican-led state board of election put in place 158 less voting sites, early voting sites, then we had in 2014 and 2012. they lost the worst voter suppression deal they pushed. the court said it was surgical racism. they lost on redistrict. the courts have demanded we have to redraw lines and happen election next year with the legislature. they lost the governor's race come the secretary of race, the auditor's race, the attorney general's race, and the supreme court became more progressive with an african-american winning 76 of the 100 counties and winning by over 300,000 votes. it is a sign of things to come when we organize in the south. so the governor and those extremists did everything they could. they even purged votes during the election. they lost again. we forced votes to be put back on the books. they tried everything. it when

what is trumpism and probably a book in the late spring. but that's because there are 4,000 federal employees, new, eager people, they have to understand how different trump is and it's not just a personality quirk. it is a way of thinking and way of doing business. it's learnable, but it is very different from what we've seen in the past. >> speaker gingrich, thank you for your time and thank you for joining us on christmas day. >> have a happy new year. >> happy new year to you, as well. >>> up next, we'll bring in our sunday group to discuss president-elect trump's plans and the team he is putting together to implement them. >>> plus, what would you like to ask the panel about president obama's push to protect some key legacy items during his final days in office? go to facebook or twitter twitter, @foxnewssunday. we may use your question on the air. >>> you have known my plan all along. it's 100% correct. what's happening is disgraceful. >> president-elect trump saying he'll stand by his plan for extreme vetting of people trying to come

don't mistake brexit, trumpism -- don't mistake it for singularity. one of the things team trump is talking about is having a free trade deal with the united kingd kingdom. they're open to the world, but only on terms that are fair. what trump is talking about is the way that china, for example, has massively overproduced steel, subsidized the state and put out our businesses across the west have literally been closed down. so don't mistake that. don't think that just because trump talks about his own form of economic nationalism they're not pro business. what they will be is pro small and medium-size business. they're the ones that have had a rotten deal and the ones with the capability to produce more growth, more jobs and text revenues than the multinationals. >> you talk about what happened with brexit and trumpism as a mandate. you guys had a very, very narrow win and as of right now, you know, president-elect trump does not have a majority of voters here in the u.s. so it's not exactly a mandate. and it seems like the vote was almost more for an

is trumpism, and then probably probab problem a book in the late spring. we're going to get 4,000 federal employees. they need to understand how different trump is and it's not just a personality quirk. it is a way of thinking and a way of doing business, and it's learnable, but it's very different from what we've seen in the past. >> speaker gingrich, thank you. thank you for your time, and thank you for joining us on christmas day. >> and have a happy new year. >> and happy new year to you as well. >>> up next, we'll bring in our sunday group to discuss president-elect trump's plans and the team he is putting together to implement them. plus, what would you like to ask the panel about president obama's push to protect some key legacy items during his final days in office? just go to facebook or twitter, @fox news sunday, and we may use your question on the air. i sure had a lot to think about. what about the people i care about? ...including this little girl. and what if this happened again? i was given warfarin in the hospital, but wondered, was this th

part of the problem with trumpism is a lot of people who cover him maybe weren't the view of "the apprentice but this is really how that program played out. mitt romney we all know. rex tillerson, you can pay at the pump. that was a new name that came out today. what do you make of this in wisconsin? >> it is a fascinating process because it is sort of like "the apprentice" meets "hunger games" meets "game of thrones." the question in my mind is what is he doing with mitt romney? is he really sort of considering this? is there a humiliation process going on here? stepping back one moment, having been critical of the last segment, donald trump has reassured a lot of conservatives with the quality of his choices. these have been solid cabinet choices. there is a couple i would have a quibble about, but i think there is a real interesting paradox between the donald trump that goes out and does the airing of grievances at these rallies and tweets and the donald trump who is sitting with reince priebus and mike pence who is coming up with some pretty thoughtful, serious choices for these cabinet

pursue the presidency and now there's a new model," i'd say, be careful, because there may not be trumpismhout trump. so this may be a phenomenon that is very much restricted to this candidate. we don't know what the shelf life will be, but it will never be boring. >> you think that is the case, sharmain? do you agree with that? >> number one, i don't even agree with the numbers. so let me start with that. he said last night -- or the night before -- when this rally took place, that there were 8,000 people standing outside. people disagree with that. others count that there were 7,000 people inside the rally. so, yes, i think there's a group of people who are really excited about this. but i think there's thousands and thousands of other people who are trying to figure out what in the heck happened. i mean, 44,000 -- whether it's 45,000 or 44,000 -- is not a lot of difference between the two campaigns. and i think what i'm hearing a lot of people ask is, "what happened with the clinton campaign?" there is still not enough analysis yet to try to figure out, what was it that made her not be

for me to vote every two years or every four years because what trump -- many of the aspects of trumpism is something that i have got to oppose. maybe that's the silver lining. but he is, again, what i would like to have people think about, yeah, these are tough times. but this is not the first time in american history we've had tough times. you know, if you go through the history of this country, the struggle of workers for dignity, the struggles of the african-american community against slavery, women's rights, gay rights, people came together and ended up doing well, overcoming a lot of discrimination and hatred. that's where we are today, and we've got to come together, focus, and go forward. >> one last question. kqed has a youth advisory board, and when they heard this week that you were coming in, they were very excited, and they gave us questions to ask. one of the students was asia williams. her question was, what advice do you have for future leaders, young people, teenagers, maybe even too young to vote? what can they do now to prepare themselves for leadership? >> they can do

at the moment they don't appear to be well equipped to deal with donald trump or trumpism. >> mr. the road on behalf democrats 2020. >> watching president obama, does he be part of these discussions in a vital way or does he go off and paint george w. bush style? >> what we are hearing is president obama is not going to be to able to ride off into the sunset. et cetera going to be cultivating new democratic leaders. >> they have to stick to the party of president obama until they find a heir apparent. we had a little bit of democratic talk there at the en. i would like to wish everyone a merry christmas, a happy hanukkah, happy holidays to all. as we leave you, we do so with some moments with first ladies and the way that many of them celebrated christmas at the white house. remember, next sunday, even on new year's day, no matter what "meet the press". ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ i got to think twice before i give my heart away and i know all the games you play ♪ >> this morning remembering a superstar. looking back at the amazing career of pop icon george michael dead at 53. >>> it was a white chrt

we had an idea what trumpism was in a general sense.ral opposition to illegal opposition, trade deals and in general to international agreements, a lot of skepticism. in the details it's hard to tell. we'll have an early fight over welfare. donald trump talked vaguely about getting rid of obamacare and replacing it with something that provided a lot of similar benefits and advantages to people. we don't know yet what the replacement will look like. traditional republicans might have a very different idea compared to some of the people in trump's orbit. >> my partner in reporting crime for much of the campaign. >>> it is transparency and national security, are they mutually exclusive. we'll talk over what we deserve to know and what we can no on our daily debates. that's up next. ♪ see ya next year. this season, start a new tradition. experience the power of infiniti now, with leases starting at $319 a month. infiniti. empower the drive. he wears his army hat, he gets awalks aroundliments. with his army shirt looking all nice. and then p

and i'm giving a speech at heritage on the principles of trumpism and how dramatic of a change it's going to be for america. very exciting time for us. this is about as stupid as everything i've seen the left try. >> i tried to say that but you say it better. >> think about it. barack obama is saying his administration was so incompetent that they stood around sucking their thumb while the russians snuck in and hacked into an american election because of the utter incompetence of the obama defense system. i don't know why one would want to make that case. i happen to believe obama is amazingly incompetent ant national security but he's making the case that they now have to investigate whether or not the russians hacked in despite the obama national security system. and we're now supposed to believe the guys who failed are going to tell us why they failed because it was the russians who did it because they were too stupid to protect the system. this will be a parody, a comedy if it was a movie. >> if trump did this it would be labeled what it is, a conspiracy theory. think about this. we h

you want to make sure americans have the chance to be great again and that is a key part to what trumpism is all about. >> mr. speaker, thank you. i'm from tv tokyo. i'm wondering how you feel about the american media's handling of the report of russian influence in the election outcome? thank you. mr. gingrich: this is an example of what i mean by a watershed. in the old days, and the old order, we would have taken them seriously. we would have felt bad about it. we would have been on defense for weeks. this is why i want us to use the term propaganda media, not news media. the entire story is a lie. the director of national intelligence does not agree, the federal bureau of investigation doesn't agree. who it is ciae agrees because no one talks on someone in the post talk to a friend of theirs with a guy from georgetown with the card that says cia and so they said this is great. first of all -- this is one of those things were you have to say to yourself -- this is why i go back to the essay on intellectuals yet idiot useful. and i want you to follow a for a minute. you understand how b

he cautions that republicans shouldn't be so quick to give in to trumpism and the stark division issedn a dangerous path. as politics have been more po r polariz polarized. they shift from tribes to individuals. nothing else matters even among republican who is had no illusions among the character or judgment. the demands of that loyalty took precedence to resistance act of betrayal. charlie sykes is currently working on a book entitled how the right lost its mind. i cannot believe this was your last show. but what a run. congratulations. >> well thank you and i have to write the book. >> that's the hard part. the show you got. now the hard part starts. you are not alone. there was a strong stop trump movement and you point out that a lot of the people who were very vocal against trump have gotten on board. does there need to be a part of your party that still stands up and says this is not who we are? if so, who leads that? the answer is yes. will from be conservatives who say we will support you when you are right, but you don't lead on everything. there will be a period right now wh

trump's avowed trumpism toward moscow. the appointment of his secretary of state. you cannot be both pro putin and anti-iran, least of all in syria, because the groups and the party of god lebanon hezbollah are completely united and strategically aligned and doing so@annihilation of whatever remains of the free syrian army. this is not a campaign being waged in syria against the islamic. asaad came out and said i don't care about isis in raqqa. let the americans deal with it. he's given one-third of his country away. this is about the heartland of syria. aleppo is or was until this campaign oh of extermination, syria's most populous city. and now people are trapped and there's another cease fire being put into effect -- >> i want to talk about the cease fire. you just got back, and i wonder if you can answer this question. michael reported last night, again, what you were saying about the rapes and suicides, but also that a cease fire would collapse, and it collapsed less than a day into the cease fire. who is responsible for this collapse? >> the syrian forces. i

and what it is is this is the only state that trumpism didn't sweep everything.he governor's race that was held by the attorney general and the state supreme court were all -- >> let's talk about donald trump. the director of the democracy program at n y u said the trump administration could change the voting landscape in a few ways. voter rolls are trying to push legislation through congress. are you also concerned here about what a trump administration might mean for voting rights? >> deeply. as soon as the federal courts rule that north carolina, for instance, had engaged in the worse voter suppression since the voting rights act and surgical racism, trump came to town. and questioned the courts' ruling and continued to tell his lie about fraud, and he continues to do that. we are in the worst position protection wise than we've been since '65. we're almost back to the 1800s. right now section five of the voting rights act is not enforced. the congress sat on fixes that for over three years. they refused to do their duty under the 15th amendment. it means the

. >> my goal is to be the chief strategist putting together what the -- the principles of trumpism and helping people from state legislature to governor to the state and senate and to the executive branch all move in th goal of literally creating a new stable republican governing majority for the first time since 1932. and i've talked to the president-elect and the vice president-elect and the senior team on the transition. they all seem comfortable for that role for me, and i'll continue to do it. it's something i did in the reagan years. >> i think it's a perfect role for you. you could transform every branch of government in a profound way which, by the way, every single one of them needs. but we'll have more with the former speaker right after this, and later tonight, according to president-elect trump mitt romney is still in the running for secretary of state j but the list of potential candidates continues to grow. department executive director of the trump transition team will weigh. >> there's a profound argument about whether his influence was for the better or worse, and that

tea party, two was occupy wall street which was against this kind of system and, three, the donald trumpismer that is. kennedy: yeah. >> but he ran against a rigged economy, and one of his first acts here is to rig things, to go into an individual case and act like the mayor of oakland instead of, as you say, let's make the whole thing a lot easier for business to be done on the federal level. kenmen can stand -- kennedy: stand back, let the tax cuts take effect so every wiz has a chance at succeeding as opposed to waiting to be chosen and selected to be on that great list, and it is a great list. so great. swriewlly, what's more sickening to you? your thanksgiving party -- [laughter] or the government playing favorites? >> i don't like when the government -- i don't like the government meddling. kennedy: yeah. >> and i don't believe it's the government's business to meddle in publicly-traded bids. it's great that donald trump tried to get involved in carrier, but once he takes office, he can't get personally involved in every single thing, and i don't think it's going to be possible for th

>> my goal is to be the chief strategist putting together what trump means -- the principles of trumpism and helping people from state lejs lay you're egislatur governor and the executive branch and all moving in the same direction with the goal of literally creating a new stable republican governing majority for the first time since 1932. and i've talked to the president-elect and vice president-elect and the senior team on the transition. they all seem comfortable with that role for me. i will intend to continue doing that. that is something in the reagan years -- >> i think that's the perfect role for you. could you transform every agency in government, every branch in government if a profound way, which bit way every single one of them needs. we will have more with the former speaker, newt gingrich. >>> according to this, mitt romney is in the running for secretary of state but the list of candidates continues to grow. deputy executive director of the trump transition team, david bossy will check in and he will weigh in on the process. >>> and later tonight -- >> there is a profound

trump always interjects his own sort of trumpisms into a speech, and he does it in his own sort of populist way. so i think we're going to probably see a mixture. in a speech like this, it's not going to be straight from miller to trump. i'm sure steve bannon will be involved and reince priebus will be involved, and his children will be involved. >> steven had been on my show a number of times and on cnn. he's a very nice guy, but he's very hard line. a very good writer. i notice when kellyanne conway came on, his tone in the speeches softened. that was an influence she had on steven miller's writing. >> because they recognize that i alone can fix it is too chavez-esque and needed to do something more american. i think that's what you'll see from donald trump on inauguration day. >> david, thank you. selena, thank you. 24 days to go. >>> israel is temporarily suspending working ties with a dozen nations who voted in favor of a u.n. resolution condemning israeli settlement building in east jerusalem and the west bank. cnn's orin lieberman is in jerusalem with more now. >> reporter: prime min

you want to make sure americans have the chance to be great again and that is a key part to what trumpism is all about. >> mr. speaker, thank you. i'm from tv tokyo. i'm wondering how you feel about the american media's handling of the report of russian influence in the election outcome? thank you. mr. gingrich: this is an example of what i mean by a watershed. in the old days, and the old order, we would have taken them seriously. we would have felt bad about it. we would have been on defense for weeks. this is why i want us to use the term propaganda media, not news media. the entire story is a lie. the director of national intelligence does not agree, the federal bureau of investigation doesn't agree. who it is ciae agrees because no one talks on someone in the post talk to a friend of theirs with a guy from georgetown with the card that says cia and so they said this is great. first of all -- this is one of those things were you have to say to yourself -- this is why i go back to the essay on intellectuals yet idiot useful. and i want you to follow a for a minute. you understand how b

what it is, this is the only state that trumpism didn't sweep everything, governor's race that was held by progressive attorney general and the state supreme court was all -- >> well let's talk about donald trump. because the drengt are of the democracy program told the washington post, they include not filing lawsuits against states where voter suppression is alleged, or trying to push legislation through congress. so are you also concerned here about what a trump administration might mean for voting rights? >> keep deeply. as soon as the federal courts ruled that north carolina had participated in the voter suppression, trump came to town and questioned the court's ruling and continued to tell his lie about fraud, and he continued to do that. we're in the worst position protection wise since we've been in 1965. we're back to the 1800. section five is not in force. the congress is set on fixing that ryan and mcconnell and boehner for over three years, they refused to do their duty under the 15th amendment. that means the state legislatures can pass the rules that don't have to be precl

mitt romney represents the kind of beating heart of anti-trumpism in the republican party, which waslee who never endorsed him, it is jeff flake who never endorsed him, people found to be vulgar and beyond the pale and not sufficiently patriotic. but a lot of those people have come back in the fold including senator crapo from idaho, but so by having him twist in the wind for a long time, and getting those people's hopes up, that level of kind of opposition to trump gets smaller. a lost nat of names floated. theyom massey's name. it is to placate that s anti-trump libertarian -- >> there is politics there, but there is also some of trump doing what some suspect is mocking other people, others suspect -- there is a personality trait he has that he wants to talk to people himself, he's -- i was on a show early this weekend and talked about how it is to be an out of bo borough new yorker and he called me and made news. he's the kind of guy that will pick up the phone and talk direct to people and deal with people and you don't know what his motivation is and he knows -- he and i don't a

>> look, i think this again goes to the heart of trumpism and why he was elected. we're running $600 and $800 billion a year deficits. if you cut that in half, that means you have disrupted a number of countries. if you actually turn it into a surplus over the next ten years, you have really disresulted a number of countries. the question is do you want to keep running huge deficits and costing american jobs but having cheaper products? or are you prepared to pay a little more for imported products but have dramatically more american jobs? these are very disruptive moments in american history and so far the sentiment in the congress and the presidential election, even secretary clinton was against the trade deal she had been in favor of because she found it was politically unsustainable. >> you make a great point. let me move on to taiwan. what do you make of this? he says she called him, and of course, i'm going to take the call to, you know, answer the congratulations tone. but this is being looked at as a real pushback and a message to china. how do you see it?