>> reporter: house democrats tried to kill the fred upton bill which upton said would keep the president'se legislation to allow millions of americans to keep their policys. what democrats don't like it allows the insurance companies to continue to sell themmine if they don't meet obama care standards. nancy pelosi said earlier she was concerned it was like unravelling the sweater and urging members to vote no. it is a tense week for democrats here on capitol hill this week. they have had closed door meetings and begging the white house for a solution. they stuck their necks out and they are hearing from constituents and that it is a mess that they are losing their health care they like. the president offered an administrative fix and this is a legislative fix. the law makers don't like the white house going around congress to fix a law and all eyes will be watching to see what the democrats follow leadership nancy pelosi and the white house or they will go along with fred upton saying my constitiens want a legislative fix and this bill available to me i will vote yea on this one. >> does

upton, is recognized. mr. upton: mr. speaker, now i yield one minute to the gentleman from louisiana, mr. scalise, a member of the energy and commerce committee. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from louisiana is recognized for one minute. mr. scalise: thank you, mr. speaker, for yielding and for the gentleman from michigan for bringing this bill, which i support. we all heard that promise, if you like what you have you can keep it. probably the most often repeated promise that barack obama made in his five years as president. and yet the president's finally acknowledging that promise will not be kept to millions of americans who are losing the good plans they like. they kept saying they didn't know this was going to happen, by the way, mr. speaker, because back in 2010 the administration had a report that said over 60% of private plans would be canceled under the president's health care law. i have seen it myself in my district. i've got chris from covington, aaron from sly deltha have gotten letters saying they a

upton. mr. upton: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that all members may have five legislative days to revise and tend their remarks and include extraneous material on h.r. 3350. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. the gentleman will suspend. he house will come to order. members please take their conversations off the floor. the gentleman from michigan is recognized. mr. upton: mr. speaker, i yield myself a minute and a half. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. upton: mr. speaker, across generations presidencies are often associated with one famous utterance. ask not what your country can do for you. the only thing we have to fear, tear down this wall. and our current president will be no different. if you like your health care plan, you can keep it, period. for the last three years the president repeated this promise in selling his signature law, and he did so with the knowledge that it would not be met. millions of americans, including nearly a quarter after million in mi

upton: mr. speaker, i would yield one minute to the gentleman from new jersey, a member of the house subcommittee on energy and commerce, mr. lance, one minute. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from new jersey is recognized for one minute. mr. lance: thank you, mr. speaker. and i rise in strong support of chairman upton's legislation, which will provide much-needed certainty and relief for millions of americans, including 800,000 in new jersey. regarding this issue, "the new york times" editorializes this morning that the president has damaged his credibility and it is uncertain how he can earn it back, earn back the public's trust. i would suggest support of this bipartisan legislation will earn back the president's trust. this matter should be addressed legislatively and permanently and not administratively and temporarily as the president suggested yesterday. it is time for us to work together. i strongly support chairman upton's legislation and i am sure it will pass in a bipartisan fa

it's called the upton bill. this proposal goes further than letting people simply keep their health insurance plans, it allows everyone to buy those cheaper, but significantly less comprehensive plans, something the administration says will essentially gut obama care. >> the legislative action that is proposed by the republicans through the upton bill is really a trojan horse. they're trying to just get in. their sole purpose for offering this amendment is not to help, it is not to fix the problem. it is to exploit the problem. >> the president will meet with ceos from the insurance industry later today to try to sort out what this means for them. some are asking if the problem really is fixed, because while the president is telling insurers they can reissue those cancelled policies, they don't have to. and states can also say no. in fact washington's insurance commissioner has already said his state will, quote, stay the course. let me bring in our company. anne kornblut, josh kraashar, good morning. >> good mo

aca levels off, no bias. >> and if you pass the upton bit.e house passes the upton bill, which it's not clear there would be democratic support. it's also not clear that some conservatives will go along. but on the specifics of the upton bill, allows insurance companies to keep offering some of those shell plans that they've been offering before obama care passed. it means women can get charged more, it means it can discriminate against you for coverage based on preexisting conditions, all of these things, those are the plans that you're going to allow insurance companies to go back to. >> in oklahoma city, just in my area, that there are people who were involved in. >> if you pass upton, the premiums will go up. >> that's a fascinating -- wait, wait. that's a fascinating spin. i there was a president that used to say premiums would go down. >> most people they did. as soon as the website starts working. >> here's the issue, hopefully -- but the problem is the reality of what we're dealing with right now. i can take you to thousands of people

upton, came to the rules committee. i'm a member of the house subcommittee, energy and commerce committee. i sat in rules last night. i'll say again here today, we had many hearings in the house subcommittee, we had hearings in the full energy and commerce committee over the last two and three weeks. there was ample opportunity to have this bill proceed with regular order with a subcommittee hearing, markup, full committee hearing, markup, none of that was done. this bill comes to the floor directly from rules and it is a flawed bill. i want to stress that. i really believe, mr. speaker, that this legislation is just another attempt by the g.o.p. to undermine the affordable care act. in fact, i'll call this the 46th attempt at repeal. my g.o.p. colleagues have zero interest in helping people gain and keep their health insurance. they have zero interest in fixing any problems that may be occurring with the rollout of the law. they simply want to demonize the president, as you've heard over and over again, and his policie

i mentioned the fred upton bill.ed upton is a republican congressman from michigan who proposed this, fred upton, republican congressman from michigan in a bill scheduled to be voted on and probably passed by the republican house tomorrow will allow people to keep their plans for one more year. so if it's a sinister plot by obama to protect democrats on 2014, republicans are in on that plot. >> is that true, sean? >> the difference is when you do it legislatively, correctly and by the constitution, all of those numbers have to take a vote and realizes what the president is potentially about to do because you're right, we don't know the details of what he's going put out would basically ensure that he he doesn't have to take the key votes and he would take cover by doing it unilaterally which is not constitutional. that's the difference. >> it's allowing them not to have to take those key votes that put them at odds with not only their words, but their previous votes that said obama care is the way to go. now they act

the upton bill would undercut both efforts. in short the upton bill is a not thinly disguised effort to repeal affordable care act. the white house sees things the same way and has threatened to veto the bill should it pass both chambers. either way debate indicated that the fight is far from over. >> if you want to go back to a system where insurance companies could turn people away because they are sick, by all means vote for this bill. >> it is important that we take this action today on hr 3350, because we have heard from the american people, from coast-to-coast, that they do not want -- they do not want the president's health care law. >> the upton bill comes today disguised as a sheep in wolf's clothing. >> for millions of americans it's cancellation today, sticker shock tomorrow. >> this one on the floor today really takes the cake because it is essentially pull the plug on the affordable care act, that idea that it was helping consumers was sort of the trojan horse whose underbelly ips poisonous with -- in terms of the

we'll talk to congressman fred upton. his bill will be vote on that will allow to you keep your insurance and get that substandard plan. also the president will be -- the president talked about the plan if you couldn't keep it. senator barrasso will also be joining us. michele bachmann will be here. michele bachmann said what she wanted to do more than anything was repeal obamacare, and republicans have been called every name in the book officer trying to top this plan. gregg: senator brasplan.gregg -- gregg: what is the political fallout. not often you see an american presidenpresident tell the amern people his critics were right. >> everyone is focused on not doing a $good job on the rollout. and that's legitimate. there were times i thought we were slapped around unjustly, but this is deserved. it's on us. gregg: byron york joins his chief correspondents. democrats were in absolute open revolt. they were stampeding out the exit doors over this thing because they were hearing from their constituents about how ugly this

that may be part of the reason why 39 house democrats voted for a republican bill the upton bill that would allow americans to keep their health insurance plans even if they don't meet obamacare standards. president obama had announced a day earlier that his administration would craft an administrative fix to allow people to keep their health insurance. still, those 39 house democrats likely feeling the pressure from their home districts broke with the president, broke with their leadership, and voted for the upton bill. >> what has to drive my vote as a doctor, for someone who really underunderstands healthcare is what is best for american patients. and then as a representative of the district, i really have to be responsible for my constituents. >> and arizona democratic congressman ron barber who also voted for the upton bill told politico that obamacare is, quote: a huge bill. over 2,000 pages there are going to be unintended consequences. there are going to be things that don't work. i'm about fixing things that don't work. even before the vote the republicans predicted that the

upton: parliamentary inquiry. may i ask the gentleman from california how many speakers you have left? mr. waxman: we have two speakers. mr. upton: two speakers. we just have two speakers as well. myself and mrs. ellmers. mr. speaker, i'll yield two minutes to the gentlelady from north carolina. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady from north carolina is recognized for two minutes. mrs. ellmers: thank you, mr. speaker. i rise today to -- in support of h.r. 3350, to keep your health care plan act of 2013. you know, as my colleagues across the aisle have pointed out, over and over and over again, the a.c.a. is law. but it cannot simply be undone by the white house and it does call on us in the congress to do so. you know, mr. speaker, we women in this country make 80% of the health care decisions and women in this country have now been told by the president and our democrat colleagues that the health care choices that they've made to cover their families are not adequate. in fact, they're being called subpar. and

as you mentioned, this upton legislation, the white house said they are going to veto it. that is not going anywhere. and i think michael mentioned, the really important action right now is in the states where you have insurance commissioners scratching their heads and trying to figure out, do we want to make this work? even if we want to, can we make it work? >> it's a great pleasure having you both on. thank you so much. >> still ahead, more on breaking news i mentioned at the top of the show, the man who shot and killed killed an unarmed detroit woman is making his first court appearance, charges were announced a couple of hours ago against him. we learned his name following that. we'll have an exclusive interview with mcbride's parents. >> let the facts and evidence guide us and the only thing that guides us and steers us are the facts in evidence. >> another breaking story we're following right now. officials in california are holding a news conference. they say they found the bodies of missing southern california family who disappeared three years ago the latest on t

not quite the right club but basically what bill kristol said was fred upton got this bill and if you like your health insurance you get to keep it and i was saying and you know. if fred upton put it forward it's probably a poison pill and bill and new are both saying that it's not a poison pill and we're going to work this out in fact we had the show by saying hey if we work it out but then today i read the bill and it's a poison pill it's it's it's you know on the other hand you've got democrats who are now running scared you know they're there because they all the publicity on this thing the news cycle has really turned against president obama especially since he apologized that some have he never should have done. so i'm not sure this is a debate of more than more than a discussion at least on this topic what part of the problem is i see if you see any do you see any possibility that the democrats and the republicans might come to some agreement on something that might modify obamacare in a way that doesn't kill it or the republicans so committed to killing it that every time they

is not quite the right club but basically what bill kristol said was fred upton got this bill and if you like your health insurance you get to keep it and i was saying and you know it fred upton put it forward it's probably a poison pill and bill and new are both saying it's not a poison pill and we're going to work this out in fact we had the show by saying hey if we work it out but then today i read the bill and it's a poison pill it's it's it's you know on the other hand you've got democrats who are now spreading scare you know they're there because they all the publicity on this thing the news cycle has really turned against president obama especially since he apologized some of that he never should have done. so i'm not sure this is a debate of more than more than a discussion at least on this topic what part of the problem is i see if you see any do you see any possibility that the democrats and the republicans might come to some agreement on something that might modify obamacare in a way that doesn't kill it or the republicans so committed to killing it that every time they of

so now can they be for the upton bill? because now they're being for something that the president is for. i mean, this is sort of the problem when your thesis is we're against anything that you are for, eventually you're going to get into a position where you're a bit confused of where you need to go. >> yeah, i think we're seeing a mixed bag of reactions from republicans. i know senator bob corker said he thought this was a positive step. i do think you'll continue to hear republicans say you need a legislative fix, that this is the sort of thing that's supposed to be done through legislation and not through executive action. they want to take votes on this. that'll be awkward for the president, and they want moves that are more expansive. i think they would like the approach in the upton bill that allows these less regulated plans to continue indefinitely. so i would expect to see votes on this. i also think in some sense this has been an escape hatch for republicans. you have this upton bill in the house. then you have

. >> and upton sinclair is in your book. >> upton sinclair was 26. he represents our younger generation. an interest in a quality among the races and sexes. that was also about women's race and women acquiring the vote. >> and jack london and grover cleveland. >> jack london is a friend of upton sinclair. they are both sources. >> where did future i just? >> my idea came because i came to live in princeton and i read some biographies of woodrow wilson. i perceived in the biography a portrait of a person much different from the sort of received notions of woodrow wilson, this novel person to isolated many flaws and i saw his self-righteousness, his condescension towards negroes, he called black people negroes, and towards women. i thought really needed to be examined. >> joyce carol oates, do you have any ideas how many books you have sold? >> i have no idea. >> been him an award you have one? >> i don't sit around counting them. no, i don't. >> what is your writing process? >> i tried to write very early in the morning and i basically love to write.

today 40 democrats voting with the republicans on this upton bill.hink they are being ridiculous. i prefer single pay are for these reasons. you want them to stay republican in 2014 because those democrats know that a re-election is right around the corner? it is about keeping your seats and not doing what is right. >> and that is all the president's fix trying to attempt to help these democrats who beg for a life vest in this matter where obama care is drowning as a law. the "new york times" called into question the president's own credibility to make commitments. we know now that obama care was sold on this fraud. the times called into question the competence of the ability to implement the law. this is something that even your liberal friends are turning on the president. >> first of all, i'm going to go to hr right after this. the implementation, was terrible. no question about it. the website should have worked. the policy itself. >> president did not take to the podium to talk about the website allen. >> the "new york times" today how can we tr

>> reporter: well they're clearing pushing, house democrats to vote no on the upton bill.also offer ad fix of their own. they're calling it landrieu-light. it is named for democratic senator from louisiana, mary landrieu is is trying to find a fix for the senate in the health care law. however this would not allow insurance companies to continue selling policies that don't meet obamacare standards. today the house democratic leader nancy pelosi ripped the republican upton plan. >> this is a conversation that's not an action but it does, does violence to the bill in other ways that idea that it was helping consumers was sort of the trojan horse whose underbelly is poisonous with, in terms of the health and well-being of the american people. >> reporter: the president has threatened to veto the upton bill even though it is not clear it would come up for a vote in the united states senate. bottom line, supporters of obamacare feel like this bill could destroy the health care law. jenna? jenna: very provocative on that point, mike. thank you very much. >> reporter: thank you.

fred upton is the author, and the president has called for letting people stay on their insurance plan through next year, and in other words, del, insurance companies can keep selling policies that don't meet the requirements of obamacare. what upton would do, it goes farther, it would allow new customers to buy these old plans, and the white house said that defeats the whole point of the healthcare law. people could be buying plans that don't include things like maternity coverage, and charging for preexisting conditions, and that's why they said it's a no-go. nancy pelosi spoke this morning on the floor and said this claims to be a helpful proposal but she said it's not. >> that idea that it was helping consumers was sort of the trojan horse's underbelly. it's poisonous, in terms of the health and well-being of the american people. >> reporter: yesterday, house speaker, john boehner, said that he still wants to scrap the healthcare law, and speaker pelosi and others say that the upton bill is trying to. >> there's a sense that the white house doesn't fix anything either, so where do

shortly before the vote michigan congressman fretted from upton, the bill's -- fred upton explained why it was important. >> if millions of americans want the choice to keep the insurance they currently have, why not? it is only an attempt to help the people harmed by this law. but if we can provide some relief to people from this disaster, why not? >> to some democrats the upton bill was the latest attempt to repeal the obamacare. or another effort to underpipeline the president. i'm joined by norman orn stein the author of it's even worse than it looks. good to have you with us norm. appreciate your time. you use heard congressman upton talk. why not? >> the whole idea of the affordable care act was to expand the risk pool bringing a lot more people, tens of millions of americans who have no insurance, in under an insurance web and protection. but to do that, you've got to get everybody, the sick, the healthy, together, into that pool. most americans are already there. i am. with the coverage provided by my employer. and if fact is, i've got very gows generous, extremely good coverage

the white house has planned to veto the fred upton bill.hile the insurance companies themselves are warning any tinkering with the healthcare law this close to the new year could result with price likes all around. >> let's take that up a bit more. joining us to discussion the issues with the new healthcare law is senior fellow with the manhattan institute a conservative think tank. let's work through some of these issues. the house bill that was passed, as you know, would i an allow those who have had their insurance policies canceled would allow them to keep them but it would allow non-complying policies outside of the exchanges. is the president right in calling this bill in its totality sabotage? >> well, sabotage is a strong word. i think the point that representative upton and the people supporting this bill are making is let's have a competition. let's have a choice. if it's true that the affordable care act is going to result in plans and help in insurance coverage that is more affordable, and higher quality plans which existed in t

proposed by congressman fred upton of michigan.hat is is anything but. >> is there no doubt our failure to roll out the aca smoothly has put a burden on democrats, whether they are running or not. my commitment to them is we are going to just keep on doing better every day until we get it done. >> joining us now is democratic congressman barbara lee of california. good afternoon, ma'am. >> pleased to be with you, martin. >> thank you. can i play you something that the president said moments ago in cleveland about ohio's republican governor who accepted expanded medicaid funding? take a listen to. >> if every republican governor did what kasich did here, rather than play politics about it, you'd have another 5.4 million americans who could get access to health care next year, regardless of what happens with the website. that's their decision not to it, and it's the wrong decision. >> can i ask you, when did you first become aware that speaker boehner and house republicans were so concerned about that 5% on the individual market? bec

the fred upton bill goes up for vote today. an estimate of how many democrats would vote for it? we heard rich edson say 35, which adds up to a sizable democrat revolt. what say you? >> yes, yes, it does. i think that you're looking at 25 to 35. it's a number of democrats who are going to cross and vote for the bill. i mean, they're hearing from their constituents, like all the rest of us are. people are livid with the way this rollout transpired. stuart: is this fred upton bill, in my opinion, guts obamacare because it would take a whole lot of people out of the exchange system, that would mean far fewer people in the exchange insurance pools and that's not good for obamacare. i mean, that's my reading of it and yet, you've got 25, 35 democrats saying, yeah, go ahead, gut obamacare, that's extraordinary. >> you're exactly right and they're going to have a similar bill in the senate and i think they're going to get closer for it there. and stu, the thing is, the upton bill will allow those insurance companies to sell that produ

. >> the upton bill. >> the upton bill is a very dangerous bill. >> is not a good bill. >> john boehner has called the upton bill a targeted strike. >> what is unacceptable is what the republicans want to do. >> what is it that you want to do? >> scrap this law once and for all. >> we can't go back to the status quo. >> the website will get fixed. this will get better. >> it is going to work. >> the health care law has survived a lot. >> the bill is passed. >> well, wait a minute. wait a minute. >> it can be upheld. >> i am your father. >> the health care law has survived a lot. >> the mood among democrats has gone from nervous to panicked. >> is that it? is it over? is that your understanding? >> absolutely not. we've got to move forward on this. >>> president obama gave an emergency state of the union address today, which was all about the state of the affordable care act. nothing the president says in his next scheduled state of the union address will matter, if the problems he discussed today are not solved before then. >> we fumbled the rollout on this health care law. this is some

voted for the upton bill. >> what has to drive my vote is what is best for miles per hour patients. >have to be response to believe the constituents. >> arizona democrat ron barbour voted for the upton bill told politico that it's a huge bill, over 2,000 pages. there will be unintended consequences. there are going to be things that don't work. i'm about fixing things that don't work. before the vote, some republicans predicted the bill would pass with bipartisan support. >> the democrats recognize that the president made a promise, he needs to keep that promise. he needs to keep the commitment, listen to the miles per hour people. deliver on that promise. >> but one democrat who did not support the upton bill says the majority of the members of his party stayed with the president. and democratic leadership. >> this means that fewer than 10% of house democrat, 20% of the house democrats didn't stand together. >> the obama administration indicated that the president would likely veto the upton bill, if it were to get through the democratically controlled senate. because the upton bill

it is not the upton bill. it is not as scary to democrats as the upton bill may have been. it is also a senate democrats are uneasy about the politics of people losing their health plan. host: host: are there any vague meetings heading into the week? guest: that they'll in particular is going to get a lot of attention on the senate will probably consider that in some form or another. the president tried to take it off the agenda with his own expert it does not have seem to have mollified everyone. we have not heard the last of the mary landrieu bill or others like it. host: let's try our first call from florida, independent, good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span. i had my policy canceled. i am a senior citizen. i lost my mate november 8. he was 16 years older than i am. i'm going to be 82. he got canceled because of pre- he went conditions but on to hospice which i cannot took all whole bunch off of my shoulders. after listening to the president -- i had already gotten a policy that was so much better than what they canceled -- no referrals -- those refer

upton was out this week. he seemed to be channelling opt minimum that they've sort of broken the democrats on this. when you see 39 come across, you have 39 on this it seemed like they didn't get the defections they were looking for, does that change cheer mind set in the weak of yesterday? >> the party has been in disarray since the 2012 election. they went through the shutdown and fis cam standoff in the fall where the party was fighting and fighting each other. teams they find themselves in a politically solid position. actually climbing in the polls. so this upton bill, for example, it was really a messaging bill that was hopefully going to get some votes and come to the floor. they're trying to figure out a strategy in the new political climate after the president's press conference with this new reality, how to move forward. i don't think they have settled obvious what an alternative to offer an champion in 2014. they've settled on a legislative fix strategy. right now they are stuck at messaging. they

democrats joined, as you saw yesterday, republicans in passing the upton bill. the senate landrieu bill which would order insurers to offer exist plans in perpetuity. both bills undermine the central goal of obama care, of forcing healthy people on to the exchange plans that subsidize the sick. so is this what the president's false promise has wrought? >> the web site problems and the cancellations are two totally unrelated issues. i think the democrats are on the defense because the website has been such a disaster. two, because the president's promise, which he should have corrected the record a long time ago. three, i think because the white house has not done an effective enough job on the communications. the fact of the matter is, you can't get around this, for 97% of americans, there's no change in their current situation or they're going to get a much better deal. for 3% of americans, only 5% of americans buy their insurance through the individual marketplace. half of those are going to get a better deal now because of the way the law is structured. the 2

it's called the keep your health care plan act sponsored by republican fred upton. it would allow insurance companies to continue to sell plans regardless of new minimum standards, but some democrats say his plan will gut the health care law. here was congressman upton just minutes ago. >> at one point earlier in this week it looked like we were going to get 100 democratic votes, and that's when the president decided to actually do something. so he was content for this broken promise to continue to have legs. >> the hill is already out with the names of five democrats that it expects to stand shoulder to shoulder with republicans. and the white house is already firing a warning shot saying that the bill is sabotage and vowing a veto. now, the president is fighting to keep his democratic rank in file marching in lock step, one day after a spormea culpa to hin party. >> i think it's legitimate for them to expect me to have to win back some credibility on this health care law in particular and on a whole range of these issues in general. and, you know, that's on me. i

this time democratic leadership hoping to stop members from voting for the upton measure made several attempts at trying to defeat the bill. they expressed concern this was another attempt by the gop to kill obama care. >> this is a shell bill. in the end just let me say my friends should have some credibility. you introduce the 102 bills, you never put one of them on the floor for a vote. so don't pretend that you care about the american people's health care here. you're just trying to repeal the affordable care act. democrats are not going to let you do that. >> reporter: it's been a tense week for many democrats on capitol hill who voted to pass obama care. and many times since then to protect the law. they appealed to white house officials to do something to appease angry constituents who are upset about being canceled by their insurance companies. the president offered a controversial administrative fix thursday. and house democratic leader nancy pelosi said the focus should be on strengthening and not pulling apart the law. >> there's a discussion going on, but there's a values

they will have final vote on the upton bill itself. when that happens, we'll see how many democrats are peeling away, despite pleas from the white house. >> what they want is the fix. if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. that wasn't the case. this is not the big issue for health care as we move forward. >> this is what kathleen sebelius had to say on the "the daily rundown." >> so it's a relatively small but for those people it's real. i think the president felt keeping the commitment people should be able to stay on their own plans is something he felt was important. >> so that was from an event in detroit today. clearly such an uncomfortable position for cabinet secretary. >> true. relatively few number of people, goes to the heart of the credibility how it was sold. not complicated, going on amazon, get a new plan, keep your plan if you like it. that has proven not to be the case. the bigger issue here, if young healthy people are not signing up, the whole thing doesn't work. if they are keeping to their own plans, which o

so (calling names) and then if there's other cards as well as beverly upton >> hello, i'm elaine turning i came here to thank you today. i'm so appreciate that you are here to try to help us. we are desperate. thank you. >> i'm living in the same building as elaine i've been there thirty years we're are total of 6 unit being evicted on the 5 hundred block of lombard and innovate fourteen unit 0 that's 20 units on our street alone. on the 5 hundred block of cellist nut street we have february and april and july. the gentleman that i know in the cellist nut address is a 78 italian whose lived under thirty years and we call it italian city. how do we push out our italians and have a flavor and identify a sense of community. we are a total of 26 people that i know of for sure who are living within a block and a half all within a 6 month period to - the destruction is certainly losing our neighbors and so i'm - it would be wonderful if the preference can also be in one's own neighborhood so the neighborhood isn't destroyed but whatever can be done to assure us a home without having to leave t

congressman upton. >> how are you?he administration has been pouring it out there. and it is the insurance companies, they're to blame for the cancellations. you're not buying it? >> no, let's let individuals have a choice. we're hearing from lots of people in all of our districts and heard even the last week, a couple of states had maybe canceled all individual policies, but people are standing up everywhere and saying, hey, i'm getting the cancellation notice, i'm finding a replacement as high as maybe 400% and the deductible is rising, too. i thought if you liked your health plan you could keep it? so i introduced legislation last week, we have more than 100 co-sponsors. stuart: this is in the house. >> in the house, it says if you had an individual policy and the first of this year, 2013, that will cover you for not having to file under the exchanges or something else. that qualifies you to in essence keep your health insurance. stuart: you have a bill and it says you can't cancel this policy. >> but it says you ca

this is the heart and soul. >> thank you, next speaker, thank you, miss upton. >> i am beverly naylor, i am a musician, as is my husband, and we mentor youth in music in the neighborhood. we also open our home up every morning to a bris, we've been doing that for 12 years, many of them are here today, some of them have elected to come and stand with us. so i feel that we are really community activists in soipl ways in terms of bringing people together. i know many people who are here in support of us and our buddhist community also face the fears that we do. every day since this has happened my husband and i when the mail comes, we're, like, who's going to come look at the mail? it's a very scary time. in particular i want to bring up the tic loophole is a real concern that i think is facing beverly and i in that the profit to be made by evicting us and then being able to sell our units as tic units is most likely what our land lord is going to try and do. so that's a real fear. and i worry, i do worry about who will be left to live here. i know on our block we don't have any more chi

today only five more coming along for upton.e're not seeing a breakaway from this law by democrats which have been roundly and repeatedly predicted this week. >> a lot of these democrats are making a political calculation and using this as an opportunity to distance themself as the president. they have an eye on 2015. >> those would only be five more. you have 34 give or take as a trend line that are on record against the entire policy and only a handful who in response to everything we've heard, some of which has been concerning, only a handful saying they are going to come out and support the republican plan here. >> that's right. we should also keep in mind there are four republicans who voted against this too. they realize what's going on here. this civil war, democrat civil war that people are making a lot about, it is not like the conservative civil war where you have deep disagreements over policy. this is about implementation and they screwed that up and democrats aren't made about that, but they are not going to abandon

so i have to ask you, are you a little disappointed with fred upton's efforts today? >> no. not disappointed in the sense that i get what this was trying to do in the sense that you're trying to fix or address a concern that a lot of americans have expressed, those who have suddenly got letters saying they no longer could keep the plans they have. >> just to be clear, mike -- michael, just to be clear. what that was designed to do, was to continue a set of insurance policies which, frankly, contained very little when individuals hit sickness or ill health. >> that's not necessarily true. you have not looked at every policy that those 16 million americans who have been affected -- >> i haven't looked to 16 million shall but plenty of anecdotes. >> i appreciate this wanting to broadly sweep and characterize every insurance policy that falls into this particular trap as somehow being the worst god-awful plan these people have ever had. that's not necessarily the case, because they still kept those policies, and they want them back. so let's set that aside for a moment and deal

. >> host: and upton sinclair is in your book. >> guest: upton sinclair was 26 years old. e represents a younger generation. he's sort of rising in the rise of interest and equality among the races and sexes. the novel's also about women's right and women acquiring the vote. >> host: and jack london and grover cleveland are also in the book. >> guest: yes. they're both socialists. >> host: where do you get your ideas? >> guest: my idea for that novel came because i came to live in princeton, and i read some biographies of woodrow wilson and read about princeton. and i perceived in the biographies a portrait of a person much, much different from the sort of received notion of woodrow wilson as this novel person. i saw that he had many flaws, and i saw that his self-righteousness, his rectitude, his condescension toward negroes -- he called black people negroes -- and toward women i thought really needed to be examined. >> host: joyce carol oates, do you have any idea how many books you've sold? >> guest: no, i don't have any idea. >> host: do you have any idea how many awar