are we instructing vaj to go? >> that would be a staff thing that is something that the staff would handle. the staff, or the executive director would make a decision how she was going to direct her investigator. >> there is, you are done. there is no more talking for you. i am sorry >> commissioner hyde? >> yeah. i would like to instruct staff to have vaj go over and i am sorry to put more on vaj but i feel like the neighbors would feel more secure with a representative and i think that they have a reason to if there is problems, if they start conducting it on their own, where we are just asking for more problems? if they are doing it together? i think that we need a representative and i think that the neighbors are giving me a clear signal that that is what they are hoping for. >> clarification. you are suggesting that i use mr. grineli for the first day. >> yes. >> the first day only. >> only. >> but the step before that, not the day of. >> the day of. >> the day before. >> before the concert. >> then you need

they can't negotiate for us. >> we will be lucky to get vaj here one day. i get it. >> so, i don't think that i am missing anything at this point and then, of course. the other thing that i am concerned about is the notion that it is conditioned off ours and is sounds great. mechanically how does that work. >> thank you, yes. >> miss king? >> thank you. >> yeah, so the one-day, time event permit is issued from the office administratively. >> right. >> if the... am i on a timer, the commission instructs the staff to put on the conditions that is the way that we would do that. it might be my suggestion to the commission that we i mean, you know, potentially i could issue one and if it does not go well, not issue the balance or something like that. but, there is a certain amount of faith in this process, and where we are in all of this. whether it is the permanent one or the one-time one, it is an issue of good faith on the part of everybody and again i want to reiterate that my resources are slim he has not only done one test, he has done multiples out there

so, it is not just the dbs on the highs, because vaj is not finding that or the dbs on the mid range, we are finding base dbs. >> that is exactly what i targeted my presentation to. >> we measured the same thing >> so vaj, if this commission granted them at a lower volume until they were completed and they cut out under the mega hertz under 160, db because you visited the property, what do you think that the results of that would be? >> just for clarification for myself, we are talking about granting a permit, basically going with the acoustic only? >> do they have all of the sign-offs in all of the areas? nicholas? >> that is not clear to me. and the applicant says that they do and i see, at least three outstanding. that is sometimes is just the other department not communicating or sometimes something that is not done. >> okay. so, in order for a conditional permit that is granted through this commission, to be a permit, you have to have all of your sign-offs. so, building and planning you would not be here and just so building and planning and electrical, sound, and you have to hav

i think that is the end of my report, and i am going to hand it over to vaj to update you on the last two weeks. >> commissioners. again, as director king said we cannot go into the detail on sloan currently because it is an open case being handled by sfpd and we are doing a little bit of investigation work our ownselfs. what we can say is that there was a major incident involving sloan that resulted in a loss of life. and that we are moving, or that is being investigated and that it is still an open case. currently, we have a few incidents over the last few weeks and we had an incidents on yoshi's on fillmore and everyone makes the same face when i say that. what basically happened is they brought in a third party promoter and resulted in a large scale, i don't want to use the rword. but fight. inside and outside of the venue, a blockage of the street and additional units had to be called in to clear the area. northern station and the staff met with yoshi last week and there is new conditions put on the permit and they fully understand the mistakes that they had made at that point an

vaj could you? >> and just some e-mails that i have gotten recently, although, steve i cannot attend the hearing but i am against it who are paying guests this is from the best western and this is a neighbor in the area, this is object to any live entertainment granted to this business this is for the february 5th hearing. frankly after the officer admitted that he was inundated with complaint calls i am appalled that you would have considered this. jones should never have opened as an outside bar they get drunker and drunker as the night goes o >> there are complaints as far as the noise and another one from, let's see. this was one of the women, or one of the neighborhood associations at the very end, thanks for keeping us informed of this as this individual poses a serious threat to the habitat or the quality of the area. and i just wanted... >> i have another question for you. do they have speakers outside? on their patio? do they project the music on to the patio during the operating hours? >>

but, again, i have to agree that until we figure out, i mean, whether vaj goes in there and say that you can only play at 60 dbs i don't know what the answer is. but i kind of agree with the rest that i don't think that... i think that the razz room in general is definitely a need and it has already been proven. there has been a lack of entertainment spots for places like, for these groups, and these things, but, the neighbors, you know, right above them, i kind of, you know, i feel for them as well. i mean i have neighbors in my alley that, you know that i have to deal with. but that is clear across the alley, i can imagine when it is above them or right under them. so, i think that you know, i kind of like to say that until the sound proofing is taken care of, or somehow that we could temporarily grant one but at a very low, i mean if it is acoustics at a very low vaj or whatever the neighbors don't hear them at all. until they could get the sound proofing done. >> does the staff know when the sound proofing will be complete? >> >> no, we do not, we have not gotten any work time li

but all in all, i am, i have a regular daily conference with either vaj or josyln and i believe that we are on top of all of the issues that come up. broad way, as you know has been an issue, in the last three or four months, and because we took immediate action from director cain and we shut down one of the places on an emergency 72-hour suspension that place never reopened and i believe that reduced our problems significantly. and so we are mainly when we go out, we are concentrating on polk street corridor and the union street and the broad way street geary street and 16th street corridor. >> could i ask you a question. >> what exactly, you said something about a disservice to the public, what did you mean by that? >> well, for instance, if you go back and look at a tape tuesday night, last commission hearing, there is an issue with one club which has been an ongoing problem for sound proofing they had agreed to continue it and get the sound proofing done. the police department denied the permit based on the fact that the sound proofing was not completed we asked for a continuance