he stands for a voucherizing medicare and that is the debate you want to have went you are a democrat. >> charles? >> i don't know where to start. abortion is the only social issue that has moved right over the last generation. gay rights, other things, obviously the countries become more liberal. but abortion, i think in part as a result of ultrasound and technology, is remarkable in that a majority of people are pro-life. it is a narrow majority, so it it is a not a gimme issue for the democrats. i agree with mark on that. it is an insult to the intelligence of the american people to define him as a guy who wants to voucherize medicare. his plan, ron wyden has joined in, would allow normal medicare to continue as an option and he does not at all cut off the old medicare. and it does not affect anybody over 55. to demagogue it and to say in florida to old people that you are going to lose medicare is simply false. you can win with allies, but -- with lies, and it requires a belief that you can just propagandize anything. >> the reality is that by a 51- 34 margin, voters said they wan

but on medicare, it is an insult to the american people to define him as a guy who wants to voucherize medicare paid his plan, which ron wyden joined in on, allows normal medicare to continue as an option, and it does not at all cut off the old medicare. it does not affect anybody over 55. to demagogue it had to say to all people in florida that you will lose medicare is simply false. you can win with lies, but it requires a belief that you can just propagandize anything. >> 30 seconds. >> the "wall street journal"-nbc poll lead output options. 3-2, voters said they wanted medicare preserved. evan makes the case that you cannot afford it. that is legitimate and compelling, but given the choice, republicans are on the defensive. >> how was the alternative to fight in the poll? >> bill mcintosh, republican pollster, romney's poller's partner -- >> tell me what he wrote. what were the words? >> if we have time, i will get a doubt -- >> i have the time. .> we don't have time >> if i am the president of the united states and a few months here -- [applause] i will set a national goal of america and n

in 1995, then house speaker newt gingrich wanted to voucherize medicare. he wanted to privatize it. e l.a. times reported it then, gingrich predicted congress would undertake a major reform of medicare. one alternative would be a voucher program where they would choose among several competing private health plans. so medicare goes away, grandma gets a coupon and a prayer and a visit to the private insurance market. before paul ryan ever proposed getting rid of medicare that way, newt gingrich did it en1995. that's an underappreciated part of why we got four more years of president clinton in 1996. the president tied newt gingrich and his voucher medicare stuff like a lead weight to bob dole's neck in the '96 election. >> against medicare again. dole/gingrich tried to cut $270 billion. bob dole, wrong in the past. wrong for our future. >> dole/gingrich then. romney/ryan this year. that's what the democrats were going to do anyway. now it's a lot easier. bill clinton won a second term in '96. of course. another poster child for privatizing the social safety net is this guy. >> you ask

on voucherizing medicare, i'm not him on this personhood, which criminalizes abortion rights. where is he going to say look, ryan's a radical. i'm a center rightist? >> number one, ryan is not the top of the ticket. romney is, so you will not hear mitt romney say i am not ryan. you will likely hear and i expect to hear certainly about the time you get to the convention, ryan saying that i am romney. i think that's the order of things. i think what you're seeing, i would agree with bob on this point. there has been sort of a disconnect or a disconcerted effort to try to bring all this together. quite frankly, if you're going to go and open up this election, which i think it should be, to a choice election, where you're going to bring ryan in, then you'd better have that script together. be on the same page from the first interview with cbs and 60 minutes where he started distancing himself saying i got my own plan, to what you just played last night where he goes well, our plans are pretty much the same. you cannot start this argument. again, i agree with bob, this national deb

the real problem is that what ryan did was voucherize medicare. it's not a guarantee anymore.ow risk of inkraesed health care costs transferred from the government to senior citizens and every senior citizen in america is going to know that and that's not going to help them. >> all right, guys. we're going to have to leave it there. >> not current seniors. not current seniors. 55 and older exempted out of the program. you're talking about my 18-year-old son, my 20-year-old son, when they get to retirement they will have the option. >> and we will leave that there for now and come back to this conversation, no doubt, governor dean. >> yes, we will. >> hugh. >>> so much more ahead. stay with us. >> before the break we were discussing the brave fiscal ministry of paul ryan who says his deep budget cuts to programs for the poor are in accordance with catholic doctrine. now in response, the u.s. conference of u.s. bishops reply and i hope i'm pronouncing my latin correctly [ bleep ]. [ aa ri a [ aa ri a itnlthakr tw♪d ri listerine® whiteni r mo a who learned to fly. not with wings

it is an sult to the intelligence of the american people to define him as a guy who wants to voucherize medicar to his plan, which ron wydenen has joined in, allows it normal medicare to continue as option. it does not at all cut off the old medicare. and it does not affect anybody over 55. to demagogue it and sta and its lead to the old ople that you are going to lose medicare is simply false. you can win with lies, but it requires a belief that y you can propagandize anything. >> the nbc poll laid out both options, and by a 51-34 margin, voters said theyanted medicare preserved the weight it is. now, evan makes the case you cannot afford itit. that is legitimate and compelling, but the reality is given the choice, the republicans are on the defensive. >> how was the alternative to find in the pol >> it was defined fairly, because bill mcintff republican pollster romney's pollster's partner -- >> don't tell me who wrote it. tellll me what he wrote. >> if we have time, i will get out -- >> we don't have time. >> if i am the president of the united stas in a few months re -- [applause] i will se

medicare card. >> reporter: he won't change their program, but to everyone younger, romney is promising changes, including a voucher option for private coverage. >> cheers. >> reporter: championed by his running mate congressman paul ryan, aimed at americans worried about medicare in the future. >> it voucherizes medicare and shifts costs to seniors. >> reporter: team obama quickly reacted. >> seniors on average will see costs rise by $6,400 per year. not the right policy. >> reporter: ryan and romney are appealing to younger voters, obama voters. >> this is the debate we want to have. this is a debate we need to have and a debate we're going to win. >> reporter: distracting attention from medicare, romney today surprisingly revealed the bottom lines from ten years of his tax returns, that he still won't release. >> every year i paid at least 13%, and if you add in addition the amount that goes to charity, it never gets above 20%. >> the tax rate for millionaires like romney is 35% on regular income. it's 15% on capital gains in romney's bracket. the obama campaign tonight is demanding romney release all his return

medicare is. it turns it into a voucher program. ocket cost for seniors by thousands of dollars each year. and the president is committed to its preservation, the affordable care act extends the solvency of medicare by eight years. the president's budget finds additional medicare and medicaid savings and would extend its solvency by another two years. the president has been working towards solutions to promote medicare solvency. but what this does is it radically restructures medicare. >> final question, david axelrod, your boss, this morning compared sarah palin to paul ryan, seemingly trying to draw a link between them in the voters' minds. but let's be honest, paul rion is very different from sarah palin. he's a policy and intellectual leader of his party. and sarah palin isn't even speaking at their convention. why this desperate attempt to link the two? >> david was asked about the crowds that governor romney has seen at his events for the first time in the past couple of days. and what david was saying was that it reminded him

notton how to answer the most obvious question on the table, which is why do you want to turn medicare into a voucher system? one thing i will disagree with your other guests on, look, you won't be able to move on. this is about medicare until move. there won't be a pivot back to the original message of jobs. what romney wanted to run on. when you put a guy on your ticket, probably the strongest ideologue in the republican party and his ideology reinvolves around changing medicare, you have to have that conversation on election day. >> thank you, both. appreciate your time. >> thanks, craig. >>> the bond between president obama and vice president biden, and how they work together we'll talk about that in ten minutes. >>> and officials in dallas ground plans to spray a pesticide due to bad weather. west nile virus is blamed for killing ten people in the dallas-ft. worth area and infecting others. this week, the city started aerial spraying for the first time in 45 years. the centers for disease control and prevention says the en pidec is spreading. >>> take a look at this torrential rain soaked southe

this will still become an issue, do you want to voucherize medicare, do you want to change the way we determine the retirement age of social security. these are questions that need to be addressed. but will it take mitt romney off his it's the economy, it's the economy, or can they weave it into an argument that the american people will listen to? >> it's official. the romney campaign announced paul ryan will be the vice presidential running mate. a lot of democrats are excited. they think this is great news for them. they've been falsely excited in the past on other campaigns. are they legitimately -- do they really have a legitimate source of glee right now that paul ryan is the running mate? >> they think they do. ask me november 7th. i'll let you know whether they're right or not. listen, it's not just about the top of the ticket here. i'm hearing from democrats particularly on the house side going, yippee. big, big help down ticket. we don't have to explain the ryan plan. we just say see that guy, our opposition voted with him. you see this sort of emerging -- they have to bring

he wants to junk medicare instead of a voucher program that sends a big new slice of money to the insurance companies. we know he wants to use the rest of the money to eliminate all taxes on the top 1 rst of people in this country. the people who make money off money. he wants to eliminate the capital gains tax, period. did you hear the rest of his health plan? he wants to basically criminalize abortion by declaring the fertilized human egg a person. if you use an iud a murderer. this is why newt gingrich calls this guy a radical ring wing social engineer and last night his new paul mitt romney says his plan is identical to ryan's. is mitt romney willing to defend what ryan has once done? is he ready to stand in national debate and i'm i'm for dumping medicare and making abortion premeditated murder? is mitt ready to climb aboard the ryan express and let the right wing social engineer change the direction of this country? with me now two politico pros. michael steele and bob shrum. i want to start with shrum. mitt romney finally admitting he's running on the paul ryan plan. last night he to

championed by his running mate, congressman paul ryan. >> it voucherizes medicare and shifts costs to seniors. >> t-mobile, quickly reacted. -- the obama team quickly reacted. >> ryan and his team are appealing to younger voters. this is a debate we will win. >> distracting attention from medicare, romney revealed the bottom line from 10 years of his tax return. that he still will not release. >> every year i paid at least 13%. if you add in addition the month that -- the amount that goes to charity, the amount goes well above 20%. >> the obama campaign demanded that romney release his tax returns. happy to focus on from the's financial health. >> the winning ticket has been sold. >> someone in michigan. not here in maryland. the region and town is a buzz on who the potential multi millionaire could be. >> part of the p 90 x workout >> it was a busy afternoon for emergency occurs in baltimore. this was the scene at 3:00 p.m. police tell us that of car lost control and crashed into a home. investigators cannot determine the extent of the injuries or how many people were involved in the

> reporter: romney's message to medicare users and any american over 55, he won't change that program, but to everyone younger, he's promising change, including a voucher option for private coverage. championed by his running mate, congressman paul ryan, aimed at americans worried about medicare in the future. >> it voucherizes medicare, shifts costs to seniors. >> reporter: team obama quickly reacted. seniors on average will see costs rise by $6400 per year. not the right policy. >> reporter: ryan and romney are appealing to younger voters, obama voters. >> this is the debate we want top, we need to have and we're going to win. >> reporter: romney today surprisingly revealed the bottom lines from ten years of his tax returns, that he still won't release. >> every year i've paid at least 13%. if you add, in addition the amount to goes to charity, well, then the number gets above 20%. >> the tax rate for mill jersey nair is 35% on regular income. the obama campaign quickly demanded that he release his tax returns form i'm 1250i78 handle man, news4. >>> bock mcdonnell will get a prime speaking spot later this month. gop officials announced he'll be a spe

mitt romney favors the wealthy over the middle class and talked about them turning the medicare system into a voucher like program. >> they're trying to throw everything at the wall to see what stings. t the latest is to talk about medicare. you'd think they'd avoid talking about medicare given the fact that both have proposed to voucherize medicare. but i guess they figure the best defense is to try to go on offense. >> the president says romney wants seniors to get a voucher which could force seniors to pay an extra $6,400 a year while giving the wealthy a tax break. >>> with the first nominating convention next week, the the cities are making last minute preps. police in tampa are securitying sites that will be used by the republican national convention. officers showed off their uniforms and some of their swat gear. the convention starts august 27th and runs through the 30th. meanwhile, police in charlotte are making their own plans for the democratic national convention there. several law enforcement agencies are also going over security plans. the dnc convention begins september 3 and runs thro

the ryan plan -- the first version of it turns medicare into a voucher program, ends the guarantee thatreds the health care safety net for seniors, and takes away the promise that we made more than 50 years ago to seniors in america that there was a floor through which we were not going to allow you to fall through so that you and your family would not have to face medical bankruptcy. which before medicare, too many seniors did. we had to make sure that we took health care and keeping seniors healthy off the table so they weren't having to choose between medicine and meals. mitt romney and paul ryan turn medicare into a voucher program then repeal the affordable care act which takes away the preventive benefits, the without the deductible or copay that open the doughnut hole again and increase prescription drug costs. it cuts benefits for seniors while president obama enhances benefits for seniors. >> and at the end of the day romney still doesn't know if he backs ryan. listen to this. >> some people are saying you can making it a referendum on paul ryan's budget plan. >> well, i have m

medicare pay for quality. ryan does it by moving to a voucher program. u think will be more effective. >> take a look at this romney campaign ad. it is the new tv ad and attacking the present on medicare coming from romney's side. >> you paid into medicare for years. every paycheck. now when you need it, obama has cut $716 billion from medicare. why? to pay for obama care. so now the money you paid for your guaranteed health care is is going to a massive new government program that's not for you. the romney/ryan plan protects medicare benefits for today's seniors and strengthen it is plan important the next generation. >> again, the obama campaign had a response to that. the saving his ad attacks do not cut a single guaranteed medicare benefit and mitt romney embraced the same savings when he promised he would sign paul ryan's budget. there we go again. back again. david here. the shell game that goes on here. paul ryan assumes the cut that is obama recommended in his affordable act bill, in fact, carried and signed. and yet, he says i wouldn't go that ro

. >> is voucherizes medicare, shifts costs to seniors. >> team obama quickly reacted. >> seniors will see costs rise by $6400 per year. not the right policy. >> reporter: ryan and romney are appealing to younger voters, obama voters. >> this is a debate we want to have, this is a debate we need to have and this is a debate we're going to win. >> reporter: but distracting attention from medicare, romney today surprisingly revealed bottom lines from ten years of his tax returns, that he still won't release. >> every year i paid at least 13%, and if you add in addition the amount that goes to charity, why, the number never gets above 20%. >> the tax rate is 35% on regular income. the obama campaign quickly demanded that romney release his tax returns. i'm steve handelsman, news4. >>> a spokesman for the romney/ryan camp continues to claim that the obama campaign is continues to run a fear and smear campaign. >>> governor bock mcdonald will speak there, the announcement just today. the exact date and time of his speech will not about el released. the convention begins august 27th and runs

but they're arguments for voucherizing medicare.nt to acknowledge that's what they're doing. instead they talk about this phony stuff about obama cuts. in the ryan speech he talked about a plant shut in janesville under obama. gm announced that they were closing that plant in june of 2008. well, they don't want to talk about the auto rescue, because that has been very successful. and mitt romney opposed it. but i think there's a real challenge here to journalism. because the romney campaign is going to keep trying to push these things. mainstream journalists are going to have to push back and say no, this isn't true. they're going to try to say this is just liberals attacking us. well, facts aren't liberal. facts are facts. and i think the people are going to have to keep pushing back. >> well, joe, ryan did say that this plant closed in janesville. let me show you what he said. >> okay. >> right there at that plant candidate obama said i believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another hun

medicare, the way they want to do this right now, ryan wants to turn it into a voucher. this is what they want to do. they want to turn medicare into a voucher or what he calls -- >> premium support. >> such a premium. he also wants to raise eligibility age to 67. and seniors would pay $6,400 more. house does the country move ahead under this plan? >> i don't know how seniors pay $6,400. they don't have the income to do this to begin with. in case of the eligibility, we have more and more team who should be getting health care in their early 60s who are going to get sicker because they don't have health care until they're 67. >> what about the voucher program? this basically is taking people and saying we're going to give you some money and you're -- an allotment of funds and you're going to be able to go out into the private sector and pick any insurance company you want. >> the problem with it is is what he's really doing is saying we're going to make a fixed contribution to your care rather than provide you with the care. and under the last iteration of his plan, for e

it basically says we're going to cut taxes, make medicare a voucher program. he initially mean social security volunteer but has backed off that. it is going to be interesting. have given it harder for the obama campaign to go at romney. he will muftis at the convention. >>brian: we have some fog at the golden gate. and " it is making for cool temperatures at the close. upper 50s and low 60s. coffee inland temperatures are above 50 degrees warmer. well over 100 in livermore and fairfield. as we go into the afternoon look for sunshine and more hot weather inland. >> everyone is inside at the festival. >>vicki: gas prices have been affected by the chevron refinery fire. the average price is up $4.70. an increase of 155 in the last week. in oakland, $4 even. if you are looking for the cheapest prices in the area grant lodes tells us how to find them. >> our gas price locator is helping people find the cheapest gaster of the bay area. the darkest read indicates the most expensive gas. the orange and yellow indicates a cheaper gas. click this button to zoom in. you

. >> voucher medicare, it shifts costs to seniors. the president's plan does none of that. >> he raided $716 billion from medicare to pay for obama care. >> reporter: romney remains on the offensive, promising to restore what the president cut while the president is appealing to seniors warning the gop plan would eventually cost them an extra $6,400 a year. >> there is no doubt there are a lot of conservatives who want to have and are hungry for this policy debate. >> reporter: on another topic, the white house said despite reason gaffes by joe biden, he remains the president's vice presidential pick, even though mccain for one said biden should be replaced. >> i have great respect for john mccain. one place i would not go for advisor vice presidential running mates is mccain. >> reporter: romney sought to settle questions on another issue: his taxes. he didn't release anymore records but reviewed them and has not paid less than 13% any year over the last decade n. washington, jennifer davis, fox news. >>> mitt romney's running mate pa

voucherizing medicare. let's be clear. those are coupons. americans, especially women, ages 30 to 50, who clip coupons, clip coupons to save themselves at the grocery store and don't like the theory of couponing american society. they don't want to coupon old people or their children's education. paul ryan is a perfectly nice guy. his positions are out of the mainstream and of american society. it is a fact. joe biden will point that out and ham their home in october. >> i'm looking forward to that debate. thanks so much to both of you. before we go to break, more trouble today for team romney as yet another musical agent tells the gop ticket they are just not going to take it anymore. which one? just watch as paul ryan is introduced at a campaign event tuesday in pennsylvania. twisted sister took one look at that and fired off this statement. i emphatically denounce paul ryan's use of my band twisted sister's song in any capacity. there is almost nothing he stands for that i agree with. except the use of the p90x. mr. ryan, it is time to ch

and his plan is to voucherize medicare. >> rose: the country doesn't know whether it wants obamacare but it knows it wants medicare, that is what the message it. >> they definitely want medicare. >> could i just say that on the day that the todd aiken story broke, i watched both these guys give stump speeches. not one word from either one of them about the so-called social issues. and you know, romney was trying, is trying to move toward the center. but his party just won't let him. >> you guys all talked to people inside the romney campaign. if you would lay out all these arguments as i'm sure you have, what would they say? >> unlike ability is going up. these issues are against you and you've done nothing to fix them, hispanics, women, what would they say in they say you've got it all wrong because we're waiting for our moment, our moment hasn't gone. we've got tons of money. our campaign will redefine, people aren't paying attention, what else? >> those are some of the things they would say. i think in their mind the, you mentioned a bunch of things. you talked about the fact that