. >> this week on "the communicators," senator ron wyden talks about anti-piracy legislation in congress including his own proposal to discourage counterfeiters and others from selling bad products or products that are not their own over the internet. >> host: well, there are a couple pieces of anti-piracy legislation working their way through the capitol hill process as we speak. the author of an alternative to that legislation is senator ron wyden, a democrat of oregon, who joins us on "the communicators." senator wyden, first off, what are your issues with the protect and the sopa anti-piracy legislative pieces? >> guest: both of them are, essentially, using a bunker-buster bomb when what you need is a laser beam. look, there is no question that there are some bad actors out there. there are people who sell tainted viagra or fake roll lexes or movies they don't own, and as far as i'm concerned, you ought to handcuff them. but these bills go way, way beyond that and particularly they do a tremendous amount of damage to the architecture of the internet. i mean, basically, what they do i

wyden: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from oregon. mr. wyden: thank you, mr. president. i think senator durbin speaks for ever member of the senate. such a decent, caring, and thoughtful man, and all of us have so enjoyed working with senator kirk during his time in the senate. we can preallot various kinds of bills -- we can relate various kinds of bills. but, godspeed, senator kirk to a healthy recovery. we are thinking of you tonight and nur our prayers. i'm very glad the senior senator from illinois has reflected the concerns of everybody from his home state tonight. i want to take a few minutes with senator moran tonight to reflect on the events of the last few days with respect to the internet legislation, and i want to begin by thanking majority leader harry reid for reopening the debate on anticounterfeiting and copyright protection legislation. in pulling the protect i.p. act from the floor, leader reid has given the united states senate an opportunity to get this policy right. the senate now has the opportunity to consult all of the stakeholders, in

the author of an alternative to that legislation is senator ron wyden a democrat of oregon who joins us on "the communicators." senator wyden first off, what are your issues with the protect and the sofa antipiracy legislative pieces? >> both of them are essentially using a bunker buster bomb which indeed is a laser beam. look, there is no question that there are are some bad actors. there are people who sell tainted or fake rolexes or movies they don't own and as far as i'm concerned you want to handcuff them, but he's done go way way beyond that and particularly they do a tremendous amount of damage to the architecture of the internet. basically what they do is turn web sites into web cops. basically, you would have a web site trying to monitor enormous amounts of data. youtube alone gets 24 hours of content every second. it would be impossible to monitor. nobody really even tries except for the chinese and the iranians. >> host: saying that they go too far for you, what is your alternative proposal that u.n. representative darrell issa, republican of california, have proposed? >>

senator wyatt -- wyden propose that. >> host: gary shapiro speaking of the international aspect first of all if he would talk about the international aspect of the show, how many visitors from out of the country attend here and are those piracy bills something people care about beyond the u.s. borders? >> guest: everyone looks to what the u.s. does in terms of their policy so we are leader and it's very important what we do. of course this is about as regulating international web site so we have to be careful. we have about dirty 235 international visitors come to the show. it's a great source of income to the united states. we have people spending their hard-earned money to stay in las vegas hotels. they probably gamble some and eat here and it's a great thing. if encouraged more business into the united states but we have government officials as well. they're looking at what we we are doing and it's something that's a matter of national policy that's good to encourage people to come to u.s. and see what we are doing sierra culture get to know us and be in my view a major policy of o

government are copyright holders and that's why senator wyden has said that even if you yank the d.m.s. filtering sections the bill is still not something you can support and civil liberties groups that said the same thing so it doesn't make protect they feel wonderful thing and so even if they the sponsors removed that section you're still going to a lot of controversy about the bill so let's get into some of what was said and done this week and i'm going to start with harry reid who was on meet the press and basically he's saying that i matter what the president's done he still wants to move forward with protect ip still wants people to vote on it but he made it into a different kind of issue take a listen. we're having a very important piece of legislation important to this network right here. that's of course having with informational with with making sure that we have intellectual property that's protected and we need to do that and that that's also job sepulchral that's what we need to work on things create jobs and protect the american economy. since one of these was to be jobs

important, but also the members that were here with me from energy and commerce and so on and senator wyden get us here, then get us back in congress talking about how we do no harm to the internet but, in fact, help protect intellectual property, probably the most important asset the developed world and the united states have. >> host: darrell issa is hair chairman of the oversight and government reform committee. he joins us at the consumer electronics show this las vegas. >> guest: thank you. >> host: "the communicators" attended the consumer electronics show in las vegas in january. for the next several weeks, we'll be showing you these interviews as well as some of the latest technology. our web site, c-span.org/communicators. >> ahead on c-span2, remarks on federal anti-drug efforts by white house drug control policy director gil kerlikowske. after that, the u.s. conference of mayors beginning with a speech by white house senior adviser david plouffe who previews president obama's state of the union speech. then the mayors of tacoma, washington, and denver discuss funding for job trai

now i'm curious though there is you know while sopa and pipa are dead right now ron wyden had last year introduced something called the open act which at first didn't really go anywhere some people laughed it off but now it's helping paper dead it seems more and more like it just might be a possibility and this is something that the tech giants out there that google that facebook twitter that linked in actually support so you know what do you think of it. well and i want to be very clear sopa and pipa if we're going to use the dead metaphor then we have to think of them as as somebodies as the undead because they are not their heads have been cut off unfortunately these these bills go they've been shelved and they've certainly the representatives behind them have certainly been sort of shamed by the public but they are not dead and we still have to be very very proactive open you know which one had talked about for many many months comes at fighting this much more intelligently then. even came close to because it was written with some actual technologist at the table but we need to go a

to turn back i mean we know that for example senator ron wyden has written a preselector to the president telling him that hey you know you did this without congressional approval normally international treaties although i guess the president tried to change the language and just call it an agreement require congressional approval there's a white house petition out there that has at least six thousand signatures calling for president obama to do something about this so you know is there is there anything that can still be done. i mean it is sort of futuristic as we saw protests and with anonymous mobilizing and bringing down u.s. government websites i don't think that everybody has to go and jump on board and participate to that extent there is really just a classic way of doing it which is get in touch with your legislator let them know you're concerned about it and hopefully the american democratic machine will kick into effect and it may be congress will decide to act on this to decide that that really act is not something that totally exists within existing u.s. law or maybe it's just

wyden: madam president? the presiding officer: the senator from oregon. mr.yden: i commend my colleague from oregon for his fine statement -- i would be happy to yield to the senator from new york. mr. schumer: i ask unanimous consent that i be allowed to speak immediately after senator wyden for no more than five minutes. the presiding officer: is there objection? die hear objection? -- i do hear objection? hearing no objection. mr. wyden: madam president, i thank the senator from new york for his courtesy. and i, too, will be brief. madam president, it is an extraordinary honor to represent oregon in the united states senate. and having this special privilege, i've tried to make the lodestar of my service transparency and accountability. it's why i worked with the distinguished senator from missouri, senator mccaskill, to end secret holds here in the united states senate, why i've had more than 600 open town meetings, why we take legislative drafts and put them on-line so that citizens can comment wherever possible. it's all about transparency and accountab

senator ron wyden said he will filibuster the bill. on the house side of the judiciary committee has strong support for the bill. we have seen signs there is wavering of the support. it is hard to determine to what will happen on the house depending on the changes. >> thank you for being on "the communicators." >> thank you for having me. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] >> see what a caucus looks like with video from previous years online at the c-span video library. through tuesday are c-span cameras are following the 2012 election. political guests are taking your calls on "washington journal." later on, the results of all of the nearly 1800 caucuses. plus, candidates speeches. for more resources used c-span campaign 2012 website to watch videos. see what the candidates have said on issues important to you. that's at c-span.org/campaign 2012. >> in the final de more than i will pull ahead of tuesday's caucasus has just been released this evening. it show

>> guest: senator wyden said that for more again that the history of health care reform is that bills go to the congressional budget office to die. the irony is there was the health care reform after that point* enacted but what he had in mind moseley was the clinton health care reform of 1994 where a certain they became part of collor that it was the cbo cost estimates and the report on that particular legislation that killed it. there was a lot of things that killed it and that was one of them but anybody who can live through that episode certainly came away with the perception and cbo is a powerful organization that could kill something if it could be killed on the basis of that economic hour budget analysis. >> host: newt gingrich recently said last month the cbo is a reactionary socialist institutions in. >> guest: he did say that. given a statement that could be extracted time to time, i think one of the most interesting things about that comment to me when i talk to people within the cbo having close contact with him that he was speaker of the house, what they said it is the sa

obviously the senate bill when it was introduced had rod bipartisan support but senator wyden has said he will filibuster the bill on whether or not they have the votes to overcome that remains in doubt. on the house side they did judiciary committee has strong support for the pill. we have seen some signs that there is wavering in support so it's hard to determine what's going to happen depending on the changes that will be made. >> host: as always, thanks for being on "the communicators." >> guest: thanks for having me. now pbs news ours jim lehrer discussing his new book and taking your questions at the miami book fair international on the campus of miami-dade college. this is about 40 minutes. >> what is the first time he hosted a presidential debate? >> it was in 1988, between then vicepr president george h. w. bh and michael dukakis who was then the governor of massachusetts or former governor and hego was the democratic nominee. remem >> host: what you remember about that debate? it was hairy in every way i had imagined, and even got hairy before the debate began. there was a, i

senator wyden's proposals that we've been moving forward with a business opportunity. but the challenges that we just don't have enough jobs out there, number one. for the people who are unemployed on the system. and yes, we do deal with the skill levels which may increase the availability of jobs for some. we still don't have enough jobs. the incentive issues i care about frequently and yes from the employer point of view it's good to have some additional incentives from the employee's point of view people want to work and we run across the problem that if you are unemployed in a tough economic time and you are looking for a job commodore chance of getting that job is less likely than someone who is already employed looking for a job with the exact same skill levels as everything else. there's discrimination against people who don't have employment today. i guess my question to you, tell me specifically how we can address the guidelines or policies and our federal unemployment insurance law that would give you the best tools to deal with the challenges that we are con

it's similar to what paul ryan's proposing, as you know, ron wyden signed on to. the voucher does go up. the voucher does go up, based on the competitive increases driven by competition in the insurance plans which is exactly what you want. you want the private sector competing, driving down costs, improving efficiency, get rid of cme where government micromanages health care through medicare, medicaid. that's the advantage of a ryan plan. we have right now in essence either a government-run or a government-regulated private sector insurance system. what we need is a deregulated, not unregulated, but deregulated, private sector insurance plans to reduce cost. >> and if some seniors have to dig into their pockets to pay for it, that's okay? >> well, seniors dig into their pocket right now to pay for medicare. they pay for their medicare part b subsidy. almost every senior has a mehdi grap policy. why? the policy doesn't cover things they want so they have to buy additional coverage. instead of buying your medigap policy you buy a policy that has choices to take the

senator wyden? >> let me commend you and the vice chair of the way in which you put the focus in this committee on a bipartisan way, and i commend you for it. and all the witnesses in the table, i thank you for your outstanding service. it has been an extraordinary year. let me start with you, if i might, director clapper, with respect to iran. i have come to believe that iran's leaders are not going to give up their push for nuclear weapons capability unless they believe it is going to cost them their hold on power. do you share that assessment? >> senator wyden, that comports with the intelligence community assessments that if the decision is made to press on with the nuclear weapon and there are certain things they have not done yet to eventuate that, it will be based on cost- benefit analysis, starting with the supreme leader's world view and the extent to which he thinks it would benefit the state of iran and conversely not benefit. so, that is i think precisely where he is and it will be done

oregon senator ron wyden on a different version of the anti- terrorist legislation currently in congress -- anti-piracy legislation currently in congress. >> republican presidential candidate michelle bachmann has picked up the endorsement of 22 ministers. yesterday, she spoke briefly with reporters. ♪ >> happy new year to you. >> thank you. >> ♪ today is the day today is the day today is the day today is the day ♪ >> what's your name? >> my name is shirley. >> thank you, thank you. you live here in town? >> yes, my husband and i. by.e drove righrt have you been here forever? >> 25 years. >> oh, my goodness, that is forever. we have three in college. >> and you have 20-some others. [laughter] empty nest? three left? >> three left in college. 28 over the years. >> three left -- where are they? >> oh, all over the country. they are all over. >> my daughter did one year down at nazarene university. >> did she like it? >> she liked it very much, but she wanted to be closer to home, because her brother goes to the university of iowa. >> oh, ok. cedar falls? >> cedar falls? >> oh, good. >> i a

to the administration, we incorporated revised divisions suggested by other senators, like senator wydenwe redrafted the legislative measure. we reintroduced it as the preventing real on-line threats to economic creativity and theft of intellectual property act, the protect i.p. act. senator grassley joined me as an original cosponsor. i continued to work with republicans and democrats who showed interest. the measure was reported unanimously from the judiciary committee may of 2011. 40 senators from both democrats and republicans across the political spectrum cosponsored it. now, it's rare that editorial boards with divergent view points as "the washington post" and "wall street journal" would agree. here they do. as i've already noted, the problem of foreign rogue site sites -- web sites engage in piracy, theft and counterfeiti counterfeiting. this is one time when they do agree. mr. president, i ask that copies of the editorials i've referenced be included with my remarks -- at the end of my remarks. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. leahy: this is an issue the united stat

mary wells, jim, cliff freeman, george lois, and wyden, david kennedy, jeff goodby, rick silvershein,w riney and phyllis robinson, the last two who are no longer with us. this is for them and thank you so much. really really honored. [applause] kevin, kirk, peter nelson jimmy baldwin and jimmy greenway. [applause] >> the nominees for outstanding music and sound are. >> great migrations, "national geographic" channel. music by prudence, hbo documentary films, hbo. sins of my father, hbo documentary films, hbo. the matador, sundance. air war, world war ii in hd. history channel. >> and the emmy goes to great migrations, "national geographic" channel. [applause] >> accepting the emmy, kate hopkins, sound designer. ♪ >> someone is running. they are running. they are coming. it's your moment. come on. [applause] [applause] congratulations. [applause] >> thank you so much. i would like to thank the academy and david hammons for mixing the tracks. [inaudible] is fantastic, thank you so much. [applause] >> the nominees for outstanding cinematography, news coverage and documentaries are. >> a

. >> tonight, the different versions of legislation in congress, from senator ron wyden. >> it is essentialhat our spending habits take a 180 degree turn starting right now. tonight at midnight, the government will shut down if congress does not pass the continuing resolution. forecasters and goldman sachs have wanted to shave off growth every single week. in there have been warnings on the shutdown impact for u.s. economic recovery. caller: this -- >> this senate session was deceased and video library's most watch video of the year. watch for yourself on your home page. click on the most watched tab to view other moments from the past year. it is what you want, when you want. >> "washington journal" continues. host: we are back, a iowa from. -- we are back, a from iowa. and on your screen is robert haus, for the campaign for rick perry for president. let me bring up the poll that shows that your candidate is in fifth place. your reaction? caller: good morning. this race has been unlike anything i have ever seen before. it has been very fluid and flexible throughout. yesterday's survey even

but it ties in with all these things about liberals and the jeal concert and bill's wyden greatest wide embrace. john had been at one point not long before a president, president or chairman, i forget which for democratic action that extremely liberal institutions founded in 1945 arthur schlesinger jr. and several other people mentioned today. i can't remember who all was in it but was really liberal and john roche had been the president of it. gradually as the world changed at least on foreign policy, he found himself much more in tune with the "national review" and many of his former allies in the john asked if he did write a column for the "national review" in the bill said a delighted, please, start any time. so john wrote this column on the foreign policy and it was always brilliant. but i assumed we were far apart on domestic policy. and then one day i forget what subject came up with something to do with poverty or whatever and he gave an answer that let me to say you sound like an israeli conservative. he said know a catholic cenacle list. [laughter] these labels can be interpre

they are breaking the law wyden you enforce that law? of four months? >> all decisions related to the way this reticular protest has been handled has been made on the ground first and foremost, by the u.s. park police officers and commanders in terms, i served as a law-enforcement officer. they are granted a great deal of discretion what they've force and when they do it. >> my a time is running out. >> is there a political sensitivity to prevent you from enforcing the law? >> absolutely not. >> are you getting any sort of advice orders from people above you? >> i am regularly briefing the secretary of interior as would be expected with any issue but i am not a change direction on how the site should be handled. >> that will close with this because my time is running out. i had a staff member visit mcpherson park last night just to learn what is going on and obviously what we found out seconds your opinion that folks are sleeping, a camping, and i appreciate your candor and i don't think this is your decision. i appreciate that this city of washington d