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they can certainly make it more difficult for "the daily caller" to get access. n't think they'll ban them completely but if anybody tries to get into the white house with the words daily caller after their name or after their professional calling card, they will probably not get the access other people would and that will harm their ability to cover the white house i think pretty much. >> it does amaze me that the right wing, which prides itself upon responsibility, never wants to take its own responsibility in these sorts of situations. thank you so very much, my friend. >> my pleasure. >> joe williams, for coming on. >>> coming up, president obama's new immigration policy was not just the right thing to do, it was a political master stroke. the big panel of ron christie, ari melbourne will join me to watch mitt romney squirm. >>> and you knew it was coming, the romney ad about president obama making himself a one-term president. we'll look at how the president will fight back. this message. back from the worst economic depression. almost 4.3 million new jobs we
they can certainly make it more difficult for "the daily caller" to get access. n't think they'll ban them completely but if anybody tries to get into the white house with the words daily caller after their name or after their professional calling card, they will probably not get the access other people would and that will harm their ability to cover the white house i think pretty much. >> it does amaze me that the right wing, which prides itself upon responsibility, never wants...
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this jae identified from kneale monroe, from "the daily caller." i'm not up on my media personalities. he started screaming at the president in the middle of his statement, words to the effect of, why are you sending jobs to foreigners and not to americans? according to mr. monroe's twitter profile, he says he was born irish, a cold war bridegroom. i'm not sure what that means. he's worked for reputable places around town. afterwards he told reporters he was simply asking questions that we, the white house press corps woochbt. that's a comment we've heard, however most of is wait until the president was finished. >> mike viqueira, thanks very much. >>> a busy political day in nbc. let's turn to our political panel which is here with us. julian epstein is with law media group. here in new york city, joy reed, who's manager editor of the -- and at the white house, jonathan capehart. you're there at the white house. what do you make of this, another example of utter disrespect? >> reporter: i was not here for the rose garden ceremony, but i was rather
this jae identified from kneale monroe, from "the daily caller." i'm not up on my media personalities. he started screaming at the president in the middle of his statement, words to the effect of, why are you sending jobs to foreigners and not to americans? according to mr. monroe's twitter profile, he says he was born irish, a cold war bridegroom. i'm not sure what that means. he's worked for reputable places around town. afterwards he told reporters he was simply asking questions...
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and the press knows this except for the idiots and nut jobs over at things like "the daily caller" orut a little bit of decorum here. let him finish what he has to say. >> house this nut bag get a press pass in the first place? >> i'm sure it was one of those we better make sure we don't get any an taggism on the right by denying their people. >> f that. i'm tired of being nice to the far right bloggers. >> they're not journalists. >> stephanie: raised money on you lie at the president during the state of the union. it is really -- rude -- you can't have a disagreement with the president. you don't stick your finger in his face on camera. >> the guy is a freaking immigrant. check the status of his entire family. >> he's an immigrant from ireland. >> the other thing was the way the president handled it, the look he gave this guy, i would have been thinking oh, crap, there is a drone missile heading for my house. >> stephanie: one of the teeny tiny drones on its way. as you know, we're awaiting next hour and maybe on healthcare but supreme court rulings coming down. [ ♪ "world news toni
and the press knows this except for the idiots and nut jobs over at things like "the daily caller" orut a little bit of decorum here. let him finish what he has to say. >> house this nut bag get a press pass in the first place? >> i'm sure it was one of those we better make sure we don't get any an taggism on the right by denying their people. >> f that. i'm tired of being nice to the far right bloggers. >> they're not journalists. >> stephanie: raised...
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this guy from the daily caller, the conservative web site, he interrupts barack obama and i say it's a pure attention getting play for this guy. all right? he wants attention. the daily caller wants attention. but, again, it's a racist thing. he wouldn't do it to i'm going don't you people understand he wants attention. that's why he did it. >> listen, i would say that this reporter for the daily caller in a word is a jerk totally unprofessional. i think what's worse than what he did even turk tucker carlson didn't do anything wrong. he would have gold star i would have fired that reporter before he got back to the office. >> bill: why would have you fired him. >> because it's totally unprofessional to interrupt the president of the united states in the middle of his remarks supposedly to ask a question. it was one of those questions he wanted to get into the debate with the president. do you remember not that long ago a few years back that iraqi journalist threw a shoe at president bush more ever that a phi r. few liberals laughed their head off over it never mind that george w. bush
this guy from the daily caller, the conservative web site, he interrupts barack obama and i say it's a pure attention getting play for this guy. all right? he wants attention. the daily caller wants attention. but, again, it's a racist thing. he wouldn't do it to i'm going don't you people understand he wants attention. that's why he did it. >> listen, i would say that this reporter for the daily caller in a word is a jerk totally unprofessional. i think what's worse than what he did even...
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the idea that they gave the daily caller a white house pass is the crazyest idea i've ever heard. >>n the chicago tribune. we're bigger than the boston "bn globe". >> they have to give us a pass. >> sure they can. >> likability versus his approval rating has been a pretty big gap. the president was angry. the president came off looking horrible. he could have brushed it off with a joke. he seems like this race, i think, is now downing on the white house they may lose and he is not reacting well. >> he's horribly thin-skinned. the one article the media is really ignoring which you essential showed about reagan being interrupted is ap1987 article, why are grown men and women shouting at ronald reagan, and essentially they ended up blaming him because they say that reagan wasn't answering questions at ceremonies or press conferences. thank goodness for news busters for pointing that out. >> sean: that was the point, bob. this was not an original moment. the only difference is the media wasn't critical of what neil -- of what the other reporters did to reagan. that's hi hip puck hi hypoc
the idea that they gave the daily caller a white house pass is the crazyest idea i've ever heard. >>n the chicago tribune. we're bigger than the boston "bn globe". >> they have to give us a pass. >> sure they can. >> likability versus his approval rating has been a pretty big gap. the president was angry. the president came off looking horrible. he could have brushed it off with a joke. he seems like this race, i think, is now downing on the white house they...
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doesn't matter whether it's online or on you know will mcavoy fictional network or on fox or the daily caller a politico and this and b c we've got the worst of both worlds now what we try to do is get people to pull that apart and pick you know really report things with authority and dignity and ethics and empathy among all things it does seem like it's driven on a lot of fare and it's important to get your perspective from a lot of different sources and pick out your cash and sex or markable motives thank you so much to us christopher chambers journalism professor at georgetown university sam back here and a half hour thanks for joining us. i earned. more news today violence is once again flared up. these are the images the world has been seeing from the streets of canada. shankar for a shelter on the day. six .
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that our panel at the top of the show but today while the president was making his announcement about his new immigration policy there was a daily caller reporter that i got in we call it heckled him spoke out of turn you get take a look. talented driven patriotic young people it is the it is the right thing to do. excuse me sir there's not time for questions sir. not while i'm speaking. we are a better nation than one that expels innocent young kids and the answer to your question sir. and the next time i for you let me finish my statements before you ask that question is this is the right thing to do for the american people baby guy i didn't i didn't ask for an argument i'm answering your question it is the right thing to do for the american people. all right so the reporters name is neil munro he works for the daily caller and he said that he identified himself as an immigrant and then walked off that's according to other people who were there and he also says that he just missed his question to obama like my timing was so bad but i mean what do you think about this i mean this is the daily caller there are conservative website here
that our panel at the top of the show but today while the president was making his announcement about his new immigration policy there was a daily caller reporter that i got in we call it heckled him spoke out of turn you get take a look. talented driven patriotic young people it is the it is the right thing to do. excuse me sir there's not time for questions sir. not while i'm speaking. we are a better nation than one that expels innocent young kids and the answer to your question sir. and the...
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now, a statement from the daily caller. he said i know he, the president really takes questions before walking away from the podium. when i asked a question, he turned his back on the reporters while one other has questions. he may be referring to he. he said he wasn't aware the president was still speaking and others said he did not intend to heckle the president. >> yeah. thank you, michael. >> i'm done. >> did a fine job. no heckling. have a good weekend, mike. megapanel's here. multiple conversations, let's talk about so the cultural implication, the culture today. there's two trains of thought. one is there's a diminished level of respect for this particular president. this office. the other is the culture in general is disrespectful to everybody. all the time and this is a progression of that. >> not only that, but this wasn't just an isolated incident. >> not only that, you see why he did something like that when you go on twitter. there's all the -- >> msnbc in the afternoon. >> you're going to get talked about. i'm
now, a statement from the daily caller. he said i know he, the president really takes questions before walking away from the podium. when i asked a question, he turned his back on the reporters while one other has questions. he may be referring to he. he said he wasn't aware the president was still speaking and others said he did not intend to heckle the president. >> yeah. thank you, michael. >> i'm done. >> did a fine job. no heckling. have a good weekend, mike. megapanel's...
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matt, he's your colleague at the "daily caller." lot of conservatives have criticized what he did. he claimed -- neil monroe says he believed the president was closing his remarks, he had no intention of interrupting him. but he kept on talking while the president was trying to speak. >> well, first of all -- a little about neil monroe. he's an irish immigrant himself. he was with "the national journal" for a decade. he's a seasoned reporter. if you put it in context, president obama, first of all, the policy bypasses congress -- >> no, no, no, i've only got a few seconds. >> the speech -- >> would you have done what he did? was he wrong? >> cenk just said that we should be aggressive when asking questions. there was going to be no question and answer. this was the only chance he had to ask a question. >> happens all the time. he had no business interrupting the president. >> the press corps should be a little less deferential to authority. >> this is not a question of being differential. ask all the questions you want, shout -- >> w
matt, he's your colleague at the "daily caller." lot of conservatives have criticized what he did. he claimed -- neil monroe says he believed the president was closing his remarks, he had no intention of interrupting him. but he kept on talking while the president was trying to speak. >> well, first of all -- a little about neil monroe. he's an irish immigrant himself. he was with "the national journal" for a decade. he's a seasoned reporter. if you put it in context,...
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doesn't matter whether it's online or on you know will mcavoy fictional network or on fox or the daily caller a politico and b c we've got the worst of both worlds now what we try to do is get people to pull that apart and pick you know really report things with authority and dignity and ethics and empathy among all things it does seem like it's driven on a lot of fear and it's important to get your perspective from a lot of different sources and pick out their cash and sex or markable motives thank you so much to us christopher chambers journalism professor at georgetown university well today is national i.v. testing in america that's pretty rare that you find people openly discussing estes or freely talking about their hiv diagnosis that people that tell others are on a need to know basis what if someone doesn't feel like there is a need to know basis if someone has hiv should they be forced to tell their partner and if they don't should it be a crime on many states is forty five states have laws against hiv positive people not disclosing their status during sex prostitution needle exchange
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. >> as the president was halfway through his remarks, a reporter with "the daily caller" interrupted him, asking the president what the change means for american workers. >> excuse me, sir. it's not time for questions, sir. not while i'm speaking. >> president obama continued his remarks but came back to the man. >> and the answer to y question, sir, and the next time i prefer you let me finish my statements before y that question, is this is the right thing to do for the american people. i didn't ask for an argument. i'm answering your question. >> now, wolf, as you can imagine that garnered a whole lot of attention. neil monroe through "the daily caller" put out a statement saying that it was basically an accident. he was trying to time his remarks for when the president was wrapping up. i did ask monroe right after the remarks why he did it. what he said to me is because he need today ask questions that you all, meaning the white house press corp, wouldn't ask. i was two people over from him and from what i could tell no one thought the president was wrapping up. i think it was de
. >> as the president was halfway through his remarks, a reporter with "the daily caller" interrupted him, asking the president what the change means for american workers. >> excuse me, sir. it's not time for questions, sir. not while i'm speaking. >> president obama continued his remarks but came back to the man. >> and the answer to y question, sir, and the next time i prefer you let me finish my statements before y that question, is this is the right thing...
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erica nudie democratic strategist and vince colonies senior online editor at the daily caller welcome to all of you let's start out with the best government money can buy it seems like we officially have it shelly adelson has now come out and said he will pour at least one hundred million dollars into defeating president obama he's worth twenty five billion dollars so you know he probably would even notice one hundred million dollars there's a new report out that america's health insurance plans a hip the lobbying group for the health insurance industry. has. funneled more than one hundred million dollars to the chamber of commerce into this giant pool of cash and then we have the spectacle yesterday in the senate a block of senators basically throwing softballs of jamie dimon including chuck schumer the democrat bob corker and my crew other republicans all three of whom lose j.p. morgan chase is their number one campaign donor so do we have are we officially living in our oligarchy and why aren't you know there are democrats yelling about this i haven't heard republicans yelling abou
erica nudie democratic strategist and vince colonies senior online editor at the daily caller welcome to all of you let's start out with the best government money can buy it seems like we officially have it shelly adelson has now come out and said he will pour at least one hundred million dollars into defeating president obama he's worth twenty five billion dollars so you know he probably would even notice one hundred million dollars there's a new report out that america's health insurance...
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doesn't matter whether it's online or on you know will mcavoy fictional network or on fox or the daily caller or politico and this and d.c. we've got the worst of both worlds now what we try to do is get people to pull that apart and pick you know really report things with authority and dignity and ethics and empathy among does seem like it's driven on a lot of fear and it's important to get your perspective from a lot of different sources and pick out where cash and sex are a marketable motive thank you so much the customer chambers journalism professor at georgetown university. well we all know where the g.o.p. stands in today's political world they love guns and god and america but they're not so fond of gay people tonight i want to take you on a little trip down to texas where the lone star g.o.p. has just released their platform for two thousand and twelve let me say this platforms a special one even for texas i mean after all this is a state full of cowboy hats and pickup trucks and you can forget their governor is a laughable attempt at a run for presidency. is it mitt romney that was
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the daily caller and big media, brightbark's organization. >> targeting you? >> i would say yeah. put out about me or that one story specifically that big media put out about me where they have taken it and looked at my twitter feedth, found things on the twitter feed that they felt justified that i was bias threw it together in a package, put a healthy dose of cynicism on top of t put it out and got retweet after retweet after retweet and that became what my -- what john harris at politico called a blank storm. >> and said those comments were unacceptable. had you been warned by politico ahead of time, before this? had you said things before either tweeted or on the air that politico said, hey, joe, you have to be careful here? >> absolutely. i had been talked about that and i had tried to dial my comments back, and i toned down my twitter feed just for that reason. >> the daily caller, as you mentioned, they went through your twitter feed and one of the twitters -- one of the tweets that they found from you is that racism was the secret sauce, con -- contained this phrase racism
the daily caller and big media, brightbark's organization. >> targeting you? >> i would say yeah. put out about me or that one story specifically that big media put out about me where they have taken it and looked at my twitter feedth, found things on the twitter feed that they felt justified that i was bias threw it together in a package, put a healthy dose of cynicism on top of t put it out and got retweet after retweet after retweet and that became what my -- what john harris at...
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neil monroe works for the daily caller as you saw last week. ing out questions for president obama while he was still in the middle of speaking. let's watch. >> it is the right thing to do excuse me, sir, it's not time for questions sir. not while i'm speaking. >> from your perspective the speech was coming to a close when you were beginning to ask your questions. >> yes timing was awkward. he speaks very well, very smoothly. it's hard to know when he's about to end. i asked my question too early he rebuked me. >> cenk: the question here, is it inappropriate? we know it's inappropriate. did it have a racial component? people have been talking about that and rush limbaugh has been defensive saying i got over his skin color before he was elected. thank you. we're glad you got over it at some point. >> leave aside the racial component. every single thing that the right wing is going to do for the next x number of notes will have a racial component. it is something that people should not runaway from. they should accept that there is a race componen
neil monroe works for the daily caller as you saw last week. ing out questions for president obama while he was still in the middle of speaking. let's watch. >> it is the right thing to do excuse me, sir, it's not time for questions sir. not while i'm speaking. >> from your perspective the speech was coming to a close when you were beginning to ask your questions. >> yes timing was awkward. he speaks very well, very smoothly. it's hard to know when he's about to end. i asked...
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that was a conservative activist from the website daily caller interrupting president obama's immigration remarks on friday. after the incident, daily caller editor tucker carlson compared his reporter's actions to former white house correspondent sam donaldson's actions. donaldson rejected the comparison saying he never once interrupted a president during a speech. he told the huffington post race was a factor in friday's incident. he says, let's face it, many on the political right believe this president ought not be there. they oppose him not for his policies and political view, but for who he is, an african-american. for more on this, let's turn to conservative radio talk show host michael medved, kelly goff, and author of "the gq candidate" and senior huffington post reporter tramaine lee. great to have all of you with us tonight. >> great to be here. >> this is a guy who works for a website. he stands up, it's an attention getting moment. he doesn't care if he gets thrown out. it's juvenile. michael, what should if anything the white house do about this joker? should he be able to c
that was a conservative activist from the website daily caller interrupting president obama's immigration remarks on friday. after the incident, daily caller editor tucker carlson compared his reporter's actions to former white house correspondent sam donaldson's actions. donaldson rejected the comparison saying he never once interrupted a president during a speech. he told the huffington post race was a factor in friday's incident. he says, let's face it, many on the political right believe...
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government doesn't like the message that they're advocating. >> joining us from washington is the daily caller'siase researching the link between media matters and president obama's white house. good morning to you, vince. >> good morning, steve. >> so, you know, on this program and there at the daily caller, we have detailed the intimidation tactics that media matters has used against people on the right, the conservative voices, also people on fox news trying to run us out of business. trying to run rush limbaugh out of business and now, those brass knuckle tactics have caught the attention of mitch mcconnell, haven't they? >> yeah, and it's a very high profile attention grabbing item. senator mitch mcconnell is the minority leader of the senate and the most powerful republican senator and in this speech that you just showed at the american enterprise institute last friday for the first time, he made it -- he made a public statement about the relationship between media matters and the white house. and as we reported, it's a long standing one for the entire obama administration, media matters h
government doesn't like the message that they're advocating. >> joining us from washington is the daily caller'siase researching the link between media matters and president obama's white house. good morning to you, vince. >> good morning, steve. >> so, you know, on this program and there at the daily caller, we have detailed the intimidation tactics that media matters has used against people on the right, the conservative voices, also people on fox news trying to run us out...
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. >> reporter: the report are works for the daily caller, an online company. >>> two lawmakers in michiganre in beg trouble after making controversial statements on the statehouse floor. lisa brown slammed a bill to put new restrictions on abortion using what some are calling inreport language. listen. >> i have not asked you to adopt and add here to my religious beliefs. why are you asking me to adopt yours. finally, mr. speaker. i'm flattered you're interested in my vagina but no means no. >> barb bynum used the word vast spect mi. >>> coming up all new at six, a rash of burglaries. police ray rest two -- arrest two men and how detectives cracked the case. >> why it takes the city so long to take action. now a preview of what's ahead on world news at 6:30. >> our supermarket truth squad. wool show you a bottle that says it's all lemon juice inside and a test proving it's mostly water and that's not the only surprise tonight. >>> sunday is father's day. if you're looking for a gift that's better than the traditional coffee mug or tie, look no farther than your smartphone. abc2 news karin
. >> reporter: the report are works for the daily caller, an online company. >>> two lawmakers in michiganre in beg trouble after making controversial statements on the statehouse floor. lisa brown slammed a bill to put new restrictions on abortion using what some are calling inreport language. listen. >> i have not asked you to adopt and add here to my religious beliefs. why are you asking me to adopt yours. finally, mr. speaker. i'm flattered you're interested in my...
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joining us from washington fields from the daily caller and fox news analyst leslie marshall. leslie, i predicted this would happen in my book culture warrior. young people are not getting the same message. that's important. same message from society that older americans once got. am i wrong? >> actually, i agree with you, bill. because society is comprised of our parents and our families as well. and although i think it's sad, i do think that people in america are not taking as much time out for god, taking as much time to teach their kids about god and, quite frankly, instead of going to midnight mass on christmas eve, they are at best buy trying to get the latest electronic device so i do think that plays a big part. >> bill: in a catholic church i'm a catholic as you must know. 24% now going to mass on a weekly basis. very, very low. and nothing like it was even 15 years ago. but there is a more -- the public schools have a lot to do with this, i think. where spirit has been totally wiped out at the curriculum of all american public schools. can you can't talk about anythin
joining us from washington fields from the daily caller and fox news analyst leslie marshall. leslie, i predicted this would happen in my book culture warrior. young people are not getting the same message. that's important. same message from society that older americans once got. am i wrong? >> actually, i agree with you, bill. because society is comprised of our parents and our families as well. and although i think it's sad, i do think that people in america are not taking as much time...
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this reporter as i understand it has been identified as a reporter with "the daily caller" a conservativeaper, blog, whatever. let me play the president getting clearly irritated with this reporter interrupting the remarks from the rose garden where he was not taking questions. >> the question, sir -- not while i'm speaking. precisely because this is temporary, congress needs to act. there is still time for congress to pass the d.r.e.a.m. act this year, because the kids deserve to plan their lives. >> that's just a portion. the president went back to the guy again there. jonathan, what do you make of this? >> that's the last time that reporter will be in -- >> mike viqueira said he had a temporary pass there. >> you know, there are basic rules that apply and that have applied in democratic and republican administrations. you don't interrupt the president when he's talking. you don't do that to any politici politician. it's a form of heckling. what is acceptable and done routinely by reporters and arguably should be done more often, when the president is done finishing, it's fair to yell o
this reporter as i understand it has been identified as a reporter with "the daily caller" a conservativeaper, blog, whatever. let me play the president getting clearly irritated with this reporter interrupting the remarks from the rose garden where he was not taking questions. >> the question, sir -- not while i'm speaking. precisely because this is temporary, congress needs to act. there is still time for congress to pass the d.r.e.a.m. act this year, because the kids deserve...
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tucker, you are a reporter who got in a little controversy from the daily caller. let's play that clip for those who haven't seen it 17 times. >> it is the right thing to do. excuse me, sir. it is not time for questions, sir. not while i am speaking. the answer to your question, sir , and the next time i prefer you let me finish my statements before you ask that question, is this is the right thing to do for the american people. i didn't ask for an argument. i am answering your question. >> i like it when he gets like that. he is sultry and steamy. i forgot my question. here is the thing, there are a lot of people even if this very place, fox news, where you work, that you thought was unseemly. what do you make of that? >> it is the process of getting people to divulge things they didn't want to divulge. politicians don't want to answer questions. our job is to get the information and bring it to our readers. we are never going to agree. the president -- by the way, they hold all of the cards. stand there with your notebook you have done a million times as a stenogr
tucker, you are a reporter who got in a little controversy from the daily caller. let's play that clip for those who haven't seen it 17 times. >> it is the right thing to do. excuse me, sir. it is not time for questions, sir. not while i am speaking. the answer to your question, sir , and the next time i prefer you let me finish my statements before you ask that question, is this is the right thing to do for the american people. i didn't ask for an argument. i am answering your question....
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the only people i have seen defending him are people at daily caller. >> not even fox news defended hime talking about it on friday. they said you don't interrupt the president. after he is done giving the statement, feel free to shout out questions but not in the middle of it. >> that's what we do. i have done that. others do. as soon as you know the president is finished he will take questions. more often in the rose garden he turns to go back. and that allows us to shout out questions. usually, the loudest one is the one that carries and sometimes i have seen the president turn around and come back to the podium and answers a question. >> right. >> sometimes, he ignores it. genius. al polite thing to do. not in the interest for the public for a journalist to answer. by interrupting him and inserting yourself and shouting out these mumbled questions that the public can't even really hear, it's grandstanding, trying to get a tension for yourself and your publication. but not in the interest of the public. >> amanda turkel is our guest. she is the senior political reporter for huffingto
the only people i have seen defending him are people at daily caller. >> not even fox news defended hime talking about it on friday. they said you don't interrupt the president. after he is done giving the statement, feel free to shout out questions but not in the middle of it. >> that's what we do. i have done that. others do. as soon as you know the president is finished he will take questions. more often in the rose garden he turns to go back. and that allows us to shout out...