and trump needed giuliani and giuliani he needed trump. and thus, you know, an infamous couple was born. i wonder, did your opinion of then change over this period? i mean, you've observed him more than pretty much anyone in politics, in journalism. is it less now than it was if we talk in like thousand and four, before the 2008 campaign? i mean, look, you can't watch what's happened to giuliani. and it destruction or his attempt destroy a democratic election and have any admiration for the man. i mean, his he's kind of an empty vessel of what he once was. you know, do i respect his, you know, going, you know, towards the beginning? i do. still and i took a lot of a lot of grief for giving him that credit in my first book. and give him the credit again of this book. this sort of gets to the question a little bit more. has giuliani then changed or was you always like this with him? i mean this is a big question about figures, history all the time. do they change or were they always what they were? what what did you conclude the end of this

and trump needed giuliani and giuliani he needed trump. and thus, you know, an infamous couple was born. i wonder, did your opinion of then change over this period? i mean, you've observed him more than pretty much anyone in politics, in journalism. is it less now than it was if we talk in like thousand and four, before the 2008 campaign? i mean, look, you can't watch what's happened to giuliani. and it destruction or his attempt destroy a democratic election and have any admiration for the man. i mean, his he's kind of an empty vessel of what he once was. you know, do i respect his, you know, going, you know, towards the beginning? i do. still and i took a lot of a lot of grief for giving him that credit in my first book. and give him the credit again of this book. this sort of gets to the question a little bit more. has giuliani then changed or was you always like this with him? i mean this is a big question about figures, history all the time. do they change or were they always what they were? what what did you conclude the end of this

giuliani was clearly losing the room.mp's campaign manager was so worry of giuliani he locked him out of his office telling the committee, i had my assistant lock my door. giuliani still tried to get into the office ordering her to unlock the door. she says she refused. just consider that sad scene. the lawyer for the sitting president of the united states, who is also the former federal prosecutor and the mayor is pleading with some person in the office to let him into a colleague's office and he's refused, which shows his lack of power within that campaign of his own client, remember. and it is one more irresponsible indignity, a lawyer bungling a break-in. but this isn't the end. giuliani is facing real consequences. he's referred for real prosecution as of this week. he's been named as a target. his law license suspended. he might be disbarred in d.c. and he faces huge defamation cases by dominion. it is one type of legal punishment for basically lying. but to win them you have to prove the defendant, in this case, gi

surely most trump voters knew rudy giuliani was an absurdity by that point. but the most fanatical trump supporters, the supporters who are willing to believe and tell any lie to try and steal the presidential election from joe biden loved it. and while the hair dye was flowing down rudy giuliani's face, tears were flowing on another true believers face. supreme court justice clarence thomas's wife virginia thomas texted donald trump's last chief of staff mark meadows at the white house while rudy giuliani was speaking and what the herd high was flowing. and she said, tears are flowing at what rudy is doing right now! ! ! i! ? ? ? the mark meadows seemed a bit confused maybe by the question marks -- were those tears of joy, tears of embarrassment? what did she mean? tears of rudy giuliani destroying any tiny shred of credibility he had left. mark meadows replied neutrally, clad to help? to which ginni thomas replied whoa? ? heroes? ? so while rudy giuliani was coming apart on tv in the most humiliating way, ginni thomas thought he was a hero and she was cryin

>> rudy giuliani was working on another story and he had trouble getting into the media.is lawyer and said try miranda and they sent me a bunch of text messages and material from the laptop which i thought was pretty compelling and then interview them for several days until my editors and then it was all systems go and the story was a riproaring and my great colleagues and others did their due diligence. we knew we had a story that was ready to go. >> a massive story right before the election you did not time it this way this is when you got the hard drive information it would have been journalistic malpractice if you sat on it. speaking of that the new york post you break the story not only the journalists synonymous go to individuals ignore democratic tax to condemn it through former 51 officials national security officials obviously put together by somebody at the direction of somebody still determined to downplay with the russian disinformation and of course twitter covered it up. so really as the mean media source did twitter ever contact you and ask you how you coul

and rudy giuliani may be about to lose his license in d.c. in the course of those goings on. but what we have is as well is we have the law is not what eastman said. and eastman admitted that it wasn't the law. so you have a perfect storm of misleading fraud to the congress of the united states and the people of america because you have neither the facts nor the law in the case. >> yeah, i think you lay it out. we've been juggling a lot of different folks that have been wanting to get your breakdown here and mr. flanery i think you will be busy in the days ahead, especially when we get the full report. thank you, sir. >> thank you. good to be with you. >> good to have you. >>> i've told you before, folks, that we have kept an eye on when this report dropped. today we got 100 pages from it. the full report is slated to be published by the committee on wednesday. i have written an independent analysis for harper collins. or just go to melberbook.com. i have about a 9,000 word breakdown which was independently prepared as a legal analysis separa

when you look at that time tha rudy giuliani was standing there.he election was stolen. just as the networks wer calling the election for joe biden. it almost seemed comical and you want to laugh at wha you were seeing there. but given how this has now resonated among republicans, what does that moment in tim mean for what we are as country? >> one way you could look at it, i wouldn't say a break wit reality. when people talk about, they would talk about the wheel being off of the trump white house. i would always say, there were wheels so four seasons was not breaking point because thing had been insane if the electio had been all about conspiracies for a long time. the administration had bee about conspiracies, donald trump's entire political caree was about conspiracies but it was this kind of formal moment where they officially made conspiracies and insanity thei strategy going forward and what's what followed tha was the insurrection so even though this was this hilariously weird historic event. this landscaping company b mistake or for planni

indeed giuliani is still facing a slackdown and consequences of that. license currently suspended. a committee meeting this week in washington over whether he should be permanently disbarred. an ethics council determined he weaponized his law license in that trump advocacy. that's the context for what the supreme court heard today, a lot on the line. someone who you may recognize as an msnbc legal analyst who also has a long history arguing some of the most consequential supreme court cases of the current era. indeed, that's why president obama had him arguing for his administration at one point, neal katyal was arguing on behalf of democracy at the supreme court today, pushing gets what republicans are trying to get the court to approve. this all comes out of a case in north carolina, katyal arguing that why what republicans are arguing for would undercut the entire concentration. >> to accept petitioners claim you'd have to ignore the text, history and structure of our federal constitution as well as nearly every state constitution today. >> that's on

they were spying on rudy giuliani.y giuliani contacted miranda devine and it became clear the post was about to get this story. they were doing table top exercises on what would happen should this be released over at the aspen institute with twitter. >> rachel: let's get this clear. the fbi has the laptop for a year. >> brian: 2019. >> rachel: for a year. they knew it was real. >> steve: if they looked at it. >> rachel: of course they looked at it. they were spying on. enough to you are saying incompetent? i don't buy that at all. they had 80 people on this case of twitter and that's just twitter. we don't know how many they had on other social media platforms. they had for a year. they were spying on rudy giuliani by the way rudy giuliani and the "new york post" have all been vindicated in this story. then they spent millions of dollars. i mean, this might as well have been inkind donation from the fbi. to the biden campaign because if this -- if, you know, donald trump jr. had done what hunter biden had done, that wo

the he covert surveillance warrant on giuliani gave the fbi access to e-mails in august of 2020 from john paul mcisaac, about the damaging hunter biden laptop. the fbi also had access to miranda divine post reporter messages with rudy giuliani in october, discussing that. this is interference and this is a violation of the first amendment, this is interference with the freedom of the press. maria: the even bigger threat here to america is the connection to the chinese communist party. you just mentioned elvis chan. elvis chan was deposed. he is an fbi agent. he was the first american born from a chinese family. his parents i immigrated here fm china. i throw this out because we all know the rules of the ccp. if the ccp wants information, you will give it to the chinese communist party or you will go to jail. we don't know if elvis chan has family back in china whereas the ccp was visiting family, saying you better ensure that elvis chan is sending information back to the ccp. this is what secretary mike pompeo means when he says the ccp is inside the gates. this is an fbi agent who i

we know the fbi has been spilled on —- spying over rudy giuliani despite violations and had access toails he was receiving from the whistleblower at the computer repair shop guy who had hunter biden's laptop and it was abandoned and concerned he contacted the fbi already in 2019 and had almost one year before the election. he was concerned about national security issues to do with payments from ukraine and china to the biden family. that's why he took it to the fbi. now we know they buried it from the fbi whistleblowers. so listening to giuliani and looking at his e-mail and spying on the text message they saw the e-mail august 2020 so they knew the cat was out of the bag. and then they had access to my messages with rudy giuliani so they knew exactly when the post would be publishing in october so they bumped the story with twitter and we can only assume with faith —- with facebook as well because zuckerberg said they gave information. >> everyone needs to check out your story tomorrow. it was plush in the first at getting the accountability is the information out there. we wil as a

and in, fact giuliani had more credibility than the man he was defending.s reputation is nowhere where he used to. be, and it's hard to believe that on september 11th, he was the most trusted person among all americans of any living human being. and, now he is fighting for his law license. >> while! a lot has changed. many fall from political grace, shall we say. but, as you mentioned, 50% of the american electorate believe in something that, in a large, part was fueled and cultivated and nurtured through his own voice in the courts across the country. and, of course, in front of the camera. a lot more about credibility. and, here is a case where it can be undermined. simply for those who are in -- a power, how about in tampa, where the police chief was pulled over in a traffic stop and then had to resign less than a month later. we'll tell you why and what happens after this. h ups! secret had ph balancing minerals; and it helps eliminate odor, instead of just t masking it. so pull it in close. secret works. take a picture. i'm stuck! is that the new iphon

eastman, maybe rudy giuliani, other, you know, sort of, telling mr. trump that he could contest the election, that he had not lost, that there was a path for vice president pence to declare him the victor. that's all to be left for trial. and that's precisely the type of thing that the department of justice has to analyze. what did mr. trump know, not to be too cliche and when did he mow it. >> there is also testimony, significant testimony, thats he was aware that all of those judges, according to nominated judges, had rejected all of those claims. >> that's also correct. there are five dozen-some-odd cases that were litigated in state and federal courts around the country, and mr. trump, as far as i know, lost every one of those. maybe with one minor exception on one minor point. and that goes on the other side of the ledger. that is more evidence that he knew that his press to overturn the election, to impede the electoral count of the congress, to deny mr. biden the presidency, was all a sham. it was part of a scheme. it was a conspiracy. but this

all of giuliani's calls are aimed at that.left that's quoted in the report where he's basically saying we just need some more time because the legislators are so close to pulling it. i mean that is very much of a smoking gun in terms of his intent, what he's trying to do. apparently he initially tried to resist answering questions saying it was attorney-client privilege. going to the point, too, of accountability. that is completely baseless, and there's reason why he's facing potential jeopardy of his bar license. >> just because i'm an attorney and we're talking now our discussion is not privilege. his claim these are privileged conversations is nonsensical as has been raised many times. margaret, as you're reading through this report and you saw some things completely in the public hearings and in these public videotapes, et cetera, what is striking you right now as you see it all laid out this way in recommendation form as to the now what? >> i do think it's the granularity of the detail and it is the connecting of the dot

and then, these people continued to invite giuliani and powell on their shows. >> defamation cases are hard to prove, aren't they? >> yes they are. the plaintiff has to prove the law cause is actual malice. you need to show basically that the defendant broadcaster published a deliberately, a calculated falsehood. >> they knew it was a lie when they broadcasted it? >> they knew it was, ally or they knew was probably a lie. >> how strong is dominion's case against fox and the others? >> i think it is much stronger than most defamation cases that i had seen. i might say that it is the strongest. >> how many defamation cases have you seen? >> i have litigated myself, hundreds. and i'm certainly aware of every significant defamation case in the last 40 years. >> and this is the strongest one? >> in my judgment. >> in a statement to 60 minutes, fox said it's confident they will prevail. setting freedom of the press protections and stating it was reporting on a news where the allegation made by then then president, and an error segment shocking allegations against dominion. -- soon fox news a

giuliani. >> what did he say? >> he said, we have got lots of theories just not the evidence. >> you are asking me to do something that has never been done in the history of the united states. and i am going to put my state through that without sufficient proof? >> there is a tape earlier in the day from ruby freeman and jay freeman morris. they are passing around usb ports insisting they are piles of heroin or cocaine can -- cocaine. >> we just watched it mr. giuliani accuse you and your mother passing some for -- some sort of usb drive. what was she actually handing you? >> a mint. >> new you know how it feels to have the president of the united states target you? the president of the united states is supposed to represent every american. he is not supposed to target one. >> i made it clear did not agree with the idea of saving the election was stolen and putting out this stuff, what i told the president was bulls***. >> if he thought the that he got the election have been stolen and was corrupt. i had told him

steve, giuliani, eastman. but there's a new name, a little known campaign lawyer for trump, when he joined the more prominent names you see on your screen on the name of criminal referrals. he's definitely the east known. we are learning why now that we have the full report. evidence showing in mid december he was working on that giuliani/epstein plot with the damning memo that had been released in earlier hearings where there is this redacted reference, a reference to boris epstein, the trump lawyer. i said i'm going to go through this evidence with you, and i will. i've said it would be interesting to read, but you don't have to read it today or tonight or tomorrow even. we have you covered on the highlights. let me put it like this. based on our read of this thing. how many trump lawyers does it take to incriminate themselves? in this case, three. because the new guy, chesebro, puts in writing a plot to use fraud and pressure to get pence to break the constitution and his ceremonial role as president of the

giuliani accused you and your mother of passing some sort of usb drive to each other. what was your mom actually handing you on that video? >> a ginger mint. >> do you know how it feels to have the president of the united states target you? >> i remember pat saying something to the effect of, mark, we need to do something more. they are literally calling for the vice president to be f'ing hung. and mark had responded something to the effect of, you heard it, pat, he thinks mike deserves it. he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. >> another officer unconscious. >> joining me now is congressman jamie raskin, a member of the january 6th committee, and congressman, thank you so much for being here. and this has been a long, many, many months of investigation. lots of evidence put forward. i'm going to read to the audience the four charges, obstruction of an official proceeding, conspiracy to defraud the united states, conspiracy to make a false statement, and inciting, assisting, or aiding and comfortable an insurrection. aiding and comforting i want to ask you mor

giuliani. what did he say? >> he said we have theories, we just don't have the evidence. >> you are asking me that his -- you have are asking me to do something that has never been done in the history of the united states. i am going to put my state through that without sufficient proof. >> there is a tape earlier in the day from rudy freeman and one of the gentlemen surreptitiously dancing around. >> we just watched mr. giuliani past you and your mother some sort of usb drive to you and your mother. what was he handing you on that usb drive? >> a ginger mix. >> do you know how it feels to have the president of the united states to target you? the president of the united states is supposed to represent every american. not to target one. >> i made it clear i did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting out the stuff. i told the president it was bullshit. >> >> he wanted to talk about the election was stolen or corrupt and there was widespread fraud. i told him our reviews had not sho

what did rudy giuliani, jared kushner and ginni thomas tell the committee. >>> donald trump's tax returns are finally public. this is what we're watching. >>> hi, everyone, i'm amara walker in today for kate bolduan. we begin with breaking news. police have made an arrest in connection to the murders investigation of four college students in idaho. two federal law enforcement sources tell cnn that the fbi took a suspect into custody in northeastern pennsylvania. the arrest comes nearly seven weeks after the students were found stabbed to death in a home near the university of idaho campus. police in moscow, idaho, will hold a news conference later this afternoon and cnn's veronica miracle is live in moscow, idaho, with the very latest. veronica. >> reporter: well, amara, as you said, those federal sources telling our cnn's josh campbell and mark morales an arrest has been made. we understand that at this point it is a man in his 20s but beyond that there are very few details coming out at this hour. i did speak with police this morning where they said there is going to be that news confer

rudy giuliani, donald trump's former legal mouth piece who helped lead some efforts to undo the 2020 election. jared kushner and jason miller a top campaign visser and ginni thomas who also attended stop the steal rallies. cnn is reading through all of this right now and we'll bring you details as soon as we get them. >>> also this hour, a never before seen look at donald trump's taxes. how democrats making six years of the former president's financials public this morning. and entering them into the congressional record and capping a dramatic legal fight. what we know already, the returns cover 2015 through 2020. and the irs violated its own rules by not auditing trump each year while he was president. trump paid no income tax in his final full year in office. and trump and his wife paid little or no income tax in several of the years between 2015 and 2020. let's get started with -- in washington with cnn kristin holmes. walk us through what are the headlines here. >> so we're looking at hundreds and hundreds of pages of documents which we're still coming through. but i'm able to co

who also wove a false narrative about the election technology company now suing giuliani, fox news andrmed by three venezuelans who were very close to -- very close to the dictator chavez of venezuela. and it was formed in order to fix elections. that's the company that owns dominion. >> does smartmatic own dominion? >> we do have a relationship. we're competitors. >> were you associated with the late hugo chavez? >> absolutely not. >> have you stole elections in other countries? >> absolutely not. i can cut this short. we were founded in toronto, which is where my family was from and there is nothing to do with venezuela. >> can you flip votes in the computer system? can you add votes that did not exist? >> absolutely not. >> president trump first mentioned dominion in a tweet november 12th and recorded this video a few weeks later. >> we have a company that's very suspect. its name is dominion. with the turn of a dial or the change of a chip, you can press a button for trump and the vote goes to biden. what kind of a system is this? we have to go to paper. maybe it takes longer. but

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rudy giuliani, we have not gone into his role. he was there trying to push this initially from the get-go. he offered to get it on track. get zelenskyy to pick back up, this tacit, if it is not tested, we've not found the paperwork around it. to do it in return for missiles. what we miss with -- as the american audience is the backdrop is a potential war with russia. there is also a a raging war going on in the background, there's a lot that the american public is looking at. our president, is abuse of power, his treatment of an ally, and there is the craney and perspective that we are on the brink of war. we need weapons. there are mixed messages from america about what we expect from their democracy. pat: we see donald trump lose the election. did the ukrainians matter? in the first impeachment that did not result in his expulsion from the presidency. do you have any sense how much of a role that played in american's perception of trump and his fitness to be president? when they cast their votes, here all the sudden is the small

giuliani needs to be called to justice. i think that we have seen a solution involving -- i think that some of the attorneys involved in this stuff with giuliani need to be brought to justice. it's very clear. these people are doing things that need to be -- that's why you see all of these lawsuits involving the election machines, because they just made stuff up. >> they are lying. so a lot of these lies, axios is reporting that there is a shadow group of republicans, and they are preparing to rebut the report with a report of their own. they say that they will highlight security failures that other failures, rather than donald trump. what is your response to this news, sir? >> well, i think that the american public spoke pretty loudly last november 8th. and i think that they are kidding themselves if they don't think that the republic sees through their kind of foolishness. they saw trump out there, again people on. they saw what took place. they saw the leadership being put -- these people were calling for a pinch, for th

so the son of rudy giuliani, obviously. so that called calls from the white house knowing what those extension numbers are and the doj and fbi can be work on. but knowing what those extension numbers are are very important. but for the american public, they need to that data and they need to know type of things were happening on january sixth who placed those calls the white house don't know. you know, my guess is the committee has been trying to find out what those phone numbers are. there is something called a call manager. each person is assigned a phone number to a specific desk, but also their cell phones. and i think that's what people need to realize is that when you look at the book and when you read the breach, the white house has a certain set phone numbers and call numbers and. those root numbers are connected to the white house. so we can look at the root numbers from one side of the records. but we can't see what those white house numbers are. most of them are provided where less than eight and still exist in t

so the son of rudy giuliani, obviously. so that called calls from the white house knowing what those extension numbers are and the doj and fbi can be work on. but knowing what those extension numbers are are very important. but for the american public, they need to that data and they need to know type of things were happening on january sixth who placed those calls the white house don't know. you know, my guess is the committee has been trying to find out what those phone numbers are. there is something called a call manager. each person is assigned a phone number to a specific desk, but also their cell phones. and i think that's what people need to realize is that when you look at the book and when you read the breach, the white house has a certain set phone numbers and call numbers and. those root numbers are connected to the white house. so we can look at the root numbers from one side of the records. but we can't see what those white house numbers are. most of them are provided where less than eight and still exist in t

so the son of rudy giuliani, obviously. so that called calls from the white house knowing what those extension numbers are and the doj and fbi can be work on. but knowing what those extension numbers are are very important. but for the american public, they need to that data and they need to know type of things were happening on january sixth who placed those calls the white house don't know. you know, my guess is the committee has been trying to find out what those phone numbers are. there is something called a call manager. each person is assigned a phone number to a specific desk, but also their cell phones. and i think that's what people need to realize is that when you look at the book and when you read the breach, the white house has a certain set phone numbers and call numbers and. those root numbers are connected to the white house. so we can look at the root numbers from one side of the records. but we can't see what those white house numbers are. most of them are provided where less than eight and still exist in t