u. e. u nat geo silva, who joins us from montenegro and on or was joining us from an undisclosed location in russia and has asked us not to show her face for fear of the repercussions of joining this conversation. thank you all so much for joining us here. on the stream on the i'll start with you what you're doing. joining this show is quite dangerous in today's russia. um, can i ask you why you still believe it was important for you to come and talk to us about your vision and for the future of your country? um, i joined you today because uh if i have a serviceability to speak even with the research load too much of my face. uh, even not to mention in the location. and that might show name uh i want so to speak . and i want to share the real you much. what's happening now and brush me pulling are and you were turning $21.00 later this month. but you actually started your active isn't even earlier. can you tell us about how does this all come about? i think the point of entering a world of politics sort of me started there isn't a lot of me how it was a lot of uh for a lot of people of my generation. so i would say when i was for 2 years old, i was uh, you know, like in my school they lived close, close the school, closed all the doors so that they put, and i was living in the board as well so that they couldn't go out and go through the process and i remember i was jumping from my school to go enjoying the students to i think that's how that's how it all parties, even from the age of i could see that something was going wrong in my country. and i really wanted to miss lambs, it's somehow. 5 you and your, uh, what about you? um, when did you start disagreeing with the political establishment in russia? i did something particular happen for you to say, right? i need to get involved here. well actually i was quite a political flood for a very long time and i own this, not a football kind of protest and it will be an interested when i was already like, think or something. so um oh, when basically when the wiley ran from an in moscow, so that was 2013 to the for me. uh well, uh i uh before that moment i always told that people who are protesting they just have nothing to do or something like that. and uh, he's gonna band changed everything. um, you're both mention devonie. he's definitely been a source of inspiration for many people. a long generation, arguably, the most prominent opposition figure in russia, in the aftermath of the announcement of his death, this video resurfaced and went quite viral. let's take a look. is just coming in for us to watch tv movies. news though, i mean the other news just that what so yesterday at the police us look at those my change the week. yeah. book and i agree and me see me with my me. i'm going to send you to shooting me. you will be there mostly sports image of a single. yes, no, that's a permanent tungsten. wait. a girl may use your daughter. yeah, no. but can you tell me what they took, what she walk, if the wife least almost when you moved or massage night and this, what could you please let me send me your story. news my let this to us lie at the door. but if you buy some of these, these 13 that i'm on, i wanted your take here. um, would you agree that ivonya was a symbol of hope in a different future? and how did his death affect you and the people around you? oh yes. so he was definitely the symbol and role model for most of the russian people. um, who are engaged. uh, go to the system. uh and uh, i know uh lets now they are step 3 and then they, uh they basically lost their home. uh beds uh after the is uh grief. uh i, i am pretty sure that it will uh, come more stress for all of us because uh as uh nobody is just because he's setting this video and they are afraid of people. and so uh, uh, such a big national loss will leads to the rates and there, i think a lot of people, that's our interaction. now they ask us. and even if they believe some how our governments now are, they are pretty sure that they do something really bad. but the stakes are also very, very high. usually what about the pro democracy movement more generally? are you worried that you might don't know, crumble without in a valley or as i just mentioned, do you think we're witnessing the birth of a legend here and this will actually reinforce people to fight for a different future? me. i don't know. actually, i know that optimistic, i mean i do believe that the people who are being who, who have been following the law in his uh, investigations and everything. and just uh, well who they put me in watching closely was getting on that. definitely a few reason they want to do something, but uh for most people i think it's just lots of holes and something like that. i well for example, i was contacted by one of my followers almost around just yesterday. and she said that she never went anywhere to any kind of protest. and on friday when the wrong, his death was announced, she went to put some flowers to some memorial or something. and after the few days later, she was contacted by the police officer. now she said it was cad and she told about it's too old the fence to her husband to the brother to everybody. and of course she says that i know i'm going to just stay at home and all of my relatives, all my friends, we're going to stay quiet because this is just nonsense. like i didn't do anything wrong. and they saw how they found me like 2 days later, and i loved it to delta something like, oh, don't worry the brain just go put more flowers, but it said the phone because i know the rush anymore. so i know the ultimate stick to be honest. and before and of all these deaf, his daughter dosher, i spoke about her father's wish for russians to unite against me and put in tickets in one of my fever chance my dad used to do during the 2011 to 2014 protests. and moscow was one for all and all for one. this is the phrase that we're all familiar with. but most of us often forget dictators like who didn't want us to forget it. as they want us to forget how strong we can be when we work together, they want us to forget how much we can accomplish when we stand side by side. a pulling are you are joining us from the you a today. um, are you also? um, let's say no so optimistic about the future of this movement. i mean, how much more difficult have things gotten for activists in and outside of russia to continue campaigning for just a different reality. i completely agree that a lot of people in rock shot a lot of people, the doctor sent me a from inside of much of my family. they still stayed there, my friends, and then told me to, to be honest, they don't have any hope left, you know, they're just tired. but nobody knew that it really i would say it gave me more energy into the sense that i will be as oh, like as a lot of pressure people they feel infuriated the fuel do reach and i feel like for the people now this range is the source of action, this region stuff can be converted, the actions against the functions produce government. you mentioned leaving russia in march 2022, that's shortly after russia's invasion of ukraine and many of the activists. we have been speaking say that that was a watershed moment. really that things have gone much more difficult since then on on. i want to get your take your would you agree that things have gotten significantly more difficult since russia's invasion of ukraine and how people are just today unable to go outside protests, even if they are carrying a white piece of paper. uh yes it's uh became uh definitely uh, worst um because uh there are some really crill lot now and uh shows um it is uh becoming, it has become worse and its uh we will be a worse i think, but also uh i can agree with that you know, ends up with an ira as it so people now they are afraid. so because of the money may be and presents even for, as you mentioned, taking the, just the sheet of paper. so, um you yeah. you, you mentioned how much more difficult things are likely to get in your opinion. if you guys are part of a generation that have known nothing but life under log me a put in is that because of the narratives that were around you guys taught in school, etc. and how do you go about changing that? do you have any hopes that people, the people of russia could choose something different? mm. not, not, not now. definitely. i don't know. i, i don't, i don't believe in some kind of a change like, uh, 02 men you, protesters will go out on something. you will change and button will look down from travelling and he will say all of that. so he had too many people are going on very happy with what i'm doing. okay, i'll retire. i don't believe in the us. i, the only option is like some kind of coded or some something we lease or i don't know since all of which is death or something like that. because people want to scan even that there is right. very many people who are not exactly very happy with what they're getting on. people are a twos gant, and i believe they have some kind of a wrong picture about the basics. i mean, i don't want us say that while everybody do, all this is completely safe. i wouldn't be outside russia if it was the case, but to get into real trouble, you need to be a, it needs to be either. no, it's very lucky, like really not lucky. or you have to kind of do lots of things like id, like i've addressed it many times and this is why, well, my next case might be, uh, like um, i mean, real present. so this is why i left. but you could just go out if you just, um, well, but while you can get a fine, you can get the rest as for, i don't know a few days and then you'll get in trouble. maybe when the police officers will come, come by every now and, and we'll ask you like i, you okay, i'm going to probably test again or something like that, but it's it, but it's not like you're going to get right away. oh, there was, there is the $400.00 plus people that weren't detained for, i don't know, just laying flowers for and of all me. you say that they are not risking that much, at least if that is the 1st time that they are out. but if this is the 3rd or the 2nd, the 3rd, the 2nd or the 3rd time, maybe that that will be dangerous. uh, and also the previous, um, the previous decision of the court uh, shoot already to kind of take place. uh should i don't call him coming to paula whatever the time is the legal time. so its not, oh, well, i can even get to rest a few times like you 5 or something, but you have to kind of have but 3 uh, real court rulings against you so that it becomes a real or 2 to yeah, the 3rd one is the the 3rd one means game, so that's my case. so i was arrested to more than uh, 2 times. oh, but optimized. and no, i'm sorry, good to official decisions. i had to leave because next time would mean game. that sounds quite so real though, to live in an era where you have to calculate how many times you've been detained for. yeah, going out in the street. oh yeah, i'm pulling are, you are also detained. you also got yourself into quite a lot of trouble. you actually got married, the day russia invaded ukraine, then you went out to protest once again. and again, you took the difficult decision to leave your family behind and leave russia. would you say that most russians, young russians of your generation today want change or are they just i don't know just so lost and so hopeless about um, what you just said. there is not a possibility that many people will look down at a mass of protests and resign. so there's really no change coming anytime soon. to be honest, so things like blood pressure are like any other people in any other country use some of my friends and people who stay in the shop. um, they're like me, you know, they're full of reach and teeth for the go to love for the country and they do want to change other people. for example, for example, my family to do it from. of course, this time it's the most connect some pictures work and people there. um oh, they leave in the actual property and even so my young friends from there, you know, they don't have their interest and don't like the will of politics or do your politics speak just want you not to eat to the been you know, to take care of their family. so of course it depends, but i would say that the majority of young people, i know, of course the one change because of that i said people from russia, they're like any other people from any other country. they would also be one to the freely people under normal future, you're going to be normal people, if you don't want to be shumate. so that's how the people here to, it's interesting you, you bring a picture of a rush or that we rarely see. but obviously this, this russia that is struggling to feed their children kind of thing, but i'm not, what about this change that we've been talking about here? how do you go about making it a reality then? because i mean, there are presidential elections coming off on march 15th, would you are you planning on even going out to vote? oh yeah, i'm going to go to it. so and i'm definitely going to vote. that's i know that's you're looking for my friends. so they just are, they are not a political, but the, uh, you don't see any sense in uh go in and vote for many young people. uh, just uh they are. they gets used to leave in the ceiling or uh, they can do nothing. hm. even if they want us to be against uh, the actual government. um you'd, yeah. what would you say it would take for the russia on the, her dreams and aspirations, the russia you've been fighting for when you took to the streets and took those risks and were detained multiple times. what will it take for that russia to emerge? i didn't know, i think uh, i think this and i, i don't really, i really, really believe in some, uh, a quick change that we guys make too many people into protest, but the elections actually is. uh the what was the 17th of march is it is a good day up to, to do something because it is completely legal. you can go to the polls and just vote and know, but you can ask you to stay at home, especially with this uh, ideal um, visiting default at the same time uh uh at midnight. so this is quite, quite an unusual time add to it to vote because, well, i've been, i've worked and the elections and usually it's not like the most popular time people usually a comedy about the late in the evening. and so, till 12 o'clock, just in the afternoon, that's a good time for everybody who doesn't support what is going on to just come in vote . and just to see that there are, there are many people. so it will probably, it will not change anything. but at least people will feel some kind of unity, or they will see the neighbors for the 1st time and they will understand why they are there. so if, if i way rush, i would definitely do that. what about you? i'm pulling aria. what do you think you will take for the russia that you hope will emerge on day? what? what will it take for that to happen? definitely number the selections that are coming into the middle of march. and the think um for this bribes, russell future to call the 3 o 12. this is really the change the tactics and change. the attitude. uh, richard kendrid oldest here says a position before the war because the thing that arbor comes to the regime has changed a lot. and now i believe it was, think we need to focus that much on then selection of that they're coming in because you know, as it sounds like it will not change absolutely anything. and i don't think that we should even yeah, we should be able to focus on any type of um, word that we were doing because for example, i was also working on elections. i was working in political headquarters for a positional candidates. and now i think of our instruments, the need to change according to the change of the region. so i would say that um to see our beautiful restaurant, a few insured. i really need to sense this love for our country and do reach that we have and china to live in. um i would say qualitatively on other options that they've been doing before. and i take take, put in baltimore while i'm a products um, if uh and you people that can afford it so much more radical measures in your opinion on here. and i couldn't jump in place. sure, of course we were out of time, but i'll give you the final words here. uh if you want you, you yeah, i wanted to say that uh, nobody wants violent processed. um, nobody wants to risk anything and elections has a good chance just to go and do something. so for people who don't ever do anything that to afraid even to go in late slower, if they can just go with the boat because it is completely legal. so i think it is the good idea to tell, well, the elections will not change anything. of course, it will not change. and it said it would have to who was talking about the russian elections. but the people who should should go out, people should see each other. people should just see that they're not low. this is really what people lack nowadays because they, they think that everybody supports food and which is not true. so uh and definitely all right on, on the final word here i'm, i'm so sorry we're really running out of time, but i wanna, i wanna get on to continue this conversation on a, your take more radical protests, more radical actions or quite the opposite baby steps and, and slowly lives towards a change, a more drastic change. like it's kind of the for, for me it's a, it's too too black and white. it's a visa and or you, because when the, when you are here, it's not. so it's not so easy to think that's i completely agree. yeah. both sides . you and the yes. so the selection will won't change anything as yes. uh, so we shouldn't go and vote because that firstly it's uh, it's a really illegal we assume that says uh, suggest showing your position. and it says i also have agreed to wait to raise awareness because that i so all the like government. so the channels, they should be they, we will show the process that would show the process and probably as so they just they will have to show and what's happening on the election on the elections and the option to get. and so this really great idea to show your position before it's uh, became that the legal. mm hm. yeah. so you've read something that is legal and helps you to show your position. so just, just to basically just so you have to vote at a precise time that will mean something else. and we'll send potentially a message to let me put in, but also to the international community. and to those around, you know, you're not getting this right. it is nothing about sending the message to food and it just is just about sending the message to each of the other. people can see that there are a lot of us, that's it, right? 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