the cliff house is privately owned, but it sits on federal land. so, a few days ago, it decided it's going to reopen after the federal shutdown. but tonight, the feds said no way. >> just as the sun was setting along ocean beach, people inside the house were taking in the views. but looming overhead, a dark cloud. a federal order to shut down tonight. >> when the government shut down happened, the cliff house was above and beyond to stay open. they were closed over a very busy weekend. they came up with an idea. >> reopen -- >> our owners decided it was worth a shot to get everyone back in the building. >> and so yesterday and today, the kitchen was bustling again and business was booming. chef webber's special of the day. >> i have oysters, fries. >> all was good again until the government caught wind and ordered them to close. >> do you think you're going to fly under the radar? >> we were hoping to, unless we tried, we didn't really know. >> so weddings, brunches, canceled and 170 cliff house employees unemployed. a first in chef webber's 37 yea

>> she admitted to pushing him off the cliff and doing it out of anger. she also defeated any possibility of a self-defense claim by saying that he moved away from him, he turned around, his back was to her, she could have walked away but didn't and out of anger pushed him off the cliff. >> did she push him out of anger? >> she did. she said she was angry and couldn't control herself. basically she set up a manslaughter, so-called manslaughter defense in that. that is what ultimately the d.a., i'm sorry, the federal government here, the u.s. attorney's office is going to be able to prove. >> all right. and there are those who say that this is really a self-defense case, that, you know, that she's going to claim that he pushed her first and that, you know, she pushed him back. >> nonsense. it's not going to happen. >> it's not based on the facts. they argue nonsense all the time. >> assuming that the statements are true, if she's going to try to challenge the statements. >> we know she's a liar because at first she said she didn't know where he was and the

it's a big cliff. a couple hundred feet.. >> for a few seconds tim straddles that line. >> i was really stoked going off of it, and i was really excited. >> it was like slow motion watching him fall out of the sky. it was unbelievable. then watching him land, you know, i saw him land. i thought he was going to pull it off for sure. >> but tim doesn't pull it off. far from it. >> i knew as soon as i hit. i felt my face hit the handlebars and i knew something, my teeth were broke or my lip was cut off or something like that. >> tim landed pushed the handlebars down and the sled bucked back, bucked back forward, then tim got fully ejected feet over head, landed in front of the sled. >> and that sled is still running. >> it just mowed my butt down and gave me the biggest hematoma you've ever seen in your life. it's a giant bruise. >> for rob and the crew it's a scary sight. >> it was like losing my brother right in front of my eyes. i wasn't sure what happened. i pretty much freaked out, hopped on my sled. went over to make sure

he died after he fell off a cliff. and she is accuse odd pushing him.e with crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis is a daily game of "what if's". what if my abdominal pain and cramps end our night before it even starts? what if i eat the wrong thing? what if? what if i suddenly have to go? what if? but what if the most important question is the one you're not asking? what if the underlying cause of your symptoms is damaging inflammation? for help getting the answers you need, talk to your doctor and visit crohnsandcolitisadvocates.com to connect with a patient advocate from abbvie for one-to-one support and education. hd >>> the stakes just got higher for a woman accuse of pushing her husband over a cliff a few days after they were married. cnn's casey wyan has that update for us. >> fred, a not guilty plea to first degree murder charges for alleged newlywed killer jordan graham. prosecutors originally charged montana newlywed for second degree murder for pushing her husband off this cliff in glaser national park. now a grand jury has added a charge of

juliette goodrich explains what happened last night after the cliff house defied orders and reopened. >> reporter: just as the sun was setting along ocean beach, people inside the cliff house were taking in the views. but looming overhead, a dark cloud. >> closing our doors for the duration of the government shutdown. >> reporter: a federal order to shut down. >> when the government shut down happened, the cliff house went above and beyond to stay open. they were closed over a very busy weekend. they came up with an idea. re-open. >> our owner decided that it was worth a shot to get everyone back in the building. >> reporter: and so the kitchen was bustling again and business was booming. chef weber's special of the day -- >> i have oysters, i have fries. >> reporter: all was good until the government caught wind and ordered them to close. you think you're going to fly under the radar? >> we were hoping to but once we tried we didn't know. >> reporter: and so weddings, brunches, sunset dinners canceled and 170 cliff house employees unemployed. a first in chef weber's 37 years here. >>

. >>> plus, a hand stand on the edge of a cliff and what happens when cliff diving isn't all it is cracked up to be. >> one, two, three, and -- >> ahh! >>> i have footage of a chase. it is not what you are expecting. this is all happening in laurel county, kentucky. you have a car chasing that pickup truck. it is not a particularly high-sfeed chase. you see the guy driving the pick-up truck tap his brakes, starts to slow down and comes to a complete stop. >> what are you doing on my property? what are you doing on my property? >> what the heck? this is a man and a woman fighting? >> yes. the woman with the camera is gwen watts. she lives in a home just behind her mother's home. she notices this man on her mother's property. she thought he was trying to break in to her mother's house. she comes out, makes her presence known. he gets into her car and drives away. that is not enough. she is going to follow this guy to figure out who in the heck he is. he is not happy about the fact that she is following him. >> what are you doing on my mother's property sf. >> glen watts believes that he was

she was so angry she pushed him and he fell off the cliff. graham told friend she was having second thoughts about the marriage and was planning to talk to the issues with johnson the night he died. >> extreme weather alert, while you were sleeping a tornado touched down in februanebraska. check out this new photo taken in the town of bennett. that is where the twister hit. tropical storm karen churning toward the gulf coast. this homeowner boarding up his home before the storm hit later tonight. there is snow to talk about in if wyoming and montana, the threat even higher today. >> what we can expect for the weekend. >> what they are seeing is tropical storm karen is starting to weaken. it doesn't look very organized. we have dry air work against the storm system. relatively strong helping to steer parts of the snowstorm. we have maximum sustained winds at 60 miles an hour with tropical storm karen. it is still a prop cal storm. it is still possible that the storm system could intensify as we head into the next 24-hours. we could be seeing t

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the famous cliff house in the cliff house restaurant. would you believe it's going to be closed today. it's the victim of the federal government shutdown because of where the property sits. it's october 3rd. i'm dave clark. >> i'm pam cook. the time is 5:30. it feels chilly but steve said it's going to get warmer. >> chilly for some and mild for others. we'd be hard pressed to find a cloud today. 50s or 60s and 40s. 42 in other locations like downtown napa are 59. antioch and brentwood. 25 or 35 in the higher elevations. the north to santa cruz mountains. suffice to say, it's on its way to turn and means sunshine for all. looks good, especially towards santa cruz and upper 70s mainly around the bay. here's sal. >> steve, good morning. we do good when it comes to the morning commute. the traffic looks good in certain areas but we have a crash in the county and summersville road, motorcycle and two other cars. it's causing some slow traffic in the area. but after that, the rest of contra costa county looks good. and 80 in western contra co

ingredients for life. >> marty: the cliff house is officially reopened for business.to close its doors because of the government shutdown. as kron 4's alecia reid reports, >> reporter: cliff house owners scrambled to open its doors after the government give them the o-k. the kitchen is once again busy with bustling waiters --- and guests at the bistro waiting patiently for their mealsdue to the government shutdown, the cliffhouse -- which is a part of the golden gate national recreation area -- was forced to shut down. >> the overhead and the upkeep of the building that costs 10-12 thousand dollars a day. that's just to start with. the longer the shutdown drags on, or the longer we stay closed, the more employees we lose. i think we lost 4-5 employees. >> reporter: owners complied and closed their doors, but due to hardships of the restaurants' 170 employees, decided to reopen. after a few days the parks department shut them down againthen on friday night they heard good news. >> i am so happy to be back at work. i think this was the first time i woke up and was sad i

the fiscal cliff is coming! we went over the cliff and the world still turned.debt ceiling the end or another case of boy that cried world? here is my favorite professor, e university of chicago and paul vina from "the wall street journal." chars, so great to have you back on the show. paul you too. we haven't seee charles in a little while. so i have to give him his props right out the gate. let me ask you, the world is set to end a number about times now. i'm fairly sure we're still here and i don't think we solved a lot of problems. italy, cyprus, spain and greece. did we fix the problems or did the worried end and i didn't get the message? >> you're in new york but in chicago the sky has actually fallen and you haven't -- so, actually, what happened there and what looks like will be the answer to what we're doing is kicking the can down the road. somebody just told me that it seems like they're dancing around the candle. i said they're kicking that candle down the road. but i will say one thing that really connects what'sshappening there wwth those kinds of

the cliff house fulfilled the criteria, and now they are open. >> we're self-sufficient.e pay them, as a matter of fact. >> reporter: the bistro is up and running. . >>> there's going to be some beautiful weather at the cliff house coming up the next several days. the beach weather will be outstanding because we have offshores winds coming our way, basically winds coming out of the north that blow to the south and that keeps the sea breeze out of the bay area and that means fog-free conditions, mostly clear skies over the bay bridge toll plaza. there could be a few patching of fog in the morning, but otherwise, lots of sunshine and a mild day. we'll continue to warm temperatures up for monday just a few degrees, and even warmer still as we get into tuesday and wednesday, and the offshore wind paper intense fight they that could increase fire danger, as well. low 70s, santa cruz. sunshine for the afternoon, looking at low 60s from ocean breach to half -- from ocean beach to half moon bay. a few clouds to the north and east of fairfield, and that's the weather system passin

abc7 news reporter heather ishimaru is live at the cliff house tonight.federal venues impacted by the shutdown. heather? >> carolyn, waterfront weddings and waterfront jobs are among the casualties of the government shutdown. a server leaving the cliff house says they were told at 2:30 not to come to work tomorrow. brides and grooms with weddings planned at bay area national park venues had only slightly more notice than that. this view should have been a backdrop for a wedding canceled atcitro heights. yesterday two weddings were canceled at other national park sites, china beach and the muir over look. a wedding planned at the maritime museum had to be relocated with the help of the caterer. >> we had to come up with a plan. >> the founders say the bride was understandably upset. >> she was crying. she went to church. she went to play. she was trying to really for this not to be happening. >> they will go to a place for less space for the kitchen among other things. >> we had to redesign the food to make it work in the closet. that's the size of our kit

cliff house has to close. >> judith from new hampshire makes it a point to eat at cliff house in san francisco. >> this does not need to be closed. the people that work here are hired by concession. they won't get paid. the government employees may be will get paid. it's just giving information to stay home. >> at chrissy field, the same story. all concessions were closed and drivers not allowed to park cars there. the shut down is also affecting these childrens' creative juices. every year public school students in san francisco participate in a leap sand castle contest but because the competition is held at ocean beach, the event has been postponed. ocean beach is part of the golden gate national recreation area. >> because of the federal government they weren't agreeing so they had to shut down beaches and other stuff. >> the competition brings in donations and contributions that help fund art programs in the school district. that is now put on hold n san francisco, abc 7 news. >> agriculture department threatening to shut down three poultry processing plants linked to a salmonela

he has got cliff to the left, cliff to the right. narrow ridge but it is not terrifyingly narrow. >> it is narrow right there. one little topple and he is rolling down a really long ways. >> i feel like you are showing this because he is about to go over the cliff or this will disable him. >> believe it or not, for once, it is all about a beautiful ride. no falls, no crashes, nothing crazy happens. just soak in the beauty. just a grade ride. he was proud of himself for finding it on the map. >>> ferret shreds on the guitar. >>> bat dad strikes again. >> that carpet shampooer is a rental. get off. >> no. >yotdad went viral with his first video. a compilation of five videos that he put together. so you can have his second video. here we go. >> i know you are in there. come out! >> he flushes out the bad guys or the kids. >> the rules of the road don't apply to me. stop picking your nose. thank you. >> this guy is great. >> no. >> i want him to be my dad for a day. >> i like how his kids are amused by it and his wife is so put-aupon. >>

and she said, well would you jump off the cliff if they were jumping off the cliff, well, macy is jumpinghe cliff, everyone else is doing it. charles: and to a money pool, macy's might be craay not to to do this. >> the most important time of the year for retailer. if walmart is doing it, target, kmart, macy's has to do it, every second they are not open loses money for them, it is a good move for them, shareholders their employees and the rest. charles: stock has been beautiful chart, since bottoming in 2009, but it has pulled back, can people buy on weakness? >> i'm not sure, looking at charts of targets, walmart, macy's gap, they are not acting well, i think that consumer has some issues here. >> todd? >> well, they have showed some problem with the summer on, you know it just a pause that refreshes or is there a worry on their future earnings. charles: issue number two, netflix, talking with several cable companies to offer netflix app in our cable box. i was pounding the table on this to high subscribers last week, what does this potentially mean for netflix? there strange bed fellow

just go walking over that cliff and nothing's going to happen. nothing at all.he people's senator john mccain called the wacko birds are saying we can all fly. like the wacko birds, we can soar up there beyond reality. we can still end up high in the air like the strange birds that got us going over the cliff in the first place. like the hawks that talk us into wars all the time. saying they won't last long, or i love this one, they'll pay for themselves. the rand paul types are now telling us, don't worry walk over that cliff. we can all fly. we're a country of wacko birds. you have to ask what's happened to this country. it's bad enough having to face the 40 senators who can regularly shut down a bill. we now have 30 members of the house who can stand out there and shut down the government. and just for fun threaten the economic standing in the world. when is john boehner going to lead his party and tell the right wingers out there to fly a kite? when is the president going to declare a deadline? the day and hour when he needs a debt ceiling bill on the table

but in just over an hour - customers will be experiencing the last supper here at cliff house. can blame the government shutdown. >> reporter:i spoke with the executive chef who had just received a call from an official at the national parks. after defying the government and opening for service today. tonight, they are being forced to close down. >> we got the word, just a short time ago is audit farmhands. we unfortunately we have to close down it is out of our hands. >> reporter:many tourists were surprised that the popular attraction is even part of the government shutdown. >> reporter:but all concessions in national parks are required to close. that means that the cliffhouse's 170 employees will be without paychecks. and customers who were thrilled to get a seat at the counter. are making the most of their last meal here for a while. >> you are having your last supper. i will have again i will have it again. >> reporter:pam, to use a cliche' this is a real cliff-hanger. who knows when the cliffhouse will be open again. it's one more reason to hope the stalemate in washingon

the privately owned cliff house is on federal land. it closed when the shutdown first began but after a couple of days the owners decided it was worth a shot to re-open. federal officials gave the restaurant a slap on the wrist last night and shut it down again. >> we've gone through fire, floods and everything and this never happened. >> so until the crisis is finally resolved, weddings and other events have been canceled and 170 employees right now are out of work. >>> another victim of the government shutdown is just down the street from the cliff house. this weekend sandcastle contest at ocean beach has been canceled for the first time in 30 years. ocean beach is part of the golden gate national recreation area which is under federal jurisdiction. kids from more than 20 schools were set to compete and thousands of people were expected to show up on saturday. >>> a stanford professor has won the nobel prize in chemistry. michael levitt is among three scientists who won today. in the 70s soffits they developed computer models -- in t

he can't climb back up or continue down. >> the cliff was approximately 200, 250-foot cliff side ands approximately 75 to 100 feet down right in that area, in a steeper section of the cliff. >> los angeles firefighters oscar and robert are part of the team called in to help save ivan and his dog from a nearly 200-foot fall. helicopters make the first attempt. a rescuer is lowered down a safety line and tries to attach harnesses to both ivan and the dog. >> the reason why we decided or the department decided to go with the helicopter first, i guess that's how our procedure works, our protocol. we figured that would be the easiest way, the safest way. to rescue ivan. >> but the wind and noise generated by the chopper causes lola to panic. and ivan scrambles to cover her with his body. >> during their attempt, the roteo wash was so great that it was blowing rocks and debris across ivan and the dog, which actually made the situation worse. >> it turned out it could have been a dangerous operation so we backed out on that and we went to plan "b," which was for the members, the firefighter

the cliff house is privately owned but it sits on federal land. so when the government closed its doors the cliff house had to as well. the owners briefly reopened monday before the feds shut them back down. they estimate they've lost about $10,000 for each day they have been closed. >>> it looks like one event would become a casualty of the shutdown as well, the same can-do spirit that helped world war ii helped richmond's home front festival go on. >> a world war ii a.m. finnian replica plows the water front. it's here to tell the war story. it's the eighth annual festival for kids called "we can do it." but this year's event almost couldn't do it because of the shutdown. betty reed would be here in her parks uniform but this year she's not allowed to wear it. >> my uniform meant much to me because i don't think that most children of color see enough park rangers to be able to choose that as a career path. >> reporter: but the festival and the history lessons go on in the privately owned former ford plant where they built army trucks and tanks.

remember that guy that did the winging off of the cliff and he was going to do like a little gymnastics, a little rope. >> but that guy, he had something on to break his fall. this guy's got nothing. >> the way i work, that's -- i always envision it before i undertake any kind of action. and this image follows me all through the working process. it's the drive behind everything i do. >> he's actually very confident in his abilities to stand on one hand and show his crotch to the sky, so i like that shot right there. from a distance, it looks like he's floating midair. >> yeah, it does look really gnarly, and this is, he claimed, the first time that someone has done this from that height. >>> it's a wedding celebration in turkey. you hear people around them chanting. why the chanting turned into cries for help. >>> and a longboarder is looking good down a hill, but -- >> here's what it looks like when it goes bad. >> how a slow slide led to one long recovery. [ [ cocougughshs, , snsneee] i have a big m meeeetiting when we land, bubut t i i amam s so o st, i can't rest. [ male a annnnouou

cliff, you'll be with us.thank you, peter. >>> when we come back, the mismanagement of the obama care rollout is taking a toll on the president's approval rating. management expert bill george will join us right after this. >>> and later, we have some breaking data on employment. we've got the weekly jobless claims due at 8:30 a.m. eastern. "squawk box" will be right back. >>> and now "squawk horror stories" from the year 2025. >> congress votes to raise the hotel tax on wi-fi to $40 per night. >> blackberry discontinues keyboard phone models while touch screen phones have switched to complex 3d imagery technology leaving me no way to communicate with anybody. >> nbc's "today" show again wins the morning's rating award carried by charismatic new cohost steve liesman. >> this has been "squawk horror stories" from the year 2025. the most free research reports, customizable charts, powerful screening tools, and guaranteed 1-second trades. and at the center of it all is a surprisingly low price -- just $7.95. in f

. >> i think both parties are fighting on the edge of a cliff and when you're on the edge of a cliff, the economy says, you don't ask who is right, that's what they are doing, you ask what the heck are we doing at the edge of the cliff? we are in a terribly vulnerable position as an economy and country right now. particularly as an economy. we could plunge the economy into a worse place. it's a plague on both their houses on one level. secondly, what you have is a situation where there's no presidential leadership. if you had reagan or lyndon johnson as president, you would never have had this. reagan used to have democrats in for lunch. he had six of them every time. he had relationships across the table. not only does obama not have relations with the republicans, he doesn't have relations with the democratic leadership. i can say that -- wait a minute, i can say that from direct contact with the leadership of the democratic party in the house. they are very dismayed. he never helps them, he doesn't know how to deal with them. he doesn't know how to deal with the republicans. >> the

if that wasn't enough we've gone beyond, we all remember the fiscal cliff. we're now at like the fiscal mountain range where he go from self-imposed crisis to self-imposed cry sess. fers it was se quest reags. then it was a government

that's the real cliff i think we are walking toward. i would only opine to you that why this is so tough, the american people get this. maybe not on the shutdown, although there has been a lot of debate back and forth, but they sure get this on the debt limit. 52% do not want any interest in the debt limit. they get it. they look at this is their own family budget and they understand this. 70 -- 80% say no spending -- no increase without any spend reform and we hear no negotiation. it reminds me of the debate of the paris peace talks in the vietnam era, thus size of the table in the height of the chairs. maybe this morning when the president recently republican leadership and the democratic leadership previously, we could get the high chairs and we will take the low chairs. this is silly. senator schumer said that basically we are walking toward a cliff with a blindfold. i think we have the blindfold off. no action on entitlement reform, no action on tax policy -- i have been to the dinner with senator isaacson at the white house print

you know what -- you know what damage going over the fiscal cliff would do.e are going to take the done troifr the fiscal cliff to get their way. they are extremists. different from putting on a bumper sticker and putting it in congress and doing it. >> we will hit pause there. everyone, let us know your thoughts. still to come, sea world trainer killed by the animal she loved. now a controversial film places blame. plus the most exclusive event of the day. what happened at the royal christening? who was left out? and our shout-out tonight. race interrupted. the man who shot the video you are going to watch here was running a race. in this race you have a lot of obstacles and challenges to overcome. one of those you have to be really tough to handle these. this race took place in south africa which had a whole different set of challenges. as you can see. like a herd of wildebeests. here they come. coming right in your face. the runner was okay. our shout-out goes to the wildebeest. humans, get the hell out, this is our territory. we will be back. for aches an

. >>> a grand jury charges a montana newly wed with pushing her husband off a cliff to his death. >>> california governor jerry brown signs a law allowing undocumented immigrants to apply for drivers licenses. california is now one of 11 states that has enacted such law. >>> take a look at this rare two-headed calf. it is in vermont. vets say she is perfectly healthy. >>> turning to business. as we mentioned the dow dipped below 15,000 and you won't be getting unemployment numbers today since the government is partially closed. >>> twitter is looking to raise $1 billion. twitter earned 87% of the revenue so far this year from advertising but it has lost about $70 million in the first half of the year. >>> bank error in your favor to the tune of a few trillion dollars. it happened to a handful of mississippi bank customers who woke up to trillions of dollars. bancorp south corrected the errors. >>> adobe announces this morning that they have been hacked resulting in 3 million accounts being compromised. information removed includes incrypted credit cards. >>> critics say it is another

they said government shutdown, fiscal cliff. but a debt ceiling breech has real and lasting -- it's not just that we -- real and lasting impacts that many people and i would say many members of congress aren't aware of. and they are from a policy standpoint, obviously. but any time something that large happens, it has big political ramifications. it's my belief why they won't do it -- >> i -- here's my problem with this -- my friend, chris, i don't think they are willing to believe fact. there are people in the hard right right now who are going to say i don't believe in evolution in any form. they are not willing to say there is climate change. it might hurt a mining company. they don't face the facts. that's the problem. i'm beginning to think they are quite willing to not face this looming reality. if the united states becomes a deadbeat that's what we are. >> chris, you have had tea party members of congress on this very show who have said i don't think the default will be that bad and we can pay the bills in a retire order.

i'm afraid they will send us over the cliff. this is not looking good. i willisagree with one thing.

cliff sterns joins us from washington, d.c.is a senior counselor at a firm specializing in cyber security and trade negotiation. and lawrence korb assistant secretary of defense in the reagan administration, and he is the senior fellow at the center for american progress and a profess at georgetown university. cliff france was not happy, brazil's government did the same thing about other revelations. how serious is this for our international relations? >> i think it's serious, because right now we're talking about a trade investment partnership, and this is going to impact the free trade agreement between the united states and america, plus we have a 1995 safe harbor agreement that allows companies in the united states, over 3,000 to transmit data across the landic into the european union, and i think the european commissioner will probably do away with that safe harbor, and come up with a new agreement, and it will be tough to do if you have more snowden allegations that continue to pile up. >> larry your old boss, ronald reag

he voted with john boehner on the fiscal cliff, so he didn't go over the fiscal cliff. so this is a bit of a -- >> he did write the op ed in the "wall street journal" that seemed to turn the tide there. but again, ask paul. paul's smart enough to speak for himself. >> so congressman, here we are 16 days later, $24 billion of the economy not there because of what happened with the government shutdown and other things in the last few weeks here. if you could go back in time and convince republicans to follow your lead, how would you have done this? what would you have done? obviously you're concerned about the debt and deficit as a lot of your colleagues are who are now talking about that as opposed to it about obama care. what would you have said? >> what john boehner and eric cantor said they wanted to do, which was to give a continuing resolution, clean resolution, fund the government through the second week of september and go right to the debt ceiling and negotiate that for fourer of five weeks. that way the public would be on our scythe side. they wouldn't have had