last april when a top official at doj told him his client, gary shapley, would be protected as a whistle-blowerley was the first to come forward, hold up the red flag and said there's problems with this hunter biden investigation. one of the attorneys for shapley, mike lytle said one day after he talked to a top official, u.s. attorney david-wise, now special counsel, met with hunter biden's defense attorney, chris clark, here at the justice department. he said promises and whistle-blower protection from doj suddenly disappeared. >> in just two short weeks, my interactions with m mr. winesheimer said they would like to hear about any wrong doing or any allegations of improper won duct to two weeks later go talk to mr. weiss. >> it's notable, gillian, merrick garland will testify on capitol hill in front of the house judiciary committee and expect this topic to come up multiple times. gillian? >> thanks, david. let's bring in tristin levitt, attorney for gary shapley. thanks for taking time with us this afternoon. david laid out this latest accusation. but it would be great to hear it in your ow

we are back with gary shapley.hen david weiss said it is not up to me, the charges can be brought against hunter biden, it goes above my head. who was in charge then? >> that is the question. we knew the charges had to go through d.c. or california and the government even provided a motion that said they had to move to d.c. or california to bring charges. as the attorney general was making the testimony to congress and david weiss saying he had full authority to charge wherever he wanted to and his june 30 letter says i cannot charge outside of delaware, i have to partner with the u.s. attorney. as more information is coming out, it is clear that is exactly what happened. they turned him down. that just goes to show the admission to making him special counsel. look at the information provided previously, they said charge or investigate anywhere he wanted to. he had to partner with local u.s. attorneys. when they made him special counsel, they had to make him special counsel. the only place they can charges d.c. in

mark weideling, the attorney for gary shapley, irs whistleing blower, he says a top the doj official-mail him about possibly probing doj officials obstructing the investigation, but then he dropped that. fox news' david spunt with much more. >> reporter: hi, elizabeth. the attorney for irs whistleblower gary shapley says back in april, one day after he spoke to a career official here at the department of justice, actually, the top career official who's worked in both the trump and biden administration and assured weidel that his client would be protected, he claims the the same official met next day with david weiss and chris clark, hunter biden's attorney in this case. gary shapley was the first person to come forward publicly, hold up his hand and say, listen, i'm a whistleblower, and i see problems with this investigation. shapley claims it was slow-walked. mark weidel says he talked to a top doj official, u.s. attorney david weiss -- now special counsel -- met with the defense attorney at the doj. he also says those promises about whistleblower protection for his client suddenly

so irs whistle-blower gary shapley's attorney mark lytle joins me again now.to have you with us. what is your reaction to this that came out over the weekend? big stuff. >> thanks, martha. thanks for having me on today. my overall reaction with this information that has come out from the politco and "new york times" articleses is that david weiss has to go. he cannot be the special counsel in this case. every day there's new re-lations about mr. -wise and the way he's handled this case. it's come out now that he first thought there should be no charges in this case. then he reacted when the whistle-blowers came out and came up with this special deal, the two misdemeanors with no jail time. now we hear threats that show the defense team was threatening to put president biden on the stand. to say that is a threat shows that what is that going accomplish in the head of the executive branch would be testifying in a trial against the department of justice. it means weiss has to go. a special counsel from outside the government, outside the department of justice has

let's bring interest in levitt, attorney for the irs whistle-blower gary shapley. great to have you on the program, thank you for being here. i actually want to start by playing some of the testimony of mr. shapley's colleague who came in as the second whistle-blower and corroborated what your client said about what it was like to work in this office and to find these felony violations as they sought only to see them get back to bernards. here's what he said back on jul. >> it appeared to be based on what i experienced of the u.s. attorney in delaware in our investigation was constantly hamstrung, limited and marginalized by doj officials as well as other u.s. attorneys. i still think that a special counsel is necessary for this investigation. >> martha: he's saying the same person who now has been named special counsel was hamstrung and limited and told them in that meeting according to their testimony, i know you think you have a case here but my hands are tied in this whole thing, why would he be chosen to push this further? >> for several reasons i think. it's c

gary shapley, the irs whistleblower, calling this vindication. but here we are, we're looking at the same prosecutor who took roughly five years to get to minor charges in this now-defunct plea deal, gone now. tuesday of this week he goes, mr. weiss goes and asks a.g. merrick garland to appoint him special counsel. your thoughts on that and why now? >> thanks, molly. great being with you. weiss has already shown his hand. he created this plea deal which you never -- everyone in the legal system will tell you, you do not seek the lower conviction, a misdemeanor, when a felony is what should be brought to the courts. and he also engaged in passing by the statute of limitations for the felony over that 5-year period. he denied access to subpoenas along the way, he gave updates to attorneys, he has shown his hand to really just be on same team as team hunter and team joe. so, look, the evidence here is unbelievable, and i agreed with what much of representative bera rah said, let's let the legal process come out. but for them to continue to deny that

you got david weiss, gary shapley, the whistleblower and four other people in the meeting. we want to talk to those four other people. that's the meeting that gary shapley said was the red line meetings when i decided there was no way this investigation was going to do the right thing. >> harris: really eye opening reports coming one after another now. the "washington post" has detailed how david weiss once worked with president biden's late son, beau, when beau biden was delaware's attorney general. he reports hunter's legal team threatened the d.o.j. would put the president on the stand in his defense. he had everybody working for him. "the new york times" reported that david weiss didn't plan to charge hunter until those i.r.s. whistleblowers came forward about his alleged tax fraud. an attorney for i.r.s. whistleblower gary shapley says all this means one thing. >> my overall reaction with all of this information that has come out from "politico" and "new york times" articles are that david weiss has to go. he cannot be the special counsel in this case. every day there

remember, gary shapley, the whistleblower, first to come forward, hold up the red flag about hunter biden's investigation and say listen, this was slow-walked multiple times. shapley's attorney says after he talked, and now they met at the justice department and promises from whistleblower protection suddenly disappeared. listen. >> in just two, about two short weeks, my interactions with mr. wineshiemer went from the office of deputy attorney general would like to hear about any wrongdoing or any allegations of improper conduct, to just two weeks later go talk to mr. weiss. >> on september 20th, john, the attorney general, merrick garland, will testify on capitol hill before the house for oversight hearing, expect hunter biden to be a big, if not the biggest topic of the day. meanwhile, the fight over the proposed diversion agreement to help hunter biden avoid jail time for lying on a federal gun form that, is heating up. the federal judge in delaware who oversaw the failed plea agreement is giving both sides to september 6th for update there. hunter's team says the diversion agreement is

gary shapley from the i.r.s. reacting to the appointment of that special counsel. his attorney is here joining us. thank you for your time. >> good morning. good to be with you. >> bill: where would we be without the testimony of these two whistleblowers? >> it's pretty clear, bill, first thanks for having me. it's pretty clear that there probably would have never been a plea deal or effort to resolve this case without the whistleblowers coming forward. i would like to point out one little fact that came out in the pleading that was filed by the defense. they have four law firms on this case representing the biden family. they referenced in their pleading yesterday that the prosecutors reached out to them in may of 2023 just this past may to give an invitation to initiate plea discussions. that's a pretty crucial fact when you look at the timeline of what was happening with the whistleblowers come forward. if you recall, i wrote a letter to various committees of congress on april 19th of this year noting that i represented a whistleblower who wanted to come forward

plus, you won't believe what irs whistleblower gary shapley -- gary shapley's attorney is now allegingl check in with h house government oversight and accountability chair, james comer, when we continued. thank you for being with us. ♪ ♪ clearchoice dental implants changes your struggle with missing teeth forever. it changes how you eat, how you feel, and how you enjoy life. it changes your smile and how others smile at you. clearchoice network doctors have changed over 100,000 lives with dental implants, and they can change yours, too. because a clearchoice day changes every day. schedule a free consultation. ♪ ♪ >> sean: all right, investigations are wrapping up. the walls are closing in on their experience hunter and joe biden, his father. earlier today, the house oversight committee chair james comer demanded the national archives hand over records from hunter biden's use of air force two following reports that he made over a dozen trips with then vice president joe biden. by the way, some deals were consummated not long after. the national archives and the history of stonewalling

with that, we bring in irs whistle-blower gary shapley. thanks for being here.as to be removed from this case. do you agree? >> so for david weiss to continue on as a special counsel in this investigation raises so many questions for the american people. his credibility is just nonexistent at this point. he played his cards in this investigation. he decided what was going to be charged, he was at one point based on the information released from this weekend was at one point not even going to charge him. he was the part of the investigation that allowed the investigative steps not to occur. >> martha: you know, that was stunning that revelation over the weekend, that he was going to do absolutely nothing in this case. not tax charges, not the low level tax charges or the gun charge. what changed the course of this was when you came forward as a whistle-blowerer. what did you think when you learned that? >> so the release this weekend was really shocking. there's -- i refrain from talking motive here. but as more information is released, it seems to be painting th

republicans argue the agent's testimony corroborates irs whistleblower gary shapley's prior interview. >> i was told the fbi headquarters contacted secret service and the transition team and told them of the pending action the next day. >> the agent described the situation as unusual. he was asked, in your career of 20 years, have you ever been told that you could -- that had you to wait outside of a target's home until they contacted you? the answer, not that i recall. i mean, there had been times where we waited for maybe something else operationally to happen but no, not from the point of view of the targets. the judge of the investigation. but, when asked if the change was based on political considerations, the agent responded, i couldn't answer that. i don't know why the change or why we were instructed of the changes. two days after attorney general merrick garland special counsel. attorneys say they are confident the president's son will not face any new charges. his attorney believes while two misdemeanor tax violations included now a thwarted plea deal may still be on the tab

. >> martha: i just want to play one of gary shapley -- just to remind people. zeigler looks smarter and smarter all the time as this unravels. they came to congress and said, look, here's what's going on with david weiss. so play the number 3, guys, in the call for about what he anticipates will eventually happen with all of this. watch. >> attorney weiss, attorney general garland will be sitting before these committees one day and will have to admit despite all of their problems, the fact is that this case was presented to two presidential appointed u.s. attorneys in d.c. and california that no charges were brought in those districts tells you everything that you need to know. >> martha: leave it there. quick thought on this. >> obviously everything he's talked about gets more true with more and more confirmation. but in addition to that, now weiss wants to go to california to prosecute. what does that tell you? >> oh, he can't do that. he's like -- it's like you can see the feet going under the water now of this duck. >> this will be a real issue going forwar

they have still been trying to say we want to hear more from what gary shapley had to say behind thenes. the other x factor with the special counsel it's hard to imagine we will get answers any time soon. instead it feels like this is going to dredge on quite a bit longer. >> steve: mark, it looks like and you read this story, daily mail has got it now, they have exclusive details -- it looks like and politico got email that they got shapley's attorneys to respond to. it looks like hunter biden had the sweetheart deal. it was gonna happen until these whistleblowers showed up. and spilled the beans on television. next thing you know the doj is doing a 180 and the special counsel comes in and now, you know, all bets are off. and it looks like even though david weiss said the u.s. attorney now the special counsel guy -- even though he said you know i'm not the decider, okay, i am the decider. he is the guy that is supposed to decide whether or not to do something big against this first son. >> steve, as you know, david weiss now says they are going to go trial at this point. it's also p

empower oversight.org, the group representing whistleblower gary shapley joins us now. i want to get this in here, the first tweet i have seen from the potus account, yep, okay. so, they are still just referencing kamala harris. three years since they announced kamala harris as his running mate. awaiting white house reaction. first jump into the breaking news on david weiss named the special counsel under the hunter biden probe and the timing we are zeroing in on. what can you add to this? >> well, according to the attorney general, the u.s. attorney in delaware, mr. weiss, asked for special counsel authority just this tuesday. and was granted it. which is odd, because both mr. weiss and mr. garland have been saying for a long time he didn't need special counsel authority. so it's kinds of an odd choice to pick this person who was leading the office during a time when the irs whistleblowers brought forward all kinds of concerns about the way that the probe was handled and the lack of independence and the special preferential treatment given to the president's son to cho

joining me now is attorney for whistleblower gary shapley, tristan levitt, with empower oversight.our reaction to that reporting, speci speci specific allegation that your client was breaking the law? >> last summer chris clark told prosecutors, before the threat to put joe biden was on the stand said it would be a career killer. it is unfortunate and not a surprise at all, clearly has no gr grounding effect and the judge? delaware, noted that. the pleading from hunter legal team asked chairman jason smith amicus brief be removed from the docket. the judge smacked that down saying making broad allegations was irresponsible of them. >> laura: what is your clinton saying now that we know they wouldn't probably have asked for the guilty plea at all had they not come forward? imagine if they didn't come forward. what is his reaction been? >> couple key points when it comes to gary, knowing what was happening between the prosecutors and the defense counsel assads new dimension. they were cut out of meetings with defense counsel. now we know about the interactions, the threat to have joe

problem number two, brought it up on friday, gary shapley and joey ziegler, here is what they had tohe new special counsel. watch. >> the u.s. attorney in delaware in our investigation was ham strung, limiteds and marginalized by doj officials and other u.s. attorneys. he told me he was not the deciding person on whether or not charges were filed and attorney had declined to allow charges and he said he respected special counsel authority from maine authority and was denied. >> were you the only guy in that meeting? >> i was not. >> how many other people there? >> seven, including me. >> weiss denies this, the whistleblowers seem credible. >> emily: there is reason why comer, house oversight committee, says we have zero confidence of him as special counsel. interestingly, the precedent talk says it is not usually followed. just because something is not usually followed doesn't mean it is here shall be, should be someone not member of current government. this person is holding two positions that represent the u.s. government. what is troubling for americans it seems to kron kraitize i

remember gary shapley, the whistleblower who talked about the years long hunter biden probe.lapsed plea deal confirms his client's testimony and he is warning this could happen into the investigation into the biden family deals. if it were not for the whistleblowers, hunter biden would never have been charged at all. this is exactly the preferential treatment the irs whistleblowers blew the whistle on and why someone independent needs to be special counsel, rather than david weiss. comer thinks he will have the information by wednesday. >> todd: could be right in time for the debate. bring in kaylee mcgee white. great to see you. democrats love to always say hunter was a private citizen. then why is it included on federal government e-mails discussing ukraine policy? >> that is the million dollar question and even if it hadn't been for the evidence turned up, we wouldn't know joe biden knows more than he's letting on for two simple reasons. the first, the white house changed language on the subject from i have never had knowledge of my son's business dealings to the president

that is joseph siegler and gary shapley.hey blew the whistle on this incredibly corrupt investigation going on five long years under david weiss. the statute of limitations he allowed to run out on the most serious charges which would go straight to joe biden and ukraine scam. just shows to me they are really scared of the white house the white house is nervous and the bidens are nervous and things are falling about one —- apart coming out of their control. so this is the way james comert said they would subpoena everything for the family receiving money for these deals is just a way to protect them. >> jesse: the day after he says he wills the peanut jimmy biden that they appoint the special counsel it is so big. this is not just one attorney now the entire department of justice, fbi, cia, white house. almost the entire government has circled the wagons around the biden family. what does that tell you? it is like any cover-up. it engulfs everybody involved. they all say what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceiv

joining me now is the attorney for whistleblower gary shapley, kristin leavitt.e is the president of empower oversight. tristan, your reaction to that reporting, specifically this allegation that your line was the one breaking the law? >> it's clearly utterly ridiculous on its face. we have seen this throughout the threats the hunter biden legal team made. last summer chris clark told the prosecutors even before this threat to put joe biden on the stand that charging joe biden would be a career killer for them. and he is trying what he can to make it be a career killer for our clients as well. so it's unfortunate but not a surprise at all the pleadings had asked chairman amik cass brief giving details be removed from the docket. they claimed there was grand jury or other information there that shouldn't have been and george nor eke can a really smacked that down saying making such broad allegations was irresponsible of . what is your client saying that they wouldn't have asked him for the guilty plea at all if they didn't come forward. imagine if they hadn't come

. >> joining me now is gary shapley who worked for the irs.st irs whistleblower to come forward who testified before a house committee last month alleging political bias in that hunter biden investigation. thank you for being here. are you satisfied with today's decision to elevate him to a special counsel >> the reason we came forward is because we saw things that we had not seen in our history with irs criminal investigation and it demanded we came forward or we would meet our oath of office. the announcement today really vindicated special agent ziegler and i coming forward because some of these issues that were basically admitted to today were the crux of why we came forward. when the attorney general garland comes forward today and what he did is he admitted that the american people were misled by what doj continually told them about the investigation. it is what it is. you ask for special counsel and you get it but the most important thing is the american people have confidence in this investigation and that they know that each person is

whistleblower gary shapley with this. >> there are key witnesses we weren't allowed to interview that ask all the questions of certain people we interviewed. people were tipped off that we were coming before the day of action. their enforcement operations to include search warrants where probable cause was agreed to by the prosecutors that weren't allowed to happen. >> michael mccaul from the great state of texas, house foreign affairs committee chairman and homeland security committee member. impeachment inquiry. are you on board with that? can you explain to folks at home what this means precisely >> it means we'll ramp up our investigation into this. all of a sudden the plot is thickening right now. tens of millions of dollars going into shell corporations in the united states from foreign governments. that's where my committee comes into play. certain foreign policy decisions made because of this money coming in? i was a prosecutor in the 90s to the chen case and the clinton campaign where all this money from china was coming in to influence the clinton election. presidential elec

gary shapley is an i.r.s. whistleblower who claimed the justice department blocked the tax investigation into hunter. when you saw what was taking place yesterday, gary, curious what you initially thought based on your involvement on the tax side of things. did it confirm any of your suspicions? >> so thanks for having me. we brought a lot of facts and evidence to the house oversight committee to include testimony from walker, whatsapp messages and other documents that clearly show that we need to do additional investigation. congress needs to go out there and talk to as many people as they can. that's what we hope they do and devon archer was another step in that process to fully investigate the true lengths to where this ends up to. >> bill: the white house is kicking it to be curb. it appears that house republicans own much hyped witness today testified he never heard president biden discussing business with his son or doing anything wrong. republicans promise bombshell evidence with their attacks against th

. >> trace: gary shapley talking on the heels of hunter biden's best friend and business partner, and working behind the scenes to negotiate a revised version. covering this from all angles. former white water independent counsel saul wiseenberg will join us in a moment, but david spunt from the justice department. any update on the revised agreement? >> we have not seen any updates on the docket as far as proposals from hunter biden's legal team or the united states, meaning the district of delaware. the u.s. attorney there. the agreement may not be an agreement hunter biden wants, the agreement the united states department of justice wants. this comes almost one week after a federal judge, maryellen noreika, chastised both sides, and said i will not be a rubber stamp. she told them to go back to the drawing board. she was appointed by former president trump during his term, giving them a few weeks to hash out differences and come back with a document and agreement she believes is acceptable. she said she has never seen anything like the plea agreement they originally proposed, inclu

clear in terms of what went down we know fbi agents said they were in the room i s spoke with gary shapley on sunday he said i was in room i heard what he said/he said i am not decider who is has to be merrick garland, merrick garland testified under oath he did not interfere in this investigation. so this is serious stuff going on here because this is going to potentially open up the can of worms of whether or not, perjury has taken place, did merrick garland commit perjury is that why they won't allow subpoenas to be enforced. >>let be clear the only reason david weiss was appointed to use this excuse ongoing investigation we can't talk about it we can't give you the information that we need. that is truly the only reason here. , david weiss merrick garland are strategy is to run out the clock, on this investigation, we know based on whistleblower reports that this investigation into hunter biden would never have been opened in the first place had it not been for whistleblowers coming forward the strategy is not even to, you know,, to protect hunter biden. it is the protect joe biden. if

this lawyer, you will hear from him in a second, the lawyer for gary shapley. he was encouraged in april when he spoke to a career official working for both political parties whoever is in charge of d.o.j. who told him his client shapley would be protected as a whistleblower. he was the first to come forward on the record, hold up the red flag and say the hunter biden investigation was quote slow walked multiple times. mark says a day after he originally talked to u.s. attorney. david weiss, the special counsel met with hunter biden's defense attorney and him at d.o.j. headquarters where i join you now. he said the promises about whistleblower protection suddenly disappeared. >> in just about two short weeks, my interactions with mr. wine chimeer went from the office the deputy attorney general would like to hear about any wrongdoing or allegations of improper conduct to two weeks later go talk to mr. weiss. >> d.o.j. and weiss's office declined to comment. garland will be testifying before congress. the district court in delaware, the judge originally overseein

. >> jessica: admit it know my gary shapley admitted under oath when he testified that he made e requestshe trump doj. >> lawrence: you know what else was admitted to under oath? the prosecution, as well as defense, when the court asked was there any precedent for this deal? they both told the court there was no precedent for this deal. democrats cried when republicans and people that are civil libertarians said this is not fair. this is simply not fair. democrats -- republicans are just making a big deal about this. the court asked them under oath and the prosecution said, we had nothing. that is why the deal was destroyed. so what we can expect as this case to continue to unravel. not because weiss is some ethical man, it is because weiss' deal got blown up before the court but democrats can save themselves here because ths unraveling before the american people. there is one way to do this. either joe biden can resign right now, give kamala harris the presidency, and then they can have gavin newsom run for office, but the idea that this is over now, this is just beginning now. they coul

irs whistle-blower gary shapley that worked on the hunter biden tax probe for several years said republicansnd democrats need to continue pressing and asking questions. listen. >> they need to talk to as many people as they can. that's what we hope they do. devin archer was another step in that process to fully investigate the true links to where this ends up to. >> house republicans are demanding attorney general merrick garland answer questions and give information about the probe. they're asking for an explanation of why the department originally agreed to a plea agreement if other investigations concerning hunter biden are ongoing. they're giving him until august 14 to answer those questions, provide that force. unlikely garland will provide that information because it's an ongoing investigation that is run by the u.s. attorney's office. he's under immense political pressure to appoint a special counsel. he said it's not needed. we'll see if that changing given what happened last week in court. martha. >> martha: a lot of questions about how they reached a plea agreement when the investi

yesterday an attorney for gary shapley. let's listen. >> it is ridiculous on its face. the kind of threats hunter biden's legal team made. last summer he told prosecutors the threat to put joe biden on the stand that charging hunter biden would be a career killer for him and trying what he can to make it be a career killer for our clients as well. >> dana: they want to go after the whistleblowers. >> our ways and means committee is the what let the testimony be made public from the whistleblowers. it made a difference. the judge denied the sweetheart deal that hunter biden received. i think we need to continue to expose what we can. david weiss is not a good choice for special prosecutor considering his associations with the biden family. we're exposing it and getting out in the public and making a difference. that's the important thing. >> bill: amazing twist. biggest issue on staten island. >> crime and migrant situation. we didn't support these policies. we didn't vote for the mayor, governor or president and we shouldn't be subjected to that. >> bill: nice to see yo

in my irs whistleblower gary shapley testified u.s. attorney weiss sought special counsel status but weiss attorney general garland disputed the claims. now that weiss has been granted that independent status, shepley says he feels vindicated. >> this announcement yesterday is absolute under quest vindication for coming for this the crux of the issue we brought forward to house ways and means committee in the house oversight committee. >> democratic congressman barrett providing his perspective on it all earlier, listen. >> i don't think is good for the country to see a former president on trial or the president son on trial. i would hope there's a way to resolve these without putting the country through either one of these cases. >> the critics also argue appointing a sitting u.s. attorney goes against d.o.j. regulations would state the special counsel should come from outside the justice department. eric: a lot of controversy, alexander thank you. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪. aishah: sights and sounds of the iowa state fair. you cannot make it up it's

in may, irs whistleblower gary shapley testified that u.s.ounsel status because he felt limited in his powers to fully investigate hunter biden. weiss and attorney general merrick garland disputed the claims, now here's shapley's attorney. >> to choose that very same person to go ahead and elevate them to special counsel status when he has been claiming to congress all along that he didn't need it is, seems like an odd choice. >> reporter: and, griff, last hour you spoke with democratic congressman ami bera, he provided his thoughts. >> it's good for the country to see a former president on trial or, you know, a president's son on trial. i just would hope that there's a way to resolve these without putting the country through either one of these cases. >> reporter: well, critics also argue that appointing a sitting u.s. attorney goes against doj regulations which state that a special counsel should come from outside the justice department, griff. griff: no shortage of thoughts on this issue, and a lot more to come. alex, thank you very much.

. >> kayleigh: two big names i would love to hear from right now, gary shapley and ziegler.llegations were against david weiss, who has now been given special counsel status, you heard merrick garland say there is that letter of weiss corroborating merrick garland's story saying merrick garland, i never asked him for special counsel status and he's stood by that, stood by merrick garland, testimony is the same. whistleblowers have something else to say and whistleblowers had no motive in coming forward, did so at their own peril and shapley said david weiss lacked authority to charge hunter biden and remember, all of the search warrants pursued that went unanswered that were stymied. they wanted to search a vessel that had hunter biden key pieces of evidence and that was stymied. gary shap ley, joe ziegler, a former democrat, they came forward, what do they think today knowing david weiss, now special counsel status. >> harris: will we get to hear from them again? if this goes on and their hands don't get called, outside of the media, who will call on them to talk and testif

lawyers for gary shapley and joseph ziegler, the whistleblowers, said, quote, it appears that if it weren't the courageous actions of these whistleblowers, hunter biden would never have been charged at all. here is former assistant u.s. attorney andy mccarthy. >> in the hunter biden case, here you have exhibit a of how the scheme worked. you have these big bad justice department prosecutors who aren't supposed to be afraid of anything that got this guy dead to rights on a 10-year gun felony and tax evasion charges and they are afraid to charge him. they don't want to charge joe biden's son. this is exactly what access to joe biden is. this is why people were willing to pay millions of dollars to get it. that's what the scheme was. >> harris: phil holloway is here now, former assistant district attorney. phil, how shocked are you that at one point they wanted to put president biden on the stand? were they seeing what the rest of the country was seeing for a heartbeat and changed their minds? what was happening? >> this shows why influence pedestrian plunge is such a big deal. there is a reas

you've got the irs whistleblower gary shapley among others who are saying great news, this is vindicationhis is a result of house oversight committee work. and all the evidence that put forth you cannot ignore it. then you've got other folks at the top are couples including speaker kevin mccarthy who say this is bad news. this is a guy we cannot trust he was part of the sweetheart deal. how do you see it? >> it was a surprising pic and i will tell you why. number one the code of federal regulations provide special counsel and i am quoting shall be selected from outside the government. i am not editorializing it's right in the code some scratching my code say why would they pick someone who's in the government? even if you're going to violate the code of federal regulations you be much better advised to get somebody new, fresh set of eyes on the case. someone who has not been doing the case for a long time, was not involved in the plea deal that fell apart. so most of us who are in this business day today -- week to week are saying it seems to be a very odd choice. on the merits i do not p

gary shapley, that whistle blow.hill some of the costs of, i guess, putting that trust in david weiss. >> the statute of limitations have been extended through an agreement with hunter biden's defense counsel, and they were willing to extend past november 2022. weiss allowed those to expire. i don't claim to be privy to communications, but united states attorney weiss told us he was not the deciding person, that he had requested and was denied special authority after d.c. declined charges and that if california dekleins, he will have to -- declines, he will have to request special authority again. whether the full responsibility elis with weiss or garland is for, ultimately, the public to decide. rachel: yeah. i mean, he's right. and i guess in the eni just want to tie this whole topic up to go this is more than just about corruption and the biden family getting rich. vivek ramaswamy request yesterday when he was in iowa at the political call events there said i believe that it is deeply linked to the policy decision

whistleblower gary shapley testified in may that david weiss wanted potential counsel status becausee felt limited in his powers to fully investigate and charge hunter biden. weiss then denied that to be true. here's one of shapley's attorneys. >> to use that very same person to go ahead and elevate them to special counsel status when he has been claiming to congress all along that he didn't need it seems like an odd choice. >> reporter: critics also argue appointing a sitting u.s. attorney goes against doj regulations which state that a special counsel should come from the outside the justice department. charles? charles: thank you very much. so what is the impact of the special counsel appointment on hunter biden in this probe? former acting u.s. attorney general matthew whitaker joins me now. the initial reaction was, okay, this was all done to sort of create, delay this -- to run the clock out, to postpone think sort of real sort of -- any sort of real sort of conclusion until after the election. we already, you heard some of these sound bites coming into it. what are your though

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lobbying and pressuring the justice department to crack down on irs whistleblowers joseph ziegler and gary shapleyot-dragging going on on this case. >> right. and that's actually been going on for some time. what we've learned though recently is that that's not all biden's attorneys have been doing. they were saying to weiss, you know, you don't want the president to testify. they were contacting doj headquarters to try to get somebody to intervene. and before that sweetheart deal that they gave him they had an even sweeter one that a came after someone from doj headquarters sat down with weiss and hunter biden's attorneys. we are long past talk, and this investigation, the impeachment inquiry, has to start. elizabeth: you're talking about the sweetheart deal where they would have droped all of the charged until the i -- irs whistleblowers. we'll have you back on again soon. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> thank you. elizabeth: we've got this scary new report from "the new york times", a record number of near collisions of u.s. airplanes at u.s. airports, way more than realized.

i mean, we have irs whistle blower gary shapley now says the fbi intimidated a retired fbi supervisory agent into not testifying about what he knows about an alleged cover-up in the criminal investigation of hunter biden. listen to this. >> well, i think there's lots of people with information that that can shine light on this, and houses ways and means committee has requested those names. we provided those names. hay need to talk to all these people. they can't just allow doj to not give access to people. i mean, for example, the fbi ssa that testified for house ways and means committee, he was given a letter the sunday before from doj basically telling him not to talk. and, you know, i know that he could have confirmed additional material facts on this investigation. elizabeth: congresswoman with, your final word. >> we need to investigate. i'm so glad that we actually have a republican majority in congress that is able to go through that. i'm so thankful that we've got people like chairman comer and chairman jordan that are asking the right questions and jason smith who's' opened up

what prompted them to forward this meeting, october 7th, 2020, to you gote s david weiss, you got gary shapley,tl 4 the whistleblower, and four other people in that meeting. we wan 4 t to talk to those four other people because that's the meeting that gary sat was the reds line meeting. when i decided there was no way inis investigation was going to do the right thing, we had to come forward and talk to jason smith. chairman smith jason team at tht the ways and means committee. >> and then they came forwar d.e and their testimony, unlike the white house's story, unlik' the doj, their testimony has stood up and they've appeared entirely credible throughout this ordeal. >> jason smith, these whistleblowers spoke to your committee, the house ways and means committe your committ what's your reaction to hunter's lawyers demanding that the dojhuemanding prosecute whistleblowers, especially after listening to joes biden whistleblowers? but that was the hearsay whistleblower that was against ay donald trump. one thing about it, sean, when these irs whistleblowers came before the house ways and means c

meanwhilon bidene according to s whistleblower gary shapley, us attornehapley'sy, he met wite deputy attorney general in merrick garland's dojmerric,y who immediately met with hunter's lawyers, and david weis s, the guy that wasted five years investigating hunter biden with everyon of intention of clearing him out. right. this is only days before the hunter sweetheart deal was struck, the one that was struck out of court anyway. now, david weiss has been appointe d special counsell in in the hunter biden probe, meaning that he and merric theha garland will likely get a free f pass. and by the way, jim jordan by is now seeking answers on aon a special counsel attorney meeting with the white house counsel and the fbi. only weeks before president trump was indicted. in what world does any of this appropriate? how is that an independent hoe. tment of justic why are the national archives and the doj repeatedly denying republican lawmakers requests for information? job oversight is part of their job and their duty. whty.y did the special counsel attorney meet with the white house counsel?

that's joseph ziegler and gary shapley, because, of course, they were the ones who blew the whistls josephshaplee on thy corrupt investigation that wents on for five long years underti david weiss, the statute of limitations. he allowed to run out on the most serious charges, which would have led straight to joe biden and that ukraine burisma scam. ukrain so, look, it just shows to me that they are really scared. i think the white house is nervous. the bidens are nervous and things are falling apart and coming out of their contro l . so this is sort of their way- after james colmerapart said tht he was going to be subpoenaed and every member of the biden family whoset received money from these deals up to a dozen ,i think this is just a way of trying to close ranks and protect them. yeah, the day after, comer says he's going to subpoena jimmy biden and his bank jesse: records, they appoint a special counsel. miranda, this is so big because this is not just one u.s. attorney in delaware. they have now involved the entire department of justice, the fbi, the cia, the white house, almos t you know, t

others, including my colleague, supervisor gary shapley, here with me today, have their own he isn't understandings of what took place during this investigation. i have been an agent with the irs since 2010. in 2007 i received my undergraduate receipt degree from ohio university. why mba from john carroll university. upon starting my career at the irs, i worked at urged in young as an extra auditor. throughout my career with the irs, i have worked a variety of successful criminal tax and money laundering investigations. in 2018, i transitioned into being a part of the international tax of financial crimes group out of the washington d.c. crime office. i was a lead iris kates agent on the hunter biden investigation. i recently discovered that people are saying i must be more credible because i'm a democrat who happens to be married in a man. i am no more credible than this man sitting next to me due to my sexual orientation or my political beliefs. the truth is, my credibility comes today from my job the variance with the iris. and my intimate knowledge with the agency standards of an