now, we go to may 22nd 2013, lois learner says she did nothing wrong. pleads the fifth. that was her first appearance before the house oversight reform committee. then september 24th, learner resigns after an internal review board determined that she should be removed from the agency for neglect of duties. march 5th lois learner is requested to testify before the committee, second time in a year and like the first time, she invokes the fifth. if you remember, this is very key. this is unfolding, democrats keep going out with one talking point. while liberals were targeted, too. we learned this week that that in fact was false. let's go to the videotape and look at liberals saying we were targeted, too. that's proven to be false, lots of video. >> one, the screening list used by the irs included the term progressives. two, progressive groups were among the 298 applications that titga reviewed in their audio it and received heightened scrutiny. >> the staff was looking for signals for organizations whether they were liberal or whether they were conservative. >> i also want

did you interview lois learner? >> i said this is an ongoing matter and i'm not going to comment on an ongoing matter. >> so what -- her attorney has reported that you did. you won't confirm that that in fact took place? >> i'm not going to talk about an ongoing investigation. >> in fact, the wall street journal reported earlier this month that lois learner's attorney said she did give an interview with justice department interviewers within the last six months and she was not given a grant of immunity. it raises the question whether she waived her fifth amendment rights yet again. >> we will talk about that with a panel. thank you. also, fireworks between attorney general eric holder and lieui - lieui -- -- i've read you what you provided and it is inadequate. i realize it is not a big deal to the attorney general. it's important that we have oversight. >> you don't want to go there. >> i don't want to go there. >> no. >> about the contempt. >> you should not assume that it is not a big deal to me. i think it was i

and lois learner hasn't targeted that. but that money could go pay for obamacare, yet we go after the tea party. >> if you believe that he was being threatened by the genovese family, now, if al went to the fbi and said i'm being threatened wi these guys, first the obvious question is what were you doing there? were you trying to buy drugs? well, they had a tape of this thing, but he did in the end, because of what he did, according to the fbi anyway, bring down some pretty significant mobsters, but you got to give him that much. >> i'm not sure that's the right trail of events. the way i understand it, this fbi sting that went down, we played a piece of videotape. al claims there's another piece of tape that sconer rates him. al started to work with the fbi and with the feds and brought down some of these big crime families wire tapping his briefcase. >> what was he doing at with that informant at that point? was he buying for music industry or -- >> it was an undercover cop. >> i knew that. >> he knew exactly when to jus

i do want to read the response from lois learner's attorney to the pursuit of criminal charges against her. the attorney writes the timing of today's vote is odd. we have not heard from the house ways and means committee, nor has the committee previously issued a report of its findings. this is just another attempt by republicans to vilify miss learner for political gain. talk about that, dana. it does seem like they have zeroed on lois learner, she is going to be the face of their irs witch hunt and not the white house. >> right. so this was a classic case the ways and means hearing which i was at this morning, first of all, they are saying explicitly they think the person responsible for this wrong doing was lois learner, not part of a culture of corruption in the white house but, in fact, a career employee at the irs. so leaving aside that means basically the entire investigation fizzled in its attempt to find a skull dugry within the white house, well, so chairman camp of the ways and means had information he would like to deliver to eric holder. he could have called attorney gener

. >> new documents in a series o e-mails have surfaced showing that lois learner had discussions with the department of justice about targeting -- it's clear there is a conflict of interest involving the doj now and it's time for a special prosecutor to investigate this matter. he joins us now live. congressman, thank you for your time today. >> happy easter, shannon. >> thank you so much. and to you as well. a lot of new information coming out this week, but we see a series of e-mails that show conversations that appear to be between the doj, between lois learner and the federal election commission as well. those had not been available to the staff before they were made a freedom of information act request. why were not those provided to you or why had you not seen those before? >> we h those before, it has been a constant effort to try to get those, m l maimai mails. it really raises questions because you have liberal interest groups coming one this theory, hey, let's criminally prosecute these people. then you have a liberal democratic senator actually race it at a senate hearing a

they came up with lois learner.hey had absolutely nothing after two years of investigating this. >> that's not true. >> they are dry well and you think she's -- if she's going to go to prison, she's not going to tell somebody -- i think she did it on her own. >> how do you know? how do you know? >> how close does it get to the attorney general and president? that's fear amongering. >> what's in it for her to do it? more likely that's policies behind it. let's single out the tea party, the right, because they are not promoting what we believe in. that light likely sounds more political. >> you just said it. we want to see how close this gets to the attorney general and poets. that is -- president of the united states. that is smut mungering? >> what is that? >> smungering. earlier today, the inspector general of the irs released a report that says there was hatch act violations that were wearing obama buttons and leaning on people. the irs is the most potent form of intimidation. >> basically, this is operating in a

lois learner or others at the irs? >> we'll have to wait until wednesday to see. >> really? our information not just ms. learner? >> we'll wait and see. >> leaving the door open, interesting. if they hold her in contempt and that's supposed to happen i think thursday. >> thursday. >> she doesn't get held in contempt unless the full house supports that. is that going to happen? >> i think after the easter district work period, they will take up that contempt resolution. i made clear lois learner was going to tell us the truth or we were going to hold her in contempt. if she's not going to tell us the truth, we'll hold her in contempt. the house will vote. >> do you think it will be more than lois learner there? john could face contempt because he suggested the documents won't be produced for years. >> for years. i think it's premature but we know ms. learner gave up her right to plead the fifth, she refused to testify and she testified and spoke with the prosecutors of the justice department. i don't know why she wouldn't talk to the congress and american people. >> she said i

>> i think there's one key maul that came out and that was an email to lois learner, one from lois learnerlked with but i think the chief counsel of the irs and deputy chief counsel on an email to lois learner about this with corpscoreupon dense going back d fort. i think that points to a much higher link, if you will, as far as who is in authority and control. the question was let's withs learner implementing a plan or create the plan herself? i don't think we have the anticipation to that. the maul indicates there were individuals in thief counsel's office involved to be brought before the committee. i will notice them up for depositions in our civil ct cond in that way as well. >> thank you, we'll see what happens. we'll see what the next step is on that. thank you. >>> so here is a new reason not to text while walking. a study finding doing so leads to more injuries than distracted driving. what are the dangers -- hello? >> excuse me. i was testing hear. did you know that using your cell phone while walking is more likely to lead to injuries than cell phone use while driving? so says d

scandal. >> there's reason to believe that lois learner committed crime. >> what they're doing with this herring is politicizing this issue. >> we'll talk with two members of the house ways and means committee which voted to send lernor's case to the justice department. plus our sunday panel discusses whether the irs scandal stops with lerner and our power player of the week, a historic washington treasure that serves as a haven for achievers in the arts and sciences. >> they're meant for everyone to enjoy. >> all right now on fox news sunday. >> and hello again from fox news in washington. kathleen sebelius stepped down as secretary of health and human services. but with confirmation hearings ahead for her replacement, the battle over obamacare is entering a new phase. we've invited members of one of the senate committees that will hold the hearings to discuss what happens now. from south carolina, republican tim scott and from rhode island, democrat sheldon whitehouse. senator scott, after the disastrous rollout of obamacare did kathleen sebelius have to go? how do you explain the

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they won't go after lois learner.ng this morning. >> and democrats pushing wage rage over equal pay. but some lawmakers up for re-election don't practice what they preach. we'll explain that. and live from washington. >> thanks for that introduction. that was not on the prompter. john hancock didn't sign the constitution, but the folks at

. >> by a vote, they have referred this to eric holder about lois learner's role in tarring targeting groups. >> mr. chairman, i have a right for point of order. >> just chill out, what is the gentleman -- >> you follow procedure, sir. >> what is the gentleman's point of order? >> i'm very chilled out. lawmakers say learner's action may have violated one or more criminal statutes. that includes using her position to improperly influence irs scrutiny showing extreme bias and prejudice toward conservative kbrups, about the liberals organizing for america, oh, maybe i can get the d.c. office job. the committee found that lerne rext impeded official investigations. learner risked exposing and may have disclosed confidential taxpayer information. >> it really involves a potential violation of constitutional rights of hard working taxpayers and i think it's very important that this be pursued seriously. >> this criminal referral is an unusual step. the first time since former major league pitcher roger clem men's was accused of lying to congress about performance enhancing drugs in 2008. de

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and yet, all of these people, lois learner, all of them have civil service protection and the only differenceat happened in watergate when richard nixon asked the irs to go after his political enemies is when richard nixon asked, they refused. when these democratic politicians said go do something about these conservative groups because they are challenging us and don't like what they are saying, the irs took it upon themselves to do their bidding and silence these groups. in this case, elijah cummings said to the irs that he was under taking an investigation of true the vote. now there is nothing proper about that. >> he denies doing anything inappropriate and says his communications were appropriate but hasn't elaborated and won't come give us a full statement, which we would be happy to hear him out. it was curious because he was one of the first to go out there and i'll play the sound byte quickly and declare this thing over long before it really was. >> right. >> based upon everything i've seen, the case is solved. if it were me, i would wrap this case up and move on. >> i got to go. we'

house republicans are planning to vote in committee next week on whether to hold lois learner, the formerngress. learner has refused for the testifying of conservative and tea party groups and looking like she will face i contempt of congress charge. this goes back a few years. they ran the tax exempt organization division and as many conservative groups were delayed in the application and later we found out that. i are, s was looking for terms like tea party and pulling them out of the line and by delaying the request. they are trying to see if there is a link between the i are, s and anyone else in the administration. was there a targeting from the white house and there has been no proof that such a targeting existed, but lois learner has not testified and now darrell issa is pushing her to say she will face contempt of congress if she decides had to no the to. >> doesn't she have the right to remain silent and her lawyers think it could be incriminating? that's a constitutional right, right? >> that's onest thi of the thint makes it more fascinating. here's the thing. before she invoke

while it pains me to do it because we know that lois learner was come police sit in some of these clearly illegal actions we know he's a mid level bureaucrat and these orders weren't coming from her most likely and we have to see if there's a link between the white house and the irs. >> so if it worked to break the jam in watergate, won't it work here? >> one of the key things with nixon was the tapes that he had that the supreme court ruled he had to give up. what's most likely to happen is what bill layed out in the post in friday's newspaper where he said that the subcommittee which has found her in contempt, will then cut a deal, they'll cut a deal with lernor's attorney before congress comes back from its easter break and they'll have a meeting in private and she will give some testimony in private, not in the public like this and i think that is what they're going to settle on. >> okay. but, again, it's the witness in front of congress who is granted immunity. we saw bruce in watergate, that that is really what broke the jam. what broke the stone walling from the nixon administratio

targeting gained steam this week with one house committee voting to refer former treasury official, lois learner, to the justice department for possible criminal prosecution. another voting to hold her in contempt. new evidence emerged, suggesting lerner used her position to single out conservative groups for scrutiny and personally pushed to deny tax exempt status to at least one of those groups, crossroads gps. for more, i'm joined by "wall street journal" columnist dan hen inger. assistant editorer, james freeman and kim strassel. kim, to you first, if i may. you have, i think, a case study of what exactly lois lerner did. >> yeah, that's why what happened this week really mattered, especially out of the ways and means committee, stewart. we finally have an idea of the methods that lois lerner used to go after some of these groups. we know in the case of crossroads, she focused in on them. she exerted pressure on a group to audit them. it appears she exerted pressure on yet another unit to deny them tax exempt status. and it would seem she also inserted herself, which is a big no-no in the ap

>> earlier today, the house ways and means committee took the unprecedented step to referring lois learnerice department for criminal probation. holder is likely to dismiss it. she could face up to 11 years if convicted on the commission lying -- on lying to the commission.

subpoena it, and then had the irs commissioner testify in front of the committee that getting lois learner's i'ms and some things we asked to are would take a couple years. that's clearly unacceptable. so, some of those things are just decisions of the committee leadership. some of those things are a reflection of the fact the administration has not been willing to give us the information we wanted in a timely fashion. >> you mentioned the committee leadership. do you know whether the committee or the leadership was trying to work out a deal with ms. lerner and it fell through? >> i think they expected her to actually testify, and there was a change of heart amongst miss lerner's attorney and her, and i don't really know the details of that. i think the was an attempt to try to -- ultimately we want to get the facts for the more than people. and then we do want to hold people conditionable who committed wrong-doing. >> congressman, thank you very much. >> an irs investigation that seem to be going nowhere. still have lots of questions about the benghazi question. that's also going nowhere. t

now they're going to go after lois learner from the irs. but you have to ask, why is he being singled out and it's a fair question. >> but even before we get to lerner, which is another point i would argue against them, let me go gook you on this one, karen, let's not forget the attacks on reno, yes. the attacks on ashcroft, yes. but it's unprecedented on this attorney general. in american history, congress has never cited, never cited a sitting attorney general for contempt until eric holder, which dana just said. not one time. >> and the thing is actually, rev, if you go back and watch one of the exchanges, there's another one with gohmert, one with issa. you know, talk about you lie to the president. i mean, the level of disdain and disrespect to their faces, very publicly, that is not something we saw with janet reno, that's not something i would argue we saw with alberto gonzalez. certainly there have been -- there's been a tension, and i think that's a fair comment, but the level of just how personal these things have become, i think

republican darrell issa just earlier this month voted top irs official, former top list official lois learnerf congress. it has still yet to go to the house floor. >> because she refuses to testify. >> so the question that's still out there about the irs generally is, is this ban nallty? were they targeting these tax exempt groups and challenging their tax exempt status, these groups who did political work, or were they just stupid and only targeting republicans? democrats say both sides were targeted. so, you know, the question here is it's a balance between stupidity and banality and neither one is a good answer. >> gloria, thanks. >>> let's take a quick look at the markets. right now, see the dow jones industrial, down a little bit, down six points or so. investors have been cautious about lackluster new housing numbers and mixed earnings reports. >>> frantic parents searching for their daughters. now more than 200 schoolgirls taken hostage as their school is burned to the ground. we're going live to nigeria for a special report. >>> also, the u.s. sending troops to poland and the baltics

>> earlier today, the house ways and means committee took the unprecedented step to referring lois learnerikely to dismiss it. she could face up to 11 years if convicted on the commission lying -- on lying to the commission. >>

committee asked the justice department to pursue criminal charges against former irs official lois learnerve groups that wanted tax exempt status during 2012 election cycle and of singling out crossroads gps, which was founded in part by former bush political aide, karl rove. the committee noted that learner talked about getting a job organizationing for action, nonprofit spin-off of president obama's campaign. she wrote in an the e-mailing quote, maybe i can get the d.c. office job. the attorney calls the latest move another attempt by republicans to smear her for political game. >>> the prime minister described the search for flight 370 the most difficult in human history. the search area that once spanned two hemisphered has been refined, it's a monumental, multinational effort, including cutting-edge equipment that has to be paid for somehow. joe johns live with a look at the tally so far, and where this cash is coming from. joe? >> reporter: jake, it is likely, likely, to be the most expensive search of its kind in aviation history and it's -- the end is nowhere in sight. as much as $

in this particular instance, that witness is lois learner, the object of chairman issa's year-long multimillion dollar crusade to find something, anything, iffy at the irs. republicans who have chosen to march lock step with issa on his dark mission claim that lernor violated the law after she made opening remarks last year. the full house is expected to take up the contempt resolution in the coming weeks. in taking this step, chairman issa walks in a path of giants. giant whose were later deemed to be unhinged crusading lunatics. as a point of fact, no witness has been held in contempt of congress since the red scare of the 1950s and 1960s. and no witness who has testified in person has ever been convicted of contempt charges in court. in fact, a report outlining the history of contempt charges determined that issa's tactics bear a striking resemblance to those used by senator mccarthy, the same joe mccarthy whose anti-come mist paranoia led to the censure by the senate, the same mccarthy viewed as a stain on our nation's history. not lost on congressman cummings who, today at least, was allow

in this particular instance, that witness is lois learner, the object of chairman issa's year-long multimillion irs. republicans who have chosen to march lock step with issa on his dark mission claim that lernor violated the law after she made opening remarks last year. the full house is expected to take up the contempt resolution in the coming weeks. in taking this step, chairman issa walks in a path of giants. giant whose were later deemed to be unhinged crusading lunatics. as a point of fact, no witness has been held in

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jenna: we told you earlier about lois learner's push to avoid contempt of congress charges. lawyer is speaking out and he says he wants to address lawmakers to tell them why it would be wrong to charge his client after she invoked her constitutional right not to testify before a house committee. he said, quote, holding her in contempt would not only be unfair and indeed un-american, it would be flatly inconsistent with the fifth amendment as interpreted by the supreme court. oklahoma congressman is on the house oversight and government reform committee. your reaction to those comments. un-american? >> a little surprising to hear it's un-american when you're dealing with someone trying to silence the speech of other americans and that everything we have targets back to her. she goes and does testimony to the department of justice, plants a question in a public meeting so someone asks me about this so i can get it out and then comes before our committee, makes a long statement about her innocence and then is silent. all the time she's trying to be able to silence other people

formally says ask the justice department to pursue criminal charges against former irs employee lois learnerarate from plans from house oversight committee chairman darrell issa to hold a contempt vote against the former head of the tax exempt organization division head on thursday. now, it's been a while, so here's a refresh other why we're here. still talking about lois lernor. the kind of organization that is get to be exempt from taxes. they include labor unions, business leads, chambers of commerce, fraternal organizations and clubs, also the nfl, but that's a whole different segment. in u.s. code 501 section c paragraph 4, the exempt can include civic leagues or organizations not organized for profit, but operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare. whose net earnings are devoted exclusive i feel to charitable, educational, or recreational purposes. how that designation short-handed as 501 c went from meaning exclusively for the promotion of social welfare to organizations that primarily engage in social welfare without congress ever rewriting the law is at the heart of th

. >> the house oversight committee voted to hold former lois learner in contempt of congress. on our next wol we'll get an up-- "washington journal" we'll get an update. then the center for american lo progress on white house efforts to combat gender pay nequality. rights act. civil >> i think what we need is something akin to the grease commission or the brack commission the base realignment and closing commission during the clinton administration. an outside group with integrity, no current elected politicians to come in and do a complete audit of government from top to bottom. every agency has a piece of legislation or a charter that created it. it has the purpose. if it is not fulfilling that purpose or not doing it within reasonable budget it should be cut or eliminated. let's just take head start. this came in with the highest motivation. did you know -- and i didn't until i researched it -- there's three head starts. there's early head start, enhanced head start and regular. why? because the first wasn't working. why do we have the third? because the second wasn't worki

in the limited number of mails we got from lois learner she said we'll do a c-4 project.we need to be cautious so it isn't a per se political project" which means what? it was a political project. and guess what? she got caught. and when she got caught we called her in front of this committee. she sat at that table and the only thing she said -- if we can put that in the screen. she said the only testimony from lois lerner was that testimony right there. we know it's false. the ways an means committee knows it's false. everyone knows it's false. and so now here we are. the only remedy we have to go get the truth is to use every tool at our disposal to try to get lois lerner to testify and answer the question. that's the only remedy we have. and the only route remember this, the only route to the truth is through the house of representatives. that's what madison was talking about. we know this. the investigation of the justice department is a complete joke. the f.b.i. on january 13th of this year, the f.b.i. weeks to "the wall street journal," no one's going to be refered

we don't know what lois learner was doing at this point. we don't. find out eventually. but conservative groups were targeted. and i don't put it past them to have targeted conservative people. >> if you're republican, 8 and 10. >> ben white is here, cnbc contributor a contributor. what do you think of the piece? >> we will see improper targeting of republican conservative groups here. i think that's been suggested. they went over the top. >> i helped him with his overall personal -- and we have become. i mean, we talk about this very. >> don't disclose our personal e-mails. >> i won't. >> two things about the irs piece. >> and we agree on a lot. >> one is, joe, since you're in that 10 million and above group, they will audit your magazine subscriptions. you want to be careful about that. you should support the increase in the irs budget. you probably wouldn't support it generally. for every dollar you increase the irs budget, you can find 6 more dollars in uncollected taxes. >> they just cut it. >> it makes no sense. >> i think republicans are on to

on the learner matter that's currently before congress, lois lerner? >> oh i'm sorry the lowest learner matter? the legislation is not related. the issue in the learner matter goes to this question of how the irs went about trying to make determinations about whether the primary purpose of these 501(c)4 organizations were social welfare or their primary purpose was political. as i indicated after citizens united you had a flood of new applications for 501(c)4's a 90% increase so here's the irs. it's supposed to make this determination under the regulations the determination that was never established by statute. if you are the irs folks wherever you are in the country and you are getting these applications how are you supposed to go about making that determination? you have asked the 501(c)4 ford's documents for what it does and then you have to first determine whether it's political activity or social welfare and then under the misguided and frankly under the regulation ever supported by the statute you have to german whether that's 51% or 49%. what th

the evidence we have uncovered that we believe there is reason to believe the lowest learner -- that loiserner committed crimes. the key one is denying people their constitutional rights it is very important for the public to know this in the committee to vote this of the information will become public. behind theto hide american people not knowing would end. now we need to see whether he .ill hold theas a violation of potential release of confidential taxpayer information and really denying people the ability to express the constitutional rights. these are all things that we felt needed to be looked at. looking for work we are the only country in the world that have the pieces that expire. we call those extended. we are looking forward a year. one of the things we're looking for is how we can take these extender packets. we continued telemarketing committee to see which ones make permanent. it is really that uncertainty for people who are trying to plan on whether to build a plant or hire more people or even buy that piece of equipment. it makes a huge difference. i want to thank you for

we also have information on the lowest learner affair -- lois lerner affair. with that, i will turn it over to over norquist. >> thank you. we have a number of congressional house and senate leaders who will be here speaking today about taxes. i would just point out that we hold an event like this every april 15. do not worry if you have not put your taxes and just yet. we are doing this ahead of time because members will be back in their districts and states. this year, 2014, is a little bit different than other tax years. we are in the middle of a discussion of extenders and in the middle of a conversation about the fundamental tax reform that we all know is coming but what you're exactly it is going to kick off is unsure, but the shape is beginning to get formed, and lastly, every april 15 when we do these events, we know that the american people have a certain amount of fear powerthe irs and the irs' . as we know from the last several days, this is the first time where the people that run the irs are beginning to have a little bit of fear about the anger o

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lois lerner to testify. key law maker ares involved in the organization said the evidence against learner is overwhelming in the targeting of the conservative group scandal. learner made 17 factual assertion claiming her innocence and taking the fifth and refusing to answer questions from law makers. a former federal prosecutor said she cannot say innocence and then refuse to testify. >> that's the not the way our system works. you have to answer the other side's questions. i think the questions are fair. the tea party is dangerous? dangerous to whom? whom, miss learner? who thinks they are dangerous? you? >> democrats are critical of the committee. if law makers wanted her to testify all they had to do is offer immunity. >> there is no connection to the white house. we are trying to hold in contempt a midlevel bureaucrat and the actions of the committee will not hold up to judicial executiny. if it was real and not fantasy, lois lerner would have been offered immunity on day one. only way to get the case is grant immountainity. >> and house republicans are not letting this go. and they don't believe that e

official lois lerner in contempt of congress for refusing to answer questions about why the tax agency appears to have singled out conservative groups for extra scrutiny. r republicans contend learnered the right to plead the 5th. democrats insist learner asserted her 5th amendment rights correctly legally and say if republicans really wanted to hear from learner they would have gone about this in a different way. >> if this if tvz real they would have been offered unity on day one. >> i am not going to support immunity so mrs. learner can mislead this committee. if she really did nothing wrong and wants to tell the full truth, she doesn't need immunity. >> they are holding learner in contempt of congress goes to the full republican controlled house and may end up in the court system. her lawyers said she committed no crime. >> molly henneberg live for us this moiveng. thank you, molly. >>> accused of kidnapping and murdering a dea agent. they signed an order 8 days after columbia fought extradition. the murder of james watson. he was robbed and stabbed several times after he left a restaura restaurant>> more than 100 passengers suffering from the highly contagious norovirus tourin

lois lo loinor be in actual trouble? with the attorney general putting an obama, krit irks worry there may never be any charges filed against her or anyone else. it is investigating the allegations. learner has invoked her constitutional right against self-incrimination although she did initially claim innocence. republicans harshly criticized. >> she testified that i have done nothing wrong, broken no rules or regulations. that's her testimony. what i'm saying is we should have the right to cross examine her on that testimony. i would like to ask her when you said we need a plan, who is we? and what plan are you referring to? when she said we need to be careful that it's not perceived at police ca as political, who are we and what are you concerned about the perception of politics for? >> the committee was truly interested in examining allegations of undue influence from outside of the irn irs, there would be an offer on the table for immunity so that we could ask her what, if anything, she was instructed to do by others. >> the contempt of congress finding can now go to a full house of course this all comes two days before the april 15 tax day. that is something that her critics do not

lois lerner. she is still refusing to answer questions about the conservative group. they say she waived her 5th amendment rights. they will consider its options. the chairman of the committee says learner'sce has left the committee with no other choice. >> listen to this, is obamacare's employer mandate on the way out? rumors are swirling it may never be enforced this as republicans reject obamacare's 30 hour workweek. >> there is a lot of confusion about this. it has been delayed a couple of times. the latest confusion is because of robert gibbs who according to a healthcare web site says this i diepg the employer mandate will go into effect. it is a small part of the law. i think it will be one of the first things to go. that's what the current press secretary as an hawk ward position. he said the employer mandate will happen. >> the final rule put out it will be phased in starting next year. >> the u.s. house meantime voted to change the definition of full-time work under obamacare for 30 hours to 40-hours. there has been a concern they logical cut hours of their workers so they don't have to provide health insurance. this would change that. one interesting side note a number of democ