world know the state of nasa. nats 21:51:42 the state of our nasa is as strong as its ever been 21:51:46 that is the message from nasa administrator and astronaut charles bolden. hundreds of nasa langley employees packed the research hanger to hear the annual state of nasa address. it's the first time its center. sot - charles bolden, nasa administrator - clip 59 22:02:57 it is what we consider to be the center from which all of nasa came. 22:03:02 bolden's nearly 30 minute speech came after president obama's budget release. in it nasa is slated to get 19-billion dollars next year. if approved by congress bolden says the money would mean three things- international unity is a part... sot - charles bolden, nasa administrator - clip 59 22:07:48 stability is one thing. constancy of purpose is perhaps the biggest thing. including the plan to send humans to mars. sot - charles bolden, nasa administrator - clip people need to understand the amount of work that's going into making their lives better every single day. 22:

the state of nasa. that was the topic of a special address delivered for the first time today in hampton roads. side's brandi cummings was the only local t-v reporter there. meteorologist deitra tate is working on your forecast live in the super doppler 10 weather center. also straight ahead --- you'll find out what chief meteorologist don slater meteorologist deitra tate tonight: light evening rain showers. small light snow chance after midnight. lows in the lower 30s. wind: wsw 5-10mph. wednesday: light snow possible before 8am. otherwise, mainly cloudy. highs in the lower 40s. wind: wsw 5-15mph. thursday: mainly sunny and cold. highs in the mid 30s. breezy... wind: wnw 15-20mph. an unsettled weather patter continues for our area due to an upper level disturbance. therefore, on and off showers will be possible now thru tomorrow. evening rain showers tonight. then after midnight, light mainly for areas north of little if any accumulations expected. then, as the upper disturbance moves away...it turns c

right now nasa climate scientists strongest el nino's ever recorded... right now nasa climate scientists are keeping an eye on el nino from space -- they're also trying to figure out what happens next. scientists.. but what effect could it have on our weather here in colorado? for some answers. 9news reporter maya rodriguez turned to nasa climate scientists... they're keeping an eye on it all from space. more spring snow? a dry summer? they are all potential scenarios climate scientists say el nino could bring. "the thing to remember is that el nino is not over." the el nino phenomenon is a warming of the pacific waters . which can have an effect on weather patterns. nasa climate scientists have been tracking it through a series of satellite missions since the 1990s. "nasa studies these phenomena from space and we have this really amazing satellite called the jason missions, which tell us how tall the ocean is. and a lot of the signal, in terms of the el nino, is really captured by watching heat move around in the ocean and that's what these satellites m

amanda, what's in store for nasa's plans? in just four years, nasa hopes to send a spacecraft for a unmanned mission to the red planet, which would be a crucial step toward nasa's goal of someday sending humans to mars. at the jet propulsion laboratory, this piece of metal will be a sophisticated landing system for mars 2020. this animation shows how it will slow down the spacecraft. and gently drop an suv-sized rover pov curiosity mars descent: "we are decelerating" nasa used the same technique in 2012 to land the "curiosity" rover. steven lee: 09:07:33;09 curiosity is the first rover to really confirm that mars was a habitable place. this is a replica of the curiosity project at the mars yard. "curiosity really is the parent of mars 2020." the next generation rover will be loaded with a lot more technology. like higher-resolution cameras and an advanced robotic arm and drill-which will help search for signs of martian life jeff srinivasan: 05:13:29;25 we're actually gonna drill cores and make small samples of martian rock t

we are talking nasa. let's head to the johnson space center in houston where the help wanted sign is out. as mary thompson tells us getting picked might be the easy part. >> just as you said, nasa is accepting online applications for the 2016 astronaut candidate pool. it is expecting ing ing receive, nasa will get 8 to 14 candidates. they need three years' professional experience in degrees in science, math and engineering. once they are accepted they go to a two-year training program to hone their physical, mechanical and intellectual skills. i asked nasa to put me through the paces. >> life in space is gruelling. a mandatory two-hour workout. >> i'm supposed to run with this? >> astronaut candidates jog -- or in my case walk -- as they will in space, tethered to bungee cords to keep them in place. weighing bone density in space. along with the physical they learn the mechanical. >> got it. >> simulators like this one train them to capture incoming car go ships for the internationale space station. >> wh

his state of nasa address, the state agency's top dog stepped into this airliner.is continued by 50%. >> the administrator stood beside mike honda. about $790 million will go to research, what they're doing here. >> increased funding will allow us to partner to build a series of experimental aircraft or x planes. >> researchers showed designs for electric jet engines and modelled testing for planes that could break the sound barrier quietly. >> we measured the sonic boom sound signature on the wall. >> this research he says taxpayers can feel the payoff. >> the future where people can travel to most cities in the world and six hours or less. in an airplane that can fly faster than the speed of sound over land on bio fuels. >> the research can apply to space. >> i'm sure you recognize this. >> the shuttle was tested here, now, vehicles could take humans to mars but by the time that happens, the number of people using commercial air travel will have doubled. he says that means greener airplanes will be a necessity. >> investments are investments in childrens' tomorro

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i told donna years earlier, nasa required her and the kids to watch the launch from the roof of the nasa control center. nasa wanted to isolate the families from the press in the case of disaster. that evening on the ride back from a party, donna turned to me and said, this is a strange business when you have to preselect an escort into widowhood. she was enduring a lot for my dream, and all the wives did for their spouses. i had this dream of becoming an astronaut come true on august 30, 1984, on the first launch of the orbiter discovery. i thought it would share with you the thrill of what it's like when that moment occurs. when that moment occurs, there are technical requirements. when you pass 50 miles altitude, you are an astronaut. that spaceshipone you heard about in the news, that was one of their objectives, to be able to get up to those altitudes. we were approaching 50 miles, the magic line that would officially make a fast drop. i always thought this multitude requirement was being counter bf. in reality, if you did not make it to 50 miles on the shuttle, that probably meant

we are talking nasa.'s head to the johnson space center in houston, that's where help wanted sign is out and as mary thompson tells us, getting picked may be the easy part. >> hey there, becky. nasa is right now accepting online applications for its 2016 astronaut candidate pool. of the thousands of applications it's expecting to vooreceive, n will choose 8 to 14 candidates and they need three years professional experience, degrees in science, math and engineering. once they're accepted they go through a two-year training program to hone their physical, mechanical and intellectual skills. so i asked nasa to put me through some of the paces. life in space is grueling. 16-hour workdays that include a mandatory two-hour workout. >> i'm supposed to run with this. >> reporter: on the ground astronaut candidates jog or in my case walk as they will in space, tethered to bungee cords. weightlifting for 45 minutes critical to maintaining bone density in space, especially in the lower half of the body. along with t

nasa's top administrator takes a break from space work to talk to students at virginia tech. you'll hear what's next for the space program. sunny skies return for the weekend along with a major warmup. good evening i'm jean jadhon. students from liberty university are among the hundreds of volunteers who are helping the appmattox tornado victims with recovery and clean-up. wdbj7's tim saunders is live in evergreen. tim, what are the students doing out there this afternoon? they're assisting any way they can, jean. these students are part of a group called "l-u send" it's an organization that formed a few months ago to provide humanitarian relief in disaster zones around the world. they didn't realize one of their first assignments would be so close to home. more than 125 students have been sent here to do everything from roof repairs to clearing debris. their goal is to help with any immediate needs they might find. students say this experience is having a profound impact on their own lives. micah green/student: "i was honestly heartbroken to see demolished, down to the ground, and famil

more money. >> that means more money for nasa aims in mountain view. we're going to take a look back at the technology that could help put americans on mars. >> i got >>> let's turn your attention to the not the state of the union but far beyond. >> as jonathan bloom explains it could mean big things for research being done in the bay area. >> the state of our nasa is as strong as it's ever been. >> this after news that the president is proposing a bigger budget. >> i think we're solidifying plans to go to fares is making it easier to get support. >> paul agnew had support at moffett field. >> we run the primary super computers for nasa. >> they could help launch missions to mars. >> these are showing the first second or so of launch. >> and process data, predicting changes in the atmosphere and ocean. >> predicting what our ocean does, so scientists can use this as part of the climate model. >> humans can see what computers missing watching wildfires and pollution on the forest. >> this is number 11 in the world. >> it takes rows and rows of processor

. >> nasa backs a start-up that could boost space travel. i'm scott budman live as nasa aims at moffett field. >>> live in the south bay where san jose severs ties with youth football. league" has invested time and money into south bay sports progms >>> for years the police athletic league has invested time and money into the south bay sports programs to help keep kids off the streets of san jose. well, something has changed. the group known as p.a.l. has halted its ties to the softball program and the football league is worried it could come next. damian trujillo with more and damian this program so vital to so many kids in san jose. >> reporter: it really is. this is the home of the terrori twisters, youth softball league for girls. but recently p.a.l. did sever ties with this sports league and now another program worries they might be next. he spent decades walking and running on this same football field. he grew up a p.a.l. athlete and now is athletic director for the evergreen youth football league. he says a meeting this week with the

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nasa's exploration rover challenge. the kids and their vehicle are just about ready. 00-:10 :10-:14 :14-:40 :40-:45 :45-:58 :58-1:02 1:02-1:10 1:10-2:03 it turns out rick schrank's shop class at virginia city high is surprisingly popular. frisby: "last year i was the only girl and talking to a bunch of my you the chance to build something like this. it is student designed and built from ground up. a class project from the drawing board to construction to fund raising. schrank: "engineering, manufacturing, construction and they also learned public speaking going out and raising funds." like the real thing it's built to be light, easily stored and set up. about 95 percent finished, it emerged from the garage this morning for its first test drive. dohoney: "i don't think it had as much steering radius as we'd like." breckenridge: "i think a solid week of just working on it and making sure it can turn without crashing into the curb." but the fully independent suspension seemed to glide. that will be important when

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nasa is going strong -- according to the agency's top man. for the first time, the "state of nasa address" was held in our area today. administrator charles bolden gave the speech at nasa-langley -- shortly after president obama released his budget. the agency is slated to get 19-billion- dollars next year. some of that money will be used for work here locally. sot - charles bolden, nasa administrator - clip 59 22:04:02 i think day. 22:04:09 you can watch the entire state of nasa address on wavy dot com-- and learn more on how the new budget will give a boost to the space agency's missions the feds may start looking into a chaotic cruise, that looked like a scene from a disaster movie. we've been telling you a royal carribean ship sailed right into a storm over the weekend. it hit high winds and rough surf in the atlantic -- on its way to florida. some things got during the trip before the crew decided to turn around. now a florida senator is calling for a federal investigation. . (sen. bill nelson/(d) florida) "the thing about this storm was

this is a nasa photo of charlie blackwell thompson, the first woman to oversee a nasa lift-off and launch team. em 1 will send orion around the moon for a three-week trip. that unmanned test is set for sometime in 2018. >> a big change on the beachline. you don't have to stop to pay the tolls at the plaza nearest orlando international airport anymore. the toll plaza will now be torn down. signs warn motorists to keep on driving. the three decades-old design is outdated and since it can't handle the 75,000 cars a day, back-ups are common. >> on the way back after work, usually there's probably a good war mile to half-mile back-up in the toll roads. >> a break from traffic does not the authority added new toll plaza ramps at conway road, tradeport drive and boggy creek road. the new ramps offer a small discount for e-pass drivers. >> you know, marriages can have its ups and downs. but if you've ever wanted to start yours 400 feet up in the air, now you have a chance. the orlando eye is hosting free weddings on valentine's day weekend. couples must bring a priest or notary and can have up to

. >> president obama's federal budget gives nasa more money. >> that means more money for nasa aims in mountain view. we're going to take a look back at the technology that could help put americans on mars. >> i got >>> let's turn your attention to the not the state of the union but far beyond. >> as jonathan bloom explains it could mean big things for research being done in the bay area. >> the state of our nasa is as strong as it's ever been. >> this after news that the president is proposing a bigger budget. >> i think we're solidifying plans to go to fares is making it easier to get support. >> paul agnew had support at moffett field. >> we run the primary super computers for nasa. >> they could help launch missions to mars. >> these are showing the first second or so of launch. >> and process data, predicting changes in the atmosphere and ocean. >> predicting what our ocean does, so scientists can use this as part of the climate model. >> humans can see what computers missing watching wildfires and pollution on the forest. >> this is number 11 in the world. >> it takes rows and ro

nasa is taking heat for censoring the word, jesus. see why the organization is doing it. plus, we continue to follow the winter weather this morning. frank breaks down how much you'll see in your area "fox19 now never stops. take us with you wherever you go. download the fox 19 weather now app for live street level radar in your neighborhood. and lightning tracker warns you the instant lightning is detected weather now in the app store or google play frank weather open with snow bands stalling out over portions of tri state overnight we are waking up to a couple inches of snowfall with higher amounts north and east into warren, clinton, highland, and northern clermont counties where you will see winter storm warnings continue until 12pm. from now until 9am sctd light snow for many with steady snow pocket still north and east. with temperatures falling to near 20 and only staying in the 20s today even light snow will freeze to surfaces. with both air and pavement temperatures well morning any place that gets a light skim of snow could see an icy patch develop. later today

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nasa's next project is called mars 2020.crawford was allowed in the room at the jet propulsion laboratory in pasadena, california. >> everyone that goes in this room has to be suited up because they can't risk any contamination to this spacecraft is going to mars in four years with an unmanned rover that's going to explore the surface. this is all part of nasa's plan to send humans to mars in the next 20 to 30 years. this is what you have to do when you go into a room with a spacecraft headed for mars. wow. that is going to be on the surface of mars? that? >> absolutely. >> lift-off of the atlas 5 with curiosity. >> reporter: it's 200 million miles away, a speck in the sky. and in just four years, this spacecraft will blast off for an unmanned mission to the red planet. it's a crucial step toward nasa's goal of some day sending humans to mars. so everyone that works on this has to wear these suits. nasa agreed to let us go inside the clean room, where even engineers working on the spacecraft have to be covered head to toe. >

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nasa's next project is called mars 2020. jan craford was allowed in the assembly room of the mars 2020 at the jet propulsion laboratory in pasadena, california. >> reporter: everyone that goes in this room has to be suited up because they can't risk any contamination to this spacecraft, is going to mars in four years with an unmanned rover that's going to explore the surface. and this is all part of nasa's pl to send humans to mars in the next 20 to 30 years. this is what you have to do when spacecraft headed for mars. wow. that is going to be on the surface of mars? that? >> absolutely. >> lift-off of the atlas 5 with curiosity. >> reporter: it's 200 million miles awayaya speck in the sky. and in just four years, this spacecraft will blast off for an unmanned mission to the red planet. it's a crucial step toward nasa's goal of some day sending humans to mars. so everyone that works on this has to wear these suits. nasa agreed to let us go inside the clean room, where even enginenes working on the spacecraft have to be cover

now nasa's next generation is suiting up. jessica mei, ph.d. in marine biology, astronaut class of 2013. in your dream world, do you think about what kind of a mission you would love? >> i think i would like to go back to the moon. that would be a great first step. >> reporter: today she's in the water training for a mission to the space station. it's one of the biggest indoor pools in the world, the equivalent of 60 olympic pools, deep enough to hold 6 million gallons of water, and every new astronaut will spend considerable time here getting wet. >> i'm the first person to be alone on an entire planet. >> reporter: the movie "martian," a real mars mission could be 20 the next class of astronauts, minimum requirements, a bachelor's degree in math, science or engineering with experience or a military background. >> communication skills, to be able to successfully work on a team, both a leader and follower. >> reporter: a mars mission could last two to three years. >> would you want to go camping with somebody you can't get along with, spend a w

nasa is accepting its next class of astronauts. minimum requirements, a bachelor's degree in math, science or engineering, with experience or a military background. >> communication skills, to be able to successfully work on a team, both a leader and follower. >> reporter: a mars mission could last two to three years. >> would you want to go camping with somebody you can't get along with, spend a week in the woods with them, let alone two years in a tent with those people? >> reporter: nasa only needs 8 to 14 new astronauts, but already more than 6,100 people have applied online. future missions could include a rendezvous with an asteroid, even mars. >> we can send people there and bring them be up for it. >> reporter: two to three years, far from home, for some the stuff dreams are made of. tom costello, nbc news, houston. >>> that will do it for us on this thursday night. i'm lester holt. for all of us at nbc news, thank you for watching, and good night. >>> there arapahoe county coroner says the 6-year-old boy found dead in an a

nasa is studying this year's el nino to see what they can discover. we want to bring in nasa scientist leslie from the goddard space center. did the el nino pan out like we thought it would? >> reporter: good question. el nino, large amounts of warm equateioral area. some aspects fairly typical and some weren't. we were hoping for more rain in southern california. we got help with the -- to get help with the drought, but that was not according to the plan. but we're learning more of this one, and putting it in the context of others, but none are exactly alike. >> john: i remember last fall that the national weather service had concerns that this would cause more storms than normal. has that been the case or a pretty normal year? >> reporter: it's hard to say right now. in addition to el nino, temperatures are getting warmer, climate change, and ocean oscillation that have impacts not related to el nino. it's always a little challenging in realtime trying to figure out if specific events are related to el nino or if it's something else. typical but aft