>>> on friday i sat down with former speaker of the house and former vice presidential candidate paul ryan for his first sunday show interview since leaving office. ryan is now out with a new book "american renewal: a conservative plan to strengthen the social contract and save the country's finances." he also happens to be the last republican to serve as speaker of the house. we began by discussing the legacy of his successor, nancy pelosi. >> it's an impressive legacy. obviously she and i usually disagree on things, but, the first woman speaker, a career to be proud of and, frankly, i think about her husband, paul, a lot these days. i feel so awful about what happened to them. she has an incredible legacy and career to look back on. >> the midterms, i think i saw you had predicted that at least 15 seats, republicans would pick up at least 15. what happened? >> a couple of factors. i personally think the evidence is really clear, it was the trump factor. look at new hampshire. look at where kemp ran ahead of walker. i think we would have won the senate had we had traditional republicans i

you started about paul ryan. what else?en: he did a local news interview and this is what he said. i'm reading this. i thought it was a sound byte but it is a full screen. i think trump's kind of a drag on our ticket. i think donald trump gives us problems, politically, we lost the house, the senate, and the white house in two years when trump was on the ballot or in office. he continues, i think we have trump hangover. i think he's a drag on our office, on our races. stu: trump detested paul ryan. lauren: yes. okay. he also said something similar, there's other rising stars in the party. he mentioned ron desantis, maybe we should focus on them and then you have jason miller, an adviser to former president trump. he said, look, you have this big announcement coming on tuesday. just wait and delay till after georgia is sorted out on december 6. full disclosure, paul ryan on the fox corp. board of directors. stu: the anti-trump sen sentimes rising. i believe so. lauren: we gave you examples. stu: if you have to sell your hous

look at paul ryan, take a listen to what he had to say. listen to what he said this morning about why he will not support a third trump presidential run. >> i am a never again trumper. why? because i want to win, and we lose with trump. >> he wants to win, and they cannot win with trump. not that trump is a bad person who caged children and separated families, or banned muslims for country, or fanned the flames of racism and antisemitism, i can go on and on. no, that is not it. it is not policies that paul ryan has a problem, with it is the name trump. it is only about power for these republicans, it is rarely about principle. >> and one thing that i always remember about paul ryan, there is that wikipedia page on spinelessness, they put a photo paul ryan there. >> mehdi, a great show. i'm sure you can get up early to catch on the world cup. >> yes, england and iran, come on. >> are they gonna bring it home? >> -- >>. all right, enjoy the rest of your evening. coming up on ayman the latest on breaking news out of colorado springs, what do

paul ryan lost by 43 votes when he was challenged some years back. this is normal and productive and healthy. i am sure our conference when we come together to elect our speaker january 3 i know we will be unified and come together and get this done. i would also like to point out the way i look at this is our republican conference and who we have as our leader and speaker of the house is also extremely important going into 2024. kevin mccarthy has set fundraising record after record and no one can raise more money than kevin mccarthy as we support candidates and have to keep the house, win at the senate and take back the white house in 2024. that is something extremely important as well. speaking of 2024, we know president trump has a special announcement tonight and i will say right now, president trump has my full endorsement and support as our republican nominee in 2024. [indiscernible] >> we have to have the gavel. that is extremely important because the gavel means subpoena power and republicans need subpoena power the next two years. yes ma'am

paul ryan, the same situation. they actually had strong, healthy majorities.kevin mccarthy is in a situation where the republicans just have a four or five, six-seat majority, not only when you are speaker is it harder to actually get votes going your way to corral all the votes, herd all the cats, the question is, does he have the votes to become speaker? i think not only do we have uncertainty on who controls the house, but there's uncertainty who the next speaker would be. >> what deals he will have to make to nail it down. mark, we will talk to you later. >>> up next, we are waiting to see which party is going to control the house. more on that and the jock i canning -- jockeying for the top job which has begun. the latest from the hill next. we continue our big coverage of the 2022 midterms, well beyond election day. it's election week or month. you are watching msnbc. rs old, and i'm a hospital administrator. when i talk to patients you can just see from here up when you're wearing a mask. and i have noticed those lines beginning to really become not so

>> there is a risk, but we've seen other people not get the 218 votes before, namely paul ryan. work to do, a bit of horse trading but the question is and i think charlie knows a lot about this, the question is what do these conservatives want? the freedom caucus. one of the things they want is to be able to recall the speaker whenever they want with just somebody coming on the floor and saying oh, we ought to have a new speaker and have a vote if the spoker does speaker does s don't like. he has to give them something and the question is what? what would he be willing to do? >> what do you think? >> i tend to agree with gloria. he doesn't have 218 votes today. he can get there. how many concessions does he make? what demands will be made of him? why would you weaken yourself to take a job -- don't give your opponents the rope to hang you. he's got to be careful. by the way, if he can't get 218 republican votes, that could set up an interesting scenario where you actually need a coalition speaker that republican and democrat. in fact, after 2015, i never really said this publicl

people in washington to enrich themselves, similar to bidens appointees, the mitt romney's, the paul ryan's, to get through the legal system. they have legal implications which has a lot more to do with world events then people want to admit to. i like him. i do. people are declaring war when there is no battle to be fought, yet. why is it that we take weeks to count votes? >> when you were talking about the baby in the onesie, you are talking about the desantis add when he was running for governor in 2018? caller: yes. host: i've got that. i will play it for viewers. >> everyone knows my husband, ron desantis, is endorsed by president trump. he is an amazing dad. ron loves playing the kids. >> build the wall. >> then mr. trump said you're fired. >> he is teaching medicine to talk. >> make america great again. >> i just thought you should know. >> ron desantis for governor. host: that ad from 2018. orange park, florida. amy, what are your thoughts about your governor potentially running for president? caller: i would not want him to be president at all, no. host: why? caller: for a couple o

. >> and former gop house speaker paul ryan saying this. >> i am a never again trumper. why?ause i want to win. and we lose with trump. it was really clear to us in '18, in '20, and now in '22. we stick with trump, we keep losing elections. that's just how i see it. >> joining me now, kurt bardella, former spokesperson for the house overnight committee republicans. kurt, how much stock do you put into the notion of former trump sycophants like mike pompeo and bill barr reportedly turning on donald trump? >> absolutely none, katie. i remember in the aftermath of january 6th republicans were talk about, it's time to step away from trump. they have the perfect onramp to divorce themselves from trumpism, and yet after a couple weeks went by and a couple news cycles went by, they were right back there on the trump train. every single person who's speaking out right now, ask them the question, if donald trump ends up being the nominee, are you vote for him, campaign for him, raise money for him? of course they will. they'll fall right back in line. so much of this reminds me of wha

former speaker paul ryan he said this to fox news digital on the 2024 elections. evidence is crystal clear. trump is costing us elections and we know that there's a great generation of capable conservatives who are more capable of winning the general election than donald trump. i think anybody not named trump can beat biden. full disclosure paul ryan is on the board of directors at fox. david, do you agree with him. anybody not named trump can beat biden. >> half right, half wrong. there's a great group of conservatives. there's a huge bench in the republican party when you look ink across different electoral levels but he's wrong and he can't determine that. the republican party are the voters. the primary voters who will make that decision and right now, trump is the leader of the party he has a huge base out there, and the question is can he work his way through from his announcement recently to get to two years from now where he wins the presidency. that's up to the people, not up to me, not up to you, not up to paul ryan, not up to anyone. stuart: okay. you h

the same threat also loomed over his replacement, paul ryan. unlike boehner and mccarthy, it was obvious to anyone watching that ryan did not actually want the job. so after two years, he was like, i am out to. i'm going back to wisconsin. it is unclear if the far-right freedom caucus could succeed in bringing back the motion, but either way, maga die hards will actually be calling the shots. nbc news projecting that republicans will hold 220 seats in the house, maybe 218 for majority. that means that protection, they can afford to lose just two votes. that is a very tight margin to work with. those numbers are around what asked beaker nancy pelosi has been able to navigate with democrats. she had 220 votes in the last congress, but nancy pelosi is an exceptionally gifted politician, when it comes to wrangling votes, probably the best vote wrangler of her generation and in the all-time list of your speakers. i doubt even kevin mccarthy supporters believe she matches her ability in that regard, so mccarthy starts out playing the game at the high

post," donna edwards is also an msnbc political contributor and brendan buck saved as an aide to paul ryan john boehner. it's great to have you here. let me start with nancy pelosi and the other democratic leaders. they're no strangers to political fights. as this new republican majority comes in, is there serious policymaking on their agenda, or is it, which it seemed to be a lot about yesterday at the press conference, just about investigations? >> i mean, serious policy could be on their agenda. nothing is going to get done because there's a democrat senate and a democratic president. you could put the policy agenda that has a chance of becoming law in a list of two or three items. not including funding the government, lifting the debt ceiling and things like this. this is going to be a majority that passes legislation that we call messaging bills, bills that will get through the house but never get through the senate. they'll do a lot of investigations. here's the thing, if you talk to republican leadership and they're being honest, they understand that these investigations are a base

i had a remarkable interview with paul ryan, the former republican speaker of the house who told me he was not a never trumper, but he is now a never again trumper because with trump, republicans lose. we'll see how long that holds. >> and, jon, i'm really looking forward to seeing that interview with paul ryan. this comes after the backdrop of serious criminal investigations underway involving trump. what does announcement of a special counsel mean for him? >> it's hard to imagine the justice department, the attorney general would be taking a step if an indictment of donald trump, maybe indictments of donald trump weren't a real possibility. this is the clearest sign yet we've had of his criminal liability going forward. >> thank you so much, jon, for going through all of this with us, and tune in to this week later this morning, jon karl will go one on one with an exclusive interview with representative adam schiff about house democrats' change in leadership and the final stages of the january 6th committee investigation. plus, as jon mentioned, as republicans prepare to take control

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former house speaker paul ryan reveals who he think cans beat biden in 2024. who is it? lauren: anybody not named trump. he told fox news digital this "the evidence is crystal clear, trump is costing us elections and there's a great generation of capable conservatives who are more capable of winning the general election than donald trump. i think anybody not named trump can beat biden". stu: yeah, he had a big fight with trump. lauren: but there's a growing correspondent rhus of republicans -- chorus of republicans coming out and echoing similar concerns. stu: thank yous, lauren. the governor of florida ron desantis responding to questions about a gop civil war. roll tape. >> we just need to chill out a little bit on some of this stuff. i mean seriously, we just ran an election, we have this georgia ronoff coming, which is a very important for republicans to win that georgia runoff. i mean, i know around the country, florida was kind of the biggest bright spot. it was not so bright in many other parts of the country. it was a substandard performance given the dynamics th

paul ryan is of course the former speaker of the house of representatives. he served in congress for 20 years from 1999-2019 represented the first district of wisconsin. and that time he rose her quickly to serve as chairman of the budget committee adventure of the ways and means committee and ultimately served as speaker for about three and half years. i'm sure it felt like a lot longer, paul. he's now among other things a nonresident fellow with us here at aei as well as serving on a number of boards, , teaching and notre dame and the important work. our format will be straightforward and conversational. no formal remarks, no opening statements. we will discuss the book, its core ideas, put questions to matt, and after some back and forth between matt and paul, which i will moderate, we will open up things for questions, questions from all of you in the room and also questions from those of you who are watching live online. if you're watching us online there are two ways you can ask questions of matt, i e-mail or if you must on twitter. but i e-mail you ca

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they can't settle on somebody to succeed john boehner and you had switzerland step in which was paul ryant a couple of members have suggested to me and this is not out there at large, maybe kevin mccarthy could run as a slate. what happened in 2015 is he tried to get trey gowdy former republican congressman from south carolina to join him on the ticket, essentially he would be speaker and he would be majority leader. gowdy wanted no part of that. it was suggested to me and this was only a suggestion that maybe they can bring in say jim jordan to run as majority leader. someone loyal to former president trump and would bring along the freedom caucus but one source said that you would have to break a lot of china in in the capitol if you were going to have that scenario and sideline say steve scalise. mike: does she stick around? >> he's going to still remain in congress. that's what she said. she didn't say she was running for leadership but she made the rounds on the couple of other shows this morning. listen to what she had to say. >> well, you know, what i'm not asking anybody -- people

i covered when john boehner went through this and the elements and his party came after him, and paul ryan, too. that was in the good old days. i think kevin mccarthy might be careful what he wishes for with this republican house. >> we've seen this movie before with john boehner, paul ryan. >> that's right. >> and, joe, let me ask you about president biden. this past week has been a good week for democracy, decency and dark brandon, i think. forgive me if that reference is going over your head. maybe we're too old to get some of these things from the young voters. the speculation about whether or not the president will run again in 2024, i suppose that will continue. and he gives the same answer about that. let me get your comment on the other side. >> look, my intentions, i said in the beginning, is that i would run again. but it's just an intention. i have not made a formal decision. but it's my intention. my intention to run again. my intention is i will run again. but i'm a great respecter of fate. >> what do you think, joe? he's routinely underestimated. and now, can boast one of the

all of that is very different from paul ryan -- excuse me, tim ryan's positions. [laughter] rep.nd paul ryan this too, by the way. [laughter] [applause] judy: who would you choose in this race? rep. cheney: i would not vote for jd vance. [applause] judy: so if you were a buckeye voter, you would vote for tim ryan? rep. cheney: i would. judy: are there any other democrats you will endorse between now and next tuesday? [laughter] rep. cheney: possibly. i endorsed one just now. [applause] judy: you have said of republican house leader kevin mccarthy, "he is willing to sacrifice everything for his own political gain. he has been unfaithful to the constitution." you clearly would not be supporting him for speaker or leader if you were voting on that. who would be the right leader for republicans in the house? rep. cheney: you know, i hesitate to give any names because i don't think it would help them. kevin mccarthy -- he is very consistent. every time he's had to make a choice between what is right or his political future, he chooses his political future. the speaker of the house is

it's not policies that paul ryan has a problem with. it's the name trump.spinelessness -- prompts to that person. >> mandy, great show, my friend. i'm sure you'll be up tomorrow to catch the world cup, right? >> oh yes. england playing around? come on. >> are they gonna bring it home? >> inshallah, as some of us nights like to say. >> good to see, my friend. enjoy the rest of your evening. coming up next on ayman, the breaking news out of colorado springs. what we know at this hour about that mass shooting at an lgbtq nightclub. plus, the ohio democrat who defeated a 13 term incumbent republican. i'm gonna speak with great glenn smith about the biden agenda and his plans in the house of representative. -- >> another supreme court week. -- unraveling before our very eyes. i'm ayman, let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ tonight, we start with the breaking news out of colorado. a gunman entered a colorado springs algae dq nightclub late last night and immediately opened fire, killing at least five people and injuring 25 others. police chief of june vÁzquez says to patrons

the reason why he wasn't speaker back in 2015 when paul ryan became speaker is because he had his ownnd he lost it then. so his entire career has been about dreaming of becoming speaker again. he'll say or do anything to get it. that is not the type of leader anyone should want. kemp mccarthy is a coward, and he's they have been forthcoming how he feels about donald trump in public. you heard what he said in private. when he was called out on it, he bowed out and kissed the ring of donald trump. he knew he needed the maga wing of the republican party to vote for him to become speaker. having such a thin, small majority that they have right now, bodes very -- it doesn't bode well for him. because right now, there's a five-count margin of hell, no to kevin mccarthy. he can only lose about four of them, because no democrats are going to vote for him. so the dynamics here are concerning, if anything thinks that kevin mccarthy is going to operate in good faith. he's elevating margorie taylor greene for goodness's sakes. she's the worth of thetara, i h mccarthy, who could be speaker? >> lis

it is essentially what led to the demise of speaker boehner, and speaker paul ryan. just the threat of this hanging over the speakership. so this is something that he wants to avoid. but some house freedom caucus members want it to be imposed. that is just one small example of some concessions he has to potentially make, as well as committee assignments and other things. abby is right, there is no one who has emerged as a leader. there is no one who has emerged as a credible alternative. but we have seen speaker elections in years gone by not that far in recent history here. so we aren't sure, actually, if he is gonna be the speaker. afternoon gingrich, for example, when he was deposed. bob livingston was going to be the next speaker until he wasn't. there was a scandal there, and been a congressman hazard from illinois became speaker. kevin mccarthy thought he would be speaker seven years ago. and he wasn't, because of some issues, and paul ryan became speaker. so we do not know. but the reality is that the concessions that he makes now it's likely to make his job e

and the reason we know justin walsh and they voted against paul ryan's budget and they have punished them for that. you don't want a one-vote on the appropriations committee. you want 3-4 votes. the fame seeking caucus loses its influence. no matter the number his life is easier. easier than its 5-10. >> obviously republicans focus on florida. and since reconstruction, there has not been a time when florida doesn't have any democrats in statewide office. florida is looking a little like arkansas tonight than it is like florida of old. how do you judge seeing and some of these races and the results down in florida? >> let me just say in response to trey, and a little bit to you, i just don't see kevin mccarthy as nancy pelosi. >> we happily agree. it's big i don't see it. >> he's not going to spend money. >> the prowess, the ability to get something done with a narrow margin, that's why he went through paul ryan, john boehner, others in trying to do that for the republican caucus is quite a challenge. it's quite a challenge. >> how much is he going to be able to do anyway? nobody is g

. >> that was former republican speaker of the house paul ryan on abc news on sunday talking to john carl. joining us now, washington bureau chief for semaphore, benji collin, looking into is donald trump's third-party threat looming over 2024. welcome back to the building. good to see you. >> good fob back. >> let's talk about the possibility of donald trump actually making a third party run. people say at the end of the day he's still, from all the protests from paul ryan and mike pompeo and bill barr, he's still the guy and if he wants the nomination he'll get it. do you think there's a chance that doesn't happen and that he is driven into a third-party run? >> well, there's absolutely the possibility he loses. he starts with a lot of advantages, but this is also a somewhat different situation. he has an opponent, especially in ron desantis, who seems to have a lot of institutional gop support behind him. rupert murdoch's media empire seems to be enamored with him. a lot of republican donors are talking about switching. one thing we know about party institutions and leaders turnin

it is also a time we should reflect that do we have the i want to remind everyone that paul ryan lost by 43 votes. some years back. it is normal and healthy. >> as a fund raising record. no one can raise more money than kevin mccarthy. we will have to win the house and keep the senate. and also speaking of 2024, we know that president trump has a special announcement tonight. and i will go ahead and say president trump has my full endorsement. and my support. as a republican nominee in 2024. yes, ma'am. >> were you surprised -- by the announcement by kevin mccarthy? will you be whipping some of those vote for him? >> i i will be talking with my colleagues and explain my reasons for supporting him a speaker. i have good reasons for that. we have a very slim majority. this is why it is so important for us to stay unified and get behind him. as our speaker because we cannot open the door to the democrats peeling off several republicans and working together to choose a speaker that they would control. we have to have the gavel. that is extremely important because the gavel means subpoena

if you could go back in time and what would you say to yourself, what would you say to paul ryan, what would you say to mitch mcconnell? what did people do wrong six years ago, seven years ago? did they not appreciate the threat that he was? liz: certainly. i think that donald trump is very clearly, a very dangerous man. i don't think that we appreciated how dangerous he was. i think that post the election of 2020 and post january 6 there's absolutely no excuse and no defense, nobody can now claim we don't know how dangerous he is because we have all watched it and lived through it. paul: for what it's worth, i pressed on what dick cheney, donald trump republican. are you not a dick cheney republican. you are not a donald trump republican. you are a liz cheney republican who is a strong -- [applause] paul: constitutional conservative. let's talk about this house majority, assuming, there are at 217 right now. the republicans. i assume one of those final four races will break their way. the senate has stayed democratic. there is still a democratic president. what do you expect from this

it was really clear to us in '18, '20 and now 2022. >> former house speaker paul ryan.here will be people watching those clips and say, okay, but we have seen this movie before. after january 6th republicans walked out on the ledge and said i'm done, enough, we can't have donald trump with us. they turned around and saw there weren't a whole lot of people with them, and walked back where they were. is this time different just for the practical question of he lost the midterm elections effectively for them a couple of weeks ago. he lost the white house. he lost in '18. he lost the special election in 2021, and they want to hold on to power? >> yeah, it's only going to be different if it's different. having seen all of the other times the republicans have walked up to this line, but having said that, i think one of the most interesting things over the weekend was watching that parade of presidential candidates. donald trump did not sweep the field by preemptively getting into the race. nobody backed away. if, in fact, he did have an iron grip on the party, and he is still

john boehner and paul ryan, both who brendon worked for both of those men, have had to go through this at various times in their career as well. the demands that right is putting on kevin mccarthy are ridiculous and he should -- he would be crazy to accept them. why would he be crazy? because once he starts giving in to the right on any issue he's going to have to give in to them on every issue and it's not a precedence he wants to set. i spoke to him this fall when he thought he would win 25 to 30 seats and said i don't deal well with leverage. i agree with brendan. he has the inside track, but it is an eternity until january and i think he will become speaker. jim jordan cannot get 218 votes, i don't think, nor does he want to. i don't know how mccarthy is going to get there, but that doesn't mean i don't think he will. he will. it's going to be extremely bumpy and there are just tons of speed bumps in the way between now and january 3rd. >> there's also a question of how do you run that conference with the knowledge that you've got to try to win again in '24 and what do you go after

paul ryan said something nice about her today when a lot of republicans didn't, and that makes sense, because she saved paul ryan's behind sometimes when he couldn't get his own members behind things like spending bills he wanted to pass. he couldn't get the republicans so he turned to nancy pelosi and she got her democrats. she showed progressive leadership but also pragmatic leadership and was willing to bail out these sad republican men when they didn't have the ability to get their own members behind them. so there's so much that i could say. i think she saved the affordable care act in more ways than one. a lot of people around the president, president obama wanted to slash it after the special election victory. we can't do this. we have to cut it into little pieces. she said, no, we have to do it all together. she was right. she got it done. we could go on and on, so i'll -- >> i couldn't say it better than joan, and i can't say i was ever a constituent but i certainly respected and appreciated her. i should say two things. i loved, loved, loved that in her speech today she talk

here is what newt gingrich and paul ryan said yesterday. >> we have to do a lot of soul searching and head scratching and parsing the numbers as to why we didn't perform as well as we would have liked to have. >> why do you think it is? >> i think trump is a drag on our ticket. i think donald trump gives us problems politically. we lost the house, the senate, the white house in two years when trump was on the ballot or in office. i think we have some trump hangover. i think he's a drag on our offices. >> i think governor desantis is the biggest single winner of the night and he will almost certainly become the rallying point for everybody in the republican party who wants to move beyond president trump, which would make for a pretty remarkable race. >> write that in. newt. >> desantis. just need a board. start checking them off. >> trump. desantis. very good. >> about five minutes. let's bring in republican congressman adam kinzinger of illinois, a member of the select committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol. congressman, good morning. thanks for being with us. y

even paul ryan knows that. >> should mccarthy be house speaker?members of the house would make that decision. >> if you were a member of the house what would you decide? >> great question. >> the plan would have to be, how are we going to make, what's the plan to grow that caucus come 2024? the results were underwomening to s to -- underwhelming. new york, able to be successful. lay that success at feet of the individuals able to have one of the most successful court cases to render what was one of the worst cases of gerrymandering we've seen by either party occurring in the state of new york remedied in the courts. there is more -- >> by the way, i agree with you. democrats got greedy and put forward a crazy map and republicans righteously -- republicans pushed back, but if that's your position, do you think republicans overreach in ohio in florida, in texas? i was here republicans championing the cause redistricting in new york and never hear it for the other states. >> either you're against gerrymandering or you're not. >> you're against it? >>

one of his most vocal critics and longtime opponent, former house speaker paul ryan, said trump was aag on the ticket and the gop is suffering from a trump hangover. a republican senator expressed his frustration on twitter, saying it is time to bury the gop and build something new. meanwhile, donald trump has gone on the attack, using history social account to target senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, accusing him of investing funds in the wrong races and seeking to destroy the republican party. as trump and gop critics continue to few t some republicans are pinning hopes on 44-year-old ron desantis. his star is on the rise after he easily won reelection as governor of florida. the one time trump protÉgÉ could turn out to be the former president's biggest rigel -- rival. anchor: we can bring in lawrence douglas from amherst college, and host of a guardian podcast. thank you for joining us. it seems like the former u.s. president is ignoring advice to delay this planned announcement until after the georgia runoff. listeng to what members of the republican party want? lawrence: do

. >> is there a reason, john this is going to be different than paul ryan in 2015? look, tim ryan voted against nancy pelosi too. there are tribes within the tribes. do not overstate this. we live in an age where people develop their brand by challenging the establishment. and andy biggs is not a big policy guy in the house of representatives. nobody turns to andy bigz gs an says what do you think about ukraine or taxing and spending. he's a rebel rouser. he thinks this helps him with his brand. do not think of him as the future speaker of the house. that happens. don't overstate it, but don't understate it. the question is how big will kevin mccarthy's majority be in january? the republicans are 215 right now. they may get to 218, 220 maybe. so he's not going to have any votes to lose. he's not going to have any -- two or three, maybe four votes to lose come january. it is a giant challenge. and that's the big test today is how weakened is he coming out of this vote and can he repair that damage in the time between now and january when they vote for speaker. >> loo

all three political analysts and brenden buck who advised john baner and paul ryan and constitutional political reporter and msnbc political contributor gleg bluestein joins us as well. greg, i will begin with you because you've got some news. >> of course, we're headed off to a runoff in georgia, in four weeks and governor kemp is throwing his support behind herschel walker and of course they're both republicans and if governor kemp held walker at arms length he is now saying he will dorf do whatever he can to help herschel walker win the primary. >> throwing his weight behind herschel walker, isn't that going to make a difference? didn't he already do that? >> that's what he got to do. he won the election. and state republicans look to him to see how he will lean in to help herschel, and it may or may not matter by the time we get to december depending what happens in nevada and elsewhere in arizona. and the reality of it is he will do what he can as governor, as a republican leader, the chair of the party, ostensibly, but to what degree does he do it? and how much effort does he pu

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the reason we know david schweikert is because they voted against paul ryan's budget. in vain or punish them for that. you don't want a one-vote majority on the budget committee or appropriation committee. he went three or four votes so the fame seeking caucus loses its influence. kevin will take the speakership no matter the number, his life is easier if it's 15 - 20 than it is 5 - 10. >> we welcome juan williams back to the panel. there's a lot of bright spots for democrats tonight to look at. obviously republicans focus on florida. since reconstruction there has not been a time when florida does have any democrats in statewide office. florida is looking like arkansas tonight then it is like florida involved. how do you judge what you seen in some of these races and the result down informed? >> let me just say in response to trey, and a little bit to you kelli and, i just don't see kevin mccarthy as nancy pelosi. and i th chat program picked upn it. >> i agree. >> is not going to spend money. >> the problem with stability to get something done with a narrow margin i

back to paul ryan, nancy pelosi, john boehner. paul ryan had 247 house republicans. you can't forget that. that is incredibly important. and he struggled to control those people. so you're talking about a margin of two, three, four votes, katy, and it is just incredibly difficult to manage. i can't understand state that. so you will have a senate that will be either 50-50 or 51-49 and a house that is a three or four seat margin in a conference that is going to be much tougher to control than house democrats. >> let me ask you this. we just got a note from our nbc news producers on the hill, where they caught up with kevin mccarthy and they asked him if he was going to endorse donald trump. we're trying to turn the audio so that we can play it for you here. but i'll read you, he was asked, multiple times, will you endorse former president donald trump, and mccarthy's answer was, why are you asking? basically why. are you prepared to endorse him? do you endorse him? you guys are crazy, he says. and he walks away. that says a lot, doesn't it? go through that for me, how

and brendan buck is a former top aide to speakers paul ryan and john boehner. good to have you here. i know you're going to explain everything that happened. brendan, i want to start with you. we were just hearing about how slim the majorities could be if the gop does pull off this win in the house. conservative republicans from within the freedom caucus made your last two boss's lives very, very difficult. what is it that kevin mccarthy would face if he steps into leadership of the republican party in the house? >> yeah, it's a really difficult moment. when we had trouble sometimes keeping everybody in line, we had a healthy majority. sometimes 10, 15, 30 seats. this is a potential situation where you could have two seats to play with. that's almost impossible. being republican speaker of the house is almost impossible to begin with. with a two-seat majority, that means every member has leverage over the speaker of the house. that's what they're trying to assert. if you want to be speaker, you have to do things the way i want things done. and that makes a weak

. _ really held john benard and paul ryan. his — really held john benard and paul ryan, his predecessorsonly— of the house feeding the fire, we will only vote for you but you have got to _ will only vote for you but you have got to have — will only vote for you but you have got to have these concessions committees of the votes we want. we want one _ committees of the votes we want. we want one of— committees of the votes we want. we want one of our folks at the leadership table. they went to mccarthy when he became leader and he said _ mccarthy when he became leader and he said i_ mccarthy when he became leader and he said i am _ mccarthy when he became leader and he said i am not doing that. so the notion— he said i am not doing that. so the notion if— he said i am not doing that. so the notion if we — he said i am not doing that. so the notion if we have an eight seat majority— notion if we have an eight seat majority in the got 30 or 40 members who if— majority in the got 30 or 40 members who if mccarthy doesn't get into them, _ who if mccarthy doesn't get into them, one vote for him,

he watched paul ryan ryan and john baner fall apart.nd now he has his chance to try to lead a caucus that has voices that are singularly powerful because of their influence in the media. he does understand what he's up against. in the line of questioning there it was why would you put her on this. oversight is a very powerful position for congress. it's been weaponized in a lot of ways. so do expect if there is a republican-led house many investigations, do expect attempts at impeachments that we know will not go anywhere because the senate does not often convict. there's a lot of this we have experienced in the last four or five years. and the commitment to america, most of the policy details could fit on a card in his suit pocket. so he has to flesh out more what it means to have republican leadership. so the democrats are the throw at the bones attitude and energy. >> you're right. speaking to a democrat who's on the ballot in new york on tuesday. saying i believe -- referring to hochul -- she wins but the margin is the race for the

if you could go back in time and what would you say to yourself, what would you say to paul ryan, what would you say to mitch mcconnell? what did people do wrong six years ago, seven years ago? did they not appreciate the threat that he was? liz: certainly. i think that donald trump is very clearly, a very dangerous man. i don't think that we appreciated how dangerous he was. i think that post the election of 2020 and post january 6 there's absolutely no excuse and no defense, nobody can now claim we don't know how dangerous he is because we have all watched it and lived through it. paul: for what it's worth, i pressed on what dick cheney, donald trump republican. are you not a dick cheney republican. you are not a donald trump republican. you are a liz cheney republican who is a strong -- [applause] paul: constitutional conservative. let's talk about this house majority, assuming, there are at 217 right now. the republicans. i assume one of those final four races will break their way. the senate has stayed democratic. there is still a democratic president. what do you expect from this

, some of the old republican establishment, the, the old guard, even though there's a young man, paul ryan came out and said he didn't think trump should run. and look, donald trump is, is really the consummate outsider. he didn't run for office, he didn't need money or power from washington dc. he just came in and ran. they hate that about him. they hate the fact that he doesn't want to fight wars all over the place. i mean, he's the 1st president of either party that has not wanted to star wars. he's wanted to pull america back and focus on america. and you know, he's the 1st president. we've had in about 40 years, that hasn't thought it was his job to tell the rest of the world how to run their lives. i look, the american people like that, and i think that the parties, biden, and democrats, and the old republican guard are threatened by donald trump. he really is something different. and he really does threaten what we call here the swamp. he threatens the swamp. it's interesting, if there was any back slightly though he filled out by them sort of having, you know, this, this threat of

everything was paul ryan has been entitlements or boss.discretionary which i find to be more important because of authe bureaucracy that you're getting is somehow compared to on. i is a .what progress have we had over the last 20 years? did paul ryan say you came to and performing mandatory spending? we're putting forward a budget in the next seven weeks that will balance in 10, mormons are mandatory for . it will do our work is necessary. it will growth extend all the tax cuts. will pursue policies that are vital will go with reckless abandon after the bureaucracy is already epa is environmental. none of us would happily we had a choice in the 70s is on democracy will but most of us wants the air and clean water proposition to the american people less than one was hard for people who wanted to not spend the money on epa. the epa statutes at their disposal. they had the old law enforcement apparatus. they put a navy veteran in jail for 18 months of this last time on this for only four ponds on his rent in violation of the waters of the uni