but 17 years later, ron johnson of wisconsin, who is more blunt than bold, wants to bring it back. told the radio program this week that he thinks republicans should open the door to make programs like social security and medicare eligible to be defunded by congress. even though a recent data for progress poll found that. 83% of americans want to expand social security, not make has to it. and proposals like, that as well as a similar radically right wing plan from florida republican senator rick scott to end the programs like social security, without congressional reauthorization are exactly why republican senate leader mitch mcconnell, who, whatever else you think of him, is a smart political strategist, does not want to tell voters what his party would do if they take power. mcconnell knows the republican agenda is incredibly unpopular, which is why democrats should be hanging johnson and scotts plans around the neck of every republican lawmaker running for reelection in november. make them own them, or run from them. i mean, if defund the police is unpopular as a political sloga

ron johnson's office tried to overturn an election.you can just imagine what's antics, tricks that they're trying to pull. this is the unfortunate reality that we are experiencing, because democracy is just not working out for republicans. they're trying to keep up with the will of the people, the issues that they support, the things that they take on and challenge. it is so very unpopular -- >> yes. [inaudible] >> it would be if they were to overturn our democracy. that's what we're fighting for. i don't want to wake up on november 9th, and just to see republicans gain more seats in the u.s. senate. or ended up with -- [inaudible] lives are at stake right now. >> we will have to leave it there. mandela barnes, thank you so much for your time tonight, we appreciate it. that is all in on this wednesday night, msnbc prime starts right now with ali velshi, good evening. mehdi thank you great conversation i'm kind of fascinating. you and i both come from places where there is universal health care. it's 15 models for doing this around the

. >> wisconsin republican ron johnson is one of the most dangerous and ignorant republican members ofieutenant governor, mandela barnes is now the democratic nominee running against ron johnson. lieutenant governor barnes will join us next, you just heard what stuart stevens said about the importance of elections like this. the future of the country is at stake. that's next. complete multivitamin plus an extra boost of support for your immunity, brain, and hair, skin & nails. new one a day multi+. for people living with h-i-v, keep being you. and ask your doctor about biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in certain adults. it's not a cure, but with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to and stay undetectable. that's when the amount of virus is so low it cannot be measured by a lab test. research shows people who take h-i-v treatment every day and get to and stay undetectable can no longer transmit h-i-v through sex. serious side effects can occur, including kidney problems and kidney failure. rare, life-threatening side effe

disregard to veterans that were impacted by burn pits, or even going out against insulin cost, ron johnsont be out of touch. and he has exhibited this felt leadership for the last 12 years, that is exactly why i'm running to replace him. >> what about one johnson's position within a republican party that stands against counting all the votes? in presidential elections? they are now supporting the idea that republican secretaries of states can simply change the votes and change the outcome of presidential elections. >> well counting on the balance is one thing for one johnson's office try to send suffolk electors to mike pence. ron johnson doesn't seem to be too concerned over democracy because democracy isn't working out too well for the republican party. and that is why this election cycle is so important. our democracy is quite literally on the line. but we can not go anywhere unless we expand the majority and we had on earlier, on what this election means. the very first plan that my campaign rallies was a democracy and accountability agenda to hold people like ron johnson accountable.

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so ron johnson for senate.com, aisle going to need -- i'm going to need a lot of help.illion smearing me and, of course, the fbi's part of that process. maria: all right. is there anything you want to say about your opponent? >> he's the most radical leftist who wants to defund the police, he wants to abolish i.c.e., he supports all these disaster rouse policies hard creating so much pain for americans. maria: thank you, senator. good to talk with you. we'll be watching and keeping a spotlight on it. senator ron johnson in wisconsin. we'll be ♪ my relationship with my credit cards wasn't good. i got into debt in college and, no matter how much i paid, it followed me everywhere. between the high interest, the fees... i felt trapped. debt, debt, debt. so i broke up with my credit card debt and consolidated it into a low-rate personal loan from sofi. i finally feel like a grown-up. break up with bad credit card debt. get a personal loan with no fees, low fixed rates, and borrow up to $100k. go to sofi.com to view your rate. sofi. get your money right. ♪ i'm a performing ar

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thanks for having me over today. >> let's talk about how you deal with a candidate -- like ron johnsoncause there's a time where i remember that brown johnson was a fairly mainstream republican candidate what happens -- what happens now? because he's not, he's unendorsed conspiracy theorist, he has endorsed various levels of election denial. what does that make you need to do now? >> i'll tell you, the choice is simple. we are leading with our values, we are leading with our vision. on the other hand, you have ron johnson who is further, and further out of touch with reality. further out of touch for the reason he was elected to serve. leaving people behind whether its social security, whether it's medicare. and i will tell you, he has doubled his wealth in office, but couldn't be concerned but the quality of life for the rest of wisconsin. that is the problem, here that is why i am also leading ron johnson with independent voters in wisconsin. this is someone who has spent his time in office for -- healthiest donors. and we also have a poll that shows a seven point lead over ron johns

between mandela barnes, and ron johnson.y really quick here, mandela barnes had a contested primary up until about two weeks ago. when all the candidates running against him dropped. out for clearing his path against ron johnson. it is a fascinating race. young, african american, fairly progressive although he's kind of shifted towards the middle here recently. running against one of the real conservatives, still a trump fire brands in the senate in this key key battleground state in the heart of the midwest. we're going to be spending a lot of time writing, talking, thinking about the wisconsin race this fall, laura. >> i only issue with what she said is that i'm from minnesota, which is a true heart of the midwest. i will leave that alone and let this night be about wisconsin momentarily. thank you jonathan, i appreciate it. >> no love for the cheese carts. >> no, i love the cheese curds, and it estate for time. but you can't culminated in with the heart of midwest is and not include minnesota, don't you know. thank you ve

i think in wisconsin, against ron johnson, look, it is a really evenly divided state.losed presidential election there, and you could see a very competitive race for the senate this year between mandela barnes and ron johnson. real quick here, mandela barnes had a contested primary up until two weeks ago, when all the candidates running against him dropped out, clearing his path against ron johnson. it is a fascinating race. young, african american, fairly progressive, although he shifted more to the middle here recently running against one of the more conservative, trumpian firebrands in the senate in this key battleground state in the heart of the midwest. we will be spending a lot of time writing and talking and thinking about the wisconsin race this fall. laura? >> but on the issues what you said, i'm from minnesota, it is the true heart of the midwest. i will be that alone and let this be about wisconsin, momentarily. thank you, jonathan. >> no love hershey's, laura. >> i love the cheese curds. but you can tell a minnesotan with the heart of the midwest is and not

ron johnson thinks, no way, that's me.s is going to be a really tall hill to climb. for someone like ron johnson who was elected in 2010 until now to try to rebrand himself in wisconsin. >> how much, when you're talking with folks in and around wisconsin, people who understand the dynamics, how much do some of the things that senator johnson has said related to 2020, et cetera, related to the fake elector scheme, et cetera, make a difference? >> it does make a difference with independents. and independents really don't like to talk about 2020. they want to move on. there's a small slice of independents in wisconsin, but they're really, really significant meaning that these races sometimes come down to less than 1% and it's the independents who often tilt the race, and if you look at the marquette poll recently, you have a couple of things. independents do not like talk of 2020. they want to move on. independents favored barnes significantly, 62% for barnes and 38% for johnson. the problem for ron johnson is there are fewer

and we also have a poll that shows a seven point lead over ron johnson.s. he has been much more blatant than he had been in previous years. but still, we can take anything for granted. we need all the help we can possibly get because robinson is in the pocket of big pharmaceutical companies, and big oil. and that's why the folks need to step up and join us so we can win in november by going to mandela barnes stopped come in helping us out. >> but tell me about those people who might try to [inaudible] perhaps disgruntled republicans, conservatives, moderates. does all the stuff you just talked about, with feels like the way politics should be talked about, the policies that affect people and where you stand, and where ron johnson stands, does that matter? or do you ever talk about the unusual and extreme positions that ron johnson seems to like to carve out for himself these days? >> these things do matter because wisconsin is a working class state and this is not going to be a doctor, red red or blue, this is gonna be about people who -- left behind at t

. >> pump was in town to lend support to incumbent senator and treason buddy ron johnson and throwingto find an outsider to support your ideas? >> that's what it takes instead of having somebody that's been in there for years and years and years, make a change. >> ron johnson is also running in wisconsin for his third term. you voting for him? >> yeah. >> it's important to keep the steady, steady, washingtonian vibe in there. because then you have a bunch of change happening. >> i like ron johnson. >> you wouldn't bring fake electors in and shove that on somebody. >> right. >> you wouldn't vote for somebody like that. >> right. >> ron johnson did that. >> we want people that believe in the constitution. >> he did try to bring fake electors to mike pence. >> okay. >> the maga crowd is celebrating their scotus ruling, turning back the clock on women's rights half a century, but is that far enough? when you think about the future of the g.o.p., what decade from the past does it look like? >> i would say 50s. >> 50s. 1850s. >> 19. >> 1950s. okay, so 1950s. >> yeah. >> not slavery, 1850s.

wisconsin, what about ron johnson?johnson is the only person in congress who cares at all about the millions of people who are vaccine injured to. my estimates are there are tens of millions of vaccine injured in america, members of congress will meet with these people. they meet with them and 30 minutes later they say they look at their watch and say got to go and that is the end of it. whereas ron johnson has been very consistent about bringing this problem to the attention of the american public. >> brian: it figures, he's a very successful businessman like you. thanks so much, appreciate it. meanwhile, joe biden has led to millions of new migrants into the united states every day, every minute. it's clear americans don't support this. a brand-new gallup poll shows americans with less immigration, even democrats admitted we have an immigration crisis. >> we need help also, we are reaching out to the federal government to tell them we need help. we will be on the phone with the white house, they are willing to speak

senator ron johnson on new explosive whistle-blowers claims. top officials purposely delayed the probe into hunter biden's alleged crimes until after the 2020 election. we talk to the senator next on "the evening edit." >> here's this laptop that obvious incriminating information on it, a two year investigation plus. even people inside of the bureau scratching their head, why are we sitting on this? ♪ and last for weeks. it can make your workday feel impossible. the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside of you. 50 years or older? ask your doctor about shingles. ♪ ♪ you had me at allison® 10-speed transmission. ♪ features available on gmc sierra heavy duty. premium and capable. that's professional grade from gmc. your record label is taking off. but so is your sound engineer. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire pst. girl. you can do better. at least with your big-name wireless carrier. with xfinity mobile you

we know thanks to whistleblowers who have come forward to ron johnson, chuck grassley, jim jordan, thathe fbi hatched plan to downplay any negative stories about hunter biden by calling them disinformation. was the fbi contact with facebook part of the plot to help biden get elected? senators grassley and johnson want to know and asked zuckerberg for relevant information and facebook was not the only entity, there were 50 former intelligence officials with no evidence whatsoever that signed a letter saying it looked like russian disinformation and joe biden just appointed one of them to his board. james comer said this is part of biden using power to protect his family, comer joins us now. congressman, what can you tell us about it in light of the revelation about fbi whistleblowers and the warning coming from the a.g.'s office not to talk to members of congress? i thought we praised whistleblowers? >> we do praise whistleblowers especially on the house oversight committee and we're meeting with dozens of whistleblowers from top law enforcement agencies and border patrol. one thing with

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because it would hurt then presidential candidate, joe biden's reputation in wisconsin senator ron johnson agent were not, told not to investigate hunter biden's laptop because of the presidential election. >> fbi leadership said that you will not look at the hunter biden laptop and also the fbi is going to change the outcome of the election again and then they proceeded to do so by suppressing that information and talking to people like facebook and mark zuckerberg, possibly twitter, to mix of the bottom line here is fbi getting wants us to believe a couple of things, when that they routinely brief social media companies etc. ranges about these kind of russian disinformation thanks and also that they were sing out of this because i did not want to sway the election, the sweet another election. katie: so the fbi's out of this laptop for months and i said they knew what was on the ten day then when it came out about exactly what was on a laptop, from heck, as donald trump calls it, they previously arts big tech companies do not allow it to be proliferated calling a russian disinformation, w

ron johnson's running a great race against a radical in wisconsin.great race against a soft on crime federal north carolina supreme court justice. herschel's running a great race against warnock in georgia. jd vance running a great race against tim ryan. blake master son running a great race. >> sean: mitch mcconnell says it's 50/50 in terms of republican getting the senate he thinks we have a better chance in the house. do you agree with that? >> no. we've got great candidates. look at the background of these people. i mean, these are wonderful individuals that believe in this country. and they believe in the right things. we are going to win, but we've got to raise our money. when we raise our money, we're going to win. >> sean: i don't disagree, money means a lot in politics, no doubt about it. senator rick scott, thank you. we'll have you on often throughout this race. more hannity straight ahead as we continue. ♪ meta portal go. look professional. ♪ even if you don't feel it. meta portal. the smart video calling device... - right on time! - of c

ron johnson serves on the house foreign -- on the senate foreign relations committee, also the homelandurity committee so someone should ask him do you take classified documents off capitol hill which would be an interesting question? i'd be curious to hear your response. peter, pleased to have you on the show. first time sharing the screen together. thanks for being here. maya asked about the transmission and trump sharing. we know he shares because this guy almost tweeted out major secrets. i want to direct your attention to the iran missile tweet. this is according to our own reporting here at nbc news. an oval office ingrent 2019 perfectly illustrates trump's approach to state secrets, according to an ex-official. officially he -- there was an image of the iranian missile blowup, and it was intelligence, all according to a former official and when they showed it to the president they said i'm tweeting it. sir, we don't want to do it because poem will understand our capabilities. his response was i'm the president, i can declassify anything. that blows my mind, and i do wonder what e

ron johnson beat feingold by 52% of the vote the last time around. johnson is coming out with statements that you and others would suggest really because risk to the republicans. greg: i tell you, this has to be mitch mcconnell's worst nightmare. he has some bad candidates in georgia, pennsylvania, ohio. they have overdone the abortion issue which has backfired on them, as we saw in kansas. you are right. here comes ron johnson of wisconsin who says yesterday, maybe we have to change the structure of social security, make it something that has to be renewed every year, which would be a nightmare. people would use that as hostage for other legislation. are they trying to blow the senate election this fall? the house is going to flip to the republicans, i think that is likely. but all of a sudden the senate is very much in play. johnson is a factor in this. tom: is there a middle ground with republicans? with taiwan, we saw that with mr. romney, taking another tack. jan mcconnell and the republicans find a middle ground to salvage their senate election

i think ron johnson every six years we say ron johnson will lose and he ends up winning. himself to be an extremely resilient campaigner. joe biden ain't any more popular in wisconsin than he is anywhere else. referendum on the biden presidency if i were ron john. >> scott and karen, love that conversation. thanks for being with us. >> thanks. >> thanks, guys. >>> i want to have what they're having for breakfast. up next, america's roads becoming more dangerous with deadly crashes hitting a 20-year high. cnn is looking into why next. bl. the most epic sandwich roster evever created. ♪ it's subway's biggest refresh yet! (vo) at viking, we are proud to have been named the world's number one for both rivers and oceans by travel and leisure, as well as condé nast traveler. but it is now time for us to wo even harder, searching for meaningful experiences annew adventures for you to embark upon. they say when you reach the top, there's only one way to go. we say, that way is onwards. viking. exploring the world in comfort. godaddy lets you sell from your online store or in pers

i think that ron johnson, his record with conspiracy theories, it will make him very vulnerable in a battleground state. so i look back in recent history, he was not expected to win either of his first two attempts. he was successful, in both. certainly democrats have seemed concerned about this race. but this comes down to whether or not ron johnson is a good senator, he is going to lose. >> and steve, give us the lay of the land on the role that abortion will now play in the november elections. you just heard charlie say that folks don't quite know just how much of an impact this is going to have. well, what do you say? >> i was surprised this week to see republicans on capitol hill say this is a wake up call for them. in kansas for example, when they saw the margin, the fact that it was ready to go in this way, as a wake up call, that maybe the landscape is different than what we expected. what you see is what will follow next. the second step is what exactly? they are continuing to establish this, all along. they will ban abortion. whether americans want it or not, they want this

what about ron johnson? ron johnson is the only persongr in congress who cares ates allt about the millionsth of people who are vaccine injured. and my estimates are that theret are tens of millions of vaccine injured in america a and members of congress will meetetpl with these people, butit they meet with them. and 30 minutes later they say, you know, they look a at their watch and say, got to s go . and that's the end of it.ea whereas ron johnson has been just very consistent about bringing the this problem to the attention of the american public figures because he's awesome. he's a very>> successful b businessman like you. steve,e, thanks so much. appreciate it. my pleasure. thanks, ryan . meanwhile, joe biden has letme millions of new migrants into m the united states every day, every minuteig uni. it's clear americans don't support this. you got a brand new gallup poll. check this outra. shows americans want less immigration. even democrats now admitting we have an immigration crisis, but we need help

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here with reaction, senator ron johnson.mbshell and we've got whistle-blowers and i'd like to heal from them. i do believe that the vast majority of rank-and-file are good people. we see the corruption at the highest levels of the doj and fbi, don't we? >> we do. i'm not questioning the integrity of most members of the fbi emma that's what merrick garland is accusing us of. it's a diversionary tactic on his part. in august, the whistle-blowers told chuck in august of 2020 the fbi developed a scheme to downplay the disparaging information on hunter biden to deep six it. the same month, we received unsolicited briefings. we asked at the time who directed these briefings? two years later, we don't know who directed the briefings and die months later, those briefings were leaked to "the washington post" to smear me. the corruption has run deep and it's been running deep and since the hillary clinton email scandal. if remember, the editing of the james comey exoneration email where they changed like grossly negligent to extremely

i went back and looked at the ron johnson and russ feingold race from 2016. >> bret: mark eppel. >> augustown double digital. the last three polls taken the week before the election for ron johnson had him down 1, 2 and 5. he won by 3.4. i remind people wisconsin the week before the election abc and "the washington post" said joe biden was going to win by 17 points. and joe biden won by .6 points. wisconsin cannot be polled. arizona just had their primary. i just don't buy the polls and i also think people like herschel who i talked to today they are becoming better candidates by the week. the leader is setting expectations low but i still think he is looking to become the majority leader again. >> bret: fair enough. i get your comments about polls. and how to poll and i think we have a major problem in the country about polls. we're going to try to bounce around to these states and talk to actual people to make sure we get a sense of the pulse on the ground. i want to turn to the pennsylvania race. john fetterman, lieutenant governor in the senate race, harold, out campaigning for the fir

ron johnson was behind in the polls by 3 points right an election day and won by 3 1/2. have gotten a lot of stuff wrong. what we have to go on and it is troubling. if you look at the 538 average of some of these key averages. dr. oz is losing by 11 points in pennsylvania. in arizona masters losing by 10. in georgia herschel walker is losing by three. in ohio vance is losing by 1.2. a tie. rob portman won that seat six years ago by 20 points. joe biden is the least popular president in the history of presidential polling. we have the worst inflation in 40 years. the highest gas prices on record. the worst crime wave since the 199 0*s. the worst border crisis in american history. it should be a red wave of unprecedented proportion. republicans should be sweeping the democrats out of the house and senate. the fact that it is tight is really a testament to the fact that even though people don't like joe biden, they are not so thrilled with the gop and they aren't embracing us. i hope the red wave comes but it is not guaranteed and republicans, if it doesn't republicans need

tell me about ron johnson's campaign. do you have any updated there. >> the ron johnson campaign may say they are ready to go full steam ahead and we're seeing the democrat, the likely nominee lieutenant governor mandela barns who will be re-elected after the field cleared for him last week with the other candidates tropping out. both sides are saying they're ready for the general election match-up that we'll see. and look, this is going to be an expensive one. it is going to be a close one as well. and you have mandela barns who again, that field cleared for him. he has been fundraising after the field cleared. he raised about a million dollars. he will be out the stump tomorrow with the other democratic candidates in this state. and then you have ron johnson, he's an unpopular senator here in wisconsin when you look at the latest polling. he's under water in this state. but he is a senator that -- a senator that for the past two cycles, he's been able to defeat democrats despite him being behind in polling. so you have

now you have ron johnson saying, let's make -- this is ron johnson.nd medicare, if you qualify for the entitlement, you just get it no matter what the cost. and our problem in this country is that more than 70% of our federal budget, of our federal spending, is all mandatory spending. it's on adam attic pilot. it -- never you just don't do proper oversight. you don't get in there and fix the programs going bankrupt. it's just on automatic pilot. what we ought to be doing is we ought to turn everything into discretionary spending, so let's all evaluate eight so we can fix programs, or fix programs that are broken. >> joan, i, mean they are letting their freak flag fly if they think that any americans want social security to become a discretionary program that has to be authorized every couple of years. that's with our. saying >> we might have to cut it, we might have to [inaudible] it's crazy. and when you look back at what i wrote about white people, what's the matter with them, social security and medicare have always been on the table. they've tried

. >> chris, i want to have you listen to something that senator ron johnson said about social security and medicare. >> -- has always been discre discretionary, va spending is discretionary. what is mandatory are things like social security and medicare. if you qualify for the entitlement, you just get it no matter what the cost, and our problem in this country is that more than 70% of our federal budget, of our federal spending, what we ought to be doing is we ought to turn everything into discretionary spending so it is all evaluated, so we can fix problems or fix programs that are broken, that are going to be going bankrupt. >> what do you make of that, fixing problems, evaluating problems, turning it into discretionary funding, sounds like cutting medicare and social security. >> well, it certainly is putting it up for grabs. it is terrible policy and it is suicidal politics. >> yeah. >> because of the fact it is the old political cliche, social security is the third rail of american politics, the third rail in the new york subway system, the one where you can electrocute yourself.

who has spread election lies, and let's watch that clip. >> i like ron johnson.lectors in and shove that on somebody to try to affect an election. >> right. >> you wouldn't vote for somebody like that. >> right. >> ron johnson did that. >> we want people that believe in the constitution. >> he did try to bring fake electors to mike pence. >> okay. >> okay. do you ever get through to anybody, jordan, when you're -- because i see you, you're fact checking a lot of this in realtime, so i know you're doing a lot of preparation before you go into the interactions, do you ever get through to somebody and say yes, you got me on this, that's correct. >> well, i think that okay speaks volumes. >> yeah. >> i've had a lot of moments like that, where you confront somebody with facts or information they don't want to hear, and okay is about as far as you get because you realize in that moment, they're not going to accept a new reality. it's too difficult to shicft th b paradigm, they have gotten their lives around, their facebook posts around, and suddenly this is here. okay

i do want to start with wisconsin and mandela barnes and ron johnson. a slew of ridiculous statements and he's a trump acolyte. barnes is very bright, very smart, a young candidate. he lieutenant governor with governor experience. this will be a very interesting race to watch. what are you hearing? >> thank you so much for having me, tiffany. mandela is a client. candidates like mandela barnes represent the diversity and the -- and the enthusiasm in the party and frankly is overperforming joe biden and generic democrats in wisconsin, a candidate with executive experience as lieutenant governor and with legislative experience. they are really demonstrating that millenials need diverse voices in the senate. millenials now the biggest voting block in america representing only 30% of the u.s. senate and so i think mandela -- candidates like mandela are really demonstrating what can happen when we put forth a diverse -- a robust and diverse slate of candidates. >> yeah. well, we're watching, and, dean, terrance made really good points there are wisconsin and

he started out -- democrats in wisconsin, they have some respect for ron johnson. then he became a major trumper and has made a fool of himself since january 6. i think johnson is behind and will go down. you have north carolina, ted budd. it looks good day. the polls are tied. help me out here. ohio. a very strong candidate. a blue-collar --he is the sherrod brown democrat, a blue-collar democrat. the working-class people of ohio like him. i think he has a good shot against his opponent. which, he is famous, he's going to be a good candidate. no, he is not. you know, i might -- florida is the other one. what a rock star. i think --i would challenge anybody in florida to tell me anything that little marco has accomplished in 12 years in the u.s. senate. i think it is a tough race there. i think immigrants could win that one as well. i would say three out of the five democrats will win. we started with georgia. playing football, has to be a great candidate. no. it is an embarrassment. but he said about evolution, what he said about the climate change bill or the infl

you have mandela burns that's facing unaccompanied, four republican, ron johnson. he can take back and look at what's senate democrats really did by passing this bill. he can say, there's more to come if you like me into office and we get ron johnson out of office. you heard him say that he wants to push codifying more rights for women, who has access for health care because of the overturning of roe v. wade. he wants to push more things about health care, about access to abortions and so on. if you look in turn to this, this is what senate democrats have done. i want to contribute to making these changes. to helping americans, not just in wisconsin but across the country. make more decisions in order to better their lives. >> ron, johnson's current senator republican, do you think he's too far right for the voters? he's one of the republicans who voted against the insulin cap today. wh votethere's backlash, not just r his opposition to this bill and the things in the amendments in, it but also to the part he's played in other things. you have the january 6th heari

whistlebloweroe ron johnson got senate dot gov will maintain . ou anonymity but we need to talk to you to restore credibility to your agency's chris wray could have done the fbi the greatest service. he could have cleaned up the mess. he could have stopped the lying. he could have stopped thosese people that were responsible and held them accountable for spreadinge liesn and misinformation about trump russia collusion a. he could have stopped the people that went ahead with and put forward unverifiable information in a fisa application i to ruin carter page's life and donald trump's life. he hasn'tnaif done a thing that i see to clean a up the fbi. does he need to go ? well, he's done worse than that under his watch. for example, in the fbi's report, michael horowitz's first report was issued therefo are footnotes that were classified, redacted that contradicted the body bill present in the body. the report said the fbi had no knowledge of the steel that was tainted by russian disinformation with footnotes at the exact opposite in october 2016, j

ron johnson is standing with our brave law enforcement officers to keep families safe.e wants to keep violent terminals the hind bars where they belong. host: let's get to more of your calls. next up, we have tim in maryland on the independent line. caller: good morning. i was listening. i am a first time caller. i was listening to the topic about law and order and political parties and who you trust. my main issue is the first thing i would like to acknowledge is 90% of the laws that pass are lobbied by the top 10%, the wealthiest people. that's not a conspiracy. that's an actual fact. the other thing is you can't negate that. you can't discount that statement you talk about law and order. whose law? whose order? if it's the american people, then why are we the most heavily incarcerated country on the planet by miles? you know? law and order is a dog whistle for certain people. the history of our president and congress, men and women in senators shows the middle class, the lower class, we have no say in law and order. this is evident by that history. i am from new york

senate side, the surprise, ron johnson wins trying to get reelection there and on the democratic side away is barnes, that will be an interesting race for the senate. now in vermont we've got peter welch, the congressman there, this is the heat that patrick leahy, the longest-serving senator is retiring. welsh winning this and jordan maloley winning this over the former u.s. attorney, nolan. and here's another endorsement. >> his approval ratings are pretty low. and this is really interesting in minnesota. congressman omar surviving this race against samuels. giving a concession speech and they said if the playing field was even, we would've won this. we have our finger on the pulse of the exhausted majority. >> outspent exponentially, the congresswoman has a lot more money, she has 3 million twitter followers and he has 590. and he was campaigning on funding the police, trying to get the police department up and running again. taking them out to another race, that's not on the list of places, states that are having primaries, and washington there was a concession, the current congres

now this blockbuster, fbi whistleblowers telling wisconsin senator ron johnson that the fbi leadershipden's laptop before the 2020 election. in a letter to the doj, inspector general, johnson says, quote, after the fbi obtained the hunter biden laptop from the wilmington, delaware computer shop, these whistleblowers stated that local fbi leadership told employees at the fbi, quote, you will not look at that hunter biden laptop and that, the fbi is not going to change the outcome of the election again. johnson says these new claims should be enough for the inspector general to take action. dagen, when are we going to see acship for all of this -- action for all of this bad behavior of the fbi. >.dagen: i heard a former fbi agent on talking about that. maria: i saw that. dagen: he made an incredible point. he said this is not one whistleblower. it's very clear that there are multiple whistleblowers coming out to report on what's been going on inside of the fbi. and eventually that's how it all comes to light. and there's some sort of -- they say sunlight is the greatest disinfectant, how

so it's going to be tgher for him in a general election but ron johnson was always unpopular.ally could that be a democratic pickup? >> i could be. it is going to be difficult, but, you know, there are three factors that might drive democratic turnout in wisconsin. and you're absolutely right, he needs big votes out of madison. he needs big votes out of milwaukee. number one is donald trump, if donald trump announces for the midterms that's all democrats need to do to rile up their base number two, i think you wl see -- the overtuing of roe v. wade is just a big wildcard in wisconsin because the governor's race becomes a binary choice, we either will been abortion or remain legal. there's no doubt about who will control the legiature. those two things, i think, are significant, as well as, of course, ron johnson continuing to say bizarre things like medicare and social security should be made discretionary spending. so it's going to be a very, very close election here. once again, you saw last night, donald trump's clout, you know, it's the candate-backed by scott walker and m

mendela barnes leading ron johnson by four. if you want to know how races are changing, follow the money. democrats are prepared to spend $10 million to promote the latest bill. some republicans are having such a hard time raising money that the nrsc is shifting cash to defend gop seats that they can't afford to lose, like ohio, pennsylvania, and north carolina. i want to bring in sahil kapur, charlie cook is the founder of cook political report. great to have you all here. sahil, did i just hear mitch mcconnell trying to manage expectations? >> reporter: i think that's a kind way to put it. that sounded like him throwing a bit of shade at republican candidates who are struggling perhaps more than they need to be. let's start with the quartet of trump-endorsed republicans in crucial swing states who are first-time candidates. black masters in arizona, mehmet oz, is struggling mightily against john fetterman. j.d. vance in ohio, who has not put the state away, and herschel walker in georgia, who many republicans have had concern

ron johnson there is evidence from agents, whistleblowers reported that they were explicitly told not to examine the laptop, lest to interfere in the election, but the fact that the name of hunter biden was not on the ballot is that the fbi did not do its job, it just became election interference and continued to interfere further to bring down the negative fund the fbi in october 2020 launched a version about russian trail, and the kremlin's deliberate disinformation worked according to the old patterns. then everything was already a matter of technique, the feds did everything to ensure that the publication of the new york post newspaper that appeared 3 weeks before the vote and read laptops from hell as little as possible voters, what an idiot you have to be to forget to pick up a laptop from the workshop you are a biden, act appropriate everything he has achieved in life, i ruined everything. i want to know everything about the information that is stored on the laptop, which can destroy me in the elections. this is footage from a new feature film. my son hunter, directed by robert

let's go to wis with is and ron johnson, again a, a fox news poll out, senator ron johnson, 46%.s out. but if you're mitch mcconnell, you're thinking, ron, you're my incumbent senator. you have to take care of this so we can spend money elsewhere. >> i don't really see this assumption as holding. the kind of candidates who are coming to the senate, it's changing. it's a different crop of people who come here each year. i think mcconnell knows that the. other thing is i think this conversation has changed dramatically because of the roe v wade ruling, something republicans typically are able to do is run on culture war issues, well, now here's a big one that is driving progressive and liberal voters, and i think that might have an effect and made him less bullish. >> that's a great point because it's driving turnout among progressives who say we have a reason to come out. midterm elections, maybe your base stays home. it's also driving more suburban voters who might not love trump but might not love biden. >> you're talking about women in the suburbs who may be independent or repu

that is not something, i think, oh what ron johnson or blake masters can pull off. career as a u.s. senator, people know where he stands as on the issue of abortion. >> they're continuing to say they're pro-life. j. d. vance is another example, during the republican primary he had the abortion -- had the endorsement of the ohio right to life. and, then last month in an interview, he was asked about his support for federal abortion. his answer was, not right now. he didn't say he would never support this. but he said, i don't think this is what we need to do right now. they're doing a really tricky dance right now, to not alienate those voters, who put them on the ballot in the republican primary, but also not to go too far for general election voters. >> just for a snapshot of the abortion support. this polling, legal in almost cases, illegal in almost cases 37%. that's from all the way back in march, those numbers may have changed quite a bit since dobbs. but i also wonder how much we've seen democrats go on the offense on this. obviously, we're not getting a ton o

there have been some proposals -- host: ron johnson was on the regular joe show that wanted to approach social security with more oversight. what's mandatory are things like social security and medicare. if you qualify for the entitlement, you get it no matter what the cause. the problem in this country, our federal spending is mandatory spending. you don't do proper oversight. you don't fix their programs going bankrupt. what we ought to be doing, we should turn everything into discretionary spending so it is evaluated. we can't fix the problems that are broken. as long as things are on automatic pilot, we can't fix them. guest: automatic pilot is viewed negatively by one and positively by another. they are protected from annual discretionary allocations. that is the essence of social security. every year congress decides how much we should put in. that is the consequence of a proposal like that. that has been a theme. the programs need to be weathered away is what they're really saying. then what we do? host: i know senator rick scott had a proposal like that. you are saying, that is

and in wisconsin, ron johnson easily secured the republican nomination and the wisconsin governor's race is also set with trump's chosen candidate edging out the rival endorsed by the former u.s. vice president kristin holmes. reports from outside milwaukee in w. >> reporter: trump endorsed candidate tim michels will be the next republican candidate for governor here in the state of wisconsin taking on democratic incumbent tony evers in the fall. michels beat the candidate not only endorsed by former vice president mike pence but also the gop establishment. kleefisch had served for scott walker for eight years and was considered a favorite. at one point she was considered a shoo-in for this position but with trump's endorsement and all of the extra money in the campaign, michels was able to beat her out. one other big race in wisconsin that we were watching and that is the democratic primary for senate. barnes, current lieutenant governor, will take on the incumbent ron johnson in the fall in what is likely to be one of the most consequential races in the entire country. this comes at a

last night barnes won the democratic nomination to go up against republican ron johnson.date of the working place, someone who can bring together a strong coalition against ron johnson who is an unpopular senator in this state, who someone, both elections he's won, has gone in behind but eked out the victory. we're in for two very competitive races in wisconsin. >> shaq brewster, thanks so much. >>> an inside look at new safety measures some schools are putting in place as kids head back to the classroom. ) definitely higher. (man 1) we're like yodeling high. [yodeling] yo-de-le-he... (man 2) hey, no. uh-uh, don't do that. (man 1) we should go even higher! (man 2) yeah, let's do it. (both) woah! (man 2) i'm good. (man 1) me, too. (man 2) mm-hm. (vo) adventure has a new look. (man 1) let's go lower. (man 2) lower, that sounds good. (vo) discover more in the all-new subaru outback wilderness. love. it's what makes subaru, subaru. ♪ but i like it, i love it, ♪ ♪ i want some more of it ♪ ♪ i try so hard, i can't rise above it ♪ ♪ i don't know what it is 'bout that little ♪ ge

keep in mind, ron johnson is very conservative, very conservative. letter for the electoral votes in 2020, a disputed state but did not ultimately object but this is a key, key race for control. >> when you're talk about control, these battleground states could be desize ze decis? >> they are. new hampshire, pennsylvania, wisconsin, remember, trump in 2016 vastly outperformed romney but biden won them all. the white college voters make up the majority of voters in all of the states. this is going to be one of the tests whether or not the inroads that trumble made -- >> i do say great lakes and include lake winnipesaukee. >> we've seen races in wisconsin? >> yeah, i didn't think in my lifetime i'd be covering the wisconsin 63rd state primary but here we are. the reason for that, trump is backing adam steen over the conservative assembly speaker robin vos. why? because trump wanted vos to overturn the 2020 election. which vos said he couldn't do. >> we're talking weeks ago. we're not talking 2021. we're talking a few weeks ago. he wanted vos to overtur