the source even gave "the post" a quote explaining his motivation for the leak., they quite literally can watch your ideas form as you type them. >>> the "guardian" scoop that broke last night is thus far more opaque in terms of that story came from. what leaked in the "guardian" story last night is a secret court ruling that directs verizon to hand over data about all of the phone calls on its system to the nsa. glen greenwald's piece for the "guardian" said the secret court ruling had been obtained but not how or from whom. the "new york times" says it was marked top secret/si/no foreign, which would make it, quote, mock the most closely held secrets within the federal government. and that court order is what the "guardian" released last night. and tonight released their own version of the prism story also in things with "washington post" including their own chunk of the actual slides from the secret powerpoint presentation. nbc news reporting tonight that us intelligence officials are reeling tonight after all of these leaks. piercing the most sensitive secret

lot of the communities and they are trying to figure out how to best serve veterans with post-traumatic stress? moral injury is the guilt element and how you live with your experience and you live with your decisions of combat. so identifying that post-traumatic stress has different levels and not everyone responds equally to treatment, nor does everyone have the exact same experience, because everyone's experience is unique, regardless of the con flict or the amount of time that you served in the military. in addition, to the combat-related issues there are issues that aren't necessarily isolated or selective in the military that are wrapped around the combat element. so that is something that i am sure many of you have heard about in the military, which is military sexual trauma. so the survival of military sexual trauma is likely to then relate and have the exposure to those traumas ending with post-traumatic stress. so these three categoreys are how the veteran's affairs communities tries to provide treatment. regardless of which mode that you are identified to have experi

the source even gave the post a quote explaining his motivation for the leak. watch your ideas form as you type them. the guardian that broke last night is more opaque in term of where it came from. what leaked last night is a secret court ruling that directs verizon to hand over data about all the calls on its system to the nsa. greenwald piece said the secret court ruling had been obtained but not how or from whom. the "new york times" says the order was marked top secret/si/noforeign. which would make it among the ploes closely held secrets in the federal government. that court order is what the guardian released last night. tonight they released their version of the prism story including a chunk of slides from the power point presentation. nbc news is reporting that u.s. intelligence officials are reeling tonight after all of these leaks. piercing the most sensitive secrets in the counterterror data collection operation. and this all follows the nbc report last night on this, the internal u.s. governmentally and the kind of spread sheet on its covert progra

june 27 as the post traumatic stress disorder day and for the entire community to realize the issues revolving around post traumatic stress disorder. in keeping with the language, . post traumatic stress disorder and that post traumatic stress disorder doesn't have to identify you for the rest of your life. so just in keeping with the theme, we are a veterans service organization with direct services with mental health services, case manager, social workers, clinicians and we are veterans helping veterans. so a little brief history about ptsd. ptsd has been termed and coined many different terms, shell-shocked, battle fatigue and vietnam syndrome and in the late '80s, several elements are unique to the veteran population. so saying all right, look at the post traumatic stress disorder and in regardss to the civilian population how different is that from what the military and what the veterans experiencing combat experiencing? and paralleling those with mental health conditions and mental health diagnoses. it's necessary in order to seek specific types of treatment in regard to post tr

apsome one -- apple was named in the washington post story. what it said were power point slides from inside the nsa detailing in, those slides included the name of apple as well. now the company is saying it's never heard of this program. so we will have to get more detailed here on what exactly is going on, loorry, a very dramatic day here in terms of national security and intelligence gatherings on americans. >> this will be a wild story with all the names you listed. apple will deny it, whatever,ee mon -- eamon, with respect to the provider, is the insinuation by the washington post or the description by the washington post, i have not seen the copy, are they saying that the government goes right into the e-mails, picks up the e-mails or just processes the addresss of the e-mails and where they're going? >> as described by the washington post, they're saying this is a program where nsa analysts in for the mead out here in the washington, d.c. area tap into the servers of the these companies and actually read some of the details. the washing

sue the new york post. ish. that's when 16-year-old and 24-year-old filed a defamation lawsuit against the new york post accusing the tabloid as falsely portraying them as suspects in the deadly marathon bombings. according to the court complaint, the front page would leave a reasonable reader to believe they had bombs this their bags. the new york post is yet to come on the suit. but when startry first ran, the paper's editor this chief, allen stood firmly behind it saying we did not identify them as suspect. rupert murdoch says they were all distributed by fbi and were instantly withdrawn when fbi changed directions. tonight that cover story is still on-line and shows two innocent men with giant red circles around their heads, probably drawn on microsoft paint. if you scroll down there is another picture of the men with the men in blue with the bag over his shoulder in the crowd later. the men in the cap is wearing is no longer visible. there is an addendum at the top of the post that says, men were cleare

>> yes. >> the post game wrapup report? >> yes. rap apport. >> i'm not rap paport. >> nice. >> ucia deputy director. before we goat to that. moynihan, you had the video with the turtle that fell oh he verizon customers and landed on its shell. you asked if it was okay. the fact that it landed on its is shell. >> i don't know anything about turtles. the beast in the daily beast it is not what you think it is. [ laughter ] >> so dumb. >> lauren, you said everyone is worry about the fact that you had air rottic read allows. >> why was it is story on the daily beast? >> because we were trying to get some traffic. >> nailed it. >> i think it did pretty well. >> it got picked up everywhere including on "red eye." >> yeah. >> the grass ring. >> greg: the biggest hit. when "red eye" picks up your story it is like you getting picked up by a beautiful god. >> yes. morn you wored for the daily beast when the story originated and said the daily beast was there looking into the background, meaning the 1995 article. >> nobody pointed out about th

t"the washington post" and guardian reporting the u.s. government is tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading internet companies including microsoft, yahoo, google, facebook, aol, skype, youtube and apple. tom foreman is here taking a closer look. what's the latest? >> this information is really stunning, wolf. look at this one quote from the end of this article from "the washington post." these are actually the slides here. but look at this quote. the reason they say they have the slides from a power point presentation done for the intelligence community, what was said in here is that firsthand experience with the systems and

the post says the program goes by the code name prism and was launched in 2007. director of national intelligence james clapper said the article contains numerous inaccuracie inaccuracies. but he says information collected under the program is among the most valuable foreign intelligence they have obtained. facebook denied allowing any government direct access to their servers. apple says they've never heard of the program. >>> candidates in iran's presidential election have begun their last week of campaigning. citizens will choose from eight candidates when they vote next friday. the candidates went on television for a debate on foreign policy. this is iran's top negotiator and a top line conservative. thousands of people held an antigovernment demonstration on tuesday in the central city. opposition leaders have calling for more protests. security officials arrested officials of a reformist candidate earlier this month. they are restricting telephone communications and restricted visas of others. >>> here's the three day weather forecast. >>> that's all for th

this is a line from the "washington post" a story i want to know. firsthand experience in these systems and horror at their capabilities is what drove a career intelligence officer to provide power point slides about prison to the "washington post" in order to expose what he believes to be a gross intrusion on privacy. i they quite literally can watch your ideas form as you type, the officer said. spencer, i don't want you to give up sources here but i'm trying to get my head around the timing of these two stories back to back one after the other as some kind of rebellion by the intelligence community. >> chris, i'm not going to go there. >> that's absolutely fair. are we going to see reaction on the hill, liza, to this -- to this or are we going to see a collective shrug like we saw today? >> we saw a range of reactions, yes, you might describe it as a collective shrug. you saw people full throating defending what's going on. senator graham doing that and senator chambliss and senator merkley saying this is a real problem and rand paul saying this i

we've been collecting this information for over a decade now in the post-9/11 world. neither the past administration or this one has been able to give a single example of how this information has caught a terrorist attack before it happens. >> when you have disparate interests like mike rogers and dianne feinstein both telling the american people, in fact, i'll show it to you. yesterday congressman mike rogers who's the chair of the house intelligence committee put it frankly. he said these programs are necessary and, in fact, are responsible for thwarting a terrorist attack. here it is. >> that within the last few years this program was used to stop a program, excuse me, stop a terrorist attack in the united states. we know that. it's important. it fills in a little seam that we have. >> so respectfully when you say that there's no evidence that they've been successful, you can listen to senator feinstein. you can listen to congressman rogers. these are the folks who are getting the information and they say it's worked it. >> right. you can also listen to senator wyde

currently on assignment for the "washington post." and a fellow at the century foundation and a very, very busy man. thank you for helping us understand that. stay in touch with us as this unfolds. >> i will, indeed. you know that guy who called me a traitor, i had him come to my princeton class i taught on secrecy and we had a great time. >> and did he recant? >> he said maybe traitors aren't all bad. >> very good. and then he killed you. all right. we'll be right back. we had never used a contractor before and didn't know where to start. at angie's list, you'll find reviews on everything from home repair to healthcare written by people just like you. no company can pay to be on angie's list, so you can trust what you're reading. angie's list is like having thousands of close neighbors where i can go ask for personal recommendations. that's the idea. before you have any work done, check angie's list. from roofers to plumbers to dentists and more, angie's list -- reviews you can trust. i love you, angie. sorry, honey. actually it can.

>> well, i think one of the main reasons is the post september 11th boom. they needed to higher a lot of intelligence analysts and needed to hire them quickly. they found they couldn't pay competitive salaries in the government, on the government scale. a cia agent makes government scale salary, where as what we saw here with edward snoweden, he says his salary at 29 years of age was $200,000 a year. they're able to pay these folks a lot better in the private sector than they are in the government, and that's one reason to do it. >> who overseas all of this? >> well, it's overseen by a secret court that handles this, and, of course, the intelligence committees up here on capitol hill now, they're secret committees, their workings are secret as well. a lot of the criticism has focused on the fact that they're overseen by secret courts and secret committees. >> thank you very much. >>> still ahead on the program, what's behind the surging gas prices that's leaves midwest motorists suffering from sticker shock. >>> let's get a check on how the international mar

currently on assignment for the "washington post." llow at the century foundation and a very, very busy man. thank you for helping us understand that. stay in touch with us as this unfolds. >> i will, indeed. you know that guy who called me a traitor, i had him come to my princeton class i taught on secrecy and we had a great time. >> and did he recant? >> he said maybe traitors aren't all bad. >> very good. and then he killed you. all right. we'll be right back. [ female announcer ] doctors trust calcium plus vitamin d to support strong bones. and the brand most recommended by... my doctor. my gynecologist. my pharmacist. citracal. citracal. [ female announcer ] you trust your doctor. doctors trust citracal. from capital one... boris earns unlimited rewards for his small business. can i get the smith contract, please? thank you. that's three new paper shredders. [ boris ] put 'em on my spark card. [ garth ] boris' small business earns 2% cash back on every purchase every day. great businesses deserve unlimited rewards. read back the c

internet companies, that is according to "the washington post." some of the companies that are a part of this program include microsoft, yahoo, google, youtube and apple. so some very big technology companies. there are some slides that have been obtained by "the washington post" and "the guardian" that were part of a presentation. we can put them up on screen, i believe. they will show you a little bit of what this program entailed. these slides came from a presentation that apparently was unveiled to people who were involved in this program out in the silicon valley. the purpose of slides is to demonstrate that much of this information is so critical that it is used in the president's daily intelligence briefings over at the white house so this is a brand new controversy for the white house involving surveillance of ordinary americans and it comes on the heels of a separate controversy about the surveillance of phone records that was very much a hot topic on capitol hill earlier today. >> reporter: by all appearances it's a top secret program tha

it's easy to see why the post was declared a historic landmark. everywhere you look, you're surrounded by the proud tradition of the marine corps. >> what's interesting about the flag you see flown here this evening is it has 15 stars and 15 stripes. and when the barracks was founded in 1801, there were actually, at that time, 15 states in the union. hence, the 15 stars and the 15 stripes. >> this special flag is only flown here and at maryland's fort mchenry, birthplace of "the star spangled banner." >> the barracks was established to defend the nation's capital, and it's because this is the oldest post of the corps, because most of our history comes from this place from the 19th century, we started holding parades to show people what we're all about. >> good evening, ladies. welcome to marine barracks, washington. >> every friday evening over the summer, the public is invited to visit the post to watch the evening parade. >> what's really nice about marine barracks, washington, is that we treat all of our guests with the utmost respect. they rece

nbc news learned under the post 9/11 patriot act the government has been collecting records on every telephone call made in america. not only foreign calls. that's causing howls of outrage on twitter and by members of congress who have voted to continue the surveillance program. it's an enormous collection of data stored in giant national security agency computers for the last seven years. logs of telephone calls and their durations. not names and not recordings of what's said unless the government has a specific threat and asks permission to go back and check a number and then eaves drop. all approved repeatedly over the years by congress say defenders of the plan. >> within the last few years this program was used to stop a program -- excuse me, stop a terrorist attack in the united states. we know that. it's important. >> reporter: it all became public because of a leak in "the guardi guardian" a british paper which published this report from april telling verizon to turn over e intelligence records. it was a three-month renewal similar to renewals against all phone carriers. >> i

currently on assignment for the "washington post." and a fellow at the century foundation and a very, very busy man. thank you for helping us understand that. stay in touch with us as this unfolds. >> i will, indeed. you know that guy who called me a traitor, i had him come to my princeton class i taught on secrecy and we had a great time. >> and did he recant? >> he said, maybe traitors aren't all bad. >> very good. and then he killed you. all right. we'll be right back. asional have constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating? yes! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues... with three strains of good bacteria. [ phillips' lady ] live the regular life. phillips'. [ phillips' lady ] live the regular life. a brand new start. your chance to rise and shine. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you can do just that. with our visionary cloud infrastructure, global broadband network and custom communications solutions, your business is more reliable - secure - agile. and with re

the post covers, the only thing i remember is when he would do one, this was one with a young girl. you couldn't be sure if she was a girl or boy. he got real overspill of letters on not so much on that he should have been clear about the gender, but that what was he doing making a girl look so sloppy? or what was he doing making a boy look so connected to girlish things. which i find fascinating. >> how many biographies have been written about norman rockwell. >> in the conventional sense soup to nuts biography. this is the first one. there are several partial stories, and he wrote an auto biography in 1959. >> how did you go about doing this? >> well, when i became very serious about it, and realized i was determined it was a life i wanted to pursue. i wrote his middle son, tom rockwell. and asked if we could meet. expectingexpecting it would be a drawn out year-long process. often it is. to my shock i got an immediate response to see him in new york. >> what is he doing? >> a writer of children's books. and his wife is an illustrator. they live on a farm they've had for some year

the post, susan rice to the national security adviser, not requiring confirmation.f i've ever seen a more rational security team, i can't imagine who it would be. >> well, i do know that the chances of us bombing syria has gone way up, a western intervention in syria's much more likely. this is a signal that the interventionist approach taken in libya is very likely now to be put forward in syria. there's a genocide there already, and samantha powers, that's her portfolio, her professional life talking about how the west in particular should use power to intervenn. shements -- she wants it, susan rice wants it, she's very hawkish on that stuff. we can expect to see more of that from this administration. >> my colleague did not want to use that word, i did, which is radical. [laughter] when you have the things that have been written and said by samantha power, it is stupid that there's not an outcry as shy moves towards taking up the post in the united nations. do you agree with that? >> she, at one point, argued for a policy of a u.s. mea culpa around the world, and

it's a different company from the one that sold off post. it's a company that's much more focused on the u.s. grocery business. we know they are looking for acquisitions with cash flow to take over more aisles in the supermarket. post fits the bill. then there is this new heinz at berkshire hathaway. the heinz ceo said the goal of the deal is to make his business into a quote, bigger, more global food company. this is one i think is the most likely, pinnacle foods, one of my new favorites, a stock my charitable trust owns. it's a recent ipo. it specializes in revitalizing older brands like raisin bran? bird's eye. duncan hines. post is like really old. pinnacle has stated it wants to grow its shelf space, which post would like let them do instantly. i think this deal makes a ton of sense. as a matter of fact, i know they're a close viewer of the show. just go do the deal. how much would post be valued? we get 3.1 billion enterprise, $63 a share. let's go more conservative. based on what conagra paid, $53 a share. here's the bottom line. in a

and i'd like to also comply with the captains request to have events posted on the premises just post a notice saying with the fire department's will be in the next coming weeks and two security guards minimum >> i don't know your screening process because when you do a hall for rent - i mean when we used to represent they have to have 3 references from san francisco. you've got to be careful when you have the security be the management you kind of set yourself up. the thing is if they're not doing their job fire them and do someone else. but also doing pro-active on the outside may be one neighbor is not effected but two neighbors are effected just a security guard to move people along. when they leave they leave no loiters. my thing is - i'm sorry you're going to have to sit down >> the comment i'm making is definitely there handbag has to be a methane actual manager that the police can go to if there's a problem. second there has to be a sound tech there. that person better cap that sound at the present time, or they're going to get a ticket. anybody you bring in there it all goes

the fbi, national security agency are doing it, according to a report in the "washington post" and britain's "guardian" newspaper, they have been doing it for the last six years. part of a highly classified, never before disclosed intelligence gathering program code named prism. according to the reporting it began during the bush administration but has grown sharply, exponentially, during the obama years. the fbi and nsa vacuuming up your e-mails, online pictures, audio, video, by tapping directly into the servers of those five companies i mentioned, plus microsoft, pal talk, aol, skype, apple and soon, according to the "post" dropbox. the post and guardian reporting that prism use the data feed as raw material for a massive data mining operation aimed at spotting patterns that might provide early warning of a terrorist attack. as we said, it comes hard on the heels of the revelation the guardian newspaper and elsewhere that must be giving any one of the tens of millions of americans who use a verizon cell phone a chill. word that the fbi and nsa asked for and got a secret court order giving

this is being reported right now in the "washington post" and in the guardian, spencer. basically, it is about a program called prism. the nsa and fbi are tapping into the servers of nine internet companies, the code name is called prism. established in 2007 and nine internet companies are participating microsoft, yahoo! google, face tack, aol, skype, youtube and apple. information collected is audio, photos, e-mails, documents and collection logs. i want to read this part about it. analysts who use the system from a web portal at fort need key in selectors or search terms designed to produce at least 51% confidence in a target's foreignness. apple has told our colleagues they deny they have anything to do with this. they do not know what prism is. what is your reaction to this after the day after we have this huge scoop about nsa and verizon, this about prism. what is going on here? >> my first reaction was, you've got to be kidding me? what is happening here? i have to say i was baffled by some of the things i read in this story, at least in this story about the collec

while all major newspapers like the "washington post", "new york times" and "l.a. times" are struggling to stay current to support new advertising models, and many are closing strategic heroes to let seasoned reporters go to impair the process but replacements like "politico" and others are working to fill the void. many ceased publishing hard copies finding that they cannot compete but interestingly enough felons paper is the exception. and one of the only ones in the country's thriving on the hard version and a newspaper delivery. but take note. when angelina joe lee chose to tell her dramatic medical story and she chose to tell it to the world she picks in your times i think it has something to do with credibility. and certainly cable news and radio has spent many more jobs than the networks ever dreamed and i was starting out but no one has put together the marriage of content of technology better than the huffington post giving writers and reporters and editors a platform was creating a successful business model. and the reinventing of these professional skills

and nevere it twice won. >> the huffington post, how much competition you win at politico with the huffington politico is in competition with everybody. i would not eliminate everybody. we have political coverage. -- primary dish and is difference is that the huffington post covers everything, health, divorced people, environmental issues, comedy, politics, sports, everything. clinical covers one thing. they do that on purpose and try to do the best at that one thing. so our politics coverage competes with any politics coverage. their job as a news organization is broader than ours, which has advantages for them. they will get people interested in reading about the forces on their divorce page and we will not. on the other hand, we dedicate s.re resources to our here is, they, are now doing 12 hours a day of video from 10:00 in the morning to 10:00 at night, east coast time. let's watch a little bit of coverage. the internal revenue service has publicly apologized for targeting tea party groups with increased scrutiny, looking into their tax exempt status in the 2012 election. an investigatio

the list is larger than the ones in the past >> well, the one event it the post event where the suspect had killed his mother and the officers had to take the suspect out so that's the main body of names we're all related to the post street event. >> it's a very impressive long list. >> i scoured the list so i'm glad to see them being recognized >> any public comment regarding this metal of valor list for our officers. hearing none public comment is closed >> all in favor. >> i have a question on one of these i'm not going to vote ii have a question. >> do you want to ask your question. >> no, it's off-line because of confidentiality. >> there was a motion on the floor to adopt the awards recommendations and the motion was by two commissioners. i'll take the roll call now >> (calling names) that is passes four to one. >> thank you very much please call the next line item. >> public comments on alma mater closed session on vote whether to hold item 8 in closed session. >> any comment before we go into closed session and whether to item 8 with the attorney-client and with regard to the, i

at the huffington post we launched an app called gps for the solul.it gives you a personalized guide that helps to course correct. that snake in the garden of eden, hyper connectivity with technology is so widely that we have to be even more widely and use technology in order to disconnect from technology. [laughter] when we are in place of wisdom, harmony, and strength, life is transformed from struggle to grace. we are suddenly filled with trust come in matter how many setbacks, challenges, and disappointments we are facing. that is a purpose to life is often hidden and that often makes sense only when we look back in our life, not as we are experiencing it. basically, when we moved to that place of trust and race, we as onee our life suggested, as if anything is rigged in our favor. the tempo well-being, wisdom, wonder and the last element, empathy, compassion, the willingness to give back. the founding fathers wrote about the pursuit of happiness. if you go back to the original document, as i'm sure you all have done, happiness does not mean the p

owner of the canada post boxes, who happens to be the post master general in ottawa. they take them over a week period and canada post has a contractor go out. we have two kinds of mailboxes in canada. one are the drop boxes that the mail carriers use, those are the gray ones that are mostly getting tagged: other ones red letter boxes where you are dropping off your mail. those have been wrapped now and we found very little graffiti on the wrapped boxes. we are quite excited that canada post is going to be changes their policies with respect to the gray boxes and they are actually eliminating them. >> that's what we're seeing in arizona, utility companies, whether it's gas, cable, water, their boxes are being tagged. the utility companies making millions of dollars in profit don't want to pay for the clean up because they consider themselves the victim. >> we started serving tickets on them. >> interesting too as far as the boxes, the can canadian postal service has come up with a very busy deco design that is really, it looks very, very nice but if you put a tag on it

now "the washington post" is responding. ey said -- no one cares about white christians. america, please, wake up. that's the most racist, bigoted statement i have ever heard. >> what sense do you have about his success? >> he's a huge success stofrry. a huge success at fox news. since he left fox news, he might not be on the -- on the tip of everybody's tongue anymore but he's doing quite well. he has a lot of subscribers, tells a lot of ads. he's a multimillionaire. he's a great example of an interesting dynamic of quote/unquote in the media where they're less beholden to the news organizations than they previously were which is that you used to -- what mattered used to be calling up and saying i'm patrick atwood with the new york times. if you had the second part, "the new york times" part, no one wanted to listen to you, you can say i'm patrick abbott if it means something to you. mike allen writes "the morning playbook," he's a great reporter. he could leave politico tomorrow, go somewhere else, and it wouldn't change hi

on the front page of the "huffington post" saying george w. obama. and this one, on "the new york times," some day a young girl will look up inher father's eyes and ask, daddy, what was privacy? and the senate would like to know what this is, because they say it is vital. >> it does not bother me one bit. >> there was a domestic case this wa thwarted because of this. >> the data is just trunk lines and no content. it is put behind a wall. >> i want to bring in the national journal's chris rates and politico reporter maggie hagerman. good to have you here. >> good to be here. >> it seems not totally, but largely a collective lack of outrage on capitol hill about this, partly because many of them voted for the authorization of these programs, so what happens, maggie, in spite of the op-ed columns and the members of congress who are outraged about th this? >> well, i think that there are some members of congress who are outraged about it. we have yet to see the face that is going to merge from congress as to who is going to lead the opposition to this sa

i do think of the post-it note. >> right. exactly. ts that didn't exist five years ago. but they really want to speed up that process, because we move so much faster in the world. right? everything does a. product can become come mod advertised equally. commitization can pine death. they have a short cycle company. they're not building flames which you order years in advance. they're selling products that move quickly. somebody orders it, they expect it in 30 days. they have to be a faster paced company. that's why they're so focused on r. & d. >> thank you so much. we will see you in about a half an hour. >> i think we should tape all our chairs. coming up, the self-described leak behind the internet and under surveillance data, coming up at 7:30 even, we have the exclusive interview of the ceo from 3m. we have a big hour. stay tuned for it. t toujours ♪ ♪ me amour ♪ how about me? [ male announcer ] here's to a life less routine. ♪ and it's un, deux, trois, quatre ♪ ♪ give me some more of that [ male announcer ] the more connected, at

it will eliminate 40 percent of the work force and close have a post offices. what is called for? if you're in the private sector and lose a lot of money you don't get bigger, smaller. >> it will be harder on postal workers, but i don't see any solution other than bankruptcy. you are already at the $15 billion federal debt limit and losing billions of dollars per year in first class mail is declining, we really have no other choice but a brand new model. gerri: in particular before you pointed out but everyone comedic getting on line these days. let me give you to the heart of one of the postal service's biggest problems, and that is the pensions. the obligations to retirees. what does your plan to fix that? >> well, what some defenders of the post office will argue is that they are on an unfair disadvantage to prepay their pension obligations for health care. that is not what the gao or the government accountability office has found. they actually argue that the postal service has met liabilities in the future without these payments and would actually be quite

the great leveling as historians have to find it in the post war era to the 1970's and then that whole process has gone into reverse. we have simply gone backwards to where we were eda, 90 years ago. >> host: some would call that leveling the redistribution. >> guest: some of it was a redistribution but the main driver of this process of equalization in the 1950's and 60's was a reformed economic system. the model capitalism that existed in the 1920's and 1930's was an unequal model of capitalism and took on a very different form so some of the things that drove the process high taxes on the rich, a more profound and effective welfare state, but a lot of it was to do with the way the business organized itself so what we have -- perhaps the most sycophant characteristic of the post for capitalism as the fact the way in which the economy was distributed between profits on the one hand, and wages on the other became much more equals of the process of growth was distributed much more even between the interest of business and the interest of the work force and i think that was perhaps the m