, where's jaycee, i need to talk to her.d right by her. and one of the others was saying, turn around, there she is. he said, oh, my god. you look ten years younger. you look vibrant. it's incredible how you look now. and she's articulate. she's smart. and i know the little girls were kept under wraps, but by all accounts, they have the where withal to certainly catch up quickly in school. and jaycee apparently tutored them through the years. they may be behind, but there's great hope that they'll catch up. >> what a strong resilient woman. and again, michael, we thank you for those wonderful details. brenda, michael, we appreciates it. it. >>> a graduate student at yale vanishes. she was set to be married on sunday. oubl triple, or even quadruple points when you pay with your mastercard card. triple-a members can get even more. better values, best western. for details, visit bestwestern.com. need a lift? hey buddy, i appreciate the ride, you know. no problem. ♪ mind if i take a shortcut? yeah, sure. ♪ i knew the subaru lega

"the chronicle" also report jaycee insists garrido has not raped or molested her, jaycee, in years. this true? or could jaycee be suffering from stockholms syndrome? is she trying to protect her alleged captor? police continue their intense search of the property. what or who could be under the ground in that yard? cadaver dogs picked up a human scent and ground penetrating radar confirmed something, something is down there. now, another dog brought in just today. this one trained to find older human remains. has honed in on the very same exact spot. >> one of the dogs did alert in the same general area as last week's alert. which is also the same general area of the anomaly from the gpr scanning. that's going to be the area that we focus on this afternoon when we begin digging. >> here's brand-new video of today's search. cops ripped up concrete slaps and are feverishly digging underneath them. they found more bones. but investigators do not think those particular bones they just found are human. will they find the remains of two little girls? who went missing in the area? and what

>>> we have urgent news in the jaycee dugard case. little girl kidnapped at age 11, found 18 years later. new today, a bone fragment found where her alleged abductor once lived. this as investigators frantically try to connect the dots trying to figure out whether phillip garrido is responsible for kidnapping other children. >>> plus, an exclusive interview, the father of haleigh cummings talking tough about whoever snatched his little girl in the night. misty failed a polygraph. is ron cummings defending his new bride. call in, the number, 877-tell-hln, e-mail us or text us. your chance to be heard. welcome. this is "prime news." i'm mike galanos. this is just frightening. authorities combing through a pair of properties connected to thep alleged kidnapper and rapist, phillip garrido. found this gruesome discovery, a bone fragment where garrido had once lived. he's accused of kidnapping jaycee dugard when she was 11, holding her prisoner for 18 years. police in antioch, california, etch say he fathered two of her children. what's mo

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i was surprised when i heard jaycee agreed to testify.heard about the stockholm syndrome, this idea you bond with your captors. after 18 years does it surprise you that after a short time being free that she understands what was done to her? >> yes. stockholm syndrome isn't being friends with your captors and wanting to pal around with them. it's a way to cope. realize they are human beings and they are abusive. how to figure not to get hit or abused. so it's not really about being friendly, it's just about -- it's about survival. testifying is the best thing that she can do this is taking back her life. this is her own humanity she's worried about. >> don't you get a sense given the fact she was seen in public and worked for the publishing, the printing company and was seen by other people, that she somehow identified with her captor and had two children with him. >> but the identification -- first she was very young when she was taken. she was taken at a time when you're trying to figure out who you are. if your identity is wrapped up i

jaycee remembers all of us. not only have we laughed and cried together, but we have spent time sitting quietly taking pleasure in each other's company. we are so very grateful to have her home. jon: her aunt says the family hasn't really pressed jaycee for details about what happened in that backyard compound. we will hear more from her later on this hour. first, new questions tonight over why phillip garrido was ever allowed to walk free. this as we get more phiing new details from his previous rape conviction of learn of accusations suggesting he might have been raping girls as early as 1972. claudia cowan has been following this story from our san francisco newsroom. tell us about these new accusation, claudia. >> yeah, jon, turns out phillip garrido has a longer rap sheet than we first thought. police say in 1972 when he was 21. garrido was investigated for drugging and raping a 14-year-old girl. police say these two met near a library in antioch. he gave her drugs and things escalated from there. >> she en

jaycee letters. one classmate, megan doris, felt jaycee's absence during each milestone. >> she didn't have the chance to graduate high school, to have friends, turning, you know, 21 and going to college. i think that's probably been the most haunting. >> reporter: but but angie kiel says in the mid of all of the horror and loss, jaycee unknowingly gave her and other parents an incredible gift. >> this guy walked around the corner, and he said, if you come find my wallet with me, i'll give you $5. >> reporter: that was kiel's son emmitt certainly after a frightening 1992 encounter. emmitt said the man chased him but he got away on his bike. >> practice these things with your family. >> reporter: emmitt was taught to escape through a program in schools called a fighting chance. >> my name is terry. i'm jaycee lee dugard's mother. >> reporter: jaycee's mother helped launch it in her daughter's honor, six years after her disappearance. >> we would put the kids in the trunk of the car and we would lower

a lien misheloff and then jaycee dugard in '91. is the timing one of the big reasons that heir looking at this? mikea was 9, eileen was 9 and jaycee was 11. >> we know that he got off jail in approximately 1988 after serving 11 years of a 50-year prison sentence for committing a rape back in 1976. but you're right, the timing is a coincidence here. well, maybe not. that's what authorities want to look at. but in particular, as it relates to the michaela garecht case, police are looking at that case closely, really for a couple of reasons. if you look at jaycee dugard, she was 11, and michaela garecht, she was 9. you put them side by side, they're almost identical. both blond hair, blue eyes. very similar in appearance. perhaps there's an m.o. there. secondly, you look at phillip garrido, you look at the composite sketch of 20-some years ago and police say there's a striking resemblance between phillip garrido and the composite sketch. and there was a witness to what happened back when michaela garecht was abducted. she was abducted

and also keep in mind, miss molino has pictures of jaycee's two pictures. have been blurred out. but right now, whereas in the past week, we did see a lot of her on tv. now she said she's received death threats. >> let's go to steve kardian, former criminal investigator. why do you think the authorities would zone in on the mo lynn ohs? from what we're hearing from reports, looking for child porn here. >> there's going to be a lot of looking into the background every step that this child took, every contact that she had with anybody, any contact that the garridos had with anybody out in the system. and her actions are extremely -- from a criminal investigator point of view -- insensitive, self-serving and displacement faction. she's trying to divert the attention from her onto jaycee. >> do you think anybody who's been around, knows garrido, police are going to come looking. they're going to ask questions. i think everybody would understand that, right, steve? >> i certainly wouldn't want to align myself with garrido in any way, shape or form at this time,

of joining us from new york, is carl probin, the stepfather of jaycee dugard, he witnessed jaycee's abduction in 1991 and for a time was a suspect in the case. carl, what are your feelings as you watch and listen to katie? >> i truly feel sorry for her. i -- you know, i'm a victim myself, you know, being -- watching the kidnapping and everything, i know how she feels. >> larry: all right. first, obviously, how is your step daughter doing? >> she is doing good. you know, i don't get a report every day. i've been gone for a week doing these shows and everything, you know. and she is doing good. >> larry: have you talked to her? >> i have not. >> larry: you have not talked to her? >> no. she's with a group, and they're taking care of her, and they're getting adjusted, and my wife and daughter are up there, and it's going real slow. i mean, i don't need to be involved in this and disrupt anything. >> larry: what does your wife tell you? >> she's the happiest woman in the world. >> larry: what does she tell you about how your step daughter is doing? >> i'm kind of on the out of the loop out here,

i'm jaycee lee dugard's mother. >> reporter: jaycee's mother helped launch it in her daughter's honor six years after her disappearance. >> we would put the kids in the trunk of the car and we would lower the -- we would actually lower this. we don't latch it all the way. >> reporter: isn't that a little scary for the kids? >> at first it is a little scary for them. but, boy, when they get out of the trunk, they feel really good. they understand what it takes to break wires, what it takes to kick out taillights or what it takes to bang on the top of the roof and really make a lot of noise. >> the training had told me just say no, you don't know this guy. and so i did. >> you just never know what would have happened, but the fact that emmet knew what to do and knew not to even engage in any conversation meant that he is with me now. >> reporter: keil says in this community, where nobody used to lock doors, the training appears to have helped a number of children. now she's overjoyed, knowing the girl who started it all is finally back home. >> i can't imagine what it would be like to g

18 years ago. >> and jaycee is walking up the hill to the bus. >> carl probyn is jaycee's devoted stepfather. you saw the car in this area here? >> it sped up the street, it cut right in front of her. the driver got her. some dust right here, i saw a door fly open real fast. i heard one scream. >> this is 911. >> my daughter was just kidnapped. >> the unthinkable had happened. 11-year-old jaycee brutally abducted by strangers less than a hundred yards from her home. >> she's pretty, young, innocent child. and it's time she comes home. >> police say the man responsible was a registered sex offender. in 1976, phillip garrido was found guilty of kidnaping and rape and sentenced to 50 years in prison he was paroled after serving just ten. while incarcerated, phillip garrido met nancy while visiting an uncle. the two were married before his release in 1988. authorities say three years later, the garridos drove 200 miles to lake tahoe with only one intention. >> a shark doesn't think twice about attacking food and wondering if this is a good idea or not, you know, and neither do these guys. when y

jaycee and the girls and jaycee's mother are all receiving top-notch treatment, both in a physical -- a medical way as well as in a psychological or mental treatment way. so, they are receiving just the best of care. and in addition to that, we've assembled a team of top-notch lawyers to help them with the multitude of legal issues that they face going forward. >> and so, are they then also having to make those kinds of decisions as they're trying to heal as well? i mean, is there a clock that's ticking that is forcing them to make those decisions now? >> well, there's really no clock, but there really are some things that must be dealt with. for example, we have in recent days formally established a trust so that members of the public and others can make charitable contributions to jaycee's well-being and those of her daughters going forward. that's a legal matter that we have to wrestle with. the girls do not have birth certificates, so that's a process that we have now initiated, because so much flows from the possession of a birth certificate here in the united states. so, there's

new developments in the jaycee dugard case.uctor, phillip garrido, bone fragment found near his home. we'll talk about that. also, jaycee's recovery. we're hearing from family that she is so happy. it is just wonderful to hear that. there's the quote. i'm so happy. i feel so happy. before we get to jaycee, i want to get to dr. clarence watson. when we're talking about garrido and whether or not he's involved in other crimes, we know he's a sexual deviant, a predator. do you see him as a murderer? what's the likelihood of that? >> he certainly is capable of almost anything. anyone who can kidnap a child, molest them and hold them for over 18 years, they're practically -- i would argue, capable of anything. the jury will be out at this point as to whether or not he actually is a murderer. >> roger's with us in michigan. roger, go ahead. >> caller: yes. with all the news coverage that i've seen and read in the paper and everything, have they dug under the sheds in the backyard? or under the house? or in the neighbor's yard? >> let

jaycee dugard says she will take the stand against phillip garrido. she wants to testify against the monster who's accused of holding her captive for 18 long years. this could force her to reveal every gut-wrenching and sordid sexual detail in front of the whole world, all while this poor woman is trying to rebuild her life. tonight's big issue, does the criminal justice system victimize rape survivors twice? >>> plus, a celebrity superstar busted for allegedly skipping out on his hotel bill. randy quaid and his wife were arrested in texas, accused of owing a hotel 10,000 bucks. that's a lot of trips to the minibar. and check out these mug shots. quaid says the bill is paid and says the hotel is doing this all for publicity. who do you believe? "issues" starts now. shocking and revolting accusations ignite a firestorm of a family feud. the whole world knows this by now. mackenzie phillips says she had sex with her father, rock legend john phillips. she paints a sickening picture, saying daddy pulled her into a forbidden world of drugs and sex. she rev

>> she looks like jaycee. she is a pretty girl and definitely looks like somebody he would be looking for. i hope she didn't fall prey to him. >> geraldo: did you fear for your life? i mean you must have? >> absolutely. oh, absolutely. i feared for my life when had me and i feared for my life ever since he has been pa roald, i fear for my life. >> stand by. judge janine peer row. it is outrageous. >> it is. >> it is outrageous that he was out. instead of serving 50 years he serves ten years. outrageous that the parole board approved his release. what could he have done to convince them that he should be out? it is outrageous that they were monitoring for 20 or 30 years and didn't even go into the backyard. and outrageous that a police officer gets a call that he is a registered sex offender and there were children in the backyard. >> geraldo: is it twisted priorities in the system? what is it. >> one screaming and hollering that we are harassing the convicted sex offenders. oddly enough in this case, it is exa

specifically, jaycee and the two girls in the backyard police say jaycee dugard lived in a soundproof shed in the backyard held again 18 years forced to bear his children. this is disturbing details emerge about his 1976 kidnapping, admitted drug use and what experts call subconscious signs he wanted to get caught when it was said and done so. much to get to here. we'll take your calls. joining me to talk about it welcome back defense attorney and former prosecutor nicole deborde, michelle golland and sam stanton from the "sacramento bee." anything new on the investigation what's going in on around his home, anything to that effect? >> reporter: right now, they are preparing for a bail hearing for phillip and nancy garrido, to be held monday morning. they are both still in jail refusing all interviews. the investigation is progressing although their antioch home has been closed off. they are not doing anything, any type of search there at this point. right now, they are trying to figure out how they missed so many opportunities to find her over the years. >> let's talk about that real

>> she looks like jaycee.tely looks like somebody he would be looking for. i hope she didn't fall prey to him. >> geraldo: did you fear for your life? i mean you must have? >> absolutely. oh, absolutely. i feared for my life when had me and i feared for my life ever since he has been pa roald, i fear for my life. >> stand by. judge janine peer row. it is outrageous. >> it is. >> it is outrageous that he was out. instead of serving 50 years he serves ten years. outrageous that the parole board approved his release. what could he have done to convince them that he should be out? it is outrageous that they were monitoring for 20 or 30 years and didn't even go into the backyard. and outrageous that a police officer gets a call that he is a registered sex offender and there were children in the backyard. >> geraldo: is it twisted priorities in the system? what is it. >> one screaming and hollering that we are harassing the convicted sex offenders. oddly enough in this case, it is exactly the opposite. anybody they

hear jaycee is alive, and she's found.all so excited. >> reporter: neighbor angie kyle never forgot the blue-eyed girl snatched on her way to school. during the two decades since, sadness and fear have reverberated throughout the community. >> there were tears and they were scared. they should have gn scared. >> reporter: jaycee's fifth grade teacher said classmates wrote her letters. one classmate, meagan doris felt jaycee's absence during each life milestone. >> she didn't have a chance to graduate high school, to have friends, turning 21 and going to college. i think that's probably been the most haunting thing. >> reporter: angie kyle says in the midst of all the horror and loss, jaycee unknowingly gave her and other parents an incredible gift. >> this guy walked around the corner, and he said if i don't you come find my wallet with me, i'll give you $with.00. >> that was shortly after a frightening 2002 en counter. emmett was taught to escape through a program in schools called a fighting chance. >> my name is terry,

and you say to jaycee and you keep saying to jaycee, this was not your fault.ing wrong. and so, you can never erase those 18 years. you can never go back to where we were. but what you can do is create a kind of new normal. and you can help her live a positive, productive life. >> you can't erase the 18 years. but at least you have the 11 years before that. but her two daughters, they didn't have that. they're 15 and 11 years old. and this is the only life they have ever known. is the road to recovery more difficult for them? >> well, i don't know that it's more difficult. but it's certainly difficult. this man, their captor, who had limited their access to the world, denied them the opportunity for education. they've never seen a doctor. but this was dad. now, suddenly, they're going to see him in a very different light. and so, it's important, again, to reinforce with them that they've done nothing wrong. jaycee will play a key role in this because she's their mother. so, it's going to take, again, patience and time, to help these children catch up to where a

you can look down and see where jaycee was imprisoned. actually if you start over here you'll see garrido's house and the fake backyard it goes back a little ways and there's a fence and trees and then a second backyard where those tarps are, that's where the sheds are that held jaycee and her girls. and you can also notice the canopy of trees around that also obscured them. we have a lot to get to this morning p we also have the first pictures of jaycee's daughters. it was taken at a birthday party. apparently garrido began taking the girls out just days before the whole thing came apart when he took them to berkeley. also new court documents from his 1977 kidnapping conviction portray a man who walked the streets learing at girls as young as seven years old. and finally back here at the investigation site police have discovered new and disturbing evidence. last night as investigators condition cluded their search they came up with a gruesome discovery. >> one bone fragment was found it was found on the neighbor's property. >> reporter:

jaycee is alive? she was found. never forgot the blue-eyed girl so violently snatched on her way to school. sadness and fear have reverberated in the small community since. >> there were tears and they were scared. they should have been scared. >> reporter: jaycee dugard's fifth grade teacher said they wrote her letters. one classmate felt jaycee's absence during each life's milestone. >> she didn't have the chance to graduate high school, to have friends turning 21 and going to college. i think that's probably been the most haunting thing. >> reporter: but angie kyle says in the midst of all the horror and loss, jaycee unknowingly gave her and other parents an incredible gift. >> this guy walked around the corner and he said, if you come find my wallet with me, i'll give you 5s. >> reporter: that kyle's son emmitt shortly after a frightening 2002 encounter. emmitt said the man chased him but he got away on his bike. emmitt was taught to escape through a program in schools called a fighting chance. >> my name is ter

i know jaycee very well. she is a mellow person.t kid, never got mad, she is not angry, you know. if this was my other daughter, my other daughter, she wouldn't be here. she would be climbing that fence every day. but jaycee adjusted to this, that's why she is alive. so the same way she adjusted, i think she can get over this, because it's going to be behind her. i think it may take years, but i think she's going to get over this. >> larry: how long were you a suspect? >> well, i talked today, i thought i was a suspect basically until tuesday when they found her. but i find out from the police that i was a suspect for basically 90 days. but nobody told me that. >> larry: you were the one reporting her being missing, right? >> i'm the stepfather, i reported -- the last person to see her. but nobody told me after 90 days i was no longer a suspect. so these last 18 years, you know. >> larry: okay. so this is interesting. katie is living in fear for all these years, once she finds out he's in prison. and you're living all these years as

that jaycee has a mom and that jaycee is their mom and all those factors? it's a really strange scenario because as you can imagine children learn what they live and these kids did not know the conditions they were in. and so now they've come out into this world with more people. there's television and all kinds of fabulous things kids can enjoy and so it's going to be an adjustment period for these kids. they won't know who to trust and my guess is they'll really lean on their mom. >> that picture, all sitting on the couch together holding hands, that makes so much sense here. all right. let's shift gears a little bit and bring in julia. we talked about phillip garrido's past. all right, julia, let's go back to '72. we're hearing now of a 14-year-old girl he drugged and repeatedly raped in a motel room. we know about the accusation on the 1976 case. he was convicted of kidnapping and raping a woman, katy hall. now we're finding out that there was, if we look back into some of the other files on this guy, an hour before he kidnapped and raped katy hall he t

. >>> turning now to jaycee dugard, police searching next door to the home where dugard was held for 18 years found a bone fragment. tests will determine if the bone is humor animal. while the search for the evidence goes organization we're learning more details of jaycee's life in captivity. john blackstone reports. >> reporter: although she and her mother remain in seclusion, neighbors are putting up pink rib upons of welcome. in antioch today, authorities posted signs declaring unsafe, the house where jaycee was held captive for 18 years. and where she gave birth to two daughters, fathered police believe by her kidnapper, phillip garrido. remarkably the two girls, now 11 and 15, show up in a photograph taken a few weeks ago at a birthday party for this woman's daughter. >> they seemed like regular, normal children and they came and had a good time. >> reporter: garrido was with the girls and they didn't stay long. >> he took them home because he said they're not used to this type of surroundings. >> reporter: the surroundings they were used to are shown in the first photos from in

mother terry probyn as well as jaycee. good morning. i know you've had some time to speak with jaycee and the girls. how are they doing now? because when we first reported on her captivity, she was described to us as someone quhofs still very much in shock, needed 24 hour psychological counseling. is she getting better? >> she's doing remarkably well under the circumstances. you have to consider that her entire world has been turned upside down in the last 3 days. i've had the opportunity to spend significant amounts of time with her and i was very pleasantly surprised at what i first encountered and even more pleasantly surprised by what i continued to see in terms of her progress going forward. >> how would you describe her progress? you can give me some examples? >> i really don't want to go into those kind of particulars. the family is very much in what terry referred to as a zone of privacy and security and we want to protect that but do i think that people can take comfort that they are really doing well under the to

jaycee remembers all of us. she is especially enjoying getting to know her little sister, who was just a baby when jaycee was taken. >> that's 19-year-old shana. and the two daughters that the grandma is just meeting, star let, 15, and angel, 11, are described as very intelligent, even though they never went to school. she says they definitely were educated, they were on the internet. she talks about to a local newspaper how they went outside one night and were able to identify some constellations. tina dugard says terry who is jaycee's mom, she has moments of spontaneous joy this is a wonderful quote. we will be talking and she will just burst into happy tears with a big smile on her face you can imagine what that's like for that family. >> so long coming though, such delayed gratification there, but better now, better now than never. chris, thanks. >>> as ted kennedy battled brain cancer, he worked relentlessly on his memoirs. >> the first excerpts are now being released answer opens up about the fear he felt

jaycee lee is my daughter.me and my two daughters brittany and sara lee. my friend told me that susan had the baby and the baby even looked like me. >> back to our guests robin sax, prosecutor and author. former da specializing in sex crimes and psychologist author of "cult of celebrity" cooper lawrence. to both of you, let me give you a background. i did speak with this man, ken slayton. he claims he had a brief relationship a month relationship with jay krooe's mom, they broke up, he didn't even know she was pregnant. she never contacted him. he didn't know about jaycee until the fbi came to his house when she was kidnapped and said you're a potential suspect. we want your dna. he was more than willing to and, in fact, gave his dna. he's never heard back from them, never heard that jaycee was found. so, robin sax, from a legal standpoint, what do you think this man should do? he's coming forward. he's willing to take a dna test. >> well, being willing to take a dna test and asserting parental rights and wanti

i was wondering, with jaycee dugard, there were five girls.and i was wondering, wouldn't she know the other two girls or have some knowledge in reference to those two girls? >> dorothy, you bring up a good point because a neighbor used the number five girls. so, let's clear that up. we're not certain on that. let's bring back henry lee, "san francisco chronicle." isn't that the account, a neighbor said they thought five girls were in this backyard? all we know of for sure is jaycee and her two daughters, right. >> that's right, mike. jaycee has preliminarily told investigators that she knows of no other potential victims. now, keep in mind we don't know who that fifth person was. it very well could have been phillip garrido's mother, suffering some illness or a neighbor child, we just don't know who that person was. >> good point. henry, how much contact has jaycee had with investigators, do we know. >> i'm sure it's been limited. we haven't been told how much she's told investigators, mike. obviously it's a sensitive time. they had to give he

jaycee remembers all of us. she is especially enjoying getting to know her little sister who was just a baby when jaycee was taken. >> larry: now what do you think the idea of a registry that we all know where they are? after they're paroled? or served their time? >> i guarantee you not one of them is living next to you in beverly hills and not one of them is living next to me in greenwich, not one of them is living next door to me in naples, florida. the question has to be, if you would not be comfortable paroling this person to live next door to you -- >> larry: everything goes back to you? >> no, everything goes back to common sense. everything goes back to common sense. sure, it's wonderful to feel that the human condition can be changed, the mind can be rewired, everybody can do better, you can change everybody and the truth of the matter is based upon my 40 years' experience in the justice system and added to that, my husband's 45 or 50 years in the system, we know that there are certain people that are ju

jaycee dugard is getting reacquainted with her father.ther said she was reunited with her mother and a team of psychologists and several law enforcement officers is with them helping dugard and her two children adjust to the outside world. more details were shared last night with cnn's larry king. >> she's with a group and they're taking care of her and they're getting adjusted and my wife and daughter are up there and it's going real slow. she says she's doing great. she looks really young for being 29 years old. she looks almost the same as when she was kidnapped. she's healthy. she's smart. >> 18 years ago he witnessed dugard's abduction as she walked to a bus stop in lake tahoe on the california/nevada line. >>> same-sex couples can say i dos beginning today in vermont. the first day to legalize same-sex marriage through legislation opposed to a court decision. the law took effect at midnight. civil unions were legal in vermont since 2000. four other states allow same-sex marriages. they are massachusetts, connecticut, new hampshire a

shana was only 2 when jaycee went missing. that child has been raised in an extremely unusual circumstance. the father has been kind of the guard out of her, not letting her out of his sight. they had to deal with all the attention on jaycee, shana the younger child was being neglected and voiced some concern about that. now they have a lot of healing to do, and not to mention the fact you have two children by the monster, apparently. >> you make the point in your book that the country is on the cusp of a lot of change mostly because of the growing ranks of hispanics. >> i make the remark in the book that barack obama wouldn't be president today except for the huge surge of latino voters. they were so turned off by the slanderous nature of debate that they abandoned the republican party, flocked to democrat by a 2 to 1 margin and gave barack obama the white house. now we hope there will be some comprehensive reform. more importantly, this book is a celebration of a community that has come of age. it's -- you know, the image of

snatch jaycee.e even gave investigators this sketch 18 years ago, that appears to be very accurate today. and police have no doubt. >> she was a female, identified in the car. she matches that description. >> reporter: who is this woman? according to phillip garrido's brother, nancy and phillip met when he was in leavenworth prison. she was there to visit her uncle. nancy and phillip wrote each other love letters. and they married in october 1981. he would not be released from prison for another seven years. but most think he got off easy, in the more lenient 1980s, only serving 11 years of a 50-year sentence. after phillip's release, police say the two conspired and abducted jaycee, beginning 18 years of hell for the little girl and her family. one of nancy's many legal dilemmas involves what she did with jaycee during the five months phillip was sent back to prison for violating parole. that was in 1993, two years after jaycee was kidnapped. >> if she was there alone with the girl for an extended

with tina and that jaycee has a mom and that jaycee's their mom and those factors?> it is a strange scenario because as you can imagine children learn what they live and the kids didn't know the conditions they were in. and so now they have come up into a world with more people, there's televisions and all kinds of fabulous things that kids can enjoy, and so it is going to be an adjustment period for these kids. they won't know what to trust and lean on their mom. >> yeah. that picture all sitting on a couch together holding hands, that makes so much sense here. let's shift gears a little bit. julia, go back to '72. hearing the 14 girl she drugged and repeatedly raped in a motel room. no accusation on the 1976 case. he was convicted of kidnapping and woman katie hall. now we're finding out that there was -- we look back in to some of the other files on this guy and an hour before that he kidnapped and raped katie hall, he tried to abduct another woman. >> that's right. >> i mean, when you see this, i want to read you a quote to get your take on it. this is from the

mains, about her relationship with jaycee and jaycee's daughters over these past 18 years? what light has she shed on that matter? >> well, what she has said -- what she said that i can tell you about is that there came a time when she felt like they were a family and that she loves the girls very much, and she loves jaycee very much. and that seems a little strange given the circumstance. but that's what she has said to me. >> did she explain to you how jaycee ended up in her home, in phillip's home, to begin with? >> that, i think, invades attorney/client privilege, and i can't really talk about that. >> well, let me talk about what authorities have said. they claim, as you know, that she was the one who snatched jaycee off the street in 1991, that her husband, phillip, was the one driving the car. and authorities also say despite the fact that phillip garrido has pled not guilty in this case, that he did admit to his parole officer prior to the arrest that he, indeed, did kidnap jaycee. so given all of that, how can you possibly argue that your client didn't know what wa

the jaycee dugard case. this is a girl kidnapped at the age of 11, allegedly held captive by this convicted rapist and his wife for 18 years, bore two daughters, finally found and freed. you're a mother. you're a grandmother. you're a judge. give me your read. >> well, first of all, i don't think she allegedly was kidnapped. she was kidnapped. and i -- >> larry: well, he's the alleged person. >> he's at legend -- there are things that we know -- >> larry: i didn't say she was allegedly -- i said allegedly held captive -- >> and there's no question she was held captive. she's 11 years old. she's held captive. the only question is who did it. and -- >> larry: we kind of think this guy may have done it. >> yeah. we kind of think he may have done it. >> the thing that should outrage people is he was out of prison. and you and i have talked about that before. so i was thinking, and i said i have to kvetch, call and kvetch to larry. parole boards have to say to themselves as every person in the criminal justice sy

in shawn and jaycee's case they're 11. very early on we learn the person that takes them gets very good control over these children. it's just fear. one reason why i don't ask him because he's pretty well explained it to us. within the first 30 days he had to beg for his life. not only his life, our life also. we learned that numerous time he was told f you don't do what i say or if you try to escape or try to contact your family, not only will i kill you, i'll kill your family also. >> you've mentioned how important the health care professionals, the psychologists will be to helping jaycee and her two young girls who, as i understand, they -- they have no idea what's going on. they believe -- they've heard their father is in prison and they don't understand that he was their mother's kidnapper. so there's a lot of explaining to do there. but you say that shawn has been able to make a complete recovery. does he have nightmares still of the years he spent in captivity? does it come back at certain points in his life? >> ver

of jaycee's disappearance. now eight years later this community is walking it backwards. symbolizing they've come full circle and jaycee has come home. >> to be able to walk backwards in a parade because your friend is found alive. rirchlgt in the year sense jaycee vanished this community has held its children tighter. >> constaptly trying to find out where she is and reach out for her hand. >> reporter: that fear, even more real for edwards. the week before dugard disappeared, edwards says she told her parents a car with a man and woman inside followed her home from the bus stop. >> i remember hearing the tire tracks pull on to the dirt road behind me, and freaked me out, and i remember walking faster, hearing the tires go faster. that made me even more scared, and so then i ran home. >> we just thought it was a 10-year-old being overly dramatic and didn't really believe her, actually. >> reporter: edwards says at the time she immediately recognized sketches of the car and the woman suspected of involvement in

that's tonight coming up on 9 w >>> today we are learning more on what happened to jaycee lee dugard during her kidnapping nearly 20 years ago. we have the latest information from los angeles. >> reporter: the last time she was seen was 1991. 11-year-old jaycee lee dugard was at the bus stop near her house in south lake tahoe when she was dragged in to a car, allegedly by phillip and nancy. >> i pushed her down on the floorboards, threatened her and took her straight away to antioch, california. >> reporter: former san francisco prosecutor michael car doze is a says police sources tell him it was years before jaycee lee dugard was allowed in public. >> they put her in the backyard in a tent or one of the outbuildings back there. they left her in that backyard for 3 1/2 years before they let her get out in to public. >> reporter: but in 1993, two years in to the ordeal, phillip garrido spent one month in jail on a parole vacation. during that time it is believed that his wife was in charge of jaycee lee dugard and when phillip garrido got out of jail it is believed that's when he fear

so i've written it between june and when jaycee was found.ain message that i want to get out, with all of the media coverage is, i want to get a message out to michaela, if she's out there somewhere, i want her to know we're still looking for her and i want her to know that there's nothing that happened to her that could have changed my feelings to her and there's nothing that happened to her that we cannot overcome. i thought maybe jaycee stayed where she was because she had children. and the bond to her children and wanteding to protect them was so strong. and if that's the case with michaela, i want her to know that she doesn't need to choose between coming home and taking care of any children she may have. she can bring the children home and we will take care of them. >> sharon, you have new hope, you want to hope, you want to believe. are friends encouraging that or are they telling you to temper those thoughts right now? >> everybody is universally encouraging. i haven't had anybody tell me that i should not get my hopes up. >> sharon,

jaycee remembers all of us.ngeis especially enjoying ogtt t know her little sister who was just a baby when jaycee was taken. >> dugard's aunt calls jaycee a remarkable woman who raised two beautiful daughters. >>> just ahead on the "morning news," a check of the overseas markets in our "moneywatch" report. plus, man bites man. a protestor loses a finger at a health care rally. >>> first, jeff glor has a preview of tonight's "cbs evening news" oig. >>> a new government report is expected it show that tenses of thousands more americans run employed. asures they're taking to land t a job tonight only on the c"cbs evening news". ...and i smoked for 29 years. the one thing about smoking - is it dominates your life, and it dominated mine. and the sad thing about it is that you can always use an excuse if cigarettes don't kill me, oh well - something else will. but, you can't use that as an excuse. i honestly loved smoking, and i honestly didn't think i would ever quit. it was very interesting that you could smoke on

the jaycee dugard case. a girl kidnapped at age 11, allegedly held captive by this convicted rapist and his wife for 18 years, bore two daughters, finally found and freed. you're a mother, you're a grandmother and you're a judge. tell me. >> i don't think she was allegedly was kidnapped. she was kidnapped. >> he's the alleged person. >> larry: i said allegedly held captive. >> and there's no question she was held captive. she was 11 years old. she was held captive. the only question is who did it. >> larry: and what kinds of things these may have done. >> i think the thing that should outrage people is that he was out of prison and you and i have talked about that before. so i was thinking, and i said, i have to fetch to larry. parole boards have to say to themselves as every person in the criminal justice system involved in the system has to say to themselves, the safety of the community is our primary responsibility. rehabilitation is second. because rehabilitation as far as we know hasn't worked in the va

jaycee dugard wants to testify against phillip garrido. she wants to testify against the monster who was holding her captive for 18 long years. tonight's big "issue," does the criminal justice system victimize rape survivors twice? >>> plus, a celebrity superstar busted for allegedly skipping out on his hotel bill. randy quaid and his wife were arrested in texas, accused of owing a hotel 10,000 bucks. that's a lot of trips to the minibar. >>> tonight, jaycee dugard's family plots their own version of revenge. on her alleged rapist phillip garrido. get this, jaycee's stepdad says he can't wait to write garrido taunting letters while garrido is locked up. he says, "i will be telling him how our family is doing. that we areas disney world or out having dinner laughing, having a wonderful time." he witnessed the garrido snatch of jaycee off the street in 1991. here he is just days later. >> watched the car go up the hill. and i saw my daughter making the curve up there. all of a sudden the car darted across the road, cut her off. i saw the doo

he believes that jaycee is probably going through the same thing. you're brainwashed. it's as simple as that he explained. shawn's mother says it's crucial that those in jaycee's life understand her. >> reassure her that this is their fault and they're not damaged goods. >> reporter: from the sounds of it, that's exactly what's happening. >> not only have we laughed and cried together but we spent time sitting quietly taking pleasure in each other's company. >> reporter: the difference between these two cases is that jaycee's imprisonment lasted far longer than shawn's and she was forced to bear two children to her alleged captor and raise them herself. phillip garrido is expected back in court with his wife again next week while somewhere jaycee and her two daughters try to adjust to brightness of their new lives after spending so much of their old ones in the dark. >>> it's now ten minutes after the hour. time for a check of the rest of the morning headlines. >> we'll turn it over to jeff rossen at the news desk. >> we're going to begin in the philippines where a dra

one of which was jaycee dugard.sk as they went by, phillip said to nancy, ooh, ooh, i want that one. she's cute. her, her. >> reporter: the next day, the garridos went back and grabbed jaycee as she stood alone at the bus stop. patty kaufman, cbs news, los angeles. >> no word on how long the additional testing on the recently discovered bones may take. >>> and new details in the alleged serial killer in wisconsin. >> reporter: the wisconsin justice says they could have prevented at least one of the nine deaths. walter ellis was arrested this weekend after dna evidence gathered at his home linked him to a string of cold case homicides. the department of corrections says it obtained a tissue sample from ellis in 2001. they were supposed to transfer the sample to the department of justice's crime lab, which would have developed a dna profile. but they never received it. ellis is believed to have carried out nine strangulation murders since 1986. back to you. >> the homicide task force unit poured through more than two

with jaycee's daughters? >> i would preface this by saying, you know i've been in this case now for five days, have seen no evidence whatsoever. and i've had an hour and a half or so with my client in an attorney-client interview room talking through the glass. so it's not really conducive to opening up a dialogue. having said that, she has said to me that she misses the girls. that she loves them. and in her feeling was that they'd become a family. >> wow. >> seems a little strange, but that was it. >> is she cooperating with the police and the prosecutor? >> we haven't been asked to cooperate with anyone. >> interesting. would you describe her right now -- just from these five days and the hour and a half that you spent with her -- as an accomplice or as a victim? >> well you're asking me to formulate a defense strategy after five days with -- and with no evidence. and i can't do that. if i'm asked to pick one of the two, i would say victim. >> has she talked at all about why she was with this man? how they