any nato resolution. any nato statement represents the collective will of all the members unless everyone agrees. nato does not release a statement. that's why there's no voting inside nato. there is vito's inside nato . there needs to be unanimous union and maybe inside of nato, but anything that you hear coming from a nato summit, a needle meeting means that every single member has agreed upon every single word in that statement. now, let's say for example, a mechanism is created to kick a member outside of nato. first of all, they, we at it that mechanism. you would have to had nobody fetal, it, it would have to be a unanimous decision to create a mechanism to kick someone out. and then let's say that mechanism is created, let's say inside of that mechanism is a 2nd mechanism saying, the country that is going to be kicked out doesn't get a quote that would still required all $29.00 other states to unanimously agree. i'm taking that other member state out. so as you can see a, the probability, the possi

that's the us, is that what makes nato nato? that's why you can't kick church outside of nato. that's why you can't get another country outside are made up. because everything always needs to be unanimous, that's why only someone can lead. because if someone wants sleep, that is their own free will to leave. and again, as i'm say, there being no mechanism is only the simplest answer. i believe this is a much more deeper understanding that shows what the essence of nato is and how the whole understanding of even being able to check. so an act, even the process of trying to kick someone out is the most anti nato. think the most 80 nato thought, ah, one can, one can come up with, ah, coming up next pressure mounts on nato members to arm ukraine. will president or no one came into western pressure will have more with use of era when we return them out. we'll be right back. ah, ah. at the end of the 18th century, britain began the illegal opium trade in china. these hard drugs causing addiction and literally destroying the human body became a gold mine for business men from the fogg

the country is a member of nato. and if nato will defend and answer, you know this is a very , very good question . missiles. we all know that ukraine uses its missiles only to repel russian aggression. of course, everyone knows. you know that every nato country is protected by its base, and of course it is the union, but the protected base is national defense . we all know that it is very well. we understand that we are on the border with a country that happens to be with russia, uh , the question is not put that way, there are , for example, a large number of ukrainian refugees , i know all this very well, uh, you know that we are at the official level, we are not at the official level, we are at the official level, romania is at the official level , nothing , it is not a charge. and they don't talk about it openly. well, the league is preparing their best scenario , eh , we are interested in moldova, you know , not in any way. romanian citizens, we know what we are we know romania officially as a citizen, we know

today, nato is spreading the method of warfare not only nato but all states and russia, too, today isto rebuild a system of network-centric warfare. this is when communication and control are carried out in direct and, well, online mode, information is collected from various sources , this information is processed, this information is communicated to each commander in real time in the amount he needs. it's very complicated, of course, uh, the problem, uh, is to collect a huge amount of information , process it, distribute it to each according to its intended purpose and distribute its time, but nato solves this problem. it is very expensive. this is a very complex technical that will probably be carried out. uh, yet, well, it can't be decades, maybe two, because some technical means, like communication, uh, five gs or what? red things, he is still just so to speak, begins to develop to take shape. well, uh, while the old elements are also present. so the planes were mentioned, the training of pilots. how after all, it’s really fast to prepare enough of their number of ukrainian pilots

he wanted less nato. he has got more nato.orter: but the longer the war drags on, the greater the risk of uncontrollable escalation for all of its newfound strength and purpose. the conflict in ukraine remains a balancing act for nato. brent: the united nations says that since the invasion began last february more than eight new ukrainians have left their homeland. so, where are they now? let's look at the map and find out. topping the list, and this may come as a surprise, 2.8 5 million ukrainians have fled across the border into russia. number two, poland, which we know has been a very supportive neighbor, it has seen an influx of more than 1.5 million ukrainians in the last year. then in germany, more than one million ukrainians arrived in the country since the war began here in the capital, berlin, we have seen 100,000 ukrainians registered. then of course there is the czech republic, it has taken in 500,000 ukrainians. that makes about 5% of its entire population. i mean, that tells you the magnitude we are dealing with.

is that they support nato and therefore support nato friends, receiving something in return in a transactionalway. that is, it resembles the foreign policy of donald trump, although , unlike trump, erdogan really values ​​nato and appreciates its strategic importance for turkey quality strategic importance of turkey for nato and for those of us who were brought up in nato during the cold war our thinking has always been based around the idea of ​​one for all and all for one we are a community of values ​​we defend democratic and economic freedoms and we must be on the side of what is morally correct agrees with this and nevertheless emphasizes the difficult situation of its neighbors, saying, look at our borders, here is syria, iraq, the south caucasus , and across the black sea, also russia and ukraine and our approach is somewhat different, the turks have been at war with russia like no other since the ottoman empire, we have so many economic relationships. we want to be a valuable mediator, because we are against war, this position is very similar to the german one, and as we said before, g

his approach to nato is that they support nato and therefore support nato friends by getting somethingin return f transactional way. that is, it resembles the foreign policy of donald trump, although unlike trump, erdoğan really values ​​nato and values ​​its strategic importance for turkey, quality, strategic importance of turkey for nato, and for those of us who were brought up in nato during the cold war , our thinking has always been based on the idea of ​​one for all and all for one, we are a community values, we protect democratic and economic freedoms and we must be on the side of what is morally right, erdoğan agrees with this and still emphasizes his difficult neighboring situation, saying , look at our borders, here is a series of iraq , the south caucasus, and across the black sea , russia and ukraine therefore, our approach is somewhat different , the turks fought russia like no other since the ottoman empire, we have so many economic relationships we want to be a valuable mediator because we are against war, this position is very similar to the german one and as we already

well, it probably stands with russia , that is, it is approaching nato. well, it will be in any case and then regardless it will show in the future and tell me, as a professional, i am not worried about it, it is contradictory that , on the one hand, security can only be established through the euro-atlantic integration of ukraine, and on the other hand, you are absolutely correct in saying that now the political will to solve this issue does not exist in nature, even if you imagine the position of certain nato member countries, it is obvious that it is not shared by all the member countries of the alliance. what we see is that all nato countries support ukraine. and the first step. i think it is so that ukraine can really defend itself. and in the future so that russia is restrained, so that she can't sour ukraine's victories again, not in this war , she can't attack individual er-er again . that russia will be able to quell its ambitions when they see that the civilized world is not going to get tired of supporting ukraine, i congratulate the distance,

we used diplomatic research on nato and ukraine and it ended in a complete disaster. in nato and thatht to choose their own destiny and that russia should not have the right of veto, they used to say that the ukrainian population is too divided regarding membership in nato until 2014. you definitely could make such an argument look at the numbers now according to one recent poll support for ukraine's membership in nato is now massive at 83%. the ukrainians must be given everything they need to put an end to this war and start the process of accepting ukraine into nato boresh johnson prime minister of great britain 2019-2022 valentine boris johnson or as they say johnsonyuk he is a true friend of ukraine and the words he says of course, we are happy to see if you agree with what he said about nato's position . social forces and political institutions, and there he talks about the fact that after some social force in order to represent and protect its interests forms some institution, and nato is an institution that arose why? in order to protect countries from a market economy with a d

it nato. this idea that for a more fuel on the fire is a good idea by 70 increasing weapon systems, heavier and heavy weapons systems. there's a lot of opposition to that right now. that does that mean that's going to succeed? we don't know with there's also a couple other things. we have to remember that would bite and came to office, saying number one is going to restore american primacy. but number 2, he's going to go after china and the recent report by the rand corporation about the why the a long war is not in america's interest is very important. just came out and we see this comments by general mini hand saying within 2 years, united states going to be a war with china. and then you've got mike mccall, the head of the house armed services committee, or foreign affairs committee, saying that he agrees with many hand. so clearly their focus that they intended was not russia. they thought they could hurt russia by going after china. and that's the main priority by didn't surround themselv

henry vaughan and disagrees. sweden would be a nato invitees, surrounded by nato members. and have would have finland on its eastern neighbor a, nate, so i wouldn't say would be the worst possible scenario i would say to you. it was significant improvement at the moment. it's the most likely scenario with finland, holding parliamentary elections in april. the current government would like to see a finished flag raised at nato under its watch, and there still a sliver of possibility for a tandem accession, as stalled talks with turkey resume in march and our corresponded terry shows. she joins me now for brussels. she is following developments. we're going to start in finland. terry, this debate that's going on right now. i mean, is this basically perfunctory. i mean, is there anything left to debate as far as the parliament and far as lawmakers are concerned? when it comes to joining nato, we very much know what finish lawmakers think because they had to vote once already on giving the government permission to seek the application for membership. and at that time, they vot

defense ministerial. potent thought that he could divide nato. but his aggression achieved just the opposite. the nato alliance is more united and stronger than i have ever seen him. now we had a very highly productive discussion today on strengthening our collective defense in response to russia's reckless assault on, on ukraine. nato is strengthening, strengthening. it's deterrence and defense in the eastern part of the, the alliance. the united states is also enhancing its presence along the alliances eastern flank. and will maintain a persistent rotational presence in the baltics. so i'm confident that are too proud. democracies will work together to meet any challenge and together will continue to strengthen trans atlantic security and to defend the rules based international order, but keeps us all safe. so thank you very much. and so now we'll take a couple of questions. iraq, please. thank you. johan ester ala from a stone in public broadcasting, ah question to secretary austin, what should the u. s. and a stone and do together to further

it turns out that nato was an organization nato was the most powerful and impressive solid when, in generalre was no need to fight, as a means of balancing the balance, and so on, as soon as the companies began after the ninety-first year, local ones first. now this is such a specific ah. a lot of problems, if efficiency and so on, it turns out, maybe nato is a peacetime alliance in general, but let's remember our leader. mikhail gorbachev, he declared the policy of new thinking, that is, the priorities of the nationwide common global in general people's human human values ​​on national ones. that is, for nato then a serious problem arose. and in general, in a good way, they should have dissolved, as the warsaw pact did. and such a scenario. well, in general, it was likely at some period, but one itself in general. somehow cheered up on peacekeeping operations in quotation marks in yugoslavia a lot of afghanistan and cancer in iraq yes, and in a word, these anti-terrorist peacekeeping operations breathed a second life into nato, nato chiefs and at the country level at the alliance level are

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henry vaughan and disagrees. sweden would be a nato invites each surrounded by nato members. and have would have finland on his eastern neighbor a mate. so i wouldn't say would be the worst possible scenario. i would say see significant improvement at the moment. it's the most likely scenario with finland, holding parliamentary elections in april. the current government would like to see a finished flag raised at nato under its watch, and there's still a sliver of possibility for a tandem accession, as stalled talks with turkey resume in march. turn schultz who filed that report, gave us this assessment on whether the delay in ratification by hungry and turkey. strange needles open door policy as the finished prime minister, santa marine said, that's right. and that was very interesting that she said that with nato secretary general un stilton berg standing right next to her today. and i think that was a very bold thing to say because it again puts pressure back on nato to help finland and sweden overcome these obstacles that aren't even really clear anymore in hungary and tu

the door to nato being. okay. with finland going ahead 1st. if turkey ratifies, so yep, finland actually has a pretty clear path to getting in by the time there's a nato summit this summer. terry, what does a victory of the war in ukraine look like for both speakers and how do they wanted to be achieved? or both of them said that there should be no concessions. i mean, this is, this is the standard policy that they would stand by ukraine and his and sonia martin said it should be up to ukraine to ask europe for what it needs. now i don't think we didn't discuss in, in this panel. you didn't hear them talking about all what the situation would be on the battlefield, for example, but the standard position in, in europe, and in nato. it, it is that it is up to ukraine to decide what the terms are of when it seeks to discuss peace with russia. and i haven't heard anyone say they believed those conditions from moscow side are in place right now. now, terry, today we're going to be hearing from a comedy harris and

nato does not pose any threat to russia and that you started in response to interception.urse, they have a different perception , but i don't really believe that nato has any plan to attack russia we have enough of our problems , we even have too many of them. instead, you should solve your own problems. of course , they have an excellent perception. but i think that we should stick to our arguments for expanding the cooperation zone. threatens, and that is why i believe that the expansion of nato at the expense of ukraine actually increased security and stability in europe. and that is why we should take such a step when there are conditions for this for nato long before it was officially recorded in the documents of the alliance. what other threats can arise after the end war, it will depend on what state russia will be in. after this war , a variety of scenarios of the internal struggle for power in russia may arise after president putin leaves, and he will leave one day how events will develop, we can only guess, maybe it will be a new leader who will come after presid

so, i mean, this is something that, you know, nato is going to have to reckon with here. nato is not nearly as strong as it thinks it is. it has 2 major militaries, the united states and turkey. the rest of it is basically neg, negligible. go ahead, brian. why? this is something that we have to keep in mind as we see all of these weapons plug into ukraine. russian military destroyed the military that ukraine had at the beginning of a special military operation. between that period of time and now nato had sent an equipment from the warsaw pact leftover from the cold war to credit. and that, that was a lot of what we're talking hundreds of times. russia has destroyed that, which is what brings us to today, where they're talking about shipping western named battle times to quote. and these are weapon systems that a lot of people are aware of. take months if not years to incorporate into a, into an army that is not familiar with them. and then when you're talking about something like aircraft, it's even more complex and involved and the timeframe is even longer. so what are they actuall

it's great to be back at nato. let me think the secretary general for gathering all of us and for his steadfast leadership of this alliance during historic and challenging times. >> on behalf of the united states let me again express my deepest condolences nato allies, to the people of turkey and syria and all who are mourning and suffering after last weeks devastating earthquake. i know that all of our hearts are with the families of the victims, and will continue to work closely with our turkish allies to meet the most urgent needs and to try to ease the terrible suffering in the region. let me turn to some of the other business that we discussed today. it's been nearly one year since russia's cruel and unprovoked invasion of ukraine. and nearly a year since putin's reckless war of choice plunged europe into its worst security crisis since the end of world war ii. and the outcome of this tragic and unnecessary war is profoundly important to ukrainian security, european security, and to global security. putin didn

for example, here in estonia, for nato battle groups a year ago, there are now a not nato battle groups. the amount of support that nato nations is taking a bit of time, but the amount of support nato nations and now giving to ukraine. i think that would surprise people a year ago, but there are still question marks. you mentioned the new nato members wants to join sweden and finland. that's still not happened yet. because mainly of some objections from turkey. well, there's going to be a summary about that coming up in the next month to try and resolve that issue with turkey, sweden and finland all attending that summit. but i think the bigger questions are about the end game for this. ready what are all the nato allies on the same page and all they are going to continue of the support that we've seen, the big support we've seen over the last year for ukraine. u. s. forces training in romania, german leopard tanks. in lithuania, british troops on the ground in estonia, and italian jets in the air over poland. the war in ukraine is seen a ramping up of nato forces on the alliance is eas

neighbor in a nato. would not say it would be the worst possible scenario. i would say there is significant improvement. teri: at the moment, it is the most likely scenario. with finland holding part of entry elections in april, they would like to see a flag raised at nato under its watch and there's still a sliver of possibility for a tandem accession as stalled talks with turkey resume in march. brent: that was teri schultz reporting. i spoke with her and asked her about where the debate stands now in finland. teri: we very much know what lawmakers think because they had to vote once already on getting the government permission to seek the application for membership and at that time, they voted on hundred 88 for seeking membership and only eight against. today, in this final reading of the bill, there was still a handful of people who felt like this was their last chance to make a stand against joining nato. there was a couple of speakers in opposition to it. but again, the bill is going to sail throug

other than membership in nato and this july nato summit of freedom.e should open the procedure and membership of ukraine in nato and here, in fact, the question is not so much about the nato countries as the question today about the ukrainian authorities. it was a big mistake of zelenskyi when , after being elected president, he refused to go to great britain for the nato summit. i think it was zelenskyi's mistake when he did not go to madrid last year for the nato summit, but we already have it the way we have it, and today we need to correct these mistakes, that 's why in july in vilnius it should be very, very significant for ukraine, but here we are again focusing on the issue of hungary, oleksiy said it does not have any fundamental levers of influence, no fundamental influence on the leadership positions of nato, but it has the right of a blocking veto and the same is the position of turkey. and it is also unknown how it will react to our initiative to join nato, we are working with these countries. well, in this regard, is it not it is importan

nato allies have never been more united. we will protect every inch of our territory based on our commitment to defend each other. thank you so much. >> thank you very much, mr. secretary-general. ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the part of this event open for media. i kindly asked media to leave the room, please. >> today, a look at u.s.-mexico security cooperation and diplomacy at george washington university. live at 6:00 p.m. eastern on c-span, c-span now or online at c-span.org. >> c-span is your unfiltered few of government. we are funded by these television companies and more, including mediacom. >> whether you live here or right here or way out in the middle of anywhere, you should have access to fast, reliable internet. >> mediacom support c-span as a public service, along with these other television providers. giving you a front row seat to democracy. >> there are almost 80 new members in the 118th congress. this diverse group includes first-generation americans and a record number of women and minorities. c-s

these, these members of nato that are on nato's eastern flank. me. they are on the front line, if you will, against possible russian aggression. how has their role the nato changed since the invasion of ukraine begin? i think that they role has become more relevant and the fact that bite and visited poland for the 2nd time within one year and effect that he met with those leaders a demonstrate that fact. and of course, we also have to say that there is a discussion under way that that could be therefore a shift and a center of gravity. however, when it comes to shaping decisions within nato, some, a western european countries still have a big se. and we also have to had to add to that. those are bucharest, 9 states. they are not always on the same page. let's take hungry fines. since hunger has not delivered any weapons to ukraine, they are at times trying to block sanctions against russia. so at the booker as to 9, they are not always on the same page. and we know the country where you are right now . poland. poland has been very, very clear, and it

so many strong nato allies.n the secretary-general, who i think has done an incredible job, an incredible job for a long time. i can rely on his judgment. this was founded in 20 after russia tried to annex crimea. it's even more important that we continue to try to stand together and i think this is proof of how strong we are. that's why wanted to meet all of you today. you are on the front lines of our collective defense. you know better than anyone what is at stake in this conflict. not just for ukraine, but for the freedom of democracy throughout europe and throughout the world. when president zelenskyy and i spoke in kyiv two days ago the leaders around his table -- they repeatedly stepped up to reaffirm our shared commitment to all of these values. provided critical security assistance to ukraine and critical support to literally millions of refugees. we have helped ensure ukrainians can access basic services and together, we will continue our enduring support for ukraine as they defend their freedom. over

s. mission at nato. okay, well that, that, that's not a lot of detail, but we're gonna take your word on it. okay. i me go back to christopher christopher . you know, that there's this all this talk i, i look at the pages of, you know, like, responsible, say craft anti war dot com, even american conservative and their talk to they talk about an a, some kind of negotiated and what is there to negotiate. i mean, rush has already made it clear what it wants to have happen. and until the west reacts to that, i don't understand what these negotiations are all about. and oh, by the way, i cease fire. well, why would brush you agree, agree to a ceasefire? so nato can build up ukraine again, and they do in 5 years from now. i mean, on the, you know, you know, one of the, all 3 of you, you know, and really disappoints me, is that a lot of smart people over the last year of said really stupid things. i expected more from them. christopher, go ahead. now i would, i would say that you're absolutely correct and not o

most nato countries don't do that yet. but this, this pledge which was made in wales is expires in 2024. and so nato wants to come up with a new formula about how much country should spend on their defense in order to keep nato's capacity at its maximum level. so that's where the discussions are now, they didn't intend to make a decision today, but rather at the summit in vilnius in july. but this is a very touchy topic for, for many countries, including termini. of course, thank about her social sign process. a consortium of investigative reports a says it's exposed a group of israeli contractors who claim to have manipulated more than 30 elections around the world. and forces accused a group of former military officers and secret agents co named a team. jorge of using hacking, sabotage and fake news to influence election campaigns for more than 20 years. he's also accused of manipulating a public opinion for intelligence agencies, political campaigns, and private companies. laura russia is a journalist and founder of for

henry vaughan and disagrees. sweeter would be a nato invites each surrounded by nato members and have would have finland on eastern neighbor, nate, so i wouldn't say would be the worst possible scenario. i would say. see significant improvement at the moment. it's the most likely scenario with finland holding parliamentary elections in april. the current government would like to see a finished flag raised at nato under its watch. and there's still a sliver of possibility for a tandem. accession, as stalled talks with turkey resume in march. and he w corresponded terry sholtes joins me now from brussel. so terry, where does the debate stand now in finland? debate is just getting underway in the finished parliament right now, sarah. and despite the overwhelming support by parliamentarians and the population for finland, going into nato now as quickly as possible. there are a few representatives who will want to state their views. still thinking that this is a bad idea. remember in finland, it was decades and decades of opposition to nato until russia invaded ukraine. this would not have

it is great to be back at nato. will thank the secretary-general for gathering all of us and for his steadfast leadership for this alliance during this historic and challenging time. on behalf of the united states, let me express my deepest condolences to the nader -- the nato ally turkey a --turkiye. i note that all of our hearts are with the families of the victims and we will continue to work closely with our turkish allies to meet with their urgent needs and to try to ease the terrible suffering in the region. let me turn to some of the other business that we discussed today. it has been nearly one year since russia's cruel and unprovoked invasion of ukraine and nearly a near sense -- a year since putin's reckless war of choice plunged europe into the worst security crisis since the end of world war ii and the outcome of this war is profoundly important to ukrainian security, european security, and to global security. putin didn't just assault a peaceful and sovereign and democratic u.n. member state, he threate

nato allies have never been more united. we will protect every inch of our territory based on our commitment to defend each other. thank you so much. >> thank you very much, mr. secretary-general. ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the part of this event

>> i don't think we are the soft underbelly of nato. we not only reassure but reinforce the eastern flank, so the region is increasingly well defended in case of russian aggression that right now focuses on ukraine very much. countries in the region are feeling very strong in terms of support for ukraine, and with the united states leading the way for the whole alliance to provide as much military aid for ukraine so we can deal with russia directly. >> you work in the organization's warsaw office. obviously, poland shares a link the border with ukraine. how threatened do people feel in poland and beyond? >> to be honest, people understand that we now live under the umbrella of not only nato, which is absolutely true, but also the ukrainian armed forces that are fighting the russian military directly. in the beginning of the war, about a year ago, many of us were worried that ukraine might fall, and if that was to happen, we would have russian tanks right on our borders, but because ukraine was fighting so bravely and because the west is

nato let's not forget that if nato were disbanded , the shareholders of the major arms companies in thend other countries would lose many millions, and they would only have one yacht each instead of two, isn't it terrible. new countries and objectionable rulers create an image of the enemy, and wars can be waged only by presenting an enemy to his people. russia again becomes the enemy of sanctions against russia for the alleged annexation of crimea, allegedly its participation in the conflict in donbass onboard one of the few journalists who told the truth about the events in ukraine, his documentary ukrainian agony caused a real shock in the west. forgiveness for these fascist ukrainian fascist situations in ukraine is now virtually not reported at all. it is moving in a direction that europe does not really want to be aware of. but in this europe itself is clearly to blame the us is also to blame, because they brought this country to such a state. american politicians can argue with each other on many issues, but they always agree on one thing. america is an exceptional country, which

he wanted less nato. he has got more ne show, but the longer the war drinks on the gray to the risk of an uncontrollable escalation for all its new found strength and purpose. the conflict in ukraine remains a balancing act for nato. well, let's take a look now at some of their stories making headlines around the world. germany says it's expanding to iranian diplomats after to ran sentencing of an iranian german national to death jumps she'd shar matt was convicted by an iranian court in connection with a 2008 mosque bombing supporters allege he was abducted abroad and forcibly taken to a ram, germany's government has condemned the death sentence, i thought, but had you're more than now. jerry, as presidential candidates are holding their final rallies in the run up to saturdays election. it's considered the 1st poll since military rule, in which a candidate who isn't from one of the 2 main parties, stands a chance bowler meds to new move from the ruling. all progressives, congress a p. c party is favorit

he wanted less nato. he has got more ne show, but the longer the war drinks on the gray to the risk of an uncontrollable escalation for all its new found strength and purpose. the conflict in ukraine remains a balancing act for nato. t w's brussels bureau chief, alexander phenomena who fall. that report is in brussels at the moment. and earlier i asked her to explain how the conflict in ukraine remains a balancing act for nato. well, nature countries have vowed to support ukraine as long as it takes, but of course, they don't want to get directly involved in the conflict they want to say out. and that is why many nato members are against providing ukraine with long range missiles, for instance, or with fighter jets, because they fear that ukraine could use those weapons to launch attacks deep into russian into the russian territory. and they fear that that could lead to an escalation of the war of the conflict. and that is also why many nato members or all of them are a, were that while supporting ukraine

now nato membership has to be applied or has to be approved, sorry, by all members of nato. most of them have actually approved of sweden and finance entry. but countries like turkey have so far refused. now there are various issues why turkey has so far refused in particular, in the case of sweden. and this is something that we will also hear probably today . the finish prime minister in this 1st panel, santa marine, will be probably discussing these issues and talking about why it's important for thin and to be part of this defense community to be part of nato. there is this understanding again, that there is a new role for europe or a different role if you will, because of the war in ukraine and what kind of responsibility not only the you, but also nato will take in these kinds of international conflicts. so certainly a very interesting topic to be discussed today, not the only one, but a very important one indeed. tell us this yesterday we hurdle we heard from some of the, the heavy weights. let's say, what was your main take away from it? yesterday was a very, i would

henry vaughan and disagrees. sweden would be a nato invitees, surrounded by nato members, and have would have finland on its eastern neighbor a, nate, so i wouldn't say would be the worst possible scenario i would say to you. it was significant improvement at the moment. it's the most likely scenario with finland holding parliamentary elections in april. the current government would like to see a finished flag raised at nato under its watch. and there still a sliver of possibility for a tandem. accession as stalled talks with turkey resume in march. august monitor shows father report and she joins me now from brussels. terry, where does the debate stand now in finland? the finish parliament is this afternoon, holding its final debate on finish membership in nato. and this is something that the government wanted to do to get everybody behind its move to join after so many decades of the country being firmly opposed to nato membership. so the public opinion has changed so dramatically that more than 80 percent of people are in favor of joining nato. and the parliamentarians reflect that op

why don't we why won't russia fight nato if nato is already the answer?e military potential of nato and russia is comparable to this, that is, it is not a and, and putin is well aware that there are enough problems. uh , sort it out in ukraine, let alone nato, you listen, do you understand what's the matter? is that amazing? yes, you hear, like a word. they add up to some kind of sentence that have some meaning and you understand it in a strictly opposite way. this puzzle is the opposite. he says that despite the fact that nato, which has incomparable potential with us, but we will not surrender, we will not waver and we will win and we will grind and we will grind everything that is required. this is the first. the second is the thousandth. no. yes, to tell me about my president. it is putin who understands that this is doomed to tell, if we are talking only if they raise the stakes, if it feels like er countrymen michael and say a spare planet for life. i don’t know if there is, but i, for example, have another one there, no other country, no other plan

henry vaughan and disagrees, sweden would be a nato invites each surrounded by nato members. and have would have finland on his eastern neighbor a made. so i wouldn't say would be the worst possible scenario. i would say see significant improvement at the moment. it's the most likely scenario with finland, holding parliamentary elections in april. the current government would like to see a finished flag raised at nato under its watch, and there's still a sliver of possibility for a tandem accession as stalled talks with turkey resume in march. that was to results reporting there. earlier i spoke with terry and i asked her about where the debate stands now in finland. we very much know what finish lawmakers think because they had to vote once already on giving the government permission to seek the application for membership. and at that time, they voted a $188.00 for seeking membership and only 8 against. so today, in this final reading of the bill, there were still a handful of people who felt like this was their last chance to make a stand against joining nato. there was a c

s. mission at nato. okay, well that, that, that's not a lot of detail, but we're gonna take your word on it. okay. i me go back to christopher christopher . you know that there's this all this talk i, i look at the pages of, you know, like response will stay craft antiwar dot com, even american conservative and their talk to they talk about an a, some kind of negotiated and what is there to negotiate. i mean, rush has already made it clear what it wants to have happen. and until the west reacts to that, i don't understand what these negotiations are all about. and oh, by the way, i cease fire. well, why would brush you agree, agree to a ceasefire? so nato can build up ukraine again, and they do it 5 years from now. i mean, on the, you know, you know, one of the, all 3 of you, you know, it really disappoints me. is that a lot of smart people over the last year of said really stupid things. i expected more from them. christopher, go ahead. now i would, i would say that you're absolutely correct and not onl