so in that sense you still won't see brian kemp, you will not hear brian kemp say a bad word publiclyut donald trump. when he's asked about the endorsement and about, you know, his opponent's trump-backed campaign he'll focus on david perdue or the other agenda and he'll say i can't control what other people are doing, i can only control what i'm doing. that's become sort of his standard line. again, you're not going to hear him bash the former president, you won't hear him try to engage in a fight with him because he's not going to win that fight and he doesn't have more twitter followers-- well, he does now, but he doesn't have more e-mail followers on mega that phone that the former president has, but-- >> speaking of stacey abrams winning instead of brian kemp if that were a possibility. what's the democratic party saying as a whole in terms of abrams? is she the individual that they fully support or is there a wing that believes that maybe the democrats could have been more successful in the last governor's race if they had someone who was not as associated, be it perception or f

i voted for brian kemp in the primary. as far as brian kemp, it is a level of trustworthiness that i cannot -- she does not have. the fact that he is hostile toward minorities and women is scary because i remember nathan deal and how he focused on the economy in georgia became the number one state to do business in and we have gone far to the social conservatism rabbit hole but it makes me want to move out of state. host: you are calling on the line for democrats. are you a democrat? caller: i am. i went to -- i want to have a middle-of-the-road approach because the worst case, you get someone who is two -- two far right as opposed to brian kemp who is more in the middle, now that he is not supporting president trump openly it is still hostile towards minorities. host: jessica taylor. guest: she's right in states with the open primaries like georgia, you can vote in any primary and we have seen that in other places where you want the more pandemic -- pragmatic candidate. that is not surprising. she brought up the issue of

a boost against brian kemp. i think this is about decisions that will matter more and governor races because they are the ones that are sending it back in georgia. they have trigger laws on the books that would come into effect. gretchen whitmer in michigan is blocking that. tony ebert -- their law from 1800 would criminalize doctors who perform abortions. so yes. how the issue, especially suburban women, we see that going back to the vote in kansas a couple of weeks ago. it was not an up or down vote, and that is not the case, although it is michigan. it's not as simple as a yes or no question. you have to decide on the candidate, but it showed us that is not the coalition. it was with voters and republicans. they voted to preserve the abortion protection, so it is not just a democratic issue, and in the trump years, republican struggled with college-educated women, and that is where they were bleated. the abortion issue makes that harder. host: talk about the senate race. caller: this is an interesting one. th

i was convinced for better or worse the moment she ended her campaign against brian kemp i was convinced he would relax and here we are it's interesting kemp would suggest abrams is more focused on our national platform and higher office than leaving georgia because many people have made it clear that is what he wants. people who know her well and her plans when others have suggested it's actually kemp who had he won would have maybe wantedto do something more outsideof georgia . is that fair or accurate ? >> it's interesting because david stacy abrams has never been shy talking about her ambitions. she feels like she shouldn't be shy. she wants to be an inspiration to other young women of color to talk about what they want to doand not be reserved about higher ambitions so as early as , and this has become a famous story but as early as she was 18 years old when she trotted out her career trajectory on a spreadsheet included at the time at least atlanta mayor. she kind of demanded that idea and replaced it with the in governor and her ultimate goal was to be president and she stopped op

yes, brian kemp gets to cross the very low bar are not committing treason. only agree to certify the election as was his job but he should show up and tell the truth about what happened. if he truly believes that donald trump did something wrong, then now is the time to say it. i'm not certain what he would be hiding from america, from georgia, by waiting until after the election to tell the truth. if he could tell the truth before, he should be able to tell the truth now. >> so let me ask you about the investigation yourself. you've talked about it as being run meticulously and obviously you know it has come under some scrutiny. that's because the district attorney, fani willis, has been rebuked by a judge. the judge blocked her from investigating republican senator bert jones. he was one of the fake electors involved to subvert georgia's election. he is now the nominee and willis hosted something for his democratic opponent. how much did that damage her credibility to host a political fund-raiser? >> i can't speak to why she chose to do that, but i can tel

and under brian kemp's law, she would not have been protected. we deserve leadership, and we deserve governors who actually understand biology, and understand the danger that he is posing for women. i encourage people to go to my website, it is stacey abrams.com, to learn more about the challenges we face in georgia, but also the opportunity. i'm sorry, go ahead. >> i'm gonna say, quick last question, i want to jump in, one last question. people have looked at you and your party first for teaching advice, how to boost turnout. look at the turnout in kansas last night. do you think that is the ultimate proof that democrats across the nation should be running on this issue, come november? >> democrats should be running on the issue of safety, justice, and opportunity. in georgia, music midtown is one more example of how brian kemp is not only putting our lives in danger, he is also putting women in changer. with our music midtown canceling a concert because of his extreme gun laws, and what we are facing with the six-week abortion ban, we know that

brian kemp refuses to do so. and so i believe that this election, as we move into labor day, that people are going to continue to pay attention to his extreme position on abortion, his extreme position on gun, and his extreme position on refusing to take action to help the people of georgia when we are suffering from a health care crisis and a housing crisis, and the more they pay attention, the more they will realize that his high water mark is on that primary. >> stacey abrams, in a race we will all be watching closely from here. stay safe on the trail. >> thank you. >> we invited governor kemp on and we did not receive a response. >>> coming up, speaker pelosi's visit to taiwan sparks growing tensions between the united states and china. when we come back, i'll talk to senator chris van hollen of maryland about that and the all-nighter that they pulled in the senate. stay with us. every search you make, every click you take, every move you make, every step you take, i'll be watching you. the internet doesn't h

and because georgia's ban is so extreme, brian kemp has said he was overjoyed to sign.ly putting their lives on the line. they cannot access care because they can't get it, and they often will not know they are pregnant until it is too late to find out, if there is someone who can help them. as of today, in georgia, abortion is illegal. and that is terrifying. it is terrifying for those women who also want to carry a child to term, because they may be denied at the very lifesaving care they need, to one day carry a child to term. this is about a woman's medical care. this is not a political issue. and yes, i've heard from independence. i've heard from republicans. i've heard from older religious black women and latino women, who have all said to me, personally, this is not the government's job. this is not the governor's job. the governor should be protecting us, and expanding opportunity, not taking away our rights. >> when you look in georgia, you look around the country as well. in ohio, a ten year old girl who was raped had to flee that state to get an abortion. a t

brian kemp has no solutions. but he has the power, georgia has a $6 billion surplus, that is a surplus that could invest in future pay raises, which i recommended, raises for law enforcement to get them to a living wage, but also money we could put into small businesses which are 99% of the businesses in the state of georgia. there are tools available, but we need a governor who is good at math, and has the willingness to do it, and i tell people to check my plan. i have actually put the plan online, it's a spread sheet, you can check my numbers, make certain that i'm right and i use his numbers to come to the conclusion that we can do better for georgia, we can address the economy in georgia. >> stacy, let's talk about education. you talked about teacher salaries in the virginia gubernatorial race last year, terry mcauliffe lost to glen youngkin, glen youngkin of course brought up critical race theory, but also many people believe they have really damaged terry mcauliffe at the end by saying that parents shouldn

i want to take a look at a new high that's out from your campaign targeting brian kemp in this exact issue on abortion. >> it's an attack on the women of georgia. >> brian kemp made abortion a crime. >> before many women even knew they were pregnant. >> he supports a total ban. >> even if i'm raped. >> a victim of incest. >> forced pregnancy. >> criminalize women with jail time. >> out loss and birth control. >> under camp, i could be investigated, and imprisoned for a miscarriage. >> for a miscarriage. >> the only way to stop this >> the woman of georgia >>'s to stop brian kemp. >> you know lauren, a lot of people say abortion is health care and it's often put out there as a talking point but can you talk about how in the last few weeks a lot of americans including the ones turn and record numbers down in georgia understand the life and death stakes when women don't have access to the full slate of reproductive health care including abortion? >> absolutely. a couple of hours earlier this evening zerlina stacey abrams convened some women who had suffered pregnancy loss in georgia, an

and we know that brian kemp's does precious little to address that issue. finally, after years of begging the expanded access to medicaid but only for those who are already pregnant and for a year after pregnancy. what about for the women before pregnancy? i had a woman who faced a lethal choice. if she had been faced to carry a baby to term it could've killed, or an owner brian counselor she would not have been protected. we deserve leadership and we deserve governors who actually understand biology and understand the danger that he is going for women. i urge people to go to my website stacey abrams.com. >> quick last question we're almost out of time one last question. people of luck to you and your party for strategic advice how to burst turnout. look at the turnout in kansas last night. do you think that's the ultimate proof that democrats should be running on this issue? >> democrats should be running on the issue of safety, justice and opportunity. in georgia, music midtown is one more example of our brian cap is not only putting our lives in danger,

relationship between governor brian kemp and d.a.is has spilled into public view as we've seen a number of court filings back and forth. attorneys for the governor are arguing that he should not be forced to testify, arguing executive privilege, attorney-client privilege, but they're really honing in on what they say has become a politicized process, saying that we're now very close to the november election and saying that this has become a politicized process. the d.a. and her team, prosecutors, are saying, that's not the case. that's not the case at all, and it's crucial to hear from the governor because he has specific information that very closely pertains to what they're investigating. now, attorneys for governor brian kemp are saying, at least delay it until after the november election, saying that because it's so close to the election, because he has a state to run, it's impossible for him to prep and do what he needs to do to get ready to testify. they're also asking to hear what he is going to be asked, asking to get a sense

brian kemp is at 47%, abrams is at 40 to 43%. are not radically dissimilar numbers from what we saw four years ago. between the federal investigation in election corruption in 2020, the fact that brian kemp's gun laws shut down the midtown music festival. the fact that he's been associated with some of them are darker and racist elements of the republican party, why is this race not just close, but why does brian kemp seem to maintain this league that he's got so far? what do you think is going on on the ground in georgia right now? >> there are a lot of things at play here. just go back to that clip that you had with brian kemp's lawyer arguing that politics doesn't need to factor into this, the georgia portion has been front and center for the entire election season which is also coincided within january 6th hearings. some of the most compelling testimony came from georgia, with -- the personal consequences of the big lie. raffensperger is on the ballot, he testified during the january six about how he refused to go along with

in the last hour, the judge observing the grand jury probe has ruled georgia governor brian kemp mustntil after the november election. blayne alexander joins us with the latest. >> reporter: that certainly is something that is notable. just a few days ago, the attorneys for brian kemp went before the fulton county judge and asked to quash the subpoena altogether. the judge ruled that is not something that is applicable. his attorneys were arguing sovereign immunity. they say the governor must testify, go before the special grand jury that's looking into alleged election meddling on behalf of the former president, but what's notable here, this is somewhat of a victory for governor kemp or a semi-victory. they were saying if you don't quash the subpoena altogether, at least let us delay until after the election. attorneys for governor kemp said his role and his re-election bid is reaching a crescendo and it could have political implications if he's forced to testify beforehand. what's notable about this, this is coming at a time when we're seeing this investigation continue to widen. in

what a judge is now signaling about whether governor brian kemp will have to talk to the grand jury. >>> and the one-time member of former president trump's legal team scheduled to testify today. we're live at the courthouse. >>> plus what the head of the rnc is privately telling supporters that party needs to win the senate. >>> we're following new developments oversee seas. russian president vladimir putin looking to put more troops into ukraine. >>> good to be with you. i'm lindsey riser in new york in for hallie jackson. we'll start with the affidavit news. joining me justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian and former fbi general counsel senior member of the mueller team and an msnbc legal analyst andrew wisen. thanks for being with us. ken, let's start with what judge is doing. the judge has that redacted version from the doj of the affidavit. what are some scenarios of what could play out next? >> good afternoon, lindsey. well one scenario is that the justice department convinces the judge that so much of this affidavit needs to be redacted, that there's no point in

trump ran in the primary, but brian kemp won. >> he won big. >> did that make kemp more acceptable to voters in georgia? in a way that maybe herschel walker isn't? can you see a split ticket vote in georgia, where that's a decisive factor? >> yes, i think that can happen, georgia is such an interesting experience because -- i think that states like georgia or michigan literally on the frontlines from november to january of 2020, those voters play really deep attention, and they've been deeply affected by. and the fact that in georgia, a republican state's been trending blue, -- in pennsylvania michigan go another way. republicans say it's been trending blue, those republicans hung on to the conventional leaders like kemp. and i think they're very concerned about, what they see in the performance of walker, and you could see that kind of split. i think in those three states, pennsylvania, michigan, and georgia, where january 6th and the fight over vote counts was so present, those issues are big for voters, to i think the jan six could play a big role there as well. >> i want to ask ab

but brian kemp was not necessarily trump's favorite.ndorsed his opponent, and brian kemp remains blindly loyal as they're known to do in the maga cult. why do you think he's so resistant to testify? >> it seems like there's been a real communication breakdown between the governor's office and the fulton d.a.'s i've about the types of questions that could be asked, the circumstances, what is under oath, what's on the record, what is and is not allowed to be asked. remember, the governor is up for reelection this year. he faces stacey abrams of their rematch from 2018, and certainly there are political points to be scored. he's arguing that the fulton d.a. is playing politics. i'm sure she will be arguing the same in her response to the governor as well. this is a moment where you see many republicans here in georgia who are arguing this investigation is a partisan witch hundred dollars and they're trying to use it on the campaign trail. >> i would article that brian kemp has engaged in voter suppression for decades, with so many incident

but brian kemp has told the truth it since day one, and continue to push for him.ted in that grand jury process, so on that be very careful how i comment. >> thank you both, gentlemen. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. one prilosec otc in the morning blocks excess acid production for a full 24 hours. unlike pepcid, which stops working after 9. 24 hour protection. prilosec otc one pill, 24 hours, zero heartburn. ♪ age before beauty? why not both? visibly diminish wrinkled skin in just two days. new crepe corrector lotion only from gold bond. champion your skin. between two initiatives on sports betting. prop 27 generates hundreds of millions every year to permanently fund getting people off the streets a prop 26? not a dime to solve homelessness prop 27 has strong protections to prevent minors from betting. prop 26? no protections for minors. prop 27 helps every tribe, including disadvantaged tribes. prop 26? nothing for disadvantaged tribes vote yes on 27. but the surge is just the latest incident putting trump against the bureau. he's been goi

. >>> brian kemp is a turncoat, he's a coward, and he's a let and total disaster. rino governor brian kemp -- >> [ audience booing ] >> and we're going to replace him with a very strong person and a fearless fighter. >> georgia governor brian kemp has concerned donald trump for a while. he's also a conservative republican, but apparently not willing to steal votes for trump. he rejected the plot to get a new legislative session convened to overturn trump's loss in that state. that's the only thing trump cares about. it's not a clash about policy, it's just this guy wouldn't steal vote him. the guy who stood up ordered to testify, a judge compel him to talk about the trump election issues in this probe. it's a procedural victory for that d.a. who recently made giuliani testify, and warned he's targeted for indictment. giuliani has not warned whether -- other witnesses like lightning lightning, who we covered at the top of the broadcast. it's real heat on trump in a criminal probe where there aren't many cards will left to play. it's a jurisdiction trump dwuz not con

in atlanta, a fulton county judge just finished hearing arguments on whether brian kemp should be forced to testify before a grand jury investigating allegations of criminal interference by the former president and his allies in the 2020 election. and then over to west palm beach, florida, the doj met the noon deadline just an hour ago to submit proposed redaction to the mar-a-lago affidavit. bruce reinhart will now begin considering the justice department suggested redactions of that affidavit. which basically lays out the government's-r reason for requesting the search in the first place. experts saying it is likely containing evidence of possible crimes that they expected to find on the property. today the former president once again said he, quote, did nothing wrong. the government vehemently opposed to the affidavit even being made public arguing that the release could, quote, cause significant and irreparable damage to an ongoing criminal investigation that is still in the early stages. the judge's deliberations are taking price in private and how much if any of the affidavit we wi

brian kemp has been an avid suppressor of voters since the 90s.les when it comes to voter suppression. all right a lot about that in my book. saying it louder but it's really sad to see what is happening, there this is what i can tell you. if they say the voting activists cannot pass out food or water, 150 feet of a polling location, as activists are die hards. they would do it 151 feet of voter polls. latosha brown and cliff all right with black voters matter who have done so much great work there. we have a lot to get to this morning in addition to what is happening with voter suppression. we are taking a look at some of these republican candidates ali, following donald trump's footsteps. it is really wild to see florida man of course, ron desantis. you know that trumpism is on the ballot this november, even if trump is. and we will dive into that and see how some of these candidates are even viable. it was interesting to say mitch mcconnell say it acknowledge that they will have a challenging time trying to take control of the senate. plus for

in the race for governor brian kemp with a four-point lead over stacey abrams.ig headline out of georgia, new insight into fulton county's investigation into potential 2020 election interference. the district attorney there says she's about 60% through witness testimony. she's hoping to wrap up this investigation within the next few months. this is one of the legal shadows hanging over former president trump. blayne alexander is joins us in atlanta. tell us more about where this investigation stands and what these final few months apparently final look like. >> you know, hallie, before we jump into that it's important to put this in quick context. it's very easy to forget by the amount of times we talk about this investigation, the amount of times you see me on tv talking about this but the grand jury process is a secret one. we know some of the high-profile people who have been called to testify, the legal battles back and forth, there's a great deal about this investigation that we just don't know. we don't know the people that have come forth and testified be

but the top of your ticket is obviously stacey abrams who's challenging brian kemp again for governor not only to protect the election in 2024 but local elections, midterm elections and all the other ones. what are some of the ways that you think that stacey abrams prevent presents better thing for juror georgia veterans than the current incumbent brian kemp? >> stacey abrams has been a leader on voting rights in the state of georgia, and we saw in 2021 after we deliver these winds for the two u.s. senate seats that have been crucial to our success as a country, we know that republicans went into the legislature and passed this 98 voter suppression bill that makes it a crime to give someone a bottle of water to someone waiting in line. it takes away some cure job offers. that was endorsed by both the governor who signed it into law and the secretary of state. i will remind voters that that bill was also bills based on conspiracy theories and based on lies. if we had a governor like stacey abrams and a democratic legislature, a democratic secretary of state, we can take steps to repeal

donald trump hasn't ruled out endorsing brian kemp. y revelation because we thought on the surface it seem like governor kemp and was willing to testify. it was cooperating -- file just a few days ago. we see the full extent of the clash going on between bonnie willis's office and governor kemp's attorneys. and he seemed to governor saying right now he doesn't want to testify this close to a november election. stacey abrams -- it would take valuable time off the campaign trail for him to prepare for all sorts of questions that come his way should he appear in person in the grand jury. >> speaking of questions. on wednesday, rudy giuliani said i'm a prosecutor since that he had satisfied his obligation after facing hours of questioning before the grand jury. what do we know about that, greg, about what happened behind closed doors? and how worried should donald trump be about rudy giuliani's appearance? >> yeah, six hours of testimony. we don't have any inkling that he actually said anything. he could have pleaded the fifth the entire ti

brian kemp, went to war with donald trump anyone, trump went after him in >> well, he won big.ry. >> did that make kemp more acceptable to swing voters in georgia, in a way that maybe herschel walker isn't? could you see a split in the vote in georgia, which act as decisive? >> yes, i think that could happen. georgia is such, it's such an interesting experience, because -- and i think that -- states like georgia, pennsylvania, michigan, really on the front line from november to january of 2020, those voters pay really deep attention, and they've been deeply affected by it. and the fact that, in georgia, republicans, it is a republican state that's been trending blue. that is different in wisconsin. pennsylvania and michigan are going the other way. it's been trending blue. those republicans hung on to the conventional leaders, like kemp. and i think they are very concerned about what they see in the performance of walker. you could see that kind of split. but i think, in those three states, pennsylvania, michigan, and georgia, where january 6th and the fight over, you know, ove

so, look, brian kemp has a point.ome of this could be negotiated, one would hope that all of these public servants after all the taxpayers are funding their salaries that they would sit down with a bunch of lawyers and say this is what we will do, this is what we are not going to do, this is what we will talk about, what information do you need. maybe we will do written interrogatories but you have to make sure that the investigation which is more important than any of these video initials is done properly. you know, there's something really serious here. this fake electors scheme, the president's lawyer being deposed, the sitting governor being subpoenaed, it's really, really serious stuff. i think fani willis may have bit off more than she could chew. >> thank you all so much for being with us this morning. >>> the ukrainian nuclear power operator claims russian plans to disconnect units at a nuclear power plant as tensions there escalate. we are live on the ground in ukraine. >>> and a widening drought and a water

a boost against brian kemp. this is about decisions that will matter more and governor races because they are the ones that are sending it back in georgia. they have trigger laws on the books that would come into effect. gretchen whitmer in michigan is blocking that. tony ebert -- their law from 1800 would criminalize doctors who perform abortions. so yes. how the issue, especially suburban women, we see that going back to the vote in kansas a couple of weeks ago. it was not an up or down vote, and that is not the case, although it is michigan. it's not as simple as a yes or no question. you have to decide on the candidate, but it showed us that is not the coalition. it was with voters and republicans. they voted to preserve the abortion protection, so it is not just a democratic issue, and in the trump years, republican struggled with college-educated women, and that is where they were bleated. the abortion issue makes that harder. host: talk about the senate race. caller: this is an interesting one. these are

. >>> brian kemp will have to testify before grand jury investigating election meddling. he can wait until after the november election. he wanted his subpoenas squashed altogether but the judge has ruled his claim of sovereign immunity applies in civil, not criminal actions. the fulton county district attorney's office is slamming senator lindsey graham for what they call his extreme position and wanting his subpoenas squashed the secretary of state says he called election officials suggesting they throw out votes in counties that joe biden one. >> i went to bring in michael moore, former u.s. attorney and partner at the moore hall law group. thank you for coming. let's talk with this investigation into the attempt to overturn election results in georgia. a federal judge ruled buddy that the governor, brian kemp must testify in that investigation but he can wait until after the midterm elections. what is your reaction to that delay and how significant will that be once he gives it? >> i am glad to be with you. he has been supervising a special grand jury here. he does a g

yes on prop 27, because there's no place like home. >>> attorneys for georgia governor brian kemp arey investigating attempts to influence the 020 election. governor kemp was one of the georgia public officials who declined to help then president trump over turn his 2020 election loss in that state. and fulton county da fannie willis wants to hear from him. let's get the latest from nbc news correspondent blayne alexander. she was at the courthouse yesterday during the hearing. blayne, good morning. what did we learn yesterday? >> reporter: willie, good morning. this really kind of was the latest step in what has been a very kind of explosive relationship between the governor here in georgia and the fulton county district attorney that is now exploded into public light. through a number of court filings. so the hearing was about two hours yesterday and attorneys for georgia's republican governor brian kemp were arguing he shouldn't have to come and testify and they're hanging that on three things. sovereign immunity and two, executive privilege and attorney/client privilege and the th

brian kemp basically ignored donald trump. he just ignored him. cheney is not ignoring it.at's her mission. but in the case of georgia where the survival happened, he just ignored the guy. >> and that's kind of like what lisa murkowski has done. that's her political survival, or what it looks like -- >> in washington state, and in california, they both voted to impeach. but they also locate their votes. they don't walk away from it, but they locate it. and they have survived. >> everybody stick around because we're gonna talk about something that charlie knows a lot about, and that is pennsylvania. gop senate candidate [inaudible] a video he's getting grief over. cruditÉs! >> i'm not wagner's, and my wife wants some vegetableses for cruditÉs. non-gaming tribes have been left in the dust. wealthy tribes with big casinos make billions, while small tribes struggle in poverty. prop 27 is a game changer. 27 taxes and regulates online sports betting to fund permanent solution to homelessness. while helping every tribe in california. so who's attacking prop 27? wealthy casino trib

here is nick valencia with more. >> reporter: georgia governor brian kemp and attorneys argue he should to be compelled to testify before the special purpose grand jury because he's protected by executive privilege and sovereign immunity. attorneys for kemp questioned the timing of fani willis's investigation, saying that it is agenda driven and political in nature because it is taking place in the middle of an election cycle. it was in july that kemp volunteers for a taped interview, but that never happened, and it appears that communication between the governor's office and the district attorney's office has broken down. the district attorney's office is arguing that kemp should be compelled to testify because he's uniquely knowledgeable about election interference matters that the special purpose grand jury is investigating, including a december 2020 phone call between former president trump and kemp, in a recent court filing by the district attorney's office, they laid out several lines of testimony they believe kemp could provide details on, including that phone call as well as any

brian kemp basically ignored donald trump. that was the secret sauce. he just ignored it.eney is not ignoring it. she is taking it head on. that's her mission. but in the case of georgia, where the battle happened, he just ignored the guy. >> that's kind of what murkowski has done as well. for political survival. >> then you house in washington state, -- california. they both voted to impeach but they also look eat their votes. they look eat it. they survived. >> everybody, stick around. we're going to talk about which charlie knows a lot about. that's pennsylvania, the gop senate candidate dr oz mocked over a resurfaced video he's getting grief over. cruditÉs. >> and that wagner's, grocery shopping. my wife wants vegetables, cruditÉs. why do nearly one million businesses choose stamps.com to mail and ship? no more trips to the post office no more paying full price for postage and great rates from usps and ups mail letters ship packages anytime anywhere for less a lot less get our special tv offer a 4-week trial plus postage and a digital scale go to stamps.com/tv and neve

a judge ruled in georgia that governor brian kemp must testify before a fulton county grand jury that is investigating possible 2020 election interference by mr. trump. the judge said kemp does not have to testify, until after the november election. with that, let's get smarter with the help of our lead off panel. phil rucker, pulitzer prize -winning deputy national editor for the washington post, katie benner herself who we were just quoting, pulitzer prize-winning justice department reporter for the new york times, and former u.s. attorney joyce vance who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. she is now a law prosecutor at the university of alabama. katie, since we were just quoting you, the first question is for you. your new reporting says that this investigation poses an unparalleled test for the justice department. how about an unparalleled test for a president? >> well, it's an interesting question, because again, we've seen a little bit of this in the monograms evening you referenced earlier. so much of the conversation has been around merrick garland, and the choice he will

georgia governor, brian kemp, trying to quash the subpoena for his testimony in that same investigation, or, at least, delay it. here is what his attorney told the judge today. >> now, we are in the middle of an election cycle. relate, the most closely followed gubernatorial race in the country. this is happening, coincidentally, or otherwise. it is a high profile, and politically-charged investigation, and it is reaching a crescendo. the intersection of law, and politics, in this way, we believe, shouldn't be happening on the eve of an election. >> welcome back. greg blue stain a political reporter for the atlanta journal-constitution an ambitious and veasey political contributor. he is the author of flipped, how georgia turned purple, and broke the monopoly on republican power. greg, there is a lot happening in your state. we have been ordered to appear in late september, along with former trump attorney, sydney powell. what were the to say about this investigation that it now is? >> there's an investigation on whether trump, and his allies, illegally trying to overturn georgia's 2020

brian kemp has been an incredible teammate through this whole process. know georgians rewarded him, especially republicans against david perdue. have you ever seen someone get beat down more than 50% in an election like that? georgians rewarded him. i think in the -- has told the truth since the day one and, is continue to push hard. i participated in that grand jury process, so can be very careful how i comment. thank you both gentlemen, i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. we'll be right back ♪ you had me at allison® 10-speed transmission. ♪ features available on gmc sierra heavy duty. premium and capable. that's professional grade from gmc. this is the sound of better breathing. fasenra is an add-on treatment for asthma driven by eosinophils. it helps prevent asthma attacks, improve breathing, and lower use of oral steroids. fasenra is not a rescue medication or for other eosinophilic conditions. fasenra may cause allergic reactions. get help right away if you have swelling of your face, mouth and tongue, or trouble breathing. don't stop your

this one with georgia's government governor brian kemp with a judge ordered to testify before the grandator lindsey graham continues to fight his subpoena to the grand jury. in a court filing today, fani willis said this. even in a motion purportedly requesting partial quashing of the subpoena, senator graham insists that each and every possible topic of grand jury inquiry is forbidden. joining us now is gwen keys fleming, former district attorney for the decab county, georgia and corner other of the report, fulton county georgia's trump investigation. thank you very much for joining us tonight with your local experience there it is incredibly helpful. and knowing district attorney fani willis as you do and what she might do next. on the lindsey graham subpoena, as we are seeing it, it's taken a little bit longer than some of these local georgia subpoenas for example, the governor's subpoena to work it out through the federal and state courts. what do you expect next in that? >> well, i think what we will have next is the district court judge will decide for a third time the extent to w

cnn's nick valencia is in atlanta with the latest. >> reporter: jim and poppy, georgia's governor brian kemp and his attorneys argue that the governor should not have to testify before the special purpose grand jury because he's protected by executive privilege and sovereign immunity. kemp's attorneys questioned the timing of fani willis' investigation, saying that it is agenda driven and political in nature because it is taking place during an election cycle. now, in july, kemp had volunteered for a taped interview, but that never happened and it appears that communication between the district attorney's office and the governor's office has broken down. the district attorney's office said kemp should be compelled to testify because he is uniquely knowledgeable about election interference matters that the special purpose grand jury is investigating. including a december 2020 phone call between former president trump and governor kemp. court is expected to begin at 10:30 eastern, and it is unclear whether or not a judge will make a ruling on whether or not to quash the subpoena today. jim, po

has been subpoenaing powerful people, senator lindsey graham, the georgia governor brian kemp, john eastman and others and they have informally pushed back and said i should not be subject to this subpoena and they have informally lost. i think the lesson is it is really hard to brush off a criminal grand jury subpoena. we saw plenty of people casually brush off congressional subpoenas from the january 6th committee with no real consequence. this is different. this is a grand jury criminal subpoena, very difficult to sort of wriggle out of this. the dispute between the d.a. and the governor here has to do with timing, the governor alleges you time this intentionally to coincide with the upcoming elections, it is political, the d.a. says no, you have been dragging your feet, you're the one who is resisting just coming in and testifying, which is all we're asking you to do with this subpoena. there is truth both ways. it took the d.a. a year and a half to even start the grand jury. that is a fair point for the governor. the governor has been resisting this and i think ultimately he will lose

right now, a judge is hearing arguments about whether the state's governor, brian kemp, will have to testify before a special grand jury. that panel is looking into allegations of voter fraud by former president trump and his allies in the 2020 election in georgia. earlier today, donald trump's attorney, jenna ellis, was scheduled to testify before that same special grand jury. nbc's blayne alexander is in atlanta with the latest. so, blayne, what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, katy, good morning to you. there are certainly a lot of moving pieces. let's start with jenna ellis. of course, she was a former advisor to the trump campaign but for the purposes of this investigation and 2020, really what prosecutors are looking at is the role that she played in setting up several legislative hearings in which rudy giuliani came forward and made really a number of false claims, conspiracy theories, about the election here in georgia. prosecutors want to question her about the role she played in setting up those hearings. but separately, the other thing that we're watching today, katy, i

brian kemp republican incumbent versus stacey abrams.k around issue of abortion. i'm not sure agree with "disappears" but testing the idea a lot of suburban republicans, former republicans, at least, and independents, might be inclined in joe biden's first mid-term to vote republican. >> stacey abrams's campaign changed dramatically when this happened. open about it, how she talks about it, how her campaign is operating. she believes she has a much better chance because of the anger about abortion in georgia. you talk about the differences of different campaigns and in different states. back to tim ryan in ohio. he's barely talking about abortion, because that doesn't play for democrats as well in a state like ohio, where he thinks the best path to win is through the working class who think that maybe the democrats have forgotten them there. it just shows these candidates have to know their constituents, who they hope to be their constituents. right now they're voters, and in georgia, clearly they believe it's about abortion. other place

. >>> this just in -- a judge has just denied the georgia governor request, brian kemp's request, tonn's nick valencia has more. delay, nick, until after the upcoming election. >> reporter: that's right. not until after the november '22 election, that's when governor kemp will have to appear before the special purpose grand jury. a judge denied his motion to quash his appearance before that grand jury. here's what the judge had to say as part of his ruling, quote, the governor's in the midst of a re-election campaign, and this criminal grand jury investigation should not be used by the district attorney, the governor's opponent, or the governor himself to influence the outcome of the election. went on to say the governor must honor the subpoena as have the secretary of state, the attorney general, and many other agents of the state in these criminal proceedings, sovereign immunity wards off civil actions, not criminal ones. what the judge means by that is when we were in court last week, we heard kemp's attorneys argue that the governor is beyond the reach of this investigation becau

in the state of georgia, thanks to brian kemp, our elections in 2020 were absolutely stolen.ighting right now to find out what happened in 2020 and make sure that those people responsible for that fraud in 2020 go to jail. [ cheers ] >> seth: trump's crowds will anyone now [ light laughter ] you could be hillary clinton or the ultraconservative governor of georgia -- doesn't matter if you cross trump, they want you in jail. next they're going to turn their ire on wind and umbrellas and the sun. [ laughter ] and there are times when, i have to say, even trump doesn't seem to have his heart in it. trump's whole bit is trolling. he trolls the media and liberals, and his disciples have picked up the mantle, like florida congressman matt gaetz, the only person on earth, this is interesting, whose funko pop would have a smaller head. [ laughter ] gaetz appeared at the rally and once again floated an idea he's pitched before, to make trump speaker of the house if republicans win the midterms in november but trump did not have much of a reaction >> give us the ability to fire nancy p

. >>> a judge in fulton county, georgia saying that state's governor brian kemp must testify in the county election interference probe. the ruling is still a partial win for the governor, who didn't want to testify at all. the judge saying he won't have to testify until after his november re-election battle. prosecutors are investigating what they call a multipronged effort from president trump's allies to urge officials to alter their election results. joining me now, nbc news correspondent blayne alexander in atlanta, as well as political reporter and msnbc political analyst greg bleustein. what does this ruling mean for the governor and the d.a.'s investigation, big picture? >> reporter: well, let's start off with the timing of this, alex. it looks at the fact that we have an election coming up. as the governor's attorneys made the point in court last week, they say it's one of the most closely watched, if not the most closely watched gubernatorial race in the country. so they were saying listen, if he is required to testify, at least let him delay that testimony until after the electio