take us through what jake sullivan said.— jake sullivan said.s concerned _ jake sullivan said. more or less concerned that _ jake sullivan said. more or less concerned that the _ jake sullivan said. more or less concerned that the us - jake sullivan said. more or less concerned that the us would i jake sullivan said. more or less i concerned that the us would send cluster munitions to ukraine, all of the pentagon get to confirm that. but you made the point that ukraine needs artillery and that's the core of the conflict, and it was critical for the us to supply ukraine with the supplies. the us always makes the supplies. the us always makes the point that they will not leave ukraine uncovered, they will not leave ukraine vulnerable. so, what was interesting was that essentially, his argument was that russia has been using these munitions already, and that's true. some of the ukrainians have been using turkish provided munitions, but they want the us ones to provide more munitions. in the point was the russians have been using them, and so the uk

giving no guarantees — save the day. jake sullivan giving no guarantees and _ save the day. jake sullivanntees and has press briefing in the last hour. let's turn that into the relationship between the two men, president zelensky and president erdogan, crucially important because of course president erdogan does have an open door to the russian president, putin, what you think zelensky will want from this visit?— want from this visit? there are several items _ want from this visit? there are several items on _ want from this visit? there are several items on the _ want from this visit? there are several items on the agenda i want from this visit? there are l several items on the agenda one important one is the fate of the grain deal, the grain deal that turkey and the un brokered with russia and ukraine. it is crucial that this especially with the security in places like africa and the middle east and now this deal is about to come, expire on the 17th of july. russia is dragging its feet to renew. the ukrainian commitment to renewing, turkey wants us, the un wants us to be renewed, the de

from the usa expert, to to whom we will ask exactly the same question, what are the prospects for jake sullivanthe united states yes hello igor hello, sullivan is one of the representatives of the team. obama is absolutely everyone already verified proven definitely had a relationship. uh with biden. uh more than others, when biden served as e vice president. he supervised ukraine together with the biden, he was constantly, but was with him, and he participated in the negotiations together with the biden. uh, visited cyprus where the headquarters was then burism companies. and after that it was. uh, such a pretty, uh, luxurious dinner, which was attended by one of the directors, buris would, and pozharsky and i did not discuss monetary schemes. why? for example, the question that was asked in the studio? why doesn't sullivan resign? and everything is very simple , there is no point in him resigning if he is under the auspices of the president and, accordingly, his immediate boss bytan in relation to what was said about the record. which was discovered this is a document which is in the fbi know

we hear jake sullivan yesterday from the podium really make the moral case for sending these cluster munitions to ukraine basically saying ukraine would be using them to defend themselves inside their homeland unlike russia, who is currently using them to attack a sovereign nation, a key distinction for the us. take a listen. >> we recognize that cluster munitions create a risk of civilian harm , this is why we have deferred the decision for as long as we could. but, there is also a massive risk of civilian harm if russian troops and tanks rollover ukrainian positions and take more ukrainian territory and subjugate more ukrainian civilians, because ukraine does not have enough artillery. that is intolerable to us. >> reporter: the reality here is that despite that defense we heard from sullivan, there could be president biden heading to europe this week really amongst the allies. we know that in more than 100 countries these cluster munitions are banned, and even in the us there is a law against transferring them, so those are two things the president will have to deal with at home a

national security adviser jake sullivan faced a contentious back and forth with a ukrainian activist. >> jake, please advise me what should i tell my son that president biden and nato didn't invite ukraine to anyway taupe because he's afraid of russia? afraid of russia losing? afraid of ukraine winning? or the back channel communications with kremlin, which is terrorist organization, to reach the main three deal. should i prepare my son to be a soldier and fight russians when he will be 18 years? >> certain insinuations and implications in your question not founded get checked at the door so we can talk to one another in goodwill, in good faith, and there has been a lot of conspiracy theorizing that simply is not based on any reality whatsoever. and, also, i would just say the american people have sought in watching and want to go stand in solidarity with the brave and courageous people of ukraine to step up and deliver. i think the american people do deserve a degree of gratitude. >> cnn political and national security analyst david sanger joins us now live from the summit in lithuan

uh, so jake sullivan about what he said? yeah, just to be clear, i am not a minute vx but, but this sensor is differences of opinion amongst ministry x. but you know, there is a debate and what jake sullivan. so i did the converse of the fireside chat with him, as he know at sad was of course they need f sixteens, and of course they need long range of 10 to read the full that future security you said, but in terms of the counter offensive of the situation now, what they need is to get through minds in because both the russians i'm the ukrainians have good at defense equipment and patriot missiles, et cetera. this is not at the moment a battle in the skies. this is a battle on the ground. and therefore i or imperative is to get 15 men a may time whatever it is, shells. if i munitions it, shells, it's the mining equipment and it is of course, very controversial controversially plus the bumps. that will be another show. yeah . i checked this real quick, my opinion, it's all those things, right? it's all that you need. so chuck

national security advisor jake sullivan defended the u.s.ng different in private than he said in public. they have their legal obligations, but you certainly haven't seen the british prime minister or really for that matter any of our nato allies go out and say this threatens nato unity. there is a wide degree of understanding that the united states took this decision thoughtfully, carefully, and in the best interest of protecting ukraine's people and ukraine's territorial integrity and sovereignty. >> now, after president biden's meeting with prime minister sunak yesterday he traveled to windsor castle where he was greeted by king charles. according to aides the two men spent much of their time discussing how to boost private sector investment in order to combat climate change. joining us is bloomberg reporter. what have we learned this morning? >> the white house is pitching this as aten warm and friendly visit, something that allowed the president to see the prime minister going into this nato summit and spend quality time with the king.

now with that, now with that we have as you know the national security adviser to the president, jake sullivan, who is going to give a preview of his trip to the nato summit, as you all know, starting out sunday, and take any other questions that you may have. jake. podium is yours. >> thank you, karine. good afternoon, everybody. thanks for bearing with me today. i'm going to start by laying out the plan for the trip that's upcoming this weekend and then because there have been numerous reports on the provision of cluster munitions a few words on that at the top and then happy to take your questions. president biden said on day one of his administration that the united states would revitalize our alliances and reengage with the world to meet the great challenges of our time. and on sunday the president will depart for his next major trip overseas at a time when we have indeed -- >> mike: briefing reporters on upcoming presidential travel. we will get back to the briefing when he gets to the meat of some of the issues we are tracking but right now just talking about upcoming presidential trave

jake sullivan said there would be a much greater rest of the country if russia is allowed to advance.artillery is at the core of this conflict. ukraine is firing thousands of rounds a day to defend against russia and to support its own efforts to retake its sovereign territory. we have provided ukraine with a historic amount of artillery rounds. we are ramping up domesc production of these rounds. we have seen increases in production. this will continue to ke time. it will be critical to provide a bridge of supplies while our production has ramped up. we will not leave ukraine defenseless. russia has been using clustered munitions is the start of the war to attack ukraine. russia has been using clustered munitions with high dud or failure rates between 30% and 40%. ukraine has been requesting a class treatment-ish and said order to defend its own sovereign territory. the cluster munitions we would provide have rates far below what russia is providing. >> that was jake sullivan at the white house. this was the pentagon a short time ago. >> we are working with ukraine to minimize the ri

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national security adviser jake sullivan says the u.s.ming into this summit with, quote, a full head of steam following the sweden announcement. he says the allies will also discuss a path for ukraine to possibly join nato in the future. we're going to start with cnn white house correspondent arlette saenz live on the ground there. what exactly heading into this high-stakes sum submit the white house hoping to achieve? >> well, phil, president biden is hoping to emerge from this summit with a strengthened and united nato that will ultimately disappoint russian president vladimir putin. now, any minute now we will see president biden alongside nato secretary general and the meeting between the two men comes on the heels of a big win for both of them after turkey announce d stunning reversal to approve sweden's accession into nato. turkey had been blocking sweden's entrance into nato for a little over a year. the fact that sweden will very soon be joining nato really speaks to an expanded nato alliance that in part has been driven by presid

ukrainian country offensive thus far question mark we will leave that press conference there, jake sullivan munitions but he said the pentagon will be confirming that information later this afternoon. he: said ukraine needs are artillery at the core of the conflict and is critical to supply ukraine with the bridge of supplies. he makes a point that america always makes which is they want leave ukraine vulnerable. what's he's ultimately saying is that russia has been using munitions and ukraine is thereforejustified in using them to, and russia has been using them, and his point is that these munitions, heavy and lower failure rates than the ones that serve have been used, there will not be as risky to civilians. he also made a point, i will quote you, the ukrainians are using it on their territory, to defend their territory so they are highly motivated to reduce civilian harm. he also said that they do have allies on board at he spent some time making sure that everyone would get on board in the end.— get on board in the end. nomia iqbal in washington. _ get on board in the end. nomia iqbal

is a certain emotional fear of his involvement in a nuclear conflict, national security adviser jake sullivanncourages president biden to move in the right direction, but on this so far, all the military support that the usa has provided to ukraine is absolutely unprecedented, and the usa, together with great britain , led the alliance, the problem is that what is self-restraint or the fear of provoking a direct conflict with russia led to the fact that a large part of this essential aid arrived in ukraine too late if all of it had been provided from the very beginning, ukraine would have been in a much better position on the battlefield than it is today, and therefore pressuring ukraine to start its counteroffensive without air cover seems to be a very unreasonable decision from a military point of view, which greatly complicates the life of ukraine. i don't want to be ungrateful like that in general, we in ukraine pay tribute to our western friends, our western partners, if it were not for their timely help, most people would have been killed, we understand that it would be great as sodus w

the last time i was on the show with you and jake sullivan, we talked about the f-16s.redicted they would do it and it's been too darn long and that's exactly what happened and the other issue, i already mentioned it -- >> with the defense spending. >> -- we're cutting defense spending, and it's a very dangerous world. everybody agrees we should not be going below 3% of defense spending. the current budget shrinks the army, shrinks the navy, and shrinks the marine corps. that is the wrong thing to give to vladimir putin. >> it is up in raw dollars, but i don't want to get into that. we can debate what cuts are like in washington. people have a different view. i want to ask you something george will wrote very quickly here. he wrote this. vladimir putin use fifth column is not in kyiv but the republican party, and putin has two hopes for mortifying rescue from the ukraine blunder and one is the election of trump which compliments his weekly admirations and the election of desantis. are you concerned and should ukraine be concerned that the election of donald trump could

so , jake sullivan's job is to coordinate all meetings, discuss the point of view, and present them to biden to explain them and advise him, because he is the national security advisor, and therefore wait for the decision to be made by the president, which is happening. i think that it is president biden who is guided by an ambiguous fear of provoking putin to the third world war . he is afraid that putin will use nuclear weapons, which, in my opinion, is a manifestation self-restraint biden is also afraid to give putin another reason to accuse nato of the fact that it is the alliance that is his opponent in this war, not ukraine, and finally, biden is really afraid that he will not be able to maintain nato's solidarity with regard to ukraine question, he understands well that the nato countries and other partners were able to provide such decisive assistance for ukraine only thanks to their solidarity, it is precisely this that weakens putin and makes it clear that his main goal in this war has failed with a collapse, instead, he received an increased, stronger nato, more united from

of decisions regarding ukraine, you know ostap, it was also very important to hear today from jake sullivan because the united states currently remains the country whose opinion on the eve of the same regarding the potential membership of ukraine it was these we still did not fully know today, today the jacksolian shed a little more light, so he admitted that according to the results of the free school, ukraine will not become a member of nato right away, but he said that this will be a very important platform for discussing what practical steps ukraine should take on the way to potential membership in nato. he said that very important discussions will continue at this summit, in particular he said when he was asked and do they expect or consider it expedient for president zelenskyi to come? he said yes, and because , again, he expects that practical decisions will be made at this summit, and what about of long-term defense support for ukraine and ukraine's prospects in the alliance . this is what is supported by a number of allies, in particular great britain, the baltic countries, poland,

we heard from jake sullivan who said that without these cluster munitions, the u.s. is very worried that ukraine might not have enough artillery ammunition to actually get through the rest of the counteroffensive and successfully prosecute this war against russia. of course, this has serious implications for the u.s.' relationship with its allies, particularly those that banned the use of cluster munitions. over 100 countries have done so. the u.s. says it's confident they have managed to reassure allies that this is what ukraine needs right now. national security advisor sullivan sought to draw distensions between how russia and ukraine are using them on the battlefield. russia does have cluster munitions. importantly, the dud rate in terms of how many of those little bomblets that scatter actually explode, actually do not explode is much higher than the dud rate of the munitions the u.s. would provide. what does that mean? the risk posed to civilians in the longer term by the russian cluster munitions is greater than those that would be posed by the ones that are g

we heard jake sullivan earlier today bristling at that ukrainian activist saying that the american peopleve a level of gratitude for these billions of dollars in weapons that have been sent to ukraine. so i think you will see some of that tone. but again zelenskyy will be explaining the needs that they still have, long-range weapons was something he mentioned he would be bringing up in that meeting. we have notably seen the french joining the british in sending these very long-range missiles. the u.s. a hold-out on that front. so while zelenskyy recognizes he is not going to get this invitation to nato right away, he will be focusing on the short and long term and the u.s. really saying that we are going to be supporting you with weapons right now for this fight but also for a future military. and explaining why now is not the time for ukraine to be joining nato. guys. >> and you think -- i am going to bring you in, general marks, because we heard this from david singer just earlier in the though that there is a question of what does the end game look like. they can join after the war is

i think this exchange between the activist and jake sullivan is essentially redux of what we've seen between the u.s. and leadership, albeit more polite way with ukraine asking more than they are willing to give. what we saw sullivan responding what biden said earlier ukraine is not ready to join nato yet because of the ongoing war in ukraine, and that could draw nato into a war with russia, but, also, very notably, a defensive sullivan saying that i think the american people deserve a certain level of gratitude for everything that the u.s. has offered ukraine so far, tens of billions of dollars in dozens of different military aid packages. so we have seen zelenskyy in the past asking more of the u.s. we have seen some of this defensiveness from the u.s. side. and i think melissa is absolutely right in framing the two days of this summit as yesterday was essentially ukraine being told what it's not going to get, and it is that big ticket item of not getting an imminent invitation to nato. there is immense frustration here on the ground, here in the ukrainian capital. and today is goi

modest, reliable diplomats, officials and people i have ever met, he can be trusted 100%, just like jake sullivan jake is clear in his statements when everyone outside the white house tries to catch him by asking do you want ukraine to win? is ready for negotiations with russia to end the war. so he is honest, you can trust him, at the same time, his strategic foundation can be undermined by the threats of russia and putin, and it seems sad that he has not learned the lessons of the history of eastern europe, i mean ukraine , except for the baltics and poland, he has not delved into the history of what professor snyder calls the bloody lands, without such an understanding, one cannot learn the most important lesson, which is that the language understood by the soviet or russian leader is the language of fear, if they can instill fear in us, they will keep pushing if we can instill fear in them they will stop that's a lesson that i don't think jake has learned yet about white benz who was my boss in moscow i think he understands all this very well no just a position for ikasaliva it's a little dif

his team advised he take this step one that jake sullivan framed as a necessary step as the us began to become worried that ukraine would not have enough ammunition to carry out successfully their counterattack, their counteroffensive against russia making these cluster munitions necessary for them to do so. despite the rationale we heard from two top democra who calls it a terrible decision. i want to read you part of this washington posopd. they write t munitions to ukraine would not only reverse decades of us policy and practice, it would also kill more civiliand exacerbate the very problem we arseeking to address when we provide millions clearance. the united states should be leading the global effort to prohibit. former senator patrick leahy. jake sullivan addressed points made in this op-ed, first, sing the us got written assurances from ukraine they would do everything they could to minimize the impacts cluster munitions would have, and civil areas are saying they are motivated to do so, because it is their land on their people. we heard the percentage to which these failed to

what stood out to you from jake sullivan? this was a decision they came to with great reluctance. but as sullivan said, it's a bridging measure, that they simply can't produce enough artillery to keep ukraine going without pulling some of these stocks out of storage and sending them to the battlefield. he did say they weren't trying to say that this is relative, that just because russia is using it, ukraine should have the right to use it. but he made the argument that ukraine is already littered with tens of thousands of cluster bomb drops -- or bomblets as they're called, from russia's use and, therefore, the country will have to be de-mined anyway. so ukraine needs them, too. >> kim dozier, we appreciate your analysis. quickly, before we go, i wanted to acknowledge that sullivan confirmed there have been discussions between the white house and the kremlin over a prisoner swap, a potential prisoner swap for "wall street journal"'sgershkovich, the 100th day of his incarceration. >>> stay with "cnn news central." we're coverin

jake sullivan said four things, two of them directly benefited burisma.time, hunter biden was on the board of burisma. this is kickback scheme right then and there and jake sullivan was speaking on behalf of joe biden on his plane. that is what i witnessed and i told that to the fbi and they have not acted on it, i sent that information to david weiss. they are doing an investigation and i said, i know of an instance where joe biden and hunter biden collaborated in a kickback scheme. they did not want to hear about it. >> todd: despite what you said and universe of evidence out there, dems continuing to beat the drum that there is no evidence. take a listen. >> would you support impeachment inquiry into president biden's involvement in his son's business deals? >> no, we are investigating this on this committee with hunter biden, there is no real evidence that the president was involved. >> no showing of president biden engaged in any wrongdoing, why would we want to impeach him when there is no wrongdoing? >> not that democrats don't have evidence, repub

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it is a step in the words of the national security adviser jake sullivan, intended to provide a bridgef supplies to ukraine. they are clearly running low on ammunition, and this provision of cluster munitions is intended to get them the ammo that they need while domestic manufacturing of conventional artillery shells is ramped up here in the united states. but this is certainly a controversial decision. more than 100 countries have banned the use of cluster munitions, including france and germany, key nato allies and it also required that president biden bypass a u.s. law that prop prohibits the transfer of munitions to other countries. the president determined it was in the vital national security interest of the u.s. to do that. u.s. officials have also previously said that these munitions have no place on the battlefield and i asked the national security adviser jake sullivan on friday how he scarce the comments with the decision. >> i'm not making an argument that says they do it so we'll do it. the argument i'm making is that russia has already spread tens of millions of these bom

i asked jake sullivan today about comments made by u.s. officials in the past, including saying that these weapons have no place on the battlefield. here is part of his response to that. >> i'm not making an argument which says, they do it so we will do it. the argument i'm making is that russia has spread tens of millions of these bomblets across ukrainian territory. we have to ask ourselves, is ukraine's use of cluster munitions on that same land actually that much of an addition of civilian harm given that area will have to be de-mined regardless? when we look at what ukraine would do with the weapons as opposed to what russia is doing with these weapons, we see a substantial difference. it's not an easy decision. it's a difficult decision. >> reporter: wolf, jake sullivan took pains to really distinguish between russia's use of them and how ukraine would use them. he told me ukraine had provided written assurances to the united states that it will try to minimize any impact this will have on civilian areas, including not targeting urba

and i understand that jake sullivan met with evans family and wall street journal folks, how did they about negotiations or how evan is doing? >> one of the difficult things with the situation is, there is often very little to report, that is what makes it a challenge to keep evan story in the public eye. you hear all sorts of things, in all honesty, the progress of the situation is glacial, he remains in prison in moscow. >> is he able to communicate, with the office and his family? >> we don't have direct, it goes through a center, his parents, and the last time he appeared in court, very moving occasion, and he appeared in this horrible glass taint, really inhumane, and ella, evan's mother, able to speak to him, and very moving for a brief moment, and with her son, forget about everything else, it's explained in the video with them, very moving and drive back to reality. and having physical proximity, and he made all of the difference. >> and evans mom, and the wall street journal, with this. >> i told him in one of those letters that he is my prisoner now, he has to go read my st

how would you answer that chinese criticism made to jake sullivan and secretary blinken? you're one china policy is hollowed out, not real, how would you answer that? sue: i am always hesitant to assume i know what somebody else was thinking. i can see how some actions would make them feel what the u.s. intentions are different perhaps than what they are saying. i think it is a pretty convenient statement for them to make as a way to govern our actions to keep the advantage in their court. we have not even -- to keep us on the back foot, not commenting about their actions that actually are increasing tensions, are moving toward a non-peaceful outcome, that i think when they pressure us and make statements about what we are doing, it is in a way to deflect against their actions and keep us in a smaller box then perhaps we need to be. david: good point. they do seem to have us bargaining with ourselves as people. mike, one of the fascinating things about this report is it is include -- it includes views from a number of your fellow task force members and i was struck by one

all the fallout with the national security adviser, jake sullivan. and -- >> we can be a good kind of emergency stop button in the moment when you really need to talk. >> george: one year after the launch of a national suicide and crisis line, erielle reshef reports on its impacts and the challenges ahead. >> george: good morning, and welcome to "this week." six months from the iowa caucuses, five weeks from the first debate, donald trump is still the clear front-runner for the gop nomination. two indictments, more legal jeopardy to come has solidified his base. the big question now, is the broader gop electorate, will you take the chance he will run again and lose again? as trump skips the first debate, will the rest of the field find what a way to make headway? we'll speak with chris christie in a moment. jonathan karl starts us off. >> reporter: in iowa, a gathering of just about every major republican presidential candidate, except for the one with the big lead. he opted to stay in florida. [ chanting ] >> reporter: it was donald trump's latest i

jake sullivan: look, i can't predict what vladimir putin will do. he has been all over the map.spect to this initiative over the course of the past many months. it is possible that russia pulls out of it. it is possible they continue. we are prepared for any scenario, and we're working closely with the ukrainians on that. ali: so in terms of scenarios, what does your reporting tell you is likely to happen. >> well, i think that at this stage, russia has given every signal that it does intend to pull out of the deal, and it said this before, it's repeatedly threatened to pull out to the deal and then renewed it. but this time feels very different. but regardless of whether it actually officially extends the deal or not, the deal is essentially not working as it should. the amount of shipments coming out through the initiative have plummeted in recent months. and so ukraine has started to enact plan b and to put into into works a different routes to get its grain out of the country. so it's essentially preparing for this deal not to continue. ali: and you just said that this time

we heard jake sullivan address it a little bit there. the dud rate is how many of these little bomblets could land somewhere without exploding. and the u.s. says that the munitions they're going to provide ukraine have a low dud rate, somewhere in the neighborhood of 1 1/2 to 2.35%. much lower than what we have heard about in the past, much lower than the ones the russians may be using in ukraine as well. even with a low percentage chance of that, it's not today, not tomorrow on the battlefield, it's down the road if a munition is sitting there and someone finds it, and it blows up. land mines a shiny objects in the ground, it's kids who find them weeks, months, years after the fact. if the u.s. provides cluster munitions and ukraine uses them in the way they have promised to do, then there would have to be a de-mining process that occurs in ukraine, whenever this war finally comes to an end, alex. >> courtney kube, thank you for explaining that. you have to rush off to the pentagon briefing. we heard jake sullivan say in the news confer

so, jasmine, the white house president and jake sullivan really doing their best to lay out the case for why not only they made the decision, but why they want to show the way ukraine will use these weapons is far different than what russia has been doing. >> reporter: that's exactly right. look, they're offering a full-throated defense for president biden's controversial decision to send cluster munitions to ukraine. we just heard president biden very carefully talk about how it was a hard decision for him to make after months of internal debate, we know, with officials but also with allies, but eventually it was the national security team that recommended that president biden take the step they frame as necessary because they do believe ukraine is running low on ammunitions. as you heard president biden saying it was national security adviser jake sullivan yesterday who talked about the fact that u.s. was worried that ukraine would not be able to carry out their counter offensive against russia if they did not have the cluster munitions because they were running low on other ammuni

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but i had to hear some such strange signals, and sometimes i got the impression that jake sullivan rather inhibits certain initiatives on the part of the secretary of state anthony blinkin and the head of the pentagon need to understand how the foreign policy of the united states works at this level. i actually spent four years on the staff of the national security council under president bush and in my day-to-day duties included assisting then-national security advisor condoleezza rice. so, the job of the national security advisor is primarily to advise and direct the president's thoughts because secretary of state blinkin may have one opinion , defense secretary gasting another, cia director benz another, and treasury secretary ellen his in the end, all these points of view must be coordinated and reconciled with the point of view of the only person who makes the decision, and that is president biden. so jake sully's job is in order to coordinate all the meetings, to discuss the point of view, to present them to the president of biden, to explain them, to advise him, because he is the n

certain emotional fear of his involvement in the nuclear in the conflict, national security adviser jake sullivan encourages president biden to move in the right direction, but at this point. so far, the military support that the united states has provided to ukraine is absolutely unprecedented, and the united states , together with great britain, led the alliance . the problem is that such self-restraint or fear of provoking a direct conflict with russia has led to to the point that a significant part of this essential aid arrived in ukraine too late, if all this had been provided to ukraine from the very beginning, ukraine would be in a much better position on the battlefield than it is today and therefore pressuring ukraine to start its counteroffensive without air cover seems to be a very unreasonable decision from a military point of view, which greatly complicates the life of ukraine . in a timely manner emphasizes in a timely manner most people would be killed, we understand that it would be as big as a soda, there would be a coffee debacle, a lot of people would be shot, someone would be

in his press brieifing earlier, us national security advisor jake sullivan defended the decision to sendaine cluster bombs. we recognise they create a risk of civilian harm from unexploded ordinance, which is why we deferred the decision as long as we could. but there is also a massive risk of civilian harm if russian troops and tanks roll over ukrainian positions and take more ukrainian territory, and subjugate more ukrainian civilians, because ukraine does not have enough artillery. that is intolerable to us. 0ur correspondent in washington, gary 0'donoghue, has more on how president biden�*s decision to send cluster munitions to ukraine. he's been thinking about this decision for a number of months, consulting with allies and people on capitol hill. it seems to have got to a point where he believes he can do this without endangering the unity of the coalition or creating domestic problems at home. essentially, the argument is they can't produce enough shells for the battlefield, and the state of the battle, to keep the ukrainians going, so they will have to plunder stores for these cl

and i think that jake sullivan, the national security adviser was on the record saying that that's not support this. and i think that jake sullivan, the national the case that yes, there are channels of communication to the russians about de risking and about preventing military incidents going out of hand. but it's not, not about discussing ukraine's future without ukraine. and again, i think that this is groundless. and i also would say that there is no reason to believe that russia will have a say is groundless. and i also would say that there is in ukraine's future. to me, the only realistic goal in this war is the restitution of ukraine and its borders in its 1991 borders that includes crimea. and i think it was the great fault of european policy to be too much influenced by the so called red lines or these so called russian security interests. there are no such interests. we have the world order of 1945 and that means we have sovereign states against which no aggression is tolerated. and the sooner we return to that world order means we have sovereign states against which no aggr

jake sullivan, antony blinken. his wife, evan, ron klain. you see the names. 2 and 2 together and make sense to where it's going? >> well, what they are showing is that hunter biden had a lot of connections in the obama white house. and he has connections in the biden white house. it's not just his father. it is all these people like antony blinken, the secretary of state. jake sullivan the national security advisor that hunter biden has crossed paths with back when joe biden was vice president. they've worked together and these are people who might, if they were a big investigation, know something about hunter biden's international business dealings, which are at the center of the house republicans' investigation into hunter and joe biden's finances. >> bill: ultimately you have to wonder whether or not republicans can crack this case. we have had a gentleman on last hour who represents the whistleblower and lindsey graham was on with sean last night had a fair number of questions himself. watch here. >> they said the answer to my letter by mr. weiss to say c

and was national security adviser jake sullivan aware of those meetings? >> mr. ivan was not involved. we weren't participating in that. these were private entities, private individuals, meeting with russian officials. certainly within their right to do that. i don't know how much foreknowledge we had on this. it wasn't like the united states or the government was involved in any way. >> martha: but he was aware of it? >> i think in general, we were aware that discussions were happening at a private level. but we weren't passing messages through them. we weren't setting the stage for them. we weren't encouraging those discussions or engendering them in any way. >> martha: and those discussions were about negotiations with russia? shouldn't have ukraine known about those, as well? >> the president has been clear. we will have no discussions with russia about negotiating an end to this war without ukraine at the table. >> martha: shouldn't they have known about these private meets if jake sullivan knew? >> these were private discussions. and the united states govern

the national security adviser, jake sullivan, shot that down yesterday, said absolutely not the case.>> well, i'm very glad and, of course, we knew that officially u.s. had nothing to do with it. i'm very surprised that anyone on the expert level would even talk of these war criminals. they have to stop the war and leave the country, and then we can discuss something with them about reparations and everything else. right now we have to win this war together. it's about principles. griff: ambassador oksana markarova, thank you very much, madam ambassador. >> thank you. aishah: the brand new jobs numbers are out, and they are positive. but why isn't main street feeling any better about the economy? we're going to ask jonathan hoenig next. ♪ ♪ heritage is ingrained in our skin. and even when we metamorphosize into our new evolved form, we carry that spirit with us. because you can take alfa romeo out of italy. but you best believe, you can't take the italy out of an alfa romeo. ♪ ♪ aishah: the u.s. labor market showing signs of cooling with the june jobs report adding 209,000 jobs, marki

. >> we spoke with national security adviser jake sullivan on air force one last night and jake said, yes, the president has spent a lot of time waicing this. he did receive a unanimous endorsement from the national security council that it was the right thing to do. they recognize, though, that not every ally in the war against russia here is supportive of that. in fact, it could be a flashpoint even later today. ishi sunak, his country is a signatory. they boenlt be participating with the cluster bombs, but jake sullivan suggested he downplayed the tense moment and doesn't think it will strain the alliance's immunity at all. this is a strained conflict and the u.s. changes every so often. the goalposts change in terms of what kind of weapons they need. they're pretty clear. ukraine is not going to be admitted to the alliance. not any time soon. there does seem to be the fact that sweden is on the doorstep. biden spoke from air force one. a deal has not been done. could be close. might get done this week at lithuania. at the heart of it is the f-16s turkey wants. what's the latest yo