lindsey graham is lying. lindsey graham is lying about a false equivalence between hillary clinton's handling of classified information while she was in office as secretary of state and donald trump's handling of classified information and other government records after he left office and took those records with him as a private citizen. but lindsey graham is also lying about trump supporters and he is insulting them. if donald trump is indicted, 74 million trump supporters will do exactly what they did when donald trump lost the election. nothing. the hundreds of them who might be inclined to write in the streets are spread out throughout the 50 states and it is possible that most of them will have already been convicted of riding for donald trump at the capitol of january six, and the ringleaders of that riot at the capitol are all in prison. there will not be writing in the streets in this country of 330 million people of donald trump is charged with a crime. not 1 million people have ever publicly gather

senator lindsey graham continues to fight his subpoena to the grand jury. filing today, fani willis said this. even in a motion purportedly requesting partial quashing of the subpoena, senator graham insists that each and every possible topic of grand jury inquiry is forbidden. joining us now is gwen keys fleming, former district attorney for the decab county, georgia and corner other of the report, fulton county georgia's trump investigation. thank you very much for joining us tonight with your local experience there it is incredibly helpful. and knowing district attorney fani willis as you do and what she might do next. on the lindsey graham subpoena, as we are seeing it, it's taken a little bit longer than some of these local georgia subpoenas for example, the governor's subpoena to work it out through the federal and state courts. what do you expect next in that? >> well, i think what we will have next is the district court judge will decide for a third time the extent to which senator graham will have to appear before the grand jury. i say that because

who won explains lindsey graham? his weakness and falling over donald trump is something we had never seen in a senator before donald trump invaded the republican party. whatever explains lindsey graham we may never know. perhaps we will learn more about him six months after his death as we did with strom thurman. maybe in a peculiar south carolina republican senate tradition, lindsey graham has a secret. and the person lindsey graham knows who loves secrets the most is donald trump. we know now know that donald trump has been happily riding around golf carts in florida knowing that in the basement he had a government document identified in the fbi inventory of the fbi search but said infiltrate, president of france. donald trump showed lindsey graham what he is capable of in the 2016 presidential campaign when lindsey graham was still campaigning against donald trump and accurately criticizing donald trump. and then this happened. >> he gave me his number and i found the card. i wrote the number down. i don't know i

you mentioned lindsey graham. he tried a little bit yesterday to clarify those remarks from sunday, when he predicted there would be riots if trump were to be prosecuted for mishandling those documents. here's a reminder of what senator graham said, followed by the way he tried to temper them a bit yesterday. >> most republicans, including me, believes when it comes to trump, there is no law. it's all about getting him. if they try to prosecute president trump for mishandling classified information after hillary clinton set up a server in her basement, they literally will have riots in the street. i worry about our country. if there is a prosecution against president trump based on mishandling classified information after what happened with hillary clinton, there will be frustration, and i fear violence. i reject violence. i'm not calling for violence. violence is not the answer. >> too late, right? it's out in the atmosphere. he's already said it. and he's not alone, joe. >> yeah. >> again, is lindsey graham or o

lindsey graham is supposed to testify next tuesday. ed for an even higher federal court for a state in his case, basically delaying, again. senator lindsey graham really does not want to talk about his due diligence. and no, this case has been overshadowed in the news by all of trump's other legal insanity. but things in georgia are getting really interesting. joining us now is andrew weizmann, former fbi general counsel and former senior member of special counsel robert mueller's investigative team. he is currently a professor at nyu law. andrew, thank you so much for being with us on this friday night. >> nice to be here, alex. >> so, this lindsey graham stand a chance here? or is this just running out the clock as long as he can? >> well, i think he does not stand a chance. and i don't think he is gonna be able to run out the clock anymore. you know, he lost twice this week. the district judge ruled against him earlier this week, and the decision today was her saying, i'm not granting a stay, bending appeal, because this is so frivol

lindsey graham is supposed to testify next tuesday. , tonight we got the news that graham has asked forenator lindsey graham really doesn't want to talk about his due diligence. and know this case is being overshadowed in the news by all of trump's other legal insanity, but things in georgia are getting very interesting. joining us now is andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel and former senior member of some special counsel robert mueller's investigative team. he's a professor at and why you law. andrew, thank you for being with us on this friday night. >> nice to be here, alex. >> so, does lindsey graham stand a chance here? or is this just running out the clock as long as he can? >> well, i think he doesn't stand a chance, and i don't think he's gonna be able to run the clock anymore. you know, he lost twice this week. the district judge ruled against him earlier this week, and the decision today was her saying, i am not granting a stay pending appeal, because this is so frivolous. your claim that you have no information that would be unprotected by the speech and debate clause

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but lindsey graham has his own exposure here.ican officials and state officials in georgia to ask about the same thing that donald trump was seeking to -- to press at the end of 2020. and that was, hey, isn't the election result in georgia in question. isn't it possible that there is fraud here as donald trump said in one call to the secretary of state. you know, just find me x number of votes, which was the difference between him winning and losing. now, lindsey graham made some calls on donald trump's behalf and he has to answer for what he was doing, what was his motive and what led him to make these calls and ultimately once he answers some of those questions where he has his own exposure, i know doubt believe he'll be asked as well what about donald trump. what did you and donald trump discuss? what did donald trump ask you to do? what was his motive, what was his goal, what was his hope and what did he convey to you? and that is really important for the georgia investigation, determining motive, intent and goal. what was sa

a federal judge already told lindsey graham she was not going to quash his subpoena. m went back and said could you stay your decision and put pause on this because i'm planning to appeal. the judge got back to him on friday saying senator graham raises a number of arguments as to why he is likely to succeed on the merits, but they are all unpersuasive. now, graham does have one other iron in the fire. he also filed with an appeals court saying he plans to file his appeal and asking that court to put a stay, again, essentially to pause his required tuesday appearance while this appeal plays out. we are still waiting to see what the appeals court says about this. the district attorney who's investigating all of this in georgia, her office has said that graham is a crucial witness. they are particularly interested in a phone call that graham had with georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. raffensperger came away from the call feeling like the senate was asking him to throw away ba ballots. we'll see if he has to appear before that grand jury on tuesday. sara murr

. >>> bad news for lindsey graham and his attempts to dodge a subpoena to appear before the fulton county special grand jury. the one investigating republican efforts to overturn the election results in georgia. a federal judge refusing to put a hold on her ruling at the senator has got to appear. we are getting new information about concerns from inside the biden white house and the intelligence community about classified information taken to mar-a-lago. legal analyst and former federal prosecutor elliot williams, visiting professor of american law university, the author of how to think like a lawyer. and joining us, palm beach county state attorney dave ehrenberg. nice to see you here, we've got a law firm spread happening right now. who are we billing for this hour? we don't know, but look, it's just a week ago today that we learned from the court that trump was keeping top-secret, highly classified documents at mar-a-lago. we found out the doj interviewed two top white house lawyers about it and next week we may learn what's in the affidavit that made it so urgent for them to actually

and for lindsey graham to say, and john cornyn did the same thing, saying oh, if they went after lindseyr miss panelling documents, lindsey graham knows it and shame on him. >> and the conspiracy theory with the irs, plainly no better. they know this is terrible if they'd done anything remotely like this they'd be in handcuffs as admiral stavridis said. to move this back to the segment three hours with ben collins talking about qanon, there are people out there in this country waiting for activated. they hear the calls from chuck grassley. they hear a call from lindsey graham. say this is war, time to fight back. and now donald trump is participating in that fight, retweeting or retruthing these -- i don't -- what the term -- i just made that up. but amplifying qanon, it might be cheap to the politicians who know better but it's real to the country. >> often in american politics, we think melodramatically, by that, we have clear and good examples of good and evil. this is the evil character. if we could only banish the evil character, we would all be good. we'd be absolved of our sins. a

and we are going to see, all of us, how the lindsey graham strategy plays out. tim miller is a writer at large from the bulwark and a former rnc spokesperson. mona charen is the policy editor for the bulwark and former speech writer from nancy reagan. they both join me now. first, let me just start with your response to this thesis, that they are embedded in the institutional interest of the republican party, as a conservative party, in a democracy, for democracy to continue. and that liz cheney understands this and, at some level, is doing something that she thinks adherence to the benefit of what we have come to think of the republican party. mona? >> i have a slightly different perception of liz cheney from you. >> right. >> i think that she is being far less concerned about republicans and the fate of the republican party, and she's really all about the fate of the country, recognizing that donald trump's descendants is a threat to our very democratic system, and therefore, she has really shed a lot of her partisan concerns. i mean, you can hear it in the in

so, no, this is not a blanket immunity for lindsey graham. and he's lost this argument over and over so far in the courts. and i think he's going to continue to lose. on the delay thing, i think we have to -- i can't help but remind us of the other thing that's happening, which is the january 6th committee. that does have a deadline, right? we're just a few weeks away from the midterms. and if the house of representatives goes to the gop, that -- that effort will stop. and, so, delays have worked for those witnesses. but that's not the way the judicial system works. and it does go a bit slowly because there are rules of process, evidentiary rules, appeals, legal principals that are adhered to. and i think that's a good thing. and i think, you know, it can hold out for lindsey graham. >> again, the january 6th committee legislative functions. and there is a court of law, right, had a longer limitations on the very notion. let me bring you back in here, dave, because we're talking about what's going on here in georgia because obviously senator

lindsey graham is the follower. lindsey graham is the pilot fish. it's not that radical extremists are taking their marching orders implicitly or explicitly from lindsey graham. it does give even more of a green light to those around the former president to say, oh, if senators even now aren't leaving us behind, if they're piling on to what i say, it does encourage that to continue, as kathleen mentioned earlier. i think the danger isn't lindsay graham. the danger is what lindsey graham represents for those around the former president. >> david priest, kathleen belew, thank you both for your expertise tonight on this. >>> outfront now, elie honig, former assistant u.s. attorney. thanks for waiting. this could drop any moment from doj, they have to file this tonight. what do you expect from this filing that is, by the way, twice as long as the court initially said it should be. >> poppy, i think we'll see some serious straightening of the record here. it is quite unusual to request a double length brief. you don't do that because you want to throw in

fani willis made her case for enforcing a subpoena against south carolina republican senator lindsey grahamelection of senator graham's political ally, he called the official in another state charged with supervising the recount and suggested he change his methods. the official, as well as other participants on the call, indicated that the senator explored options to discard votes in order to assist the president. to this, senator graham response that the other participants on the calmest all be mistaken, and he asks this court, to end the inquiry there. joining us now is tim o'brien, senior columnist for bloomberg opinion and author of trump nation, and still with us is andrew weissmann. tim, what happened for allen weisselberg and donald trump today in court with a trial date now scheduled? >> in addition to this being the worst week in the courts for trump, lawrence, it's one of the craziest weeks for bad excuses to get cases dismissed lobbying ignored by judges, both lindsey graham said the subpoena against him should be clashed because everyone else who is on the call was wrong. and al

lindsey graham of course knows better.i think this is just par for the course, which is just of course trump acolytes. graham has said -- they just don't want him to face accountability. and generally there's a lot of republican sane, that's the whole idea, they want permanent power, and never face accountability from courts, from the press, ultimately from voters. so there is a big principle behind it in this drive for autonomy. but graham should be saying is that people should turn out in droves at the polls, instead of this very dangerous, dangerous threat. i don't think this will deter a single person who is investigating trump, and ultimately deciding whether to bring charges. so it's people in that regard, but it's incredibly dangerous. he's a u.s. senator, multi term united states senator. he's been a counselor to republican nominee john mccain, the president donald trump, it's incredibly scary. >> the first thing david plouffe said right there is lindsey graham knows better. he does, david, so one of the world is h

lindsey graham knows what he said last night will inflame people and is dangerous. i hear threats of violence every single day, and i will say victor, if donald trump is indicted, there will be violence. i mean, look what happened on january 6th. but those threats of violence should never stop the pursuit of justice. that's what a country who believes in the rule of law does. lindsey graham knows that and it's shameful he didn't acknowledge that. >> ron, i want your quick thoughts on that. we have all seen this horror movie before as the congressman says. if you have to be worried about violence, and of course we are after seeing the foaming at the mouth mob that came out on january 6th, then that means donald trump can never be held responsible for the things that he's done wrong like the gross mishandling of these classified documents. >> the comments from lindsey graham are really, alisyn, another measure of how much political and social life in america is changing in the trump era. i mean, you know, it happens day by day, in a way that sometimes it's easy to los

and this breaking news this hour, republican senator lindsey graham may no longer be giving testimonya grand jury scheduled on tuesday on election interference. that is because a federal appeals court today temporarily blocked graham from testifying in georgia. now sending the case back to the district court. some new questions about whether former president trump and former vice president mike pence will give testimony to the january six committee. earlier today, vice chair liz cheney was asked about the possibility of hearing from the former president himself. >> what about trump before you wrap up? are you gonna ask him to testify? >> i don't make any announcements about that this morning. so let me just leave it there. >> but it's possible you could ask him for wrapping up to testify? >> yeah. again, i don't want to get in front of committee deliberations about that. i do think it's very important as i said in the first hearing, second hearing, his interactions with our committee will be under oath. >> we're getting a fresh look at democrats messaging ahead of the midterms. sugges

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also tonight, lindsey graham and the politics of violence.says if trump is indicted, republicans will riot in the streets. quite a contrast to pivotal moments in history when nonviolence prevailed. >>> plus, the mid terms and why after roe no one with any sense is still talking about a red wave, and as kids head back to school, how to navigate the sometimes confusing guidance out there about covid and other health threats. we begin "the reidout" tonight three weeks to the day since donald trump announced that the fbi had searched his mar-a-lago home to retrieve classified documents he took with him when he left the white house. during that time the twice-impeached former president has continued to try to play the victim claiming he's under attack by the mean old biden administration and some sort of political vendetta, but in that same time span we have learned not only the multiple attempt made by both the national archives and the doj to retrieve all of these documents but how highly classified some of them were and what they contained. acc

and i fear that is the path we are going towards again with the rhetoric of people like lindsey graham going on national television and threatening a riot. of course, it's not just graham. trump is doing his part as well, he knows what he's doing. he's goading this all on just as he was in the lead up to january 6th, on january six. just days after the search of mar-a-lago he began menacing attorney general merrick merrick garland. there's no other word for it. according to a text his own team, revealed in a court filing last week, the ex president sent a message to one of his lawyers quote, president trump wants the attorney general to know that he's been hearing from people all over the country about the raid. there was one word to describe the mood it is angry. the heat is building up. the pressure is building up. whatever i can do to take down the heat down, to bring the pressure down, just let us know. trump has also been relentlessly attacking federal law enforcement, writing it is fake twitter, about the quote atrocities being perpetrated by the fbi and the doj having to do with

many of the gop are doing what senator lindsey graham has done.s important not just because he defended trump, but rather because he suggested if trump were to be indicted, there will be violence in the streets, that that would lead to trump supporters turning to violence. let's remember we're barely 18 months from when trump supporters did turn to violence on january 6th, when they rioted at the u.s. capitol, spurred on by false claims and hysterical rhetoric, rhetoric that we're starting to hear again from republicans. that's really alarming federal law enforcement, who themselves have been the subject of so many threats in recent weeks, the attack on the fbi office in cincinnati among others. there's a grave concern throughout washington and throughout the community in this nation that republicans may be doing it again and whipping their supporters to a frenzy were trump to be charged. >> we should point out lindsey graham is the chairman of the senate judiciary committee. he has oversight over the justice department, over the fbi. so his words

senator lindsey graham facing backlash after these comments on sunday. >> if there is a prosecution of donald trump for mishandling classified information, there will be riots in the streets. >> that type of rhetoric is irresponsible. >> reporter: graham now trying to clarify. >> i reject violence. i'm not calling for violence. violence is not the answer. >> just threatening it could happen. thanks. nbc's hallie jackson with that report. joe, curious, this special master potentially trump's team claiming attorney/client privilege on some of these documents, they had a long time to do this, why now? why now make those claims and it almost seems like possibly they're just trying to slow things down. >> well there is certainly nothing wrong with a special master to come in, certainly nothing wrong -- >> but why now. this is been going on a long time. >> because donald trump has not surrounded himself with good lawyers. i think early on, in the process, immediately after the search, chances are good somebody from a top flight criminal law firm would immediately call for a special master. t

this is lindsey graham's comments. i want your response. >> if they try to prosecute president trump from mishandling classified information, after hillary clinton set up a server in her basement, they literally will be riots in the street. >> donald trump posted graham's comments on social media, and then tonight graham followed up saying he rejected violence wasn't calling for violence. the thing is there's, real potential for violence especially after what we saw on january six. assist why the doj has to be so careful in all of this, but they are in a really dangerous position right now? >> yes, but also that's exactly what lindsey graham and the president trump supporters want us to think. they want this hesitation, that the idea of actually applying the law to former president trump would cause so much violence that donald trump should be allowed to escape without criminal penalty. it is an incredibly dangerous and corrosive action that they are pushing here. this is the equivalent of a mobster saying really nice

a federal judge told lindsey graham she not going to quash his opinion. on this because i'm planning to appeal. the judge got back to him on friday saying senator graham raises a number of arguments as to why he is likely to succeed on the merits, but they're all unpersuasive. graham does have one other iron in the fire. he also filed with an appeals court saying he plans to file his appeal and asking that court to put a stay again essentially to pause his required tuesday appearance while this appeal plays out. we're still waiting to see what the appeals court says about this. the district attorney who is investigating all of this in georgia, her office has said that graham is a crucial witness. they are particularly interested in a phone call that graham had with georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. he came away from that call feeling like the senator was asking him to throw away ballots in georgia in a way that would benefit donald trump. senator lindsey graham has denied that. we will see what happens for his legal challenges and if he has t

after lindsey graham said there will be riots, that is not my party anymore. to me they are turning into a nazi party. the party of death and lies is what the republican party has come to under trump. that is my comment. host: when it comes to the biden administration and taiwan, politico reporting yesterday at the administration plans to formally ask congress to improve -- approve an estimated $1.7 billion in arms sales to taiwan which would include missiles. that is from three sources with direct knowledge of the package. this news comes as china continues to send where crafts to taiwan on a daily basis is. just after nancy pelosi visited the island and condemned beijing's attempt to isolate and intimidate taiwan. china launched unprecedented military drills in response. debbie in west virginia, independent line. caller: yes. i would like to say the u.s. is very nice country. i think if we would all start pulling together like we are in the same ship, let's just pull together and get out of this recession and all this animosity. i think we could have a bette

he almost seemed to make an oblique reference to lindsey graham. what was the thinking about that? >> reporter: he didn't name him, but it was clear who he was talking about. there were these comments on sunday that senator graham said, saying this trump is prosecuted for taking this material to mar-a-lago, but hillary clinton was not prosecuted when she used a private email server, when she was -- for her communications when she was secretary of state, lindsey graham there would be riots in the streets because of it. and joe biden referenced it today, talking about senior senators going on television talking about what the reaction would be. he talked about blood in the streets, senator graham's words were "riots in the streets" if that happened. senator graham's spokesman said he was making a prediction and graham said he wasn'ted a ed a advocating for violence. >> it's notable, again, that he's doing this really for the first time in this way tonight in that we learned that on thursday, he's giving a primetime address to the nation on the subject of the soul of the nation. so wha

remember, the one rule -- the up true thing actually that lindsey graham has ever said, predicting thein 2016 he tweeted if we nominate trump we will get destroyed and we will deserve it. despite the doj providing a damning photo of document found in the trump office, house judiciary republicans, jim jordan's crew, decided to ignore all the bad stuff zeroing in on a framed "time" magazine company. though there were some cracks over at the comfy couch during an interview with south dakota governor kristi noem. >> those are the biggest secrets in the world. why would he and apparently the president, former president went through them in january, why wouldn't he say oh, you know what, i really need to turn that back over? why did he have all that stuff at mar-a-lago? >> well, that's why i think it's important that this is transparent. that's the thing. you can see folders. can you see big words on -- do we know that that is what president trump brought to his home. >> right. >> do we know that he put them there? >> welcome to the resistance, steve doocy. and some other republicans are try

a short time ago, temporarily blocked senator lindsey graham from having to testify before a fulton county special grand jury on tuesday. this blocking comes just two days after a judge had denied graham's attempt to delay the testimony. fulton county district attorney fani willis whose investigating possible election interference in georgia during the 2020 race wants to question graham about the calls he made to georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger after the election. this new ruling could now delay that not for weeks but for months according to some experts. joining me now is nbc justice reporter ryan reilly. ryan, welcome and tell us what have you heard about this reversal and now could this truly be pushback past the midterms? >> there is the potential for that but essentially what the appeal circuit was -- couldn't have them take another look at it. more narrow pathway available here. essentially, what senator graham's argued is that he's protected by a -- privilege as a member of congress and he's acting that capacity. this was in his home state. this was more in the realm o

back to lindsey graham.unate, again, you and i have both talked about the fact these republican men in leadership continue to do what their king trump says. and it's all to save their own political careers and it's sad because, you know, it gives me chills, it makes me nervous when i start to hear this rhetoric again, and the fact that trump immediately posted it to his social media network shows that he felt that was a really strong sentiment. >> stefgrisham and olivia troye, thank you. >> out front next, another republican takes out mentions of being pro-life on his congressional campaign website. is this issue giving democrats new hope for the midterms? >> plus, disturbing details about nikolas cruz's behavior during today's sentencing. >> he could be cursing and angry and throwing things. uhh... here, i'll take that! yay!!! ensure max protein, with 30 grams of protein, 1 gram of sugarr enter powered by protein challenge for a chance to win big! bubbles bubbles so many bubbles! as an expedia member you ea

kim, start with what jessica was laying out about lindsey graham.efore the grand jury in georgia. lower court told him he should app and the appeals said he should reprieve. what does this mean? >> the way this works is the lower court will make a ruling and it goes all the way up. original ruling was about whether lindsey graham can cannot testify all like complete immunity showing up based on the speech and debate clause. it went to the 11th circuit and they sent it back saying let's see if there are certain parts of the testimony that can be actually gotten from mr. graham. so i actually think -- i agree with jessica that this is a delay process but i actually think this could consolidate the ultimate appeal, because any sort of privilege, attorney/client or executive privilege or the fifth amendment needs to be implemented on a question-by-question base. i worked with ken starr in the whitewater investigation and bill clinton as a sitting president had to testify before the grand jury. lindsey graham loved that one and i think this will facilita

yet, here you have republican senator lindsey graham of south carolina saying in an interview yesterdayt that what donald trump did was okay -- >> well, this is the last defense. >> he didn't do something that would have lindsey thrown in jail in a day. but, now, this threat of violence. if you hold -- and this is where -- isn't this where it ends, really, for the republicans? joe biden said the maga trumpists, the semi-fascists. i don't know where the word "semi" came from. isn't this where it ends? they say, if you hold our people to account. if it is really true that in america, no man is above the law, well, there's going to be violence. because donald trump is above the law, lindsey suggests. if donald trump is indicted for taking 25 top secret documents, 67 confidential documents, 92 secret documents, and taking them from the white house and refusing to give them back to the federal government, despite them trying to work with him patiently. if he is indicted for doing something that would have members of congress in jail immediately, well, there may be riots out there. there may

>> you mean lindsey graham is not special?m is claiming this constitutional production, which indeed he would have if that phone call had to do with legislation that he was investigating a fact finding. the fact was he was not. the reason they are calling on him to testify is because they know he has information -- there was someone else on the other side of the phone call. investigators have already talked to the person on the other side the phone call that made it clear that lindsey graham is trying to influence the election. he was not trying to investigate the election. no, he's not trying to hold itself and specials that is the way donald trump is trying to hold himself and a special status with the idea that they can raid mar-a-lago and they can raid you. yes, they can read you if you broke the law and still documents that belong to the government, some of which are classified. you can fully expect the fbi to raid your home. -- these are axiomatic things. >> daniel moodie and eric tyler, thank you both for being with us.

discuss. >>> we want to turn to georgia where a federal judge has ruled that republican senator lindsey graham of south carolina has to testify in the alleged investigation. cnn's kristen holmes has been on the story. kristen, why has graham been reluctant, so reluctant, to testify and remind us again what his role in this case was? >> well, he has been reluctant, alex. remember, this is the fulton county investigation into donald trump's action after he lost the 2020 election in that state. graham's subpoena was around two calls that the senator had made to georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. graham had argued and his legal team argued that they should quash the subpoena due to he, quote, was making legislative acts when he was making those. as a senator, he could not be compelled to testify. now, on the other side of that, the fulton county district attorney said graham's calls were, actually, trying to explore the possibility of a more favorable outcome of president trump at that time. the judge ruled in favor of the d.a. and compelling graham to testify. in that ruling she also

some could take that, lindsey graham, an accomplished attorney in his own right in the military systems like a message, a warning. i mean, i'm sure senator graham will say he was just trying to let people know what he's hearing and what could happen. i'm more concerned, you know -- we lived through january 6th and one of the lessons we're supposed to have learned from january 6 is, what's do we do with these warnings? how do we try to prevent violence? how do those who could influence those who could be -- those who are more prone to carrying out violence, how do you project to those people, hey, don't do this. it's not right. that's not the way to do it. so that's what i would like to hear. not just from senator graham, of course, but for other leaders. those who are allies of president trump, they respond to certain messages from certain individuals and those individuals could be speaking out right now. >> some of them also respond to what they're hearing from voters. in fact, where they live. you had a conversation yesterday with the republican governor of new hampshire who is a fre

she didn't just reject all of lindsey graham's legal arguments. she just sort of destroyed them.o claim that when he called brad raffensperger, the georgia secretary of state, and urged him -- this is what raffensperger said -- urged him to toss out lawfully passed ballots, that he was involved in protected speech and debate, he was on a legislative fact-finding mission. the judge disbatched that argument in pretty short order. now lindsey graham will have a decision to make, one we know he'll appeal and fight it tooth and nail. he will land before the georgia grand jury and he'll have to decide whether to plead the fifth or testify. >> any prediction on that one? >> his lawyer will advise him to plead the fifth. alex, if a sitting senator pleads the fifth amendment before the grand jury, that's not a good look. >> fallout for sure politically. glenn, thank you for that. >>> coming up for all of you, wyoming voters decide today whether congresswoman liz cheney will stay in office after she's become one of donald trump's most vocal critics in the gop. could she have a political ca

we've just learned today that lindsey graham will not have to testify before a grand jury on tuesday. we are talking to our legal experts about wet it means for the election interference investigation in georgia. plus, monkeypox has made its way into almost all 50 states in america. the chance for us to head off this virus has to seemingly slip away. how is the white house responding? we are asking the deputy coordinator of the white house monkeypox response team. i'm simone sanders towns in, and i have something to say. the former president has repeatedly blasted any investigation into how he could resolve accountability. the majority of americans do not share that sentiment. >> 57% think investigations should continue. 57% might be disappointed to learn that the court delayed the testimony of south carolina republican senator, lindsey graham. in the fulton county georgia criminal investigation into attempted election interference in the peach state. the reason is because it all revolves around the speech and debate clause, which protects members of congress from being sued for legis

lindsey graham. >> i talked to the president just about an hour ago.at i believed he would run before. i stronger in my belief now. >> that was something, bret. >> yeah, listen, he just got off the phone with the former president. he just talked to him a couple times today according to the senator and came to that conclusion. he also came to that conclusion that this was an overreach and senator graham's words of the federal government and specifically the fbi. there's a lot we don't know here, sandra. we really need to see or hear from someone who has the search warrant, affidavit. specifically what they're looking for, what the judge, the federal magistrate down in florida agreed to as far as the cause that spurs this all on. that will tell us a little bit. we've been told by sources that it's about the classified material that the president at the time took when he left and was former president. he shipped 15 boxes to mar-a-largo in a long negotiation as you heard from david spunt. they gave some boxes back. apparently the national archives wanted m

well, senator lindsey graham is also a witness and a potential participant in donald trump's 2020 election plot, which remains in criminal investigation in georgia. graham trying to fight lawful orders to testify there, so he has at a minimum a conflict. now, graham carefully avoided linking his own legal pressure in georgia to this new apparent warning or threat. instead he argued the double standard about secret documents, which is the federal case, not the georgia case, and argues if trump were indicted on that charge, the riots would be concerned about the double standard. they would be about that. >> most republicans, including me, believes when it comes to trump there is no law. it's all about getting him. if they try to prosecute president trump for mishandling classified information after hillary clinton set you have a server in her basement, there literally will be riots in our street. i worry about our country. >> there literally will be riots in the street. uses his platform to push that idea, and uses the idea he's just sort of concerned, that this is something he worried about

>> i would say, believe lindsey graham in this case.e some people with whom i've spoken who have spoken to president trump. they want him to fly down to mar-a-lago today and make an announcement to announce the investigation, the search warrant, and then saying he was running for president. there was more of a division in trump world about the president, former president trump making the announcement before this mid-term election. some of that opposition has just dematerialized. it has disappeared. those who do want him to wait until after the mid-term. perhaps after the calendar year, realized it might be futile. that not only is the president infuriated by this, but he's encouraged, perhaps paradoxically so, a lot of people wouldn't expect this, by the fact that the entire republican establishment has rallied behind him. rallying to the chief that you see in times when leaders are in battle. running to the chief in their own party. and that's certainly happening here in spades. so it wouldn't shock me if we saw an announcement imminen

the district attorney is interested in lindsey graham because he had a phone call with georgia secretaryame away from that call feeling like graham was asking him to throw away ballots in a way that could benefit donald trump. graham has denied that this was his intent. but this is, of course, just one of the things that the district attorney wants to get to the bottom of with senator graham. we will see if he manages to get out of that tuesday appearance. back to you guys. >> sara murray, thank you so much. >>> let's dig deeper now with cnn legal analyst and former new york prosecutor paul kallan. appreciate you getting up bright and early for us. so lindsey graham says he's protected under the speech and debate clause. he's arguing he was acting in his capacity as a member of congress. what do you make of that position? >> well, good morning, boris. yeah, it is early. but, it's always nice to be with you. the speech and debate clause of the constitution is a very interesting clause and very important one. essentially when the founding fathers were putting the constitution together, the

the investigation can continue regardless of what happens with elections, and so i'm not sure lindsey grahame this one. >> dana, as we know, senator graham is an agreeable guy. why doesn't he want to just cooperate and go and tell them what he knows? >> he wants to make a point. you just heard kim talk about the fact that he is saying no, that this is an appropriate communication. he denies that he tried to pressure election officials to change anything and that he was simply checking in as is his right, not just as a senator, but as then judiciary chairman, and he wants to make a point. and he also argues that by saying yes, you're opening up the floodgates for the potential for local prosecutors to be able to call -- in differently cases to be able to call senators for whatever reason they want. i'm not sure how much that's going to fly in a case like this, which is clearly in a class of its own, in a category of its own. but that's the argument that he is making, that he should not have to testify in this situation given what he says he didn't say and given his position. >> we'll see wher

and lindsey graham's comments that you played last night.this idea that, if you do it, if you indict this individual, if you subject him to the new ordinary law, there will be held, there will be violence. the threat of that is a veto over the actions against him. >> yeah, look, the single lesson of january 6th is that the trump regime will resort to violence to accomplish things it can't accomplish politically. i think that's a hard conversation have. to your point, chris, can you actually assert that of donald trump were to come up, there be an enemies list, there will be anti democratic behavior, authoritarian behavior. to say that there wouldn't be, requires us to suspend belief and deny history. we've seen with donald trump is capable of, and when lindsey graham and other enablers do when they refused to stand up to his behavior. i think we have to call that out, and i think what you are seeing joe biden do in these past few weeks, is realize he has to make a call into the nation. why rhonda santas so carload voter fraud crusade is alre

that's the assessment of american senator lindsey graham, who was commenting on the issue of u. s. weapons supplies to kia, as long as the way up ukraine, with the weapons they need, and economic support. they will fight to the last person. but russia is foreign minister, has previously claimed its washington's intention to get ukraine to fight until the very last ukrainian while, while we are said the main task of the u. s. is not to help ukraine, but to achieve goes up. so it's nothing to do with the interests of ukraine people . meanwhile, the u. s. as a non, it's sending another $550000000.00 in arms to clear up takes its total to more than $8000000000.00 in february. let's go live now to executive vice president of the eurasia center thing tank. earl rasmussen. earl, you're welcome to the program. so you have us senator lindsey graham thing, washington will tori on arming ukrainians until the last man standing? it does beg the question, how much value does he supposedly, as stone, shall i put on ukrainian lives? well, i think i am in clear mean you've got this statement by

>> i will slow down the questioning some with regards to lindsey graham but it will probably not ultimately prevent him from having to testify as these appeals go up the chain. other witnesses have attempted to block the subpoenas from testifying. by and large -- graham has been told that he is a witness and not a target. the da is interested in the calls that he made to raffensperger that the sticker terry of state says that graham tried to influence him to throw out legitimate votes. graham denies that. he says he was just checking on the election integrity and that ultimately he voted to certify the election. but he is known on capitol hill as one of the people who was closest to donald trump. if this investigation is making its way up to trump, lindsey graham would be someone with direct knowledge and conversations of what donald trump was doing at what he was asking of lindsey graham. >> i want to also turn to the investigation in florida. we are juggling, covering so many investigations across the country regarding the for president. what is the latest you learned about it? and the co

and lindsey graham is saying, no, i don't have to answer questions before this grand jury because the that i made to brad raffensperger about any ballots and being tossed out, et cetera, was part of my job as a lawmaker. if you look at the speech and debate clause of the constitution article i section 6 says for any speech or debate in either house, they, meaning the lawmaker, shall not be questioned in any other place. but that's in civil suits. would that hold up here, do you think, in this grand jury probe? >> yeah, it's sort of like everybody's kind of right on this, and it's a complicated legal issue. look, the debate clause really does protect much of what members of congress do. it was started or put in place to prevent members of congress from being sued for things like defamation, for things they say on the floor of the house of representatives. and, poppy, it's gotten expanded beyond that. it really protects anything members of congress are doing when they are doing their jobs. the question is, are you doing your job as a member of congress when you're placing phone calls on