shapiro, an a.p. headline. i was young, just 13, apologizes for having an israel themed barmitzva. >> gillian: two weeks ago we were told by the white house and the biden campaign that he went to bed one night determined to stay in the race, 100%, woke up the following day, made the decision, announced two hours later to the american people. now we're being told that as of two hours ago, vice president harris had not chosen her running mate. she made the decision about a half hour later. we're now confirming that decision. does any of this square with your knowledge about campaigns and politics and how stuff actually works? it seems suspect to me. to say the least. >> it was a last minute decision. trump made a last minute decision in vance. he had it in his mind kind of who he want ed but it was a day of decision and he made the call to vance and he missed the call on the plane. so the story goes. this morning i do think there is a question of decisiveness here. it is a two-week period but she woke up. accordi

is shapiro the strongest she could pick, beat be objective? >> so josh shapiro is the strong. he is the, you know, michael, they always say when people selected an athlete in the draft, we pick the best athlete available in the draft. josh shapiro is the best political athlete in this draft class, period, full full-stop, gifted order, great guy, moderate he is he's definitely the strongest pick. >> however, comma that being said, you talked about this earlier in your show and i've heard you speak about it before. the democratic party has an anti-semitism problem, they have a huge problem with anti-semitism in their, in their progressive wing. and query, does josh shapiro's pick, does that cost them the state of michigan? i don't know. i don't know what their internal numbers look like. look, i think mark kelly, you know, michael, i went to west point, a military guy served in combat and mike, mark kelly, i agree with tear on. this is a very strong pick from that perspective david, the numbers, but real quickly, yeah the ai sense that you don't know what today's poll question i

>> so josh shapiro is strong. he is the, you know, michael, they always say when people selected an athlete in the draft, we pick the best athlete available in the draft. josh shapiro is the best political athlete in this draft class period, full stop gifted order, great guy, moderate he is, he's definitely the strongest pick. however, comma that being said, you talked about this earlier in your show and i've heard you speak about it before the democratic party has an anti-semitism problem, they have a huge problem with anti-semitism in their, in their progressive wing and query does josh shapiro's pick, does that cost them the state of michigan i don't know. i don't know what their internal numbers look like. look, i think mark kelly, you know, michael i went to west point and military guy served in combat and mike, mark kelly, i agree with terror on this it's a very strong pick from that perspective you're david, the number of even real quickly though yeah. >> i sense that you don't know what today's poll questi

vance called shapiro. this is before obviously wall suspect they call them like a knockoff obama and shapiro was asked about it. and he said something along the lines of brock obama was the greatest order of our time. is that supposed to be an insult? and it reminded me there was this generation of senators, governors in like the 80s that we're just so focused on john f kennedy and trying to look and sound like john f. kennedy, gary hart, the senator from colorado, perhaps foremost among them they were just doing everything they could consciously are unconsciously. and i agree he you can hear that he learned from barak obama and that somebody else i heard speak recently in atlanta was senator jon ossoff who also has the obama cadences and way of speaking even if the word you all comes more naturally to ossoff, then shapiro you know, what did they say you know, great artists steal or whatever, bad artists borrow great artists steal. so i mean there it is. >> i mean, it's not, it's not unfair at all. and i t

we have to consider that shapiro declined. he did that because perhaps he's looking at '28, perhaps he should have been, if we had an open convention and democrats could choose, obama was right, they wouldn't choose kamala harris. they would choose maybe somebody like that in an effort to recalibrate a dying party that cannot relate to the american people. so i think there is a point like, in losing your staff, maybe some people talked to her enough to think, oh, this is not the right train. this is not going to happen. and mr. walz, maybe he is just going to have some fun, maybe he sees this as lifting himself up. he certainly is not at the top of the list for the democrats in '28. shapiro could be, because then it's an open field. we don't know, that it just tells you the nature of, i think, the corruption, what decent people might reject, and what people are looking forward to, and that intact kamala harris is deemed, perhaps even in the democratic party, is not the one who's going to enact this race. >> harris: if i could

, , ., , shapiro? it seems that they were the two finalists, — shapiro?he two finalists, maybe _ shapiro? it seems that they were the two finalists, maybe mark _ shapiro? it seems that they were the two finalists, maybe mark kelly - shapiro? it seems that they were the two finalists, maybe mark kelly of. two finalists, maybe mark kelly of arizona was the third, and they were brought in over the weekend for final interviews, but let's think about the calculation, josh shapiro and, mike kelly, they will work hard between now and election day to elect kamala harris —— josh shapiro and tim walz. so whether he's the vice president or not, he will put his muscle behind harris, but we don't know why kamala harris went with tim walz, but hopefully they will report about that. she had a lot of great choices and options, if you think about what is happening in the last six weeks, it is crazy to think about, six weeks agojoe biden was at the top of the ticket and he was at the top of the ticket and he was about to debate donald trump, kamala harris was relatively ob

i thought it might be to do this rollout in shapiro's home state if you're not going to pick shapiro, they could have done this rollout. name should get it. they could have done this rollout and wisconsin someplace where there wasn't one of the finalists, wasn't from. so wouldn't seem like in your face, move but also even if it's a second-order, third-order issue, the fact that a lot of people sometimes boosted by the trump campaign, we're now learning. but a lot of people in the democratic party and on the very online left singled out because he's jewish and they did single them out because it's jewish. he doesn't have any positions on israel. there are different from any other people who's competing with or from kamala harris? but the whole genocide josh thing, the fact that walt's seem seems like the safer pick. ben shapiro tells you something about the problems running through the democratic party. >> well, and, you know, there has been some polling that has shown that there are higher negatives among especially young democratic voters, force shapiro than there were for some of th

shapiro sort of set the stage, not to be as her number two. yeah okay. >> everybody standby because our special coverage is going to continue we just saw the first rally with vice president harris and governor walz. and we're going to continue talking about that. jake tapper is going to be with us again from philadelphia. maybe he's gonna have a wristband. i don't know. kaitlan collins is going to join as well, stay with us erin burnett outfront he's brought to you by ai leah hd if you have. wet amd, you never want to lose sight of the things you loved. >> we some things should stand the test of time long-lasting. i leah hd could significantly improve your vision. >> more people on islay hd had no fluid in the retina compared to those on alia at four months? >> i leah hd is the only wet amd therapy that helped eight out of ten people go up to four months between injections after three initial monthly treatments. if you have an eye infection, eye pain, or redness, or allergies to wailea hd. don't use ai injections like olea hd may cause infecti

shapiro, i like shapiro law. he's a baller. he's a natural man. i've had we had him on her show and he's just he's got instincts. he's just he knows he knows how to have a role and i think that he's additive you know, you asked me who i like. i'm a political guy, right? and you had sort of the egg as saying, well look, who's going to go? well, you got to get there first shapiro can get you there. is controversy. sure. but you don't throw deep without the possibility of interceptions and that's, and that's, that's why i like it. i'm a gambler. i think it's a great pick so listen, i think kelly and waltz or good choices, but they're obviously safe choices. i just don't think he played it safe in an election like this. you gotta go for it. >> do you think there's any risk in terms of deflating some of the enthusiasm that has been on display for harris or ramifications in places like michigan i think just the opposite. i think shapiro again, i think he just has such incredible instincts and he's so good and when you see him on the ticket to see him an

vance, are singling out shapiro. let me play what vance said today and how shapiro responded ms lot of talk is going to be this guy, josh shapiro from pennsylvania, who i've seen a couple of clips of him talking. >> he talks like barack obama. it's like it's like if i did try to do a really bad impression of brock obama, that's what it's what it would sound like is this guy, josh shapiro, bragg obama was probably our most gifted order of my time side. it's kind of a weird insults look i'll say this about j.d. >> vance. it is real hard being honest with the american people when you're not being honest with yourself j.d vance is a total phony baloney what's your reaction? does it seem to you for michael that the vans trump ticket or a little bit worried about a shapiro i mean, like it's like if you're a box are going yeah, it's like if you're a box of going into the match and not necessarily worried you prepare for these things and you hope that mentally that you're ready to go the long route here. >> but i would say j

vance, are singling out shapiro. let me play what vance said today and how shapiro fonda it ms lot of talk is going to be this guy, josh shapiro from pennsylvania, who you know, i've seen this a couple of clips of him talking. he talks like barack obama. it's like it's like if i did try to do a really bad impression of brock obama, that's what it's what it would sound like is this guy, josh shapiro, bragg, obama is probably our most gifted order my time side. it's kind of a weird insults but look i'll say this about j.d. >> vance. it is real hard being honest with the american people when you're not being honest with yourself j.d. vance is a total phony baloney what's your reaction? doesn't seem to you, you're michael that the vance trump ticket or a little bit worried about a shapiro i mean, look it's like if you're a box are going yes, it's like if you're a box of going into the match and not necessarily worried you prepare for these things and you hope that mentally that you're ready to go the long route here. but

but i get your point, so if it's not shapiro, why is it not shapiro?t i do come back to the chemistry question. i think these interviews she's been conducting, that vice president harris has been conducting with the possible vice presidential picks are really important. you just have to have -- you have to know, i think, this is the right person. you have to feel confident and comfortable that this is the right person. and if you're uneasy about it, then, you know, if one makes a little more political sense than the other but you're not comfortable with the one that makes more sense, i think you go with the other. you know, if there is not a huge difference. and we're talking about this. we actually do not know whom she has chosen. they have been really, really distressingly good at keeping the secret. >> really have, which says something about her operation, how tight it has been regarding leaks. there were, again, some leaks about a week ago that it looked like it was shapiro. since then, since, really, the unprecedented backlash against shapiro, the

one of those motives could be the fact that shapiro is jewish.ritical of the netanyahu government, but he's jewish and there is worry about the gaza protesters. i saw this in the "l.a. times" just before the choice was made. what kind of fences will the police have -- speaking of the dnc. will they bring dogs? this is someone who organized these gazan protesters. he stopped in the shadow of the united center, where the dnc will be, and he said this will draw tens of thousands of pro-palestinian demonstrators who are expected to protest against u.s. support of israel. so was kamala worried about inflaming this by picking someone like josh shapiro? >> morgan: this was a very big conversation online over the weekend, especially when it started to look like, at the end of last week, that he may be the pick. i think it probably has to do a lot more with the fact that he is an enormously talented politician and would have outshone her. when i saw him giving the speech yesterday, when i was watching it on fox, i thought, thank god they didn't take him.

shapiro and walz did make changes to their weekend plans, shapiro canceled fund raising vents in the and today walz was expected to campaign for harris in new hampshire. he canceled that event last night. as the vetting process reaches its final stage, shapiro is playing defense over an article he wrote for his college newspaper more than three decades ago. in 1993 shapiro, then a 20-year-old student at the university of rochester, wrote palestinians and israel cannot peacefully coexist. shapiro, who is view, wrote in part, palestinians, quote, do not have the capabilities to establish their own homeland and make successful -- it successful even with the aid of israel and the united states. they are too battle-minded to establish a peaceful homeland of their own, unquote. shapiro's spokesperson says the governor's views have since changed saying he, quote, greatly values their perspectives and the experiences over the years and as a result as with many view -- issues, his views have evolved into the position he holds today, unquote. shapiro says he favors a two-state solution and has

>> i do like josh shapiro.l update positively if she picks josh shapiro but the pressure she is getting from the left wing of the party not to choose him is pretty ridiculous. all he's said on israel is it has a right to exist and there's no place for antisemitism in america. if that's too extreme for the left wing of the party, that doesn't tell me about him. that tells me about the democrats. >> trace: thank you both. coming up, new radio transmissions revealing just how bad communication was at the trump rally site between the secret service and local law enforcement meaning the security disaster in butler is getting worse. we'll have the latest. in the nightcap, harris set to announce her new running mate. we'll show them to you. >> so pennsylvania's governor josh shapiro is being discussed. he also endorsed her tonight. in your view, what are the pros and cons for putting him on the ticket? >> he's a first term governor. he's jewish. there could be risks in putting him on the ticket. >> trace: so shapiro a

, josh shapiro, josh shapiro for vice president., we need you. reporter: the vied owe is not a leaked announcement and the mayor was supporting the pennsylvania governor josh shapiro potential vice presidential candidacy and the campaign saying "we don't expect to have updates till the vice president announces who will be serving as her running mate and next vice president of the united states. harris is plan ago battleground state blitz with her vp next week with campaign events scheduled in pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan, north carolina, georgia, arizona, and nevada. guys, back to you. rachel: thank you. meanwhile donald trump weighing in on the choice potentially it looks like. we don't know for sure of pennsylvania governor josh shapiro. he said there's some pluses and minuses for her. listen. >> i don't care. let them do whatever. they still want to have open boarders. if she picks shapiro, you'll lose the palestinian vote, and that's fine. everybody has their liables. i think if she picks shapiro, and loses middle palestini

he was your chief of staff and talking about shapiro shapiro in fetterman, are two of the most popular democrats in pennsylvania, but there appears to be according to politico, a kind of a rift between them. do you have any idea why would fetterman be so concerned about shapiro? and do you think that gives pause to the people of your state of pennsylvania? >> well, they're both ambitious. >> it's not a one-sided deal, so they've had some differences. they served together on the board of pardons in pennsylvania and didn't agree on everything so they've bumped up against against each other. >> i don't take back anything that i said a few years ago. it was true then and i stick by it but josh has grown as a politician. he's maturities 51 now and he's done a fine job as our attorney general and our governor and any matches up so well with camila that these differences in personality disagreements pale in comparison to the importance of this national election harrison shapiro both former prosecutors they pair up so well against the felonious mr. trump josh's is so smart and bright, has exec

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shapiro, a strategic pick.t presidents learn over time that the best way to pick a vice president is for somebody you are personally comfortable with, somebody that shares your philosophy. i think tim walz won this. there's not a long history of walz and harris having a personal relationship. i think walz won this on tv. i think walz was able to show that he can do the things you need a running mate to do, go on the attack, keep your opponents on their feet, but translate your governing style to a different constituency. i like to say, sometimes people speak washington and sometimes people speak american. tim walz speaks american. he will not tell you about a subcommittee chai. he will talk about helping veterans and things like that. in that sense, it strikes me that's what harris is looking for. it does tell me -- i have a yellow flag going, huh, if you squeal loud enough, she hears and responds. there's going to be people that will come away from this experience thinking, huh, the progressive backlash is wha

governors walz and shapiro.nated but it'd be a surprise if it wasn't one of those two men. pros and cons of both. >> they're both very good choices. she had wanted a governor, which i think makes a lot of sense. she comes from the senate, so it's sort of a different side of the government. walz has got this certain kind of very charming personality, even though he's not super old, he sort of reads as a little bit older in a way that people like. you know, he's a hunter. he was an enlisted man. he's had a lot of success, national guardsman. whereas, shapiro is just different. you know, shapiro also has very sort of personable things about him. i think that, look, you know, if the mantra is do no harm, which you talked about earlier, minnesota nice is going to go far in this campaign. i think that, you know, walz is someone -- i've interviewed him. i'm sure you've interviewed him. he is a very, very charming guy. but shapiro is, too. she can't go wrong. you know, as donald trump says, he doesn't think that the vic

what's your sense on josh shapiro? what's your sense on the shortlist that exists look, you've come under heavy fire today, but it's coming under heavy fire today because he is the most logical person to get this ticket across the finish line. >> pennsylvania is must-win. he's amazingly popular in pennsylvania and he's a beloved figure in pennsylvania, and he can make a tremendous difference. he pulls republican and democratic votes every time he raises his hand for, for public office. and so he's coming under fire but it will take some courage on her part to have let's just be honest here of black and jewish ticket. a black and jewish ticket with a woman leading the charge that if a legends are about change versus more of the same this is real change. this would be a courageous pick to say, we are not afraid of bigotry, we're not afraid of anti-jewish bias, would not afraid of anti-black bias. we're not afraid of anti-women woman bias. we're going to pick strong leaders no matter what they look like, no. like no matte

, josh shapiro there in philadelphia.what are you hearing from democrats about what they are making of tim walz as the pick. julia: most democrats i talk to are very excited about tim walz. they look at josh shapiro and tim walz as two people that would have been great to balance out the ticket for kamala harris. i believe nomia in her package talk to that -- talked about how harris comes from california and getting someone from the blue wall of the united states that midwestern part, going into pennsylvania would have been helpful to her. however, a lot of progressives over the past three to four days, particularly pro-palestine progressives, were really hittg josh shapiro over his stances on israel, which quite frankly aren't terribly different from tim walz's stance on israel, and josh shapiro's response to some of the pro-palestinian protests that took place following october 7 in pennsylvania. there has been chatter among democrats as to whether this is anti-semitism, because we do know that josh shapiro is an observ

the argument is that perhaps - mr shapiro might have been vote mr shapiro might have been a vote loserecause like joe biden,| he's a very staunch supporter of israel and that has been losing the democrats' votes. _ the us vice president, kamala harris chooses the governor of minnesota, tim walz, to be her running mate for november's presidential election. he's now in philadelphia, where kamala harris is going to hold a rally shortly. we'll be live in philadelphia. also on the programme... hamas announces that yahya sinwar, israel's most wanted man, has been chosen as the new head of the group, taking over from ismail haniyeh — who was assassinated in the iranian capital, tehran, last week. the uk prime minister holds the second emergency meeting in two days after another night of violence and unrest on the streets in parts of the country. and the us southern city of charleston extends a curfew until wednesday as it prepares for tropical storm debby. but first, we start with our breaking news and hamas has announced that yahya sinwar, israel's most wanted man, has been chosen as the new

will josh shapiro be there for the real josh shapiro is a good democrat. josh shapiro has a rising star in the democratic party. josh shapiro is a future president in the eyes of many democrats younger than walls. so can he help? does he help bring the party together to say, let's move on together. so fascinating. i was just i was about to get on the train to philadelphia. and when we were getting this reporting, i delayed the train by an hour to be here. but it's look, these are always fascinating picks. and again reporters obsess about them. people go nuts about them, and then in the end, you don't see how much impact i don't know that those rules apply anymore because we're in such uncharted territory with a campaign this late with donald trump's vice presidential pick having a more of a rocky rollout and so if you've watched governor walz has impressed everybody, he was a dark horse in this race, came up when he has impressed everybody in this race with his weird labeling, with his appearances on television. what does the vice presidential candidate? d

and just a - word on josh shapiro, the favourite word onjosh shapiro, the favourite for many people tot, but was he may be seen as being too similar in terms of the demographic to kamala harris and may be too metropolitan? whereas tim walz can may be appealed to more rural areas? ~ , �* rural areas? when president biden stood down — rural areas? when president biden stood down just _ rural areas? when president biden stood down just over _ rural areas? when president biden stood down just over two - rural areas? when president biden stood down just over two weeks i rural areas? when president biden i stood down just over two weeks ago, there was not much of a fight to replace him, and the party quickly coalesced around kamala harris much to the anger of the republican party who claimed that it was unlawful and it was a coup, although legally none of that history. what we have seen with the vice presidential pick, that has become the sort of fight, the democratic primary fight that we never had, because it did take on a bitter tone, josh shapiro was the favourite but he has been bloodie

this guy josh shapiro is good.ess something happens that prevents him from running in 2028. >> jesse: what do you think that could become a judge? >> greg: i'm not ready to say. >> jesse: have you heard something -- >> jessica: like kamala harris running for reelection? >> jesse: no, something else, jessica. >> greg: because he is jewish and democrats hate jews, jessica. >> jessica: i told you how much we love speech when he seven. >> judge jeanine: this guy is phenomenal he may have stepped on himself in the past. >> greg: what about that whole story in philly about the woman -- >> judge jeanine: we don't know everything. >> greg: i have free speech. there was a woman that was declared a suicide when in fact it was a homicide. >> jessica: stab wounds -- >> judge jeanine: no, no, no. >> jessica: now she wants to talk. >> judge jeanine: i just have to -- >> jessica: no -- >> judge jeanine: at first they said it was a homicide, then she said it was a suicide,. they had to go to the highest court in the state of penns

and josh shapiro was the runner up here.contest to be the running mate for vice president harris and he's very popular in pennsylvania, 61% approval rating, which is hard to come by. >> anybody popularity why not pick him you know, i mean, that's between kamala harris and herself. >> i mean, these vice presidential picks are so intensely personal. this is somebody you have to spend a lot of time with, not just the next 90 days, but if you're elected four years in that white house, and i think that that's really critically important. i am up the school of thought that vice presidential picks donald trump sad don't have a huge electoral impact. i don't necessarily think that you can just say, okay, this person is going to give hand you the same sure. >> what would it help in pennsylvania? >> absolutely. but there's more to this than that. and i think ultimately shapiro i think fit is important but, you i also think that when you look at the principle of do no harm, maybe they did say it in a state like minnesota. do we want to

harris is republican rivals also attacking a potential shapiro pick i think if she picked shapiro, who happens to be jewish, she loses her little palestinian base because she has, because they like me because they think i'm going to bring peace to the middle east there's a lot of talk is going to be this guy, josh shapiro from pennsylvania, who you know, i've seen this a couple of clips of him talking. >> he talks like barack obama talks like barak obama joining me now to discuss all this, nic johnson, he's the publisher of axios and kadia goba. she political reporter at semafor. nick. i got to start with you on the undertake tokens there that we just heard. >> a company brock obama. >> yeah. i mean, i had i had read that the internet calls him veruca obama era reference to his jewish faith, but also he seems to be modeling himself on brock obama. but look big picture. >> this is a big decision. it's going to be the biggest decision harris has made so far for her presidential campaign. shapiro had been seen as likely the front runner, but has really come under scrutiny here as we come

josh shapiro, the republicans were scared of josh shapiro. republicans were scared of mark kelly. they were not scared of government waltz, but they should be they should be because what you just saw night was extraordinary. this was somebody i've heard from my most conservative friends. am i most liberal friends and even my radical friends. everybody's like this guy is amazing because he talks like a normal person about stuff that people really care about. and it's effective. and to david's point trump was ready to go with strength versus weakness i'm strong. biden's week give me the job. this is not that this is old and sorry and pathetic and boring and doom and gloom versus young and exciting and fresh and new and that's a different fight. it's the past versus the future is a completely different fight or the other thing is that attorney kamala harris has managed to do something without relying on donald trump to do it. she is united this party. we just say that the only thing that unite this party is donald trump she's not talking about d

he is to the left of shapiro.s to the left of a lot of center democrats and center-leaning republicans and so that's going to be a challenge in the great lakes midwest as you pointed out. if it's a base election, that is more like what hillary clinton ran in 2016 as opposed to barack obama in 2008. less aspirational. more divisional and makes the race more tight than we originally thought. >> bill: we know how well you know ohio and pennsylvania and the upper midwest states. does walz help her in a state like georgia? does that change the balance in the peach state? >> i'm not sure. i have to go back down to georgia. however, i would initially say no, it doesn't. he is more of an appeal -- i think the appeal to try to get the midwest, to try to get the blue collar voters in the midwest. i'm not quite sure what his appeal is. i could be wrong, but what his appeal is in georgia. >> bill: rich, how do you see it when you know in the end voters pretty much vote for the top of the ticket and not the v.p.? >> they do. i

who josh shapiro is.emocrat. there's not much daylight between his records. when josh shapiro was attorney general and as governor of pennsylvania he's been incredibly soft on crime. kamala harris wants to defund the police. josh shapiro has repeatedly voted to raise property taxes in the commonwealth. we know kamala harris wants to continue to increase our taxes even on top of her record high inflation crisis and josh shapiro is anti-american energy. he said he wants to criminalize the oil and gas companies in this country. imagine what that will do to good paying jobs in pennsylvania if you want in order shapiro and harris america would look like look at the streets of san fran were common luck comes from and look at the streets of philly and i'll never forget the conversation that i had with the young woman named tatiana from kensington. neighbourhood that's been devastated by the appeared crisis in the city of philadelphia. she volunteered to be a motorcade driver for 1 president trump's rallies and s

unlike the with shapiro's state, it's easier to combine a harris and walz.nneapolis burned, and you can tie that to harris as well, the bell funds she set up. i think those two coming together has the downside. >> trace: and while minneapolis was burning, you had walz saying it happened under your guidance, and that was a problem. speaking of $60 dominoes people, while californians have some of the highest ults in the u.s., they're moving quickly away to fossil fuels to build transition lines to build the power. as a result, residents have seen their electricity bill for ranch style house 2,000 square feet hit over $1,000. her rent is $1,200, julie. how is that for a $60 pizza? >> this is why people are leaving california in droves. people want to be able to live, raise their kids in a safe area, want to be able to afford their rent. and we have so much dysfunction on every level. i can't even begin to describe. and the things we're dealing with in california, with the public utilities, with abruptly cut off service to # 135 homes, it's constant corruption a

certainly, governor josh shapiro has to be right at the top of that list. she will make that decision. that is her right? and responsibility. we need to fight, stay focused as democrats moderate, liberal republicans and independents. we need to stay focused on the one thing that would bring all of us together, which is keeping donald trump out of the white house. and nowhere near 1,600 pennsylvania avenue. >> well, we'll see if that is shared opinion among them. electorate in the states that will ultimately decided. but i have to ask him if he announcement is coming on tuesday and it's going to happen in philadelphia now philadelphia, pennsylvania governor, does this mean shapiro? would i mean, i can't imagine having the grace if you're the governor of pennsylvania and somebody else comes to your major city and it's not you next to him. what do you think well, first and foremost, no matter what vice president harris decides, i know josh shapiro well enough to know he is a good, strong, loyal democrat. >> he wants to win for this country first foremost, shou

i think at the end of the day shove shapiro is a -- governor shapiro is a great governor, he would have been an excellent pick. vice president kamala harris had to make the decision. this was her decision to make. she took recommendations, if you will. there was a selection committee that also helped and did a number of interviews. then they gave recommendations to the vice president. we know former attorney general eric holder, his team went through the vetting. she got a full briefing on what they found, where she could ask her own questions. obviously had a sit-down interview with -- interview if you will, with all of the candidates. and eventually made her own decision. and so that's how the process works out. i don't think people should read too much into some of what is in -- what has been reported out there in the news about some of the things that happened in governor shapiro's past because the nature of the decision is the vice president's alone. i think tim walz is great. he literally was a teacher. minnesota is one of the best states to do business, many large fortune 500 com

fetterman andand shapiro not besties.elf in pennsylvania the next days or so and keep his foot on the pedal he can have an effect for harass. oh, this is what he would have delivered in pps, a popular governor in as you say the most crucial electoral battleground. >> if he certainly does that and helps tip pennsylvania to her column, that's such good will for his own political future. let's talk about walz, though. let's talk about the pick. give your assessment how he did last night, how did that play in the room? you were there. and where do they see how he can impact the electoral map? >> it's funny. all his charms kind of make it seem like this is uncharted territory for him. he's reportedly warned the campaign he's not going to use a teleprompter. he's warned the campaign he's maybe not the greatest debater. including governor shapiro, the crowd didn't know what to make of him. this is north philadelphia. this is not minnesota. there are different vibes, so the sort of midwest thing is maybe isn't the peak home audie

is that fair to governor shapiro? i would argue not the policies have all these governors or even senator kelly policies have all the finalists on this. we're pretty similar that we think they think netanyahu has crossed some lines. they also think you don't, don't ever forget that hamas is a terrorist organization that started that started all this back on october 7. she going to have to answer these questions when she does interviews, she will have to answer these questions and how she answers it. we'll show you how she's now the ceo of the democratic party. she wants to be ceo of the united states of america. so you get asked tough questions comes with the territory. >> i do have to say, i don't know if it was performative or not. but one did get the sense from republicans the last week that shapiro may have been the candidate that they feared the more is that fair do you think that republicans see more of an opening now with waltz? >> i think republicans understand the importance of pennsylvania. and if you could

is expected to join her today in philadelphia leaves many to believe joining on ticket, shapiro hasiticism from progressives over support for israel, and previous comments on palestinians, said that pick comes -- to polls in michigan and missouri for primaries for foreign i will say especially israel top issue michigan has large area of muslim population, 100,000 primary votes uncommitted, in missouri squad democrats rallying for cori bush her ant israel comments have her fighting for political life in that seat one of congress's harass of the critics of israel and operation in gaza giving all that i laid out to you what does it mean if she does choose shapiro this morning. >> all those lead to pennsylvania for harris electoral success, so, he could help her in pennsylvania that being said at expense of michigan is that expense of -- kind of interesting josh shapiro has been largely criticized especially this weekend for comments made in 1993 advocating for two-state solution, saying that palestinians are more battle mind, tim walz other contender for vice president slot not jewish,

vance against governor shapiro. shapiro responded today, let's listen to both and, there's a lot of talk is going to be this guy, josh shapiro from pennsylvania, who you know, i've seen this a couple of clips of him talking. he talks like barak obama. it's like it's like if i did try to do a really bad impression of brock obama, that's what it's what it would sound like. is this guy josh shapiro, bragg, obama is probably our most insults j.d v total phony baloney. he is the most inorganic candidate. i think i have ever seen on the national stage what do you think of the exchange and that sort of preview of josh shapiro potentially being an attack dog for harris guys, you're both pretty it's fine we all get it look i my view is this shapiro is objectively their best choice. >> he is the most popular person from the state that they have to win the problem. i mean, everybody's tip toeing around it. is that kamala harris has a large chunk of her base is a wash and anti-semitism. they hate josh shapiro and she's going to

so what is josh shapiro, do? he runs a little bit stronger in these white working class places, in places where donald trump does really well a little bit stronger know tim walz has done and the same thing in minnesota. this is one of the things your question does that transfer over that's one of the reasons that mitt romney pick paul ryan and they lost wisconsin. so let's be careful about this, right? let's, it doesn't always translate. but if you're thinking about going into those smaller communities, going on local television markets into pennsylvania or michigan, or wisconsin, that's one of the reasons you debate shapiro and walls based on their past electoral history, have they run in places where trump has hurt the democratic party for both of them, the answer is yes. does that translate to a presidential race? big question mark. >> alright, i heard some chuckling there in the background. bakari, you first no, i was just chuckling because what happens if both of those candidates only marginally improve your

shapiro, the republicans were scared of josh shapiro. republicans were scared of mark kelly. they were not scared heard of governor waltz, but they should be they should be because what you just saw night was extraordinary this was somebody i've heard from my most conservative friends. am i most liberal friends and even my radical friends. everybody's like this guy is amazing because he talks like a normal person about stuff that people really care about. and it's effective. and to david's point trump was ready to go with strength versus weakness. i'm strong. biden's week giving the job. this is not that this is old and sorry and pathetic. and boring and doom and gloom versus young and exciting and fresh and new and that's a different fight. its the past versus the future. it's a completely different fight or the other thing is that attorney kamala harris has managed to do something without relying on donald trump. you do it. she is united this party. we just say that the only thing that unite this party is donald trump she's talking abo

we're waiting for josh shapiro to come out.crowd. when you look at the crowd, and trump's now trying to make excuses for why he's not drawing crowds like that any more and they're holding people outside like reporters can't go outside and see there is nobody outside. i mean, he's -- this is driving him crazy, just that shot right there. >> we'll leave it up. we'll leave it up. >> that is driving him crazy. he's probably going to social media right now saying some of the ugliest things in the world. >> they've been doing it all day. >> this momentum, we were talking with maxwell frost in the last block about vibes. he took me to school. this is not something that i worked on campaigns, and this could not be manufacture and these people that took time out of their day today to see their candidate for president, vice president kamala harris. >> yeah, and those vibes in philly sound like the vibes that i saw in atlanta just last week when she was at the rally here. the doors were open for hours. they have the same level of enthusia

josh shapiro is a popular sitting governor. but again, that is no guarantee that those 19 electoral votes end up in kamala harris's column on election night, jim, and i don't know that this is a risky pick. it feels rather safe pick because in the sense that if the harris campaign saw a couple of weeks that they sparked something among democrats and got enthusiasm going and got a party that was far more engaged in this election than they had been when joe biden was atop the ticket, young people coming back some key constituencies, coming back. this pick is something that's trying to double down on that to keep that momentum going he has a lot of fans in the labor movement in the progressive movement, key constituencies inside the party that have been electrified in the last couple weeks will say this obviously given the fact that he has a democratic legislature in minnesota and trifecta, he passed a lot of progressive legislation that is going to come under scrutiny from republicans, no doubt as will he has management of the un

that's where the other leading candidate josh shapiro is the governor . many people thought it might be him. we'll get into it later. governor walz of minnesota was elected in 2018 and led the state during the violent appeared destructive 2020 rioting sparked by george floyd's killing. and republicans are reacting to kamala harris's choice. governor desantis of florida called it the most left wing ticket in american history. congresswoman stefanik called walz a failed governor who supported blm that torched cities to the ground. senator tom cotton also hit walz for letting rioters, arsonists and looters rampage through minnesota. vivek ramaswamy says walz is a massive gift to republicans. perhaps not surprisingly former house speaker nancy pelosi likes him. >> to characterize him as left is so unreal. it is just not what -- he is right down the middle. he is a heartland of america democrat. he brings -- it is misty filing to me that seem someone i worked with right down the middle characterized on the left in this regard. that is a decision that the presi

about shapiro as well. cheryl: the energy industry is a key focus for pennsylvania. i want to ask about that. it's about the fracking industry which is 100,000 jobs and then nat gas, that is 120,000 jobs in pennsylvania but shapiro if you look back and go through his record, he at one point called when he was ag called for oil and gas companies to be criminally responsible for pollution. i understand that politically he has thread the needle in pens pennsylvania but the energy industry is a vote that he needs or at least excuse me she needs to win pennsylvania if it is shapiro. >> the interesting thing about what's happened over the course of the last, i don't know, three months or so is that whatever the democrats have said over the course of the last four, eight, 10 years, whatever it may be, they're not being held accountable to that stuff. god forbid jd vance come out and make a comment, he's going to be held accountable to that forever but kamala has been anti-fracking. now she's allowed to flip-flop.

we fed shapiro opposition research to the media. we did what we could to create more noise and discontent why were they so concerned about shapiro on the ticket shapiro sort of a dual threat in the eyes of the trump campaign. >> one, he's a governor of pennsylvania, he's got a job approval in the 60s that's really good. pennsylvania is the biggest swing stay with 19 electoral college votes and it's very crucial to trump's path to victory. essentially, if the polling is right and he wins the south and sun states as most of the polling and indicated up until relatively recently that left pennsylvania's this big prize and going up against shapir on the ticket in the trump campaign's eyes just made it more complicated also, shapira is more of a moderate record. >> he is endorsed, supported some things that republicans have supported. >> one of the things, for instance, a school choice or vouchers and in the trump campaign's eyes, this made it more difficult for them to argue or would have made it more difficult for them to argue. and ka

so what is josh shapiro, do? he runs a little bit stronger in these white working class places, in places where donald trump does really well a little bit stronger, not tim walz has done the same thing in minnesota. this is one of the things your question does that transfer over that's one of the reasons that mitt romney pick paul ryan and they lost wisconsin. so let's be careful about this, right? let's, it doesn't always translate. but if you're thinking about going into those smaller communities, going on local television markets hit pennsylvania or michigan, or wisconsin. that's one of the reasons you debate shapiro and walls based on their past electoral history, have they run in places where trump has hurt the democratic party for both of them, the answer is yes. does that translate to a presidential race big question mark. >> alright, i heard some chuckling there in the background. bakari, you first no, i was just chuckling because what happens at both of those candidates only marginally improve your chanc

either mark, kelly are josh shapiro and the betting money is on shapiro at this particular point, those 19 electoral votes from the great commonwealth of pennsylvania. but the truth is yeah, yeah, when you're looking at just a math, i mean pennsylvania is worth more than arizona when it comes to the electoral college, but she is hearing from a lot of different places whether it's some of, her longtime close confidants who i've spoke, the one who's close to harris who seemed to be more partial to beshear or two walls, but then donors really prefer shapiro. >> and so these are all the things that she's weighing in addition to you know, vary built out vetting material about who ultimately will help her the most, who ultimately does she have the best relationship with at the end of the day before jump in, let's talk a little bit more about shapiro. >> and this is him on the campaign trail and just get a sense of what he would be like as a vp candidate. >> not have a clear contrast between kamala harris and donald trump. let me tell you something. >> pretty afraid the chaos that he injected

i mean, does what is shapiro deal for michigan? >> well, the thing that he maybe doesn't michigan is win over some of those more independent center voters, swing voters. young voters appear to be starting to come back to kamala harris i was also just in georgia for her rally there and i spoke to some young voters there and they sounded much more excited about her than they had about president and biden. if she weren't a picture piro, you could think that maybe she would offset some of shapiro when it comes to those young voters. >> yeah, i think it's about balancing that ticket, right? harris seems to have that appeal. young voters, perhaps those on the progressive left, they've seemed to have rallied around her while shapiro can reassure those in the middle, and i will note at least in a political science literature vp nominees don't tend to have that much of an effect. people vote for the top of the ticket, not the bottom. the one measurable effect that does seem to be consistent, although it is quite small, is that home state af

governor shapiro pick because even though they are attacking kamala harris for not choosing shapiro, i was on the phone with someone moments before we broke the news that governor walz at the end pick who say that they hoped it was governor walz over governor shapiro because they believe there was a lot more risks, particularly with the battleground state of pennsylvania, when it came to shapiro. so even though they are insulting her for not making that choice, there's these heart of the campaign that is relieved. >> that's not something they have to contend with it again, in this critical state all right. kristen, thank you so much. i've got a great group to break it all down with us. cnn's sara sidner, bloomberg's david gura cnn commentators, david axelrod, and se cupp. what a day. david axelrod, i'm going to start with you because as far as i know, you're the only one of all of us who was actually interviewed for four vice president and that what he had joe biden, when you were at senior adviser to barak obama what do you think of the pick? >> look, the one thing about tim walz sa

whereas i think that's right where i shapiro really does have a rising star energy. i mean, the copy of obama, i'm not sure that charisma will really affect people because it has to come across as authentic. and if people know you're doing a bit of a copy of someone else, it doesn't quite hit the way it would. but at the end of the day, i think that you know, what really matters is electability. i know it's not been the habit of people to choose vp. is that our electable? but if this, if democracy really he is on the ballot, then you got to be thinking about winning schools number better than the original. >> well, i'll tell you it was pretty good. i thought too if i was in the room and he had the advantage of it being home turf, but the crowd was eating it up every second of many of them standing on their feet for the entirety of his speech. we've got a lot more to discuss. on the show coming up next a couch joke, and camouflage hats, the cultural impact of tim walz and whether that's going to stick when the saw dust settles and the engine roars, the thing you care