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it's outrageous. >> former cia director, john brennan, thank you so much for joining me this afternoonhis for us. one very prominent republican's john comparison between this new indictment, and in impeachment trial that my next guest was a key player and. prosecutor trent -- dan goldman joins me with his reaction, next. reaction, next to your hair, ingredients matter. that's why herbal essences is packed with naturally derived plant ingredients you love, and none of the stuff you don't. our sulfate-free collections smell incredible... ♪ and leave your hair touchably soft and smooth. ♪ herbal essences it's easy to get lost in investment research. introducing j.p. morgan personal advisors. hey david. connect with an advisor to create your personalized plan. let's find the right investments for your goals okay, great. j.p. morgan wealth management. my most important kitchen tool? my brain. so i choose neuriva plus. unlike some others, neuriva plus is a multitasker supporting 6 key indicators of brain health. to help keep me sharp. neuriva: think bigger. as shocking as the revelations fro

. >>> let's bring in former cia director john brennan, msnbc senior, national security analyst, also friend of the show. the question that i am dying to ask you, sir, is what did the cia know and when did they know it? there is, you know, a sense that there was some understanding inside the u.s., inside the cia that something was up with the wagner group vis-a-vis russia. to your understanding, is this something that the cia would have known about? and what would they have wanted it to happen? is this something where the u.s. was rooting for a coup? >> well, i think, joy, that i'm pretty confident that the cia knew a lot more than you and i noe knew what was happening inside of russia and ukraine. and they were keeping president biden fully informed as developments were unfolding. i think we have to show a fair amount of humility, and also what may happen. but what is very clear is that the situation i think is still very unsettled. it's very dynamic. and we don't know exactly what putin is going to do in order to try to regain control. because clearly, his very public admissions abo

. >> plus, former cia director john brennan on the national security concerns. then, a roundtable of white house insiders kate bedingfield, robert gibbs and me. >> there is an awful lot of really good republicans. that's the maga republicans are difference again. >> and the republican field shrinks by one. that is the strategy. >> every candidate needs to understand the responsibility of getting out, and getting out. quickly >> new hampshire governor christened in a joint and we live when all this starts, right now. good evening from new york. i am jen psaki for chris hayes tonight. as many of you know, i have experience working with presents. both president obama and president biden. in those jobs i have spent a fair amount of time with classified information. both in the white house and also in the state department. here is what i can tell you from my experience. despite what donald trump's lawyers are telling all of you, there isn't either a magic wand a president has to retroactively d classified documents, nor is there some sort of special declassification

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. >> here is what former cia director john brennan said this evening about jack smith's indictment ofkly, i don't think the intelligence community will never be able to determine conclusively what might even con compromised. you don't know what happened during this period of time that this was accessed. so they're going to have to do their best they can, but it's going to be over the course i think many years to determine whether or not, in fact, whether the documents that were down there were in fact -- to the detriment of national sources and national security. >> joining our continuing discussion is peter strzok, adjunct at the school of former service and the former deputy of fbi's counter intelligence division. peter, well the points that john brennan made earlier tonight is that if someone were deliberately going in there, looking at these documents, they wouldn't necessarily take the document. they would take a photo of the document. they will take a picture of it, leaving the document where it is. so even don trump doesn't know that it has been compromised. and that is the kin

on this meeting that john brennan head of the c.i.a. had at the white house with barack obama and joe biden briefing him on hillary clinton's strategy, all right? so how many years down the road are we, eight? and jim jordan says what strikes me is that nothing has changed at the f.b.i. so if he is right and the question is about public trust, how much does the f.b.i. fix it? we might have that question at the end of the day. >> there was one moment, bill, that really struck me as powerful is he said that when he finally showed the evidence to one of the key f.b.i. agents of what had been withheld by headquarters, he said the agent became emotional and had to leave the room. he said that f.b.i. agents came up to him and apologized for playing their roles in this investigation saying they didn't know. and this is all just incredibly overwhelming evidence of this bias. but what was astonishing is the democrats have designated adam schiff as apparently the main antagonist for durham and it is bizarre to call durham being inaplop yacht in d

but john brennan is the same as jim comey. >> there was definitely a sense that john brennan was howyeah, that's right. >> became very close during his time with president obama and that's not a good thing. you want top cover from the white house for any director of the cia or intel community, you want an arm's length relationship. you never want a politicized agency or federal organization of any sort. maria: let's take a short break. we've got a lot more to say on this topic but time is running out for the five people on-board the missing titanic tourist submarine. the latest on the search coming up right after this. ♪ ♪ the biggest ideas inspire new ones. 30 years ago, state street created an etf that inspired the world to invest differently. it still does. what can you do with spy? ♪ ♪ this isn't just freight. these aren't just shipments. they're promises. promises of all shapes and sizes. each, with a time and a place they've been promised to be. a promise is everything to old dominion, because it means everything to you. (man) what if my type 2 diabetes takes over? (woman) what

i want to bring in now john brennan, former director of the cia to talk more about this. director brennan, thanks for joining us on this. we appreciate it. i want you to give us first a 30,000 foot view take on this whole thing. how astounding the last 24 hours have been, watching this advance. seeing that prigozhin was making on moscow. now this potential, quote unquote, deal he has struck with belarusian president lukashenko. >> well, yasmin, the events are fast unfolding. as matt mentioned, i think we still are going to be seeing a fair amount of development in the coming days and weeks, that will determine exactly the reverberations and the impact of this event. clearly, that has been a humiliating embarrassment for vladimir putin. it's demonstrated weakness. the fact that this deal was struck by lukashenko, the belarusian president, with prigozhin. it's clear, prigozhin was moving from his rhetorical glass and broadsides against the mainstream russian military to actually doing something on the ground, by moving his columns and convoys up towards moscow. in history,

john brennan, thank you so much for being part of our special coverage. really grateful. missy, please stick around a little bit longer with us. there's much more news ahead in the hour. on the revolt against vladimir putin's military. it seems to be de-escalating for now, an about face from the wagner group. as director biden just said, technically speaking, a hot mess for vladimir putin. don't go anywhere, that's next. ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ ( ♪♪ ) ( ♪♪ ) ( ♪♪ ) -awww. -awww. -awww. -nope. ( ♪♪ ) constant contact delivers the marketing tools your small business needs to keep up, excel, and grow. constant contact. helping the small stand tall. (vo) consumer reports evaluates vehicles for car shoppers in... reliability, safety, owner satisfaction, constant contact. and road-test evaluations... and the results are in. subaru is the twenty twenty-three best mainstream automotive brand, according to consumer reports. and subaru has seven consumer reports recommended models. solterra, forester, outback, crosstrek, ascent, impreza, and legacy. it's easy to love a brand you can tru

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think of all the times john brennan and james clapper hopped on the respective networks and talked about how corrupt and how he is an agent of vladimir putin and think about how many careers were blown up because of this. and think about how many people were working for president trump that ended up having all types of different problems with the law, none related to this from roger stone to paul manafort eastern connections. michael flynn he had nothing to hide. fbi, if you want to come over and ask me a question, you can. as i'm reading, this listening to him. that's the story. and this guy has gotten awards from eric holder and janet reno, hardly right wing zealots, pete. >> pete: yeah. this should be splashed across the top a 1 of every major newspaper in the country. of course, it won't be, because for every reason, brian, you just laid out, this is effectively a political espionage a word i don't like intentionally for political benefit. i agree with you, there is more he could have done. he could have run sharper and harder at certain people to get them on the record or subpoena,

. >> a cabbage looks like it has a long shelf life compared to -- i want to bring in john brennan, former the cia and now msnbc intelligence analyst. sir, thank you so much for joining us. i would like to know what it is like for someone who is the former director of the cia to see these photos of the sensitive documents stored in showers, in bathrooms, splayed out on the floor, what is your reaction to that? >> looking at those photos and the indictments i shuttered throughout. especially when i saw the classification markings. and a very clear careless and slipshod way that these documents were left unsecured for so long. it contains some of the most highly sensitive intelligence this country has for potential mass security. i will point out that the indictment listed at 31 documents but according to the indictments section see it says that in august of last year the subpoena there were over 100 documents that we see. so this is just a subset of documents that are listed actually in that indictment. but that is because the great sensitivity, you can see a very short synopsis of what it

. >> a cabbage looks like it has a long shelf life compared to -- i want to bring in john brennan, former director of the cia and now msnbc intelligence analyst. sir, thank you so much for joining us. i would like to know what it is like for someone who is the former director of the cia to see these photos of the sensitive documents stored in showers, in bathrooms, splayed out on the floor, what is your reaction to that? >> looking at those photos and the indictments i shuttered throughout. especially when i saw the classification markings. and a very clear careless and slipshod way that these documents were left unsecured for so long. it contains some of the most highly sensitive intelligence this country has for potential mass security. i will point out that the indictment listed at 31 documents but according to the indictments section see it says that in august of last year the subpoena there were over 100 documents that we see. so this is just a subset of documents that are listed actually in that indictment. but that is because the great sensitivity, you can see a very short synopsis

. >> now, ben, obama, cia chief john brennan, one of your favorites. he thinks republicans are sending a message thosemessag republicans who are standing h. h trump tonight, watce >> kind of totally outrageous. the republican members congress today are continuing to embrace trump and trash the department of justice. i find that just outrageous. they are sending a message throughout this country, around the world, tha of ice i fit reas into question our system of justice here in this countryint >> back then, those who are questioning the timing and the process by which this is done there, the threat to theho wereh democracy now! >> you see where this is going, do you not? john brennan lied to congress. he spied on congress. he lied about spying congress. he should have been held in contempt of congress and he should have gone to jail for doing exactly what he did.sh co is a joke of a case. you know that there is no love lost between me and the formers president. but when it comes to this case, it is an absoluthere is e joke. it is ridiculous. this is a

they tried to access that material which had already been all been cleaned out, cleaned up by who john brennan. so brandon had been active out working to help uh, burnish uh, rock. obama is image bama like like bush, they're both draughts and it actually in the, in some aspects. i think obama was more for the next is particularly when you look at what was done in the overthrow of governments in libya. you attempted over through the government of washer assorted syria. uh no, my god. the rise of the, of the, of the crew and the duly elected president may have been corrupt that he was still duly elected. all the obama was involved with the overthrow of more countries or attempted over throw more governments and george, doug. another of the myriad problems that many former ca officers have is with something called the publications review board. everybody who is ever worked for the c, i a even if you work there for 15 minutes must submit every thing that he or she writes to the publications review board for clarence, the probably politicized. if you write something that's pro c, i a, you get it cl

tried to access that material, which had already been all been cleaned out, cleaned up by who john brennan. so brandon had been active out working to help a burnish uh brock obama image. but you know, a bomb. i like like bush, they're both draughts and it actually in the internet. some aspects. i think obama was more for the next years, particularly when you look at what was done in the overthrow of governments in libya. you attempt it over through the government or bus your assault in syria. uh no, my daughter, the rise of the, of the, of the crew and, and ukraine which took out a duly elected president, may have been corrupt that he was still duly elected. oh, no. oh, bama was involved with the overthrow of more countries or attempted over throw board governments in george w bush. just can't believe that to another of the myriad problems that many former c i a officers have is with something called the publications review board. everybody who is ever worked for the c, i a even if you work there for 15 minutes, must submit every thing that he or she writes to the publications review board

we're back with john brennan, who was the cia saudi arabia station chief in the clinton years. still with us. director brennan, your reaction to today's news and its geopolitical implications. >> it certainly is a bombshell and a surprising one at that. it's unclear exactly now what the contours of this so-called merger and deal are. but there are a number of aspects of it i think are very worrying. first of all, all those players on the pga tour who followed the pga guidance from last year, you point out, and did not join that liv league. so i think we've just seen a very brief glimpse of the opening act of this play that i think is going to play out on many different levels, including in the pga rooms and golf rooms but also, i think there will be a lot of questions about the role that the public investment fund of the saudi sovereign wealth fund has, because at least the initial reporting indicates they're going to be a controlling interest of at least the for-profit part of this deal. and so there are big questions i think will be raised my members of congress and also with

they tried to access that material which had already done all the cleaned out. clean up i who john brennan, so brand new, they've been active out, working to help uh, burnish uh brock obama's image. but you know, a bomb a like, like bush, they're both draughts and it actually in the, in some aspects. i think obama was more for the next years, particularly when you looked at what was done in the overthrow of governments in libya. you attempted over throw at the government of washer assorted syria. i know that my don, the rice of the edge of the, the crew and, and ukraine, which took out a duly elected president, may have been corrupt that he was still duly elected. all the obama was involved with the overthrow of more countries or attempted over throw board governments in george w bush. just can't believe that to another of the myriad problems that many former ca officers have is with something called the publications review board. everybody who has ever worked for the c, i a even if you work there for 15 minutes, must submit every thing that he or she writes to the publications review boar

. >> obama cia chief john brennan one of your favorites, he thinks republicans are sending a message of those who were standing with trump tonight. watch great >> i find it totally outrageous that republican members of congress today are continuing to embrace trump and trash the department of justice i find that outrageous. they are sending a message throughout this country and around the world that calls into question the system of justice in this country. >> those who were questioning the timing and the process by which this is done, they are they threat to democracy. you see the where this is going. >> he lied to congress he lied about spying on congress he should have been held in contempt of congress it should have gone to jail and this is a joke of the case there is no love lost between me and the former president but when it comes to this case it's an absolute joke it's ridiculous. this is a situation where jack smith comes out there and he could not talk for three minutes about this case it's an absolute insult to anybody and when it comes to the historical precedent. we have

causing this fake uproar about russia, he knew it was hillary clinton's plan to do it and he knew john brennanut this and vice president biden was there but he went forward with it, never said i don't know if the dossier is true. don't know if the dossier is true? $1 million to verify everything in it and the source wasn't even inside russia that fed christopher steele this. we find this out years later, why was he not able to find out in real time? you don't want people to trust the fbi, don't look at peter struck's text messages when he talks about a plan to stop donald trump and the negative things to say about that with lisa page. andrew mccabe, this is fbi upper brass that have been disclosed and been disclosed and exposed and james comey, did he ever deserve to be fired. stuart: no doubt. while i have you here i want to talk about the gop presidential primaries, always promised to be interesting but getting really interesting, mike pence jumping in next week, maybe chris christie. the first the bait coming in in august on fox. fascinating stuff and than the democrats, not going to have a

because the officials who took part in this orchestrated coverup included former cia director john brennan. former obama dni james clapper, and former cia director, then defense secretary leon panetta, among others. they gave biden cover for this moment. the moment when he faced off with trump in the presidential debate. >> there are 50 former national intelligence folks who said that what this -- he's accusing me of is a russian plant. they have said that this has all the -- 4--5 former heads of the cia, both parties, say what he's saying is a bunch of gar beige. >> you mean the laptop is now another russia, russia, russia hoax? >> laura: of course, trump was right in how he characterized it. it was all a lie. but once again the press didn't do any mea culpas afterwards and clapper and brennan they still show up unbowed on television to rail against trump's attacks on democracy, when it is they who tried to sabotage trump before the election. and they wonder why nobody trusts the government anymore. remember, you're always a conspiracy theorist if you're asking questions that decent and s

appropriations to take down the deep state, punish doctor fauci, peter strong, james comey, and john brennanfunding the retirements, terminate all government funded covid vaccine programs, disband the 87,000 irs army, takedown biden's domestic terror units and the fbi doj -- punish everyone mentioned in the durham report for pushing the trump russia hoax, cut funding for all green new deal projects, defund sanctuary cities, cancel funding for the fbi's new headquarters in virginia, the fun at the -- atf programs that violate a second amount meant, hold fisa courts accountable for spying on more than 278,000 americans. none of those things will happen. even marjorie taylor greene knows that none of those things will happen. but on a day when she is caving and voting for an agreement negotiated by joe biden, the kind of thing she said she would never vote for, she has to camouflage that moment with all that republican craziness, the crazy stuff that will never happen. that's what at least one, that's what one of the least serious republicans in history, marjorie taylor greene, had to say. that

that is so credible that john brennan briefed president biden and director comey and then he puts it into a memo called a referral memorandum. that memo was given to comey and peter strzok. they failed to take it to the fisa court. they failed to show it to the lawyers putting together that fisa application and worse yet they don't give it to the agents working the crossfire hurricane case. when mr. durham does his case he is talking with one of those agents in the reported supervisory agent number one. he tells that agent here is the referral memo. did you see this? he didn't see it and he lets them read it. when the guy gets done reading it he gets emotional and gets up and leaves the room with his lawyer and comes back into sit down. he said i should have had this information. this could have changed everything. but jim comey and peter strzok kept it from him. a good agent trying to do his job. he was ticked off he didn't have it. this just underscores why we have to, this congress, fundamentally change the fisa process. it is up for reauthorization by december 31st. republicans i

doj, the fbi, the cia and the top military brass with his leftist partisan radicals, people like john brennanted he voted for the communist party. people like mccabe. people who could do the dirty work for the democrat party and that is what we are seeing right now. you have these institutions. the cia, the intelligence agencies, all treating half of the country as if they are terrorists. literally making documents saying we are terrorists. we are white supremacists. they have more contempt for us than t they have for terrorists. that's the country we are living. in i will tell you, this pete. we have lived under all kinds of policy and i'd logical differences. but we will not have a democracy, what he claims to care about and talk about in that interview, we do not have democracy because right now half of the country believes this government has been weaponized against them. it's not about trump. it's about all of us just as you said in your little statement here before i got on. >> pete: right in front -- he complains about fox news and talk radio while having basically, i don't know, what?

. >> in 2018, trump revoked the security clearance of john brennan, the former director of the cia.former president citing his responsibility to protect the nation's classified information. >> the issue of mr. brennan's security clearance raises larger questions about the practice of former officials maintaining access to our nation's most sensitive secrets long after their time in government has ended. >> the strangest part about this all, this is all a self-inflicted wound. all he had to do was return the documents. >> mr. president! >> remember on june 3rd, 2022, a grand jury subpoena demanded trump hand over all classified documents in his possession. but instead, trump's attorney provided the fbi with only 38. >> surveillance footage at mar-a-lago has become such a key piece of evidence. >> a month later on july 6th, in response to another subpoena by the fbi, representatives of the trump organization handed over a hard drive containing surveillance footage. >> there is a storage room at mar-a-lago that trump is essentially telling his attorney, evan corcoran, all white house r

director john brennan realized the significance of the intelligence that hillary clinton was trying tom up during the campaign of 2016. to tie donald trump to russia. he expeditiously briefed barack obama, briefed joe biden and then nothing happened after that. what do you think about that? >> it shows they are all in on it. we start with the special counsel mueller report. that report indicated that the russia/trump collusion story was false. the durham report goes farther. he looks into the actual wrongdoing that was occurring in the f.b.i. at the time. he traces it back and identifies the steele dossier, russia collusion document itself, came from the clinton campaign and there was, as you were describing the clinton plan communicated to try to propagate this and tie the president to it. durham says the whole investigation that happened at the f.b.i., including the mueller investigation itself, should not have happened. there was no evidence to go over the bar enough to cause an investigation to occur. he considers it wrongdoing on the part of the f.b.i. the problem is there is no o

john brennan will be our guest. plus, we have been here. long history of the ex-white house occupant sharing intelligence which goes back very far. we will talk with someone who laid that out in the past. >>> and later, the real concern for violence after a weekend of incredibly alarming rhetoric from the ex-president and his most extreme allies. those stories and more when "deadline white house" continues after a quick broke. don't go anywhere. after a quick. don't go anywhere. if you have heart disease and are on a statin, lowering cholesterol can be hard. and diets and exercise add to the struggle. it can feel never-ending. but today, it's possible to go from struggle to cholesterol success with leqvio. taken with a statin, leqvio is proven to lower bad cholesterol by over 50%. so, if you feel like you're getting nowhere... ...go with 2 doses a year of leqvio and keep bad cholesterol low. common side effects were injection site reaction, joint pain, urinary tract infection, diarrhea, chest cold, pain in legs or arms, and shortness of bre

people who even those who don't trust john brennan, for example.be chris christie, maybe asa hutchinson. you know, more and more need to be able to speak out because mr. trump is a national security threat. there's no question about it. >> wow. so, here we are, rick stengel. trump is a threat. he's a threat, that the department of justice actually tried to deal with it not in a public way. counterintelligence investigation is opened into him by then acting director, or deputy director andy mccabe. in 2017. it shut down. the questions were never answered and it becomes a political cudgel that is wielded to given who tries to ferry off the troops that he's a national threat. how confident are you, rick stengel, that the issues will be front and center, as the months move forward as trump tries -- i mean, i think the idea that he's on excuse or defense 11 proves one thing that there is no defense to what he's done. he's caught dead to right as bill barr and chris christie keep saying. but what do you think we can sustain as a country in terms of focus

. >> a cabbage looks like it has a long shelf life compared to -- i want to bring in john brennan, former now msnbc intelligence analyst. sir, thank you so much for joining us. i would like to know what it is like for someone who is the former director of the cia to see these photos of the sensitive documents stored in showers, in bathrooms, splayed out on the floor, what is your reaction to that? >> looking at those photos and the indictments i shuttered throughout. especially when i saw the classification markings. and a very clear careless and slipshod way that these documents were left unsecured for so long. it contains some of the most highly sensitive intelligence this country has for potential mass security. i will point out that the indictment listed at 31 documents but according to the indictments section see it says that in august of last year the subpoena there were over 100 documents that we see. so this is just a subset of documents that are listed actually in that indictment. but that is because the great sensitivity, you can see a very short synopsis of what it contains bec

punish doctor fauci, peter strike, james comey and john brennan by defunding the retirements.minate all government funded covid vaccine programs. disband the 87,000 irs army. take down biden's domestic chair units in the fbi, doj and all the security -- punish everyone mentioned in the durham report for pushing the trump -- hoax, cut funding from all -- defense actually cities, cancel funding for the fbi's new headquarters in virginia, defund fda -- hold faces courts accountable for spying on over 270,000 americans. none of those things will happen. even marjorie taylor greene knows that none of those things will happen. but on a day when she is caving and voting for an agreement negotiating by joe biden, you the kind of thing she said she would never vote for, shasta camouflage that moment with all that republican craziness. the crazy stuff that will never happen. that is what at least one of the least serious republicans in history, marjorie taylor greene, had to say. that is what she felt she must say, in order to cast a vote today with the republican leadership, a traditio

you can be sure, as john brennan has talked about tonight that mar-a-lago is a focus of our country to have this kind of information lying around and the obstruction that is charged here, it is hard to imagine a more serious case involving the retention, the willful retention of classified information and national security information, and then on top of the, to obstruct justice, by a former president at the united states, who should know exactly how important this is to the national security. to me, it's these pages that answer why are we here? why is this something that is so important for the justice department and should be important to the country? >> neal katyal, you've got to the last page, page 49 of the indictment today, and you put it down and thought what? >> i thought, this is far more compelling records than even i have thought. ever since they won when donald trump's mar-a-lago complex was rated, i set an air show, this will culminate in an indictment. but to see this level of detail and -- is chilling. i just listened to my friend andrew weissmann, and andrew and i had d

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russia to sort of cover up for her email issue and the scandal happening along that campaign, that john brennan, head of the f.b.i. at the time, went directly to barack obama and joe biden, c.i.a., i'm sorry, and informed them of what was happening there. he noted the lack of curiosity. john durham will be in the headlines for the next day and a half. the f.b.i. just now preempted his appearance came out with a statement. the conduct in 2016 and 2017 that special counsel durham examined why leadership has taken corrective action. had they been in place in 2016 the missteps identified in the report could have been prevented. one more line. this report reinforces the importance of -- the f.b.i. now is getting ahead of what will be a very public story that john durham is about to tell the american people and congress. >> which is really important because think about this, bill and dana, we have not seen much coverage at all of the original durham report. we covered it all throughout and covered it when it came out in full. but really didn't get oxygen anyplace else. and now with durham testifying

think john durham will also focus on is the fact that when i declassified the intelligence from john brennan's notes where he briefed president obama and vice president biden and national security team about the fact the russia collusion came from the hillary clinton campaign, the fact that the f.b.i., jim comey, peter struts, they concealed it and obstructed it from the public view. so i think those are things you'll hear focused on in greater detail by republicans today. >> bill: well done. thank you for your time. jim jordan, chairman of this committee began his opening remarks as we stand for the pledge of allegiance and we will have an opportunity to hear from a man who frank life a lot of americans could not even identify him or his voice. >> dana: a moment ago you got a video and photograph of him smiling, which i don't think we've seen, here we go underway with jordan gaveling this hearing. >> opening statement. three years ago and 11 months, july 24, 2019, bob mueller sat in this room in that chair and told this committee no collusion, no conspiracy, no coordination between president

you can be sure, as john brennan has talked about tonight that mar-a-lago is a focus of our country to have this kind of information lying around and the obstruction that is charged here, it is hard to imagine a more serious case involving the retention, the willful retention of classified information and national security information, and then on top of the, to obstruct justice, by a former president at the united states, who should know exactly how important this is to the national security. to me, it's these pages that answer why are we here? why is this something that is so important for the justice department and should be important to the country? >> neal katyal, you've got to the last page, page 49 of the indictment today, and you put it down and thought what? >> i thought, this is far more compelling records than even i have thought. ever since they won when donald trump's mar-a-lago complex was rated, i set an air show, this will culminate in an indictment. but to see this level of detail and -- is chilling. i just listened to my friend andrew weissmann, and andrew and i had d

let's bring in former deputy national security advisor ben rhodes and former cia director john brennandirector brennan, important to note here, you can violate the espionage act regardless of whether the information is classified, as long as it is national defense information according to the statute. can you clarify the importance of that? ? >> the government has taken great precautions as far as making sure our national security secrets, all material related to it needs to be kept under a special arrangement. in terms of a scif. there's sensitive information that could be collected. the espionage act is the mechanism that can hold someone accountable for unlawfully and intentionally retaining those documents. the concern is, if they are left in an unsecured manner or facility, they can be accessed by individuals who have not only no right to them but also could do damage with them. i think one of the things we are curious about is whether or not jack smith has uncovered evidence that donald trump actually shared that information with others. again, irrespective whether it was shared,

she approved it to tak.escan the pressure off of her email scandal that is so credibldae that john brennan briefs president obama, vice president biden, attorney general lynch, and director comey. and then he puts it into a memo called a referral memorandum. that memo was given to comey and peter strzok. they failed to take it to the fisa court. they failefisa cou d. show it to the lawyers, putting together that fisa application . and worse yet, they don't give it to the agents working the crossfire hurricanthe case. and then when mr. durham does ageninvestigation, he's talking one of those agents in the reported supervisory agent number . he tells that agent, here's the referral memo. did you this? the he didn't see it. gne he lets him read it when and guy gets done reading it, he gets emotional, he gets up,m leaves the room with his lawyer, comewiths in, sits downd i mean, he says, i should have had this information, this h ld have could have changed everything. but jim comey and peter strzok. kept it from him and a good agent trying to do his job. i mean, he was tickeasd off thaj he did

director john brennan, former obama dni james clapper amonformer ciarmer cia directorn defense secretary leon panetta, among others. >>rs.they gav they gave biden cr this moment, the moment when hel faced off with trump in the presidential debate or 50 former national intelligence hofolks who said that what this he's accusing me of is a russian plan. they have said that this is hasr all the cat for five former heads of the cia. both parties say whatn th he's saying is a bunch ofptop garbage. >> you mean the laptop is now, u hoaxher russia, russia, russia hope?s, of course, trump was right how he characterized it. it was all a lie. aga but once again, the press didn't do any maricopa's afterward. and clapper and brennan, they still shoanw up unbowedraia on television to rail against trump's attackgas on democracy when it is they who tried to sabotage before the election. and they wonder why nobodyd mem trust the government anymore. remember, you're always a conspiracy theorist. conspi're asking questions that heorist ifdecent and smart and d reporters used to ask. and in perhaps the most

they've had james comey feign amnesia, james clapper lie under oath, john brennan lie under oath, christopher wray almost risk going to jail to they had robert mueller feigning he didn't know anything. i guess they are just exasperated. these people, the irs, doj, what are they not capable of? they are scared. you cannot have a constitutional system of people who are scared of the government. that is what i am worried about. i think all of us if you testify for congress as one journalist did the irs has a note. this is not america. these people have weaponize and they are destroying piece by piece, bit by bit, something they didn't own. this came from our founders, 232 years ago. it wasn't theirs to destroy. they have hijacked this and are trying to destroy this country. i think the citizens are terrified. i never thought i would live to see that. >> it's interesting as you were talking i thought about something else that had happened. that was the assassination attempt on a u.s. justice. and the u.s. supreme court. with brett kavanaugh we saw doj that was just uninterested. i guess that is t

. >> yeah, john brennan said something interesting to me earlier this week, too.robably because of the attention on the liv golf tournament, but putin and the russians would also love to have access to information about any contingency plans on attacking iran, because russia and iran have also developed a closer relationship. so there's all sorts of possibilities here. again, we don't know now. we may never know, but they are interesting to explore and follow, especially given the level of detail in this indictment. i mean, there's five pages that are just listing point by point the documents, and they make a clear point that this is a part of the facts. that's on a legal point, just something that stuck out to me as i was reading it. >> really interesting, and hearing from both of you here, as we said, partly the law, the national security law, but also people who have been in these rooms and been very mindful about the rules, the laws, as well as the security interest of the united states. so david kelley and jen psaki, thanks to both of you. remind everyone, je

they've had john brennan, the cia line lie under lie. they've had christopher wray almost risk going to jaioal to stonewall an investigation. they had robert mueller failing . he didn't know anything about the steele dossier or so i guess they're just exasperated. they think, what will these people and the irs, the doj, the cia, what are they not capable of? and they're scared, wh. i don't think you can have a constitutional system when the people hav are scared of the government. and that's that's what i'm really worried aboutthat isu because i think all of us, if did testify for congress as one journalist, did you close home in the irs as a note on the story is no? and this is not american, this is not america. and these people have weaponized and they're destroying piece by piece bid th right. did something that they didn't own. this came from our 232 years ago, and it wasn't there to destroy. and they hijacke td thisroy this and they've they're trying to destroy this country and i think the citizens are. terrified and i never thought

across the room, andrew weissmann, but it sounds like, for my conversation we had last week with john brennanven more classified that aren't even mentioned in that. and that the government may actually be prepared to divulge what those documents were because they are named in the indictment. so to your point, rachel we may have much more damning and specific information as this case goes on. >> i think the most interesting person then becomes chris christie. whatever his fealty to trump was before and he was a sack up to trump for quite some time, he was the most plainspoken republican in the race. even if he pulls a 2%, it doesn't matter as long as, to the point that staff made, those donors, those wall street wealthy donors backing his campaign because they want him too, as stephanie ruhle says, -- to his -- >> trump -- >> -- >> keep the message -- >> and he damaged rubio. a lot of people who don't like rubio thinks his greatest service in the primary was to take out marco rubio. >> that's right. >> we've got more of our special coverage of donald trump's arraignment ahead. stay with us. i

john brennan is on our air waves as a national security contributor. as this sinks in some of the folks who have been reluctant to say what they saw, people like generalmattis, people who still try to thread some needle that trump wasn't the horror with u.s. national security that we can all now hear with our ears that he was. do you think it represents a moment? >> it should be and maybe it will be. i think what's been happening is that a lot of those folks have been saying these things in private, keeping their concerns to themselves but have been waiting for someone else to do this. but yes, because this is not ambiguous, there is nothing ambiguous. in terms of the facts and the law this is game over. the question is will there be accountability. think about all the generals that at one point donald trump surrounded himself with, you know, because he had a thing for generals. each and every one of them i think has an obligation to come out and say right now, look, this man poses a real imminent threat to national security. this is a clear and presen