mike pence has betrayed this president, and he has betrayed the people of the united states, and we will never, ever forget! >> it's real simple. pence betrayed us, which apparently everybody knew he was going to and the president mentioned it like five times when he talked. you can go back and watch the president's video. >> this is our capitol. let's be respectful to it.

mike pence: gracias a ti y a univisiÓn.ede dar una respuesta concisa? mike pence: la crisis en la frontera del sur de los estados unidos rompecorazones. bajo nuestra administraciÓn, nosotros aseguramos la frontera del sur, construimos el muro, yo negociÉ con mÉxico, en tan solo tres aÑos. joe biden deshizo todo lo que hicimos. detuvo la construcciÓn del muro, quitÓ el "permanecer en mÉxico". nosotros descendemos de inmigrantes. mi abuelo vino este paÍs como inmigrante. tenemos que arreglar este sistema resquebrajado de inmigraciÓn. una naciÓn sin fronteras no es una naciÓn. vamos a asegurar la frontera. las personas que me conocen, hablamos de tratar este asunto de daca por legislaciÓn y acciÓn ejecutiva. se debe tomar en cuenta a los niÑos que frota hay ——fueron traÍdos acÁ sin culpa de ellos. luis carlos: ¿lo que usted dice es que van a tratar este tema de forma completa mediante una ley? mike pence: yo no creo que se pueda hacer con acciÓn ejecutiva. los tribunales han dicho que eso no se puede hacer, que vaca no ——daca

mike pence has none.a spent force, and a guy who's gonna come in fifth or sixth of iowa. that'll be. that scene of the ball game. >> brett, you're giving him some credit. you are on the show on february, you've been on since then, but in february asked what mike pence, he said he's gonna come in 18th place in the race to 15. >> yeah, they're narrowing the field, katie. whatever is the last is gonna be -- >> [inaudible]. hi ricky bobby from last -- rick wilson, that's right. shake and bake. rick wilson, thanks for being here, as always. >> a pleasure, katie. susan. >> still to come, the authoritarian party, the stunning acquittal of embattled texas attorney general, ken paxton, on all 16 articles of impacts them. planned revenge tour against everyone who supported the case against him. you're watching the katie phang show, only on msnbc. , only on msc.nb for business for 5g solutions... ...because t-mobile helps pano ai innovate, so they can stop the spread of wildfires. now's the time to see what america'

mike pence: gracias a ti y a univisiÓn. construimos el muro, yo negociÉ con mÉxico, en tan solo tres aÑos. joe biden deshizo todo lo que hicimos. detuvo la construcciÓn del muro, quitÓ el "permanecer en mÉxico". nosotros descendemos de inmigrantes. mi abuelo vino este paÍs como inmigrante. tenemos que arreglar este sistema resquebrajado de inmigraciÓn. una naciÓn sin fronteras no es una naciÓn. vamos a asegurar la frontera. las personas que me conocen, hablamos de tratar este asunto de daca por legislaciÓn y acciÓn ejecutiva. se debe tomar en cuenta a los niÑos que frota hay ——fueron traÍdos acÁ sin culpa de ellos. luis carlos: ¿lo que usted dice es que van a tratar este tema de forma completa mediante una ley? mike pence: yo no creo que se pueda hacer con acciÓn ejecutiva. los tribunales han dicho que eso no se puede hacer, que vaca no ——daca no puede ser, una y otra vez. eso tiene que ir al congreso de los estados unidos. yo sÉ cÓmo desplazar las cosas por el congreso, cÓmo trabajamos para dar somos en 2018. nosotros reso

joining us is mark short, former chief of staff to vice president mike pence.know very well, mike pence was in the trump administration. you were in the trump administration. you were both there in lots of people in seeing and hearing what pence is saying in that speech. they see no difference between, though, how trump ran in 2016, how trump acted in office, and how trump is running now in 2024. why do you think pence can successfully separate himself out then? >> well, let's start, two things. one, i think there is a tremendous difference. in 2016, donald trump came to conservatives and said if you nominate me, i'll govern as a conservative. he came to conservatives and said give me a list of 21 judges to put forward, he said give me your pro-life platform. those were implemented in the four years of his presidency that are hallmarks of conservatism. i think he governed as a conservative. as he runs in 2024, he has not said intelligent me what you would like to see, instead he said these are my grievances. i expect you to fight for me, which is a very differe

mike pence has not gotten any more popular. 2022. i think that speech was also notable for being a pretty serious swipe at the other person he has a beef with, and that's vivek ramaswamy who he at the debate as you very well know. >> bret: i remember it well. >> i'm sure you do is very much against seeing him get any traction. so, if he can't take out a donald trump, maybe at least can make a dent in ramaswamy's now asen dense in the polling. >> bret: what does he call him. imitators. >> he had a few digs he ignored. you put the numbers on the screen. this is trump and everyone else. if you are going to try to make a move, you have to train some fire at trump and see if it works. so far it hasn't for basically anyone, and if that's going to change any time soon it's going to be a dynamic that will be brand new to us. this race is just frozen in ice right now to trump's advantage. >> to charlie's point ukraine is not a winner as as far as a political issue, is it. >> i don't think it's necessarily a game changer, let's put it th

mike pence is railing against his former running mate. new hampshire yesterday the former vp highlighted the differences in ideologies within the republican party. pence called it a divide between reaganite conservatives including himself and popialists including the one he served, donald trump. >> a populist movement is rising in the republican party. the growing faction would substitute our faith in limited government and traditional values with an agenda stitched together by personal grievances and performative outrage. a leading candidate for the republican nomination last year called for the, quote, termination of all rules, regulations and articles even those found in the constitution, closed quote. while these imitators in this primary have demonstrated a willingness to brandish government power to impose their will on opponents. >> as you might imagine trump responded to pence's speech on truth social calling his former vice president's criticism false and writing this -- i never said for him to put me before the constitution. mike

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today mike pence is running for president of the united states in 2024. during his time as vice president, mr. pence played a pivotal role in strengthening ties with u.s. allies, undertaking visits to asia, europe, latin america, all to enhance critical partnerships with u.s. allies. vice president pence was instrumental in shaping the truman administration's policies concerning venezuela and has been an outspoken critic of the chinese communist party, delivering what i think is one of the finest addresses of the trump administration, a major policy address actually here at hudson institute october 4, 2018 on the chinese communist relationship with the united states. we are very proud to host him today, and he is the first presidential candidate giving a presidential speech here. we invited on a bipartisan basis presidential candidates to present their national security views at hudson and we could not be happier that vice president pence is the inaugural speaker in that series. without further adieu, please help me welcome mike pence. [[applause] mr. penc

mike pence is a good friend.ike pence is like, "um, he's not my friend, barely know that guy." [ laughter ] then we have the new face of the gop, george santos, who's now admitted to the federal election commission that a $500,000 personal loan he claimed to have made to his campaign didn't actually come from him. of course that money didn't come -- two years the guy reported his income was $55,000 a year. the only way somebody like george santos comes into $500,000 is if he intentionally slips on varnish he spilled so he can sue home depot. [ laughter ] now the big question is why did he amend his paperwork and who gave him all that money? >> why did you amend your reports to say -- >> let's make it very clear, i don't amend anything. i don't touch any of my -- don't be disingenuous, you know that every campaign hires fiduciaries. i'm not aware of that answer and we'll have an answer regarding the amendments. >> what was the source of your funds, sir? what was the source of that money? sir? why can't you divulge

and here is what got mike pence. take a look at mike pence on the campaign trail today.s is an iowa, take a look. >> mike pence. [inaudible] get out of iowa! >> put him down as a maybe. >> mike pence who is sort of despised across the political spectrum and has the lowest favorability, that's a pretty good line here. but pence and romney are really fascinating in contrast, because they do have some route in something we used to see as religiously imbued conservatism? >> yes, i think the contrast isn't doing, is right? i think they could put it better than i could as all the reasons why, mike pence doesn't deserve the credit that -- just because of the level. the other interesting thing i think, in mitt's comments in the atlanta, in that video, he still is saying that he and mitt romney believe in these more traditional conservative values. all classically liberal values. but he's also saying things like a big part of the republican party is actively hostile to them and anti constitutional. mike pence is saying we could still fight for this. i think that's another reality

he established the mike pence shall, as indicated video show in public affairs program in indiana. in 2000, he six -- successfully entered the united states has a represented. mice -- vice president pence was elected six times. his colleagues recognized his leadership qualities and elected him to chairman of the house republican chairman for -- committee. 2013 he was elected the 50th governor of indiana. he then became the vice president in 2016, serving alongside president trump. today, mike pence is running for president of the united states in 2024. mr. pentz played a pivotal role in undertaking visits to asia, europe, all to enhance critical partnerships with u.s. allies. vice president hence was instrumental in shaping the treatment administration policies in venezuela and he has been an outspoken critic of the chinese democratic party. the chinese communist relationship with the united states. we are very proud and he is the first presidential candidate giving a presidential speech here. we invite the present educators do presenter security views here. we could not be happier

-- mike pence is right.matter. mike pence is losing and losing badly and the argument he's making again, will be very validated by history let us all hope, but right now that is a losing argument in the republican party. >> you know, mika, since 1992, the republican party has won the popular vote in one presidential election. since 1992, the republican party has lost the popular vote in 7 of the 8 presidential elections. since then, their dramatic demographic changes that are happening. we have known for over a generation that there would come a time when this would cease to be a majority, white country, and there is no doubt that much of this is a republican party that is saying, we're just going to lose elections from now on. so let's just say the hell with elections. let's just say the hell with democracy because we're going to keep losing. again, they've lost a popular vote 7 out of 8 times since 1992. so i guess they're just thinking instead of us changing, instead of us figuring out how to update an 18

leÓn: hace unas horas hablÉ con mike pence.sta del candidato ramaswamy sobre deportar a casi 11 millones de indocumentados. [habla en inglÉs] [habla en inglÉs] [habla en inglÉs] [habla en inglÉs] [habla en inglÉs] [habla en inglÉs] [habla en inglÉs] [habla en inglÉs] [habla en inglÉs] [habla en inglÉs] [habla en inglÉs] paulina: hoy quedÓ definido el lugar que ocuparÁn en el estrado los siete participantes del debate republicano que podrÁn ver maÑana en espaÑol exclusiva por univisiÓn. el gobernador ron desantis estarÁ justo en el centro. a la izquierda estarÁ el candidato ramaswamy, a su izquierda nikki haley, luego el senador tiene scott y chris christie, al extremo del escenario estarÁn el exvicepresidente mike pence y el gobernador de dakota del norte. el ex presidente trump se reunirÁ en michigan con trabajadores del sector automotriz en huelga. leÓn: maÑana vamos a escuchar preguntas polÉmicas, como utilizar las fuerzas armadas de los estados unidos para atacar a las organizaciones criminales mexicanas en territorio mexic

the established the mike pence show, a weekly program in indiana. in 2000 he successfully entered the united states house of representatives. throughout his tenure in congress, vice-president pence was reelected six times. his colleagues recognized his leadership qualities, unanimously elected him to the chairman of the house republican study committee and the republican house conference. 2013 he was elected the governor of indiana, later became of course the vice-president of the united states serving alongside president trump. today, mike pence is running for president of the united states in 2024. during his time as vice-president mr. pence played a pivotal role strengthening ties with u.s. allies, undertaking visit to europe, latin america, partnerships with u.s. allies. vice-president pence was insal and an outspoken critic of the commune china party. giving i think one of the best addresses, and the chinese communist relationship with the united states. we are very proud to host him today and he is the first presidential candidate giving a pres

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mike pence made what sounded an awful lot like a sex joke. >> you mentioned the president's situation. my wife isn't a member of the teachers' union, but i've got to admit, i've been sleeping with a teacher for 38 years. full disclosure. >> jeff zeleny and phil mattingly are still here. phil is so excited to talk about this. by the way, i'm not judging you, but you did interview mike pence this morning and didn't ask about it. it's up to us to talk about it. i don't blame you. if i were you, i wouldn't have, either. i'll start with jeff. you and i were actually there last night. he talk about sleeping with his wife for 30-plus years after chris christie, i think it was, talked about joe biden sleeping with a member of the teachers' union, referring to the fact that jill biden is an educator. having said all that, we've all covered mike pence for years, when he first started in the house, and we know, this is like the last thing i ever thought we would hear from mike pence. >> without a doubt. i think perhaps why is, he retreated a bit off the stage at the first debate, he was really f

even mike pence, i was disappointed when i saw mike pence raise his hand. >> so that's a republican who cares about democracy, and she's looking for a pro democracy republican. now i'm going to play joe manchin of west virginia who talked to casey hunt on her cnn show, i believe, and he has not committed to voting for biden. let's run that sound. >> if the election were being held today, would you vote for joe biden for re-election? >> well, i never thought about that, because i've not got on the that point. there's a lot to be sorted out -- >> so you're not saying yes, that you would vote for him. >> i'm not saying yes or no on this. i'm looking at the state of my country, wri bhere i believe wed to be. >> yikes. >> i think he's a patriotic guy. but he's looking at the fact -- >> he might run. >> and he comes from a state where he's the last elected democrat. he will be the last elected democrat. the state was the most pro trump state of any state in the union, and going out -- >> i think wyoming. >> fair enough. but going out and saying you're all in for biden doesn't help him for run

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tell mike pence that june 2022 wants its talking point back. he talked about inflation at 40-year high, it is down two-thirds. it was 9.1, that is a stale talking point and it is down to 3% and certainly not ahead of wages, wages are beating inflation. jason asked what was trend before pandemic and extrapolating that trend forward. he is not the only one to do that. it ignores the pandemic and leads to global inflation, ignores deep pandemic reduced recession and the war in ukraine and the impact on food prices. i got to live in real world and real wages are beating prices, that is a vehicle trend. >> shannon: good jobs report for august. truth is every month this year, the job be ins have been revised downward every month this year. that means jobs that we were told were not created, 30% did not happen. is reality more in line with data than what you are trying to portray? >> two answers, people perceptions are not what i say they are. second of all, i don't think there is good way to massage the statistics and get you to another conclusion th

joining us is vice president mike pence. mr.ice president, you are the most unique position ever, you want people to choose you over president trump while defending the trump/pence policy on immigration and the border and draining the swamp. you feel you made progress on that, but if you praise it, they will say why don't we go with the guy that led us along the way, how do you separate from the former president? >> standing at the reagan library, it was all together fitting to talk about the choice republicans are facing. it is another time for choosing in the republican party ronald reagan told the american people we would build an agenda on american leadership, fiscal responsibility, the right to life and for the last 50 years our party has been billed on that movement. when donald trump came down the elevator he promised to govern conservative. what i tried to make clear last night in the midst of that hustle and bustle debate and i've made clear traveling around the country, the choice republicans face is whether to continu

we heard the chants, hang mike pence, hang mike pence.nd what did meadows say about hang mike pence. what did you over hear? >> this is what the former white house counsel came into our office and pat had said that -- pat had said that they needed to go down to the oval dining room where the president was. the rioters had gotten into the capitol. and mark had relayed it to pat cipollone to the effect of you heard him, pat, he doesn't want to do anything. >> he doesn't want to do anything. >> he doesn't want to do anything. >> despite what cassidy hutchinson witnessed on january 6, she continued to show up to work. the very next day. our conversation will pick up there right after this quick break. >>> and we're back with our policy lead. cassidy hutchinson telling me why she found it so difficult to break away from trump world and what she feared would happen if she had not. >> so, on the morning of january 7th, you still went to work? >> i did. >> and this is one of the things that i think that some of your critics on left, or never trum

mike pence warns that republicans are headed for extinction, but is anyone in what is still trump's gop listening. chris christie will be here to talk about that and more in moments. i'm dana bash. let's go behind the headlines and "inside politics." >>> up first, our new poll has important new take aways about 2024. there is deep-rooted dissatisfaction with the direction the incumbent is taking the country. there's doubts if he's up to the job again. chdavid chalian is standing by r us. these numbers are just not good, if you are a sitting president of the united states. show us what they tell us. >> there's no doubt about this. this is setting off alarm bells inside the biden campaign and the white house. his approval rating is down now at 39% approve. so 6 in 10 americans disapprove of the job he's doing. and you see he's been hovering here for a little bit since the spring. you mentioned that democrats would like somebody other than biden as the nominee of their party. that is dramatically so. two-thirds of democratic and democratic-leaning voters say they would like a different can

i'm mike pence, i'm running for president for the united states of america. [applause] thank you all for coming out this afternoon. the link above that are placed to reflect the future of the republican party.tu here in the first in the nation in new hampshire. appreciate you all making time particularly students help are not skipping class. as a republican candidate for president of the united states because i believe this country, joe biden has weakened america at home and abroad and i believe all of us with the ability and experience to bring about change have a responsibility to try. we also have the obligation to speak plainly about the challenges our nation is facing. we need new leadership in the white house and i believe we need new leadership in the republican party. now more than ever, i believe we must forge that new leadership in the republican party rounded on conservative principles that defined our movement. the truth is, come to a republican time for choosing. i'll never apologize for believing that having faith our nation and in our people do

from her vice president, mike pence, is here to respond to that in moments. i am katelyn collins, and this is the source. >>> the u.s. is on the brink of a government shutdown tonight with really no plan and site. with all the infighting, all of the f bombs, all the votes that have been happening and also not happening on capitol hill, right now there is still no deal to keep the government open after tomorrow at midnight. how speaker, kevin mccarthy's own conference saying his last- ditch plan earlier today, and tonight he emerged with this message for the senate. >> i think we have a clean one without ukraine we could probably be able to move that through. i think if the senate puts ukraine on there and focus is ukraine over america i think that could cause real problems. >> of course, the keyword there is probably. so far the far right of mccarthy's party has not relented. they have been blocking him at every turn. and the process of a shutdown and what it means for regular americans, some of whom, unlike members of congress, made this their paycheck last

one thing you know about mike pence, he always plays it straight.nd i remember watching that on the television screen. i went and found karen and i said, you know, i think he might be coming around. i, i did. i mean, i'd like to tell you. but, you know, i mean, there were more than a few occasions where the president said, we need to do all of this. and then we started having some private conversations and. it ended up closer to here. right. and that was a style of his. and i thought we might be on that path, but sadly, it was not to be. and when the when the violence and the rioting and the people assaulting police officers, it was it was a tragic day. but i will tell you, the heroes of that day were men and women of the capitol police who secured the capitol in just a few hours and made it possible for us to reconvene the very same day. they were the heroes and the stories. did you so you to the president that morning you had the final conversation for him make his argument about what you should do contrary to your constitutional duty would have b

how is mike pence viewed in the circles in which you have all your conversations in london?s somebody who would be able to stand on the world stage considering his past with donald trump? >> well, you interest he to people and they don't want to get involved with anything to do with the u.s. election until they know who will win it because they are such a crucial partner to britain and europe. they just want to work with whoever is in power. so they won't say anything now certainly not on the record about his policies. but there are conservative views here as to how to handle the other powers in the world. certain pence is seen as a strong conservative. i don't think many here think that he will actually win though. >> well, you can count me as seeing a very narrow path, but we'll see. we have a debate coming up, and those can generate some unpredictable moments. max, thanks very much for being with us. >>> dud onald trump just made h decision about another republican debate and what happened when a black bear made a surprise visit to ththe housef mouse. ♪ say what you say,

after advisers had left the defendant alone in his dining room, quote, mike pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our constitution giving states a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones they were asked to previous certify. usa demands the truth. one minute later at 2:25 p.m., the u.s. secret service was forced to evacuate the vice president to a secure location.

>> mike pence said something about 15 weeks, too, which was a big change for mike pence because mike as no exceptions, and i have exceptions, by the way. i think people should have exceptions and if it's rape, incest or the life of the mother, i think that you should have rights. >> does the fetus have constitutional rights? >> i will tell you they think most people, most republicans are willing. you go, life of the mother, rape, incest, i think most of them are there. >> should a fetus have constitutional rights, mr. president? >> i don't know what he's saying because before he wanted, you know, you couldn't have an abortion. >> what are you saying? what do you think? >> excuse me. now he's saying 15 weeks. wow, where did that come from? that's a radical change. look, something is going to happen that will be good for everybody. i'm almost like a mediator in this case. they wanted roe v. wade terminated because it was inappropriate. we got it done. something's going to happen and it's going to be a number of weeks and something's going to happen where both sides will be able to come

but there is zero appetite for mike pence for public and voters.ny think it is been there is no clear in the focus groups that are public and voters either think that is in this our spot with the voters were people think he is too close to trump or they think he betrayed trump over january 6. the likelihood of him catching fire is about zero. even the people who kind of like him think he is boring and are not interested voting for him. part of that is for people like mike pence, he built the permission structure for donald trump. he told people it was fine. you do not have to care about his -- the fact the sexual assault accusations. voters had decided those things do not matter which means they're not interested in a guy like mike pence who really takes who he is on his moral aptitude. guest: i think you should be -- he should take jack camp for his vp since he is running on the party that is dead. guest: i would be the only want to do this because they made fun of me for it about god bless mike pence because this nation owes him a debt of gratitu

i'm mike pence. [inaudible] [laughter] >> sure. >> you want to take a picture? >> thank you. >> thank you. mr. pence: thank you, thank you. we got quite a crowd here. [inaudible] >> we wanted to say thank you for talking about salvation. [inaudible] can we get a picture with you? this is my wife, jessica. we have been praying for you. >> thank you. thank you, sir. thank you. [laughter] >> thank you. >> it means everything to us. >> can my husband get a picture with you? >> no chance. no way. [laughter] >> we thought you were an impersonator. [inaudible] >> i can't believe you are here. i can't believe it. >> what do you ride? >> a harley. >> of course. >> i write a vespa. >> what kind of harley? >> the road king. >> i like the road king, but there's another one, the roadster? >> i like it, but not as open as i would like. no offense to you. i hope you gain some traction here and get going in the campaign. i hope you would make a good candidate. >> thank you so much. i will work my heart out turn your support. >> do you do autographs, by chance? >> of course. >> i

mike pence was talking about crime.id he wanted to pass a federal expedited death penalty for mass shooters and he talked -- he said ron desantis you got the parkland shooter is he still behind bars for the rest of his life. he wants a mandatory quick death penalty. >> steve: over the next three hours, we are going to be taking apart a lot of those conversations. in the meantime, our producers were up all night long. they put together a montage. here you have quote. so feistiest exchanges between the seven on the stage last night out west. watch. >> we need to win elections. and part of how we win elections is reaching the next generation of young americans where they are. so, when i got into office, i have been very clear, kids under the age of 16 should not be using addictive social media. >> this is infuriating because tiktok is one of the most dangerous social media alps we can have. >> yes, it is. >> what you have got, honestly, every time i hear you i feel dumber for what you say. >> last debate he said we were al

the only person who i can think of who might be at risk would be mike pence. other than that, there's no argument to be made his first amendment rights as a candidate will somehow be infringed upon by judge chutkan granting this order. i think it was a great job by the doj and jack smith and i anticipate some version of their request is going to be granted by the court because she does understand this is someone who has a wide platform and his acolytes, his followers, they are prone to action, and when we see them act, we know what happens. >> yeah, and let me play one more. this is ruby freeman testifying. i'll just read it, in the great state of georgia, the great state of georgia did with ruby freeman mess, why not just tell the truth? get rid of the turmoil and guilt and take our country back from the evils and treachery and the radical left monsters who want to see america die. that resulted in ruby freeman getting insane death threats as well as her daughter getting them. she had to move out of her home. we know what trump is capable of. can he assert he

mike pence heads to new hampshire tomorrow.e told shannon bream that these numbers do not reflect what he is seeing on the ground. >> frankly, our canvassers have been running consistently second in that state. plenty of time between now and the iowa caucuses. >> ramaswamy the only candidate holding events this weekend. >> yes, i will support him. if i'm the president, yes, i will pardon him. >> former un ambassador nikki haley sounding off on fake the nation -- "face the nation." listen. >> implying that the american people are not smart. the american people will not vote for a convict it criminal. the american people will vote for someone that can win a general election. >> june of 2015. 1% of republicans picked then candidate trump as their choice. it just shows that significant gains are made. >> we will see where it goes. mike: thank you very much. four more on this, let's bring it two days panel. welcome to both of you appeared. >> thanks for having me. >> former vice president mike pence out on the circuit today talking

>> to trump, guess that would exclude mike pence this time around. but are they blind like a beauty pageant? >> i it's interesting. i don't see any of these people as possible running mates for donald trump. you and especially the people who who have the most sort of broad appeal. by attacking trump. nikki haley, tim scott, chris mike pence know i would think desantis has been really likes trump and all think i don't think that actually helps all. so, no, i think that they know that, you know, kari lake and others have bill, according trying to be trump's vp. this is really about saying whether or not if something happened that, he's convicted, if some other indictment comes out or some other calamity. but actually forces his base to look elsewhere. then there's there's a chance there's a shot and that's what this is all about. so on the one hand, they want to differentiate themselves from trump. on the other hand, if the base goes anywhere else, the fbi train take that as well because the mega based is intensely faithful and loyal. i did. donald tru

howard: mike pence is at 5, trump is at 50%. how is your guy going to win?ble we've had -- howard: i wouldn't argue with that. you're saying it's early. >> certainly, it's early. at this point in 2016 donald trump was single digits in the summer. if you look back to barack obama and his historic victory over hillary, he was down until late in the fall when he broke through in iowa. traditionally past labor day is when people pay a a lot. maria: attention. howard: although one guy for the moment isn't debating. many think mike pence acted admirably on january 6th by refusing to block the certification, which he had no power to do. but many republicans aren't happy with pence because they believe the election was stolen as trump tells them. so isn't that the box he's in, it's hard to please both sides? >> i think that's fair, but you have to address both sides. if you go back to his announcement speech he addressed january 6th, and he's going to continue to address it gist as he did during the debate. i think people hear the explanation, they understand it. i

on the show today, mike pence, the former vice president. he's come out swinging against donald trump's siren song of populism. he will join us in about 10 minutes. >>> later, i'll be joined by my fellow debate moderators. it's a preview of the big event coming on september 27th from the reagan library in simi valley, california. and perhaps on a lighter note we will introduce you to a restaurant the owner who's fed up with customers who eat and run without paying. it's called dine-and-dash. he's giving chase. big show. thursday, september 7th, 2023. "varney & company" is about to begin. ♪ ♪ get ready, get ready ♪ don't you mow? ♪ get ready 'cuz here i come ♪ stuart: get ready by rare earth. okay. [laughter] word soup, i think you could say right there. and there's sixth avenue, new york city. we're going to start with the markets this morning. david bahnsen with me for the hour. china's looking to, we think, we believe that china is looking to expand the ban on iphones. more than just government workers. apple's taking it on the chin. what

in previous weeks he's targeted mike pence, bill barr, and even a prosecutor on jack smith's team. right now the special counsel wants this iron glad order from the judge in an effort to get donald trump to stop here, anderson. >> and what has the judge previously told the former president's attorneys in court about the argument that he's a candidate for office? >> during his arraignment, the judge was blunt about this. she told trump, look, you're essentially a criminal defendant first, a political candidate second. and she said she expected him to stay within certain boundaries, including limiting what he says. she already told him during that arraignment that if he makes comments that could influence the jury pool, she said she'll speed the start of this trial. she's set it for march 4th of next year. could she bump it up even more? she could. and now the special counsel wants the judge to bar trump officially from making comments about potential witnesses like bill barr, like mike pence. and they want it in this official written order that if the judge issues this, as they ask,