jonathan lemire, it is a stark contrast to donald trump, whose theory of the case was, i'm an outsider in 2016. i'm going to go turn over the tables in washington. i'm going to go break a bunch of stuff. i'm going to do it the way no one has ever done it to get things done. now, joe biden is offering that contrast of, okay, you saw how that went for four years. let me sit here quietly, calmly. yes, i might be getting up there in years as they acknowledge, but i still know how to get things done in washington. he and the republican leadership did it. >> yeah, biden's pitch since day one has been bipartisanship and experience, his commitment to trying to work across the aisle, which he successfully did with the infrastructure bill and did it again here. he has done things with democrats alone when needed, the inflation reduction act to name one, but he prefers to walk across the aisle, to take the temperature down. and he has enshrined the achievements of his first two years. they weren't touched in this deal. it's an important thing the white house says. also, we should note, the white

i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for starting your day with us. we're learning more revealing new details this morning about two separate grand juries looking into former president donald trump's handling of classified documents after he left the white house. first, nbc news has learned roughly two dozen secret service agents have been subpoenaed or appeared before the federal grand jury in washington, d.c. that's according to two sources familiar with the matter. they say the testimony took place in the past few months, meaning not recently as the grand jury has been on hiatus. at the same time "the new york times" is reporting a previously unknown federal grand jury in miami, florida, started hearing testimony in the classified documents case last month. and only a handful of witnesses have testified or scheduled to appear there. that includes one witness set to testify today. the paper is citing people familiar with the grand jury's workings. "the times" also reports the existence of two grand juries suggests prosecutors are considering bringin

i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for being with us. the issue of abortion at a fund-raiser in may recall last flight. biden criticized states that have passed laws restricting access to abortion. according to a report on the hill he defended reproductive rights saying, quote, i'm a practicing catholic. i'm not big on abortion, but guess what, roe v. wade got it right. biden being forthright that what people close to him have long said is how he feels about the issue and abortion. and there's a brand new piece in vanity fair entitled this. republicans are taking an anti-abortion victory lap. they should think twice about this. writing this the problem for the gop primary field is that the chasm between the base and the general electorate keeps growing and this is not helped by the fact at least two candidates are running to the right of donald trump. one is mike pence calling for a 15-week federal ban and making the issue a center piece of his campaign. then there's governor ron desantis who in april signed into law a six-week abortion

i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for being with us.iani, one of the most vocal promoters of former president trump's lies about the 2020 election being stolen has now been interviewed by federal investigators as part of special counsel jack smith's probe into efforts to overturn that election. a spokesperson for giuliani released a statement framing the appearance as, quote, entirely voluntary and conducted in a professional manner. "the new york times" is reporting that the interview is the latest indication that smith and his team are actively seeking witnesses who might cooperate in that case. one person familiar with the matter tells "the times" that prosecutors asked the former new york city mayor about a plan to create fake slates of pro-trump electors in key swing states that were actually won by joe biden. an attorney for giuliani did not immediately respond to request by nbc news for comment. the justice department also did not immediately respond to request for comment. nbc news has previously reported that smith subpoenaed l

i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for being with us.can presidential candidate ron desantis unveiled his hard-right immigration and border security proposals yesterday while he was in texas. the florida governor said that lethal force should be used against suspected drug cartel members and called for the end of citizenship which of course is protected by the 14th amendment. >> if someone were breaking into your house to do something bad, you would respond with force. yet why don't we do that at the southern border? so if the cartels are cutting through the border wall trying to run product into this country, they're going to end up stone-cold dead as a result of that bad decision. and if you do that one time, you are not going to see them meswith our wall ever again. >> a race to the right. desantis also said his administration would, quote, fully deputize state and local law enforcement officers in states like texas to arrest and deport migrants back to mexico. his administration, he says, would also detain migrant children indefinite

jonathan lemire, your thoughts?n't be more twisted, but this is twisted. >> bottom keeps getting lower. why not? he called january 6th a beautiful day. he promised to pardon most of the january 6th rioters. he has suggested he'll make a contribution to the legal defense fund. let us not forget, he's appeared with a january 6th choir convict pause that's donald trump right now, richard haass. >> wow, convict choir. >> convict choir, which we should never lose sight of and bring it up at least once a week. this is where we are with january 6th. it's not just trump, though. some of the other republicans are saying they'd do the same thing. not the contribution to the legal defense fund, but desantis said he'd pardon some. pence said he probably wouldn't, nikki haley either. if january 6th continues to be normalized, like, what could it mean for the 2024 election? >> side note, the fact that donald trump would contribute to a defense fund, i'm not a lawyer, but these people could be called on to testify against him. he

i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for being with us.rest of the week. yesterday for the second straight day 11 lawmakers mostly from the freedom caucus blocked leadership backed bills from moving forward. the house adjourned until next week after talks with the group failed to find any sort of compromise. the revolt seems to be retaliation for the debt ceiling deal between speaker kevin mccarthy and president joe biden. speaker mccarthy was asked about the standoff with members of his own party. >> what are they asking from you specifically? >> this is the difficulty. some of these members they don't know what to ask for. there's numerous different things they're frustrated about, so we'll listen to them. we'll solve this. we've got a small majority. there's a little chaos going on, but the focus i always keep is -- >> joining us now play book coauthor and the chief washington correspondent for politico ryan lizza. great to see you. let's start there with rebellion from members of the far-right. let's get your analysis how mccarthy is p

i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for being with us.omination, the 2024 gop primary has once again become the trump show. it's that more than ever before there appears to be no end in sight with the prospect of a prolonged legal battle reducing his competitors to commentators on his legal trouble or drowning them out entirely. joining us now one of the authors of that piece, national political correspondent for politico, meredith mcgraw. mur dagt, good morning. so let's talk about that story for politico and how some of these gop rivals have been completely drowned out by the trump story, the trump noise of the indictment. how are they possibly compensating? >> well, for a lot of these candidates to get attention in the race at this moment they're having to comment directly on trump's case and on trump's indictment. we've seen how -- made the move opgoing down to miami last week on tuesday of trump's arraignment to press on some of the other republican candidates, and they found other ways to insert themselves into the news cycle. and t

i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for starting your day with us. as his legal troubles mount, new polling shows that donald trump is losing some support among republican primary voters. in the latest cnn survey, a 47% of registered republican and republican leaning independents say trump is their choice to lead the 2024 ticket. now, that is down 6 points from a poll taken last month but is still 21 points higher than florida governor ron desantis who was in second place. former vice president mike pence and former u.n. ambassador nikki haley round out the top four with no other candidate polling above 5%. the poll also shows that trump's favorability rating has fallen 10 points among republicans since last month from 77% to 67%. additionally 27% now say they have an unfavorable view of the former president. that's up compared to 18% in may. dig even more on these poll numbers later in the morning. we're also learning new details about the plea deal reached between department of justice prosecutors and hunter bi

i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for being with us.esident donald trump is due back in court this afternoon for his second arraignment in as many months. this time on federal charges stemming from his use of classified documents after leaving office. nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent garret haake as more. >> reporter: former president trump arriving at the airport in miami. later greeted by a crowd of supporters in south florida ahead of his historic court hearing. the former president now a federal criminal defendant defiant in the face of a 37-count indictment. >> the ridiculous and baseless indictment of me by the biden administration's weaponized department of justice will go down as among the most horrific abuses of power in the history of our country. writing, hard to believe the leading candidate by far of the opposition party got indicted. this is strictly third world and vowing if elected to appoint a, quote, real special prosecutor to investigate president biden, an appointment he as president would not have the auth

i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for being with us.lection chairman ronna mcdaniel is doubling down on the need for gop candidates to sign a loyalty pledge in order to qualify for the first primary debate. take a look what she had to say on the matter on fox news last night. >> this candidate pledged to enter to the debate stage you have to pledge to support the nominee. totally agree with you in principle. christie calls it a useless idea, trump, i don't think you'll ever get him to sign that pledge. do you think he'll have to do away with this pledge nod to not have one person hitting themselves? >> it's the republican party nomination and the pledge is staying. and anybody who wants to seek the nomination of our party should pledge to support the voters. if you go through this process and take time on the debate stage and you're going to be there, the number one pledge should be beat biden. that the end of the day we all have to be united in one thing. if we can't commit we're going to support who the voters choose as the nominee, t

i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for being with us.p on the first anniversary of the overturning of roe v. wade this week, senate democrats are going on the offensive when it comes to abortion access. senate majority leader chuck schumer brought four bills to the floor yesterday that would protect a woman's right to abortion access and contraception. many republicans who would have their votes on record ahead of the 2024 election, dismissed the move as blatantly partisan. meanwhile semafor is reporting anti-abortion activists are pushing republicans to go on the offensive themselves. in this case when it comes to banning abortion nationwide after 15 weeks. the group is citing polling that they believe works in their favor. joining us now politics reporter for sema for, shelby talcott. let's start with what you're hearing from those anti-abortion groups and that proposed ban. >> yeah, so the big thing here is sba, one of the biggest anti-abortion groups in the country is effectively pushing for republicans to go on offense with this iss

i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for starting your day us. we've got a lot of news to get to this morning. there's a potential new key development in the investigation into former president donald trump taking classified documents with him to mar-a-lago after he left the white house. nbc news has confirmed that attorneys for the former president met with doj officials yesterday including special counsel jack smith at the justice department's headquarters in washington, d.c. attorney general merrick garland and deputy attorney general lisa monaco did not attend this meeting. the comes as the grrng investigating trump's handling of classified documents is expected to meet again this week after a multi-week long hiatus. the meeting also comes nearly two weeks after two of trump's attorneys sent a letter to the attorney general asking for a meeting to discuss what they call jack smith's unfair treatment of trump. moments after trump's attorneys were spotted leaving doj, the former president took to social media asking this question. i'll read it.

i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for being with us.and fell during the air force academy graduation ceremony in colorado springs yesterday. biden was quickly helped up by secret service and pointed to something on the stage. you see the fall here. the white house communication staff said the president tripped over a sandbag that was on a platform. despite tripping the president returned to his seat on the stage and the ceremony continued. he sat down rather gingerly after the fall, then he shook hands with graduates and took selfiewise the crowd as usual. when asked about the spill later in the day here's what the president had to say. >> i got sandbagged. >> the president in good humor there and did a little jug for the reporters waiting for him on the lawn. we should note, though, he banged his head coming off the helicopter just moments before that. joining us now white house correspondent for nbc news jordan fabian. look, presidents do trip and fall sometimes. that happens. we all do, let's be clear. but for this president we've ne

i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for starting your day with us. we'll begin this morning with a big deal on capitol hill. the house of representatives passed the biden-mccarthy debt ceiling deal on a bipartisan basis last night. the final vote ended up being 314-117. with members from the three centrist groups from the house caucus and the democratic coalition providing the critical votes that were indeed needed for the bill to pass. the house progressive caucus and the house freedom caucus, while both groups were vocal in the lead-up to the vote, moderate congressional members quietly ended up with a win, showcasing the reshuffle power structure in this new era of divided government in washington. after the bill was passed president biden thanked house speaker mccarthy and minority leader hakeem jeffries for their work on the bill. he took a victory lap after the bill's passage saying he hoped the bill demonstrates that congress puts the american people first. so the debt limit bill now heads to the sept for

i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for being with us.a is reporting moscow has set a september date for elections in the four illegally annexed regions of ukraine, they're not completely controlled by russia and there's active fighting going on right now in all four regions. still, these elections will be coming. and any elections russia puts on will certainly be seen as illegitimate by the western world, the same as russia's initial claim of annexation. meanwhile on the front ukraine's forces continue to make some ground in their counter offensive. reuters is citing a ukrainian military commander as saying they've regained roughly 38 square miles of territory in two major pushes south so far. joining us now pentagon reporter for politico. laura, let's start with ukraine. that's actually not that much territory, but there was an expectation the counter offensive was going to be a slog, this was going to be slow going. the russian troops have been dug in these places for a while. what's the early analysis from the pentagon, people you spe

susan page and jonathan lemire are still with us.pat sajak with the "wheel of fortune." i can do durham, pretending he didn't know anything that happened in 2016. he knew nothing about russia cutouts. >> no clue. >> nothing about them releasing dirt on hillary clinton. knew nothing about that meeting that don jr. and family members submit, knew nothing. let's start with adam schiff for a second. they decide to attack adam schiff because he opened an investigation that marco rubio and the republican-led intel committee, a year later, a year later, would conclude that donald trump's campaign activities caused, and let me say it again, quote, a grave threat to u.s. counterintelligence. >> yeah, and you're right to highlight the senate intelligence committee report because that's the report republicans never want to talk about. they want to talk about, there was no collusion. mueller didn't find collusion, and they ignore the fact that marco rubio shared the senate intelligence committee, as you say, which mentioned the trump campaign wa

i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for starting your day with us, and we'll begin this morning with the landmark decisions from the supreme court ending the systematic consideration of race-based affirmative action in college admissions. the court ruled that the programs at the university of north carolina and one at harvard university violate the equal protection clause of the constitution. the schools were accused of giving substantial preferences to black and hispanic applicants while discriminating against asian students. the vote was 6-3 in the north carolina case with all three of the liberal judges dissenting and 6-2 in the harvard ruling because justice ketanji brown jackson recused herself. chief justice john roberts wrote the majority opinion stating that both programs lack a sufficient focus and measurable objectives warranting the use of race, unavoidably employing race and lack meaningful end points. however, he also seemed to give admissions offices an opening on the issue of race writing this. not

i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for being with us.hat shows donald trump's support is holding steady among republican voters. in the latest quinnipiac university survey, 53% of republican and republican leaning voters say trump is their top choice for the 2024 gop primary. that is within the poll's margin of error and essentially unchanged from last month. we should note the poll began last thursday. that's the same evening that trump announced he was being indicted, so this does reflect that moment. in second place is florida governor ron desantis at 23%. all other candidates polled at less than 5 persh. we should note, though, in a hypothetical general election matchup the polls show president joe biden beating president trump 48% to 44%, but of course margin of error comes into play there as well. it's close. >>> meanwhile, we're learning more about former president trump's efforts to fund raise off his indictment. a campaign e-mail sent out yesterday claims his team has raised over $6.6 million since thursday. that's including the

jonathan lemire, reverend al sharpton are still with us. new details about the justice department's investigation into former president donald trump's handling of classified documents after leaving the white house. nbc news has learned exclusively that the federal grand jury hearing in evidence the case is expected to meet again this week in washington, d.c. that's according to multiple people familiar with the investigation. they say activity for the grand jury appeared to have slowed in recent weeks. prosecutors working for special counsel jack smith may have been -- have been presenting the grand jury with evidence and witness testimony for several months now. it's not clear if prosecutors are prepared to seek an indictment at this point, and the justice department would not comment on the status of the investigation. former president trump maintains he has broken no laws. let's bring in nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian and congressional investigations reporter for "the washington post" jackie. it's good to ha

jonathan lemire, overall take?house to find out what transpired leading up to and on that fateful day. there's so much legal peril for donald trump. it's going to complicate his run for the presidency again. it's going to be a distraction and also an incredible time consumption. if he's indicted in up to four places, he's going to be spending the next year and a half shutting in and out of courtrooms. >> i think we've seen how much work jack smith has had on his plate with the mar-a-lago case and with this more complicated january 6th case. time consumption is also going to face donald trump next year. he faces the very real prospect that he's going to have to show up in multiple different cases against him in different states. it's very hard running an election campaign. he's not young. we've all been focused on joe biden's age, but donald trump is not that much younger. an election campaign is physically brutal even for those of us covering it. imagine what it's like being the candidate. become the candidate whil

jonathan lemire is still with us. watershed moment on race in higher education. >> i think this is a huge step back. >> we can now rejoice over the fact that at least our kids can be judged based on their achievements and merits alone. >> reporter: the supreme court dealt a major blow to using race as criteria in admissions. president biden condemning the ruling and the high court itself. >> is this a rogue court? >> this is not a normal court. >> reporter: the justices offering dramatically different views of the role of race in america. justice sotomayor delivering a blistering dissent from the bench for nearly 20 minutes. edward bloom, the conservative activist behind the lawsuits against the schools, praised the ruling. >> these obligations compel the removal of all racial and ethnic classification boxes from undergrad and post grad application forms. >> reporter: they may consider student essays about the impact of a student's race on one's life. what if you're a black student who doesn't want to talk about it? >

let me bring in to this conversation with mark jonathan lemire. ring before we let mark go, do either you or mark have maybe a reinhold neiber quote since it seems to be popular today and yesterday on the show about the boston red sox? >> yeah, jon meacham has been entertaining us with these quotes in recent days. i believe it is the red sox are a stain on mankind. it is one of his lesser-known sayings, it is not as wildly publicized as some of his wider thoughts on humanity. their losing streak, they've fallen under .500 and they head to the bronx tonight. >> okay. >> they head to the bronx, and if i can have a stat right here, do you have -- oh, here we go. mike barnicle, mark, gave us this helpful stat. our starters have a 5.21 e.r.a. and we only have 15 quality starts in 16 games, a measurement of how good a pitching staff you have. listen, this was a surprise, it was no surprise at all. the red sox we knew, just like we knew donald trump was going to getting indicted, we knew the red sox pitching staff was going to destroy 'em. we have a fun l

jonathan lemire, you wrote the book on the big lie. wallowing in the big lie, despite the fact that fox news in the form of bret baier just deboned him. deboned all of his arguments. talked about the federal judges that found -- that there was no widespread voter fraud. the supreme court found no widespread voter fraud. as he said, recounts in every swing state. multiple recounts. again, bret is telling him this, and he looks dazed and confused. >> most of the recounts produced more votes for joe biden, not donald trump. and it is interesting here. and credit to bret baier for the interview. we should note, it is a media story, too, that fox news is being tough with trump. of course, perhaps, we should say, impacted because of the $787 million they were forced to pay dominion. there was more litigation coming, so that is probably why they're being more careful with what they say and not letting trump run rough shot. but trump is used to getting the friendly audience, like in the town hall last month or when an interviewer doesn't push

it i'm jonathan lemire.s. >>> despite facing federal charges, new polling shows donald trump is expanding his lead in the 2024 republican primary. in the latest nbc survey, trump is the top choice of 51% of gop voters. that's up from april. at 42% is ron desantis, whose support has fallen by nine points since the last poll which was taken before he officially entered the race. although trump remains popular among republicans, just 34% of all registered voters view him positively while 56% view him negatively. 5% say the recent charges against trump gave them major or moderate concerns about the moderate president. as for his 2024 electoral opponent president joe biden, 43% approve of the job he's doing in office while 53% disapproves. that's essentially unchanged since april. the current president leads the past president 49% to 45%, right about the margin of error. joining us now, senior political editor for nbc news, mark murray. great to see you this morning. first let's start with desantis. what's the re

i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for starting your day and week with us it. is going to be a busy one. we'll get right to it. our top headline, former president donald trump is scheduled to appear in a miami courtroom tomorrow following his indictment in the mar-a-lago documents investigation. the former president is set to depart from his bedminster resort in new jersey this morning and arrive in miami later this afternoon. he'll stay at his doral golf club tonight. then at 3:00 p.m. tomorrow he'll be arraigned on 37 criminal accounts in a miami criminal court. after his arraignment, trump will fly back to bedminster and deliver public remarks tomorrow evening. that event was originally scheduled to be a fund raiser to celebrate his birthday. trump will turn 77 years old on wednesday. trump held a similar event at mar-a-lago following his arraignment in newark in april on state charges of falsifying business records in a hush money case involving adult film star stormy daniels. trump has denied wrongdoing in both cases and will continue to have that fund-rai

joining me now, peter baker, jonathan lemire and former u.s. attorney paul charlton. paul, talk about the legal implications of this as it reported. does this new information about a recording indicate something to you that would be of real interest to jack smith? he has taken testimony apparently. >> andrea, we can't know all of the evidence that jack smith has in his possession right now. if this recording is a capturing of former president trump's voice admitting he has a classified document at his country club, at his golf club, that it is probably among the best, most important, most weighty pieces of evidence jack smith has. intent. what it is the president knew is one of the most difficult aspects of any prosecution. anyprosecutor has to know, how do we prove what the person knew? these are my very words. a tape played before a jury is powerful evidence. it doesn't forget and it doesn't lie. as we know, the president has a buffet of facts which he has choosing from in the past. multiple explanations or defenses for why he had these documents. chief among them,

>> jonathan lemire, great reporting there.nk you so much, appreciate it. >>> meantime, house republicans are ramping up their attacks on special counsel jack smith including a push to have his office defunded all together. nbc's julie tsirkin is on capitol hill for us. who's leading the charge there, julie? >> reporter: it belongs to none other than congresswoman marjorie taylor greene, and as the white house remains silent in their strategy, republicans here on capitol hill are anything but, in the to greene who is mounting an effort to defund the special counsel's office. there is of course chairman jim jordan of the judiciary committee who leads the weaponization committee, a vehicle they already have, they established earlier this congress to essentially look into matters of what they say is the government being weaponized against conservatives, in this case, the former president. here's what they're doing as having power of one-half of one branch of government here. of course they only control the house by a slim majority

jonathan lemire and donny deutsch are back with us for the hour.ace. in this latest fox news survey, trump leads florida governor ron desantis by 34 points, 56% to 22%. in third place at 5% is sbre entrepreneur vivek ram swam my. 70% of republicans say it is extremely important to nominate a candidate who can defeat president joe biden in a general election. that is 15 points higher than the number who say it's extremely important that a candidate shares their views. new polling shows most americans think donald trump broke the law with his mishandling of classified documents. in the latest poll, 53% of all adults say the former president's actions were illegal, while another 16% say they were unethical but not a crime. among republicans, though, more than a quarter believe donald trump did nothing wrong at all. 60% of republicans also still view the former president favorably. while overall that figure sits at 33%. jonathan lemire, it seems like in many ways donald trump has done a great job at desensitizing the public to something that is extreme

i'm jonathan lemire.nks for starting your day and week with us. and we'll begin this morning with a deadly plane crash near the nation's capitol. yesterday afternoon the military scrambled two f-16 fighter jets to respond to a private business jet that was flying over restricted airspace in dc. the response caused a loud sonic boom that was heard across the region around unsettled many of the residents there. here's some of the sound surveillance cameras captured. the sound was heard across many miles. the cessna was not responding to radio transmissions. it then crashed in the shenandoah wall i have in virginia. officials say there were no survivors. according to the faa t plane took off from tennessee and was headed to long island when it suddenly turned around and flew back toward washington. it's not clear why the pilot was not responding or how the plane crashed. "the new york times" reports the plane was owned by on core motors in melbourne, florida, the man who owned it, john rumpel says they were

jonathan lemire, msnbc political analyst, jennifer horn, former chair of the republican presidential party. what are we expecting from the campaign as it moves forward. >> the event will be a town hall style meeting. you can expect that interaction between former governor christie and new hampshire voters. and any issues can really come up. when you ask about the theory of his campaign and the style of his campaign, you can see him work as a bulldog, especially against former president donald trump. that's not just coming from campaign sources, but you also heard governor christie preview that when he was last here in new hampshire. telling voters are he made a strategic error in 2016 with that failed presidential run, he ended up in sixth place in new hampshire by not taking on donald trump directly. he was an ally right after 2016 into the 2020 campaign, but now he's a sharp trump critic and you can expect to hear a lot of that criticism on the campaign trail and that's going to be a lot of his strategy. i want you to listen to what he told voters back in march about why he shifted

i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for being with us.trump's historic arraignment, and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell is steering clear of trump in the wake of this latest indictment, but other top republicans continue to voice their support for the former president. >> i intend to support president trump. i don't think this trial goes to trial before the election. there are just way too many issues in this case for this trial to move forward, and the chance of him getting acquitted if a juror believes this is unfair, you have to do two things as a prosecutor. you've got to prove, you know, the letter of the law, then you've got to prove this is the right thing to do. >> what was the damage? was this stolen and sold to the iranians, sold to the saudis, you know, given over to the russians? that allegation is not made in that indictment and no one has made that allegation. at the end of the day you have to weigh the damage of the indictment and it's not even a fair way. >> do the documents belong to trump? >> which documents are y

i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for being with us.ight expect house republicans are wasting no time responding to former president donald trump's federal indictment. house speaker kevin mccarthy tweeted incorrectly reads as if president biden indicted trump. he tweeted this, it's unconscionable. his reads in part joe biden is weaponizing the department of justice against his own political rival. that is of course incorrect. the white house and doj separate on this matter. a florida grand jury was the one that indicted the former president. and gop conference chair elise stefanik titled her statement on indictment this way, the unprecedented and sham indictment of president donald trump by biden's department of justice. you can see the talking points are coalescing. now the only member of house leadership who hasn't yet released a public reaction is house majority whip congressman tom emmer. a trump ally tells nbc news that emmer's silence has been noted. on the other side of the aisle democratic leader hakeem jeffries tweeted this, th

i'll ask ya the same thing, jonathan lemire.ouse has to hear the constant drum beat we've gone through it. joe biden always underestimated. joe biden always wins. but, man, the drum beat just gets stronger and stronger every week i mean, you know, he makes a statement like "god save the queen" at the end of a speech, everybody is calling going, "this is the end this is the end. it seems every time, there's something that happens, everybody gets on the phone and they start talking again, they overlook a lot of the successes. i mean, do they think they have a communication problem? do they think they need to be more assertive, getting these wins out there >> well, being nervous is a permanent condition for democrats, but they are particularly nervous right now about president biden, despite his impressive -- no other way to say it -- impressive track record in office at this point the white house can read the poll numbers they see the lack of enthusiasm about democrats for biden in '4 onward, even if they think he's done a good jo

and jonathan lemire, we say two things can be true at once.ings as political pawns and there is a crisis at the border. and we see it in new york city as well. very progressive city that has welcomed migrants, a sactuary city saying we can't handle the migrants anymore and they are sending to outlying counties. so time to do something serious about it, not just gesture about it. >> and even as there was a bipartisan deal on the debt limit the other day and some renewed hope to work across the aisle, there is no suggestion that any comprehensive immigration bill is coming anytime soon. and you are right to underscore the issues that cities are having. mayor adams saying that how much new york city is struggling with this, even saying that he might have migrants at the mayoral residence because they are running out of space. it is a real issue. but it comes a time when the biden administration actually though no one is taking a victory happen here, it has now been a month since title 42 can about fired and there has not been the surge of migrant

. >> jonathan lemire, host of msnbc's way too early. ngressman david jolly, they are both msnbc political analysts. so jonathan, so look, if trump doesn't show, does the debate still matter? >> they would. they would certainly matter less and probably attract a lot less attention. now, for some candidates for trump not to show, that would be an opportunity for them to shine and maybe make their case without risk being bullied by the gop front runner, but it would also deprive them of a chance to take on trump directly. chris christie is looking to do that. we'll see if trump falls through on that. anger at fox news, anger at various times at the rnc. the second debate is scheduled tentatively for the reagan library. he's got beef there too. it's not clear when or where trump will debate. one assumes he'll have to at some point since this nomination. >> congressman, though, do you think he's serious about maybe skipping at least the first debate? i mean, he rarely thinks anyone can be fair, so when he says fox news isn't fair, it's not a

jonathan lemire is still with us for the hour. n? i don't think that's what he said. >> i would never say such a thing, joe. but i will say what happened last night, and i've been texting with white house aides about this, and there is a sense of any politics, including this president, they tend to get a little too comfort fumble the fund-raiser settings because they're surrounded by friendly donors, cheering their every word. there's not usually a camera or a tv crew, but there are some reporters taking notes. sometimes, it's not the first time it's happened with president biden this has happened and other politicians, too, they say things they don't realize are going to be for public consumption. that seems to be the case here and no doubt it has enflamed tensions with china. i've never used those words referring to joe scarborough. >> you look back, and you were so right, for some reason politicians, presidents, presidential candidates, they get into these settings, theetsz fund-raising settings, and they're completely relaed mo

yeah, and the thing is, jonathan lemire, that's the point. i mean, there's some hard core supporters who will say it doesn't matter that donald trump is a liar. it doesn't matter that he stole classified documents. it doesn't matter that he obstructed justice. it doesn't matter that he broke the law. it doesn't matter that he kept lying and that he moved documents the day before they were coming down to get the documents. it doesn't matter that he got caught on tape lying. they'll say that. but when you go a little below the surface with 'em, they go, i'm so exhausted by this guy, right? when they -- when they aren't having to admit that they voted for him twice and that they keep defending him, you scratch below the surface. i hear it time and time again, we both do, they're so exhausted by him. katty brings up a great point. i have to keep bringing it up because, as we talk about the republican nomination, republicans have a choice here, do they want to win or do they want to lose? nay want to lose, i can let them know, keep backing donald

. >> and jonathan lemire, you should weigh in on this too. one thing trump and his legal team is counting on is judge cannon, they believe she'll be friendly to him, kicks the can down the road until after the election. i think that's the one thing, it's a hell of a legal strategy, but they're counting on the judge being favorable to them. >> she's the real wild card here, and there's no doubt she delivered a lot of favorable rulings early in the process, during the early stages of the investigation, of course as we have been noting on the show, she was rather humiliated. is she going to take those bullets again for him. some in the trump circle i talked to think she will, they hope she will. at minimum, they hope there are procedural moves that can be done to delay the start of the trial to push it beyond the election, that trump could win, be president, and cannot be charged and pardon, all the things they're trying to sort out. certainly no one i have talked to in the trump world is talking about a plea deal right now. that's not their str

also with us this morning, white house bureau chief of "politico" jonathan lemire and former white house press secretary, now an msnbc host, jen psaki is with us, and former u.s. attorney, joyce vance, an msnbc legal analyst and congressional investigations reporter for "the washington post," jackie alemany joins us as well. and jackie, this one actually tells you everything you need to know about former president donald trump. the jig is just never up. it's never up. >> really, really, he should have listened to kenny rogers. >> you got to know when to hold them. >> know when to walk away, know when to run. >> right. >> jackie, in your report -- >> i'm going to start singing. >> -- in "the washington post" it reveals one of former president trump's new attorneys proposed last fall that trump's team could try to negotiate a settlement with the justice department in the classified documents report, but the paper reports trump was having none of it. attorney christopher kies reportedly wanted to quietly approach doj. but the former president was not interested in listening to the plan so k

jonathan lemire is with us as wednesday.estions about jurisdiction, but also the testimony by taylor budowich very defensive on social media after his answering questions. >> i probably would be too if the feds were coming after my boss and possibly me. and so let's talk about it. a fascinating twist in all of this. jackie, to you first and then over to the state attorney in palm beach county, dave aronberg. jackie, why south florida? >> well, this is really a statutory thing. the bull position of the crimes that trump is likely potentially going to be charged for actually occurred in florida. and so if you are looking through hypothetical charges, the removal of the documents could be charged in d.c. but wrongfully retaining documents which is sort of a charge that we have heard that prosecutors are discussing, that is better suited to charges in the jurisdiction where the crime was committed which is mar-a-lago. and so the process is that once the grand jury is done hearing evidence, then the appropriate magistrate and onc

with us we have the host of "way too early" jonathan lemire. u.s. special correspondent for bbc news, katty kay and white house editor for politico, sam stein. joe is is on assignment but willy and i are here and donald trump is rolling out yet another excuse for that leaked audio tape that appeared to have him showing up classified documents to people. in an interview with fox news digital yesterday the former president professed his innocence and accused the media, even fox, of conspireing against him. here's a portion of the leaked tape from august of 2021, followed by trump's defense yesterday. >> wait a minute. let's see here. >> yeah. >> i just found -- isn't that amazing? this totally wins my case, you know. except it is like highly can feel, secret. secret this is secret information. this was done by the military, given to me. i think we can probably -- right? >> i don't know. we'll have to see. yeah, we'll have to try to -- >> declassify it. >> yeah. >> if i was president, i could declassify it. but now i can't. >> we have a problem. >> isn

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jonathan lemire, really quickly, it is important we expand out on what mika just said. first of all, jared kushner got a couple billion dollars for his fund from the saudis. there's absolutely no evidence, nobody has ever suggested there's evidence of a connection between jared and donald trump on this money. in fact, all the reporting i've gotten, and i'm curious what you've heard, is that donald trump was enraged that kushner got $2 billion, his fund, as he'd say, off his name. >> off the president's name. >> off of the presidency. that's one thing. the second thing is, though, i was starting to think, like mika, that perhaps this whole shtick we're thinking, he is a strange dude, why is he keeping this, to hug boxes? we've said from the beginning, and today is the eighth anniversary, people tell us, of donald trump coming down the escalator, we've said from the beginning, this is all about money. if you're trying to figure out donald trump's motive, whatever it is, we've been saying it for eight years, it's all about money. i'm not -- we have absolutely no evidence t

"way too early" with jonathan lemire is coming up next. >>> demanded a bipartisan solution.knew we'd need to come together for a solution like the one that passed tonight, and so i'm happy to stand here passing this critical legislation to support our families, observe vital programs and most importantly avoid catastrophic

"way too early" with jonathan lemire is up next. >>> there will be no reason to have the meeting if thereen't going to be potential charges. when you look at what the facts are, it would actually be a violation of the

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i don't appreciate jonathan lemire texting me to ask if i was a lawyer who filed a stuff.mbination of human error and the use of a eyes are going awry. what is the outcome of this case now? do they toss it? >> not necessarily toss, it also that was the issue -- when this was filed, but more likely you'll see professional discipline, and that's something that strikes fear in the hearts of attorneys. there is actually a tale of two lawyers here, sadly. one is the tale of sympathy, the other were not so much. it happens often that you get a lawyer who has practiced say, in new york, for us 30 years, never bothered to walk on the street and get admitted to the federal court, so yes the other lawyer in his office, hey, can i do all the research and you just signed the document and finalist. i've done that. you trust the other lawyer to do the research, so now you have to lawyers on the hook and no good deed goes unpunished. one lawyer, all he did was trust that his fellow colleague in the firm had done all the research and verified it. once the judge issued the, hey, you need t

"way too early" with jonathan lemire is up next. >>> i was just saying because we were talking about it, and he said he wanted to attack iran and -- >> you did. >> this was done by the military and given to me. i think we can probably, right? >> i don't know. we'll have to see. try to -- >> figure out a -- >> declassify it. as president i can declassify it, but now i can't. isn't that interesting? >> that's part of a recording obtained by cnn of donald trump

"way too early" with jonathan lemire is coming up next. >>> why do you think he's not using his own money because he's the cheapest person i've ever met in my life. that's why. what he's very good at, kaitlyn, is spending other peoples money. it's disgrateful. he's going for middle class men and women in this country and th