i think it'd be bad for springfield. i think it'd be bad for ohio. >> you've voted for donald trump in 2020 he's now saying that if he is re-elected, he's going to deport these haitian immigrants i mean, do you still plan to vote for him i think it would be a mistake to kick these people out. not enough of a mistake to change how you plan. >> well, look, i think the decision to who you support for president is based upon multiple issues and i am a republican. i support my party going against the nominee of the party i think makes me a less effective governor of the state of ohio, given that what do you say to a haitian who will see these comments and say? >> i thought this governor had my back and he is now going to support the person who wants to kick me out. >> yeah look, people can make any conclusion. they want to, but i make my position very, very clear. i don't think there should be thrown i think it would be a dramatic mistake. >> i think it's wrong sort of the national politics of things versus the reality of wha

i think it would be bad for springfield. i think it would be bad for ohio. >> you've voted for donald trump in 2020. he's now saying that if he is re-elected, he's going to deport these haitian immigrants i mean, do you still plan to vote for him? >> i think it would be a mistake to kick these people out not enough of a mistake to change how you plan. well, look, i think the decision to who you support for president is his based upon multiple issues. and i am republican. i support my party going against the nominee of the party. i think, makes me a less effective governor of the state of ohio given that, what do you say to a haitian who will see these comments and say, i thought this governor had my back and he is now going to support the person who wants to kick me out yeah. >> look, people can make any conclusion. they want to, but i make my position very, very clear. i don't think they should be thrown out i think it would be a dramatic mistake. i think it's wrong sort of the national politics of things versus the reality

in the case of springfield, springfield was a declining population. and with a patient that is kind of an estimate for about $12.00 to $15000.00 milligrams, they publicity economy. and what we've noticed on and against it is that they make is generally do tend to work harder than others. even though that does perpetuate some sorts of, you know, common stereotypes, it is true that people who are, you know, in more difficult, like situations as immigration, will have to. when they come to new areas. they generally will have to take the job that they're going to get and they'll get, they're going to take jobs that might be open and that does that boost and benefit economies well received throughout the history of the united states. is that immigrants have helped you guys to it's the foundation of this country. it's what's then you know what people have taught us throughout this country. and unfortunately, these things that have been divided, but we certainly need to see a change that you should hello. i wanted your take here as well. um, how can you chan

questions about the springfield, ohio matter in springfield, ohio, as you know, the republican mayor and the republican congressmen, the republican governor, are all denouncing the false allegations that vance has made about haitian migrants to springfield are eating people's cats and dogs when and if that comes up how do you think senator vance should respond? >> well first i think that would be incredibly unfortunate if that's what the moderate raiders raise jake, we had a hurricane that's devastated four states. we have 40% of our ports that are going on strike right now that the administration did not get ahead of, that can devastate our economy 5 billion a day that we stand to lose. and of course, we already have one war in europe. war exploding in the middle east. there are so many other things that we should be talking about. but look, if that does come up, i expect it to lead to a conversation about immigration and the effects of immigration facts of the parole

allocate $1.3 million to springfield schools.h unit come up within the county. we are seeing the community really come together. a lot of church leaders. a lot of people around here say that theis noise has kind of tod down a little bit and they are really hoping that it can kind of stay that way leading up to the election. >> thank you for that special report. very good to hear. some sense of normal is starting to resume there in springfield, ohio j. jd vance was asked about not supporting donald trump back in 2020. here is what he said. >> why should americans trust that you will give donald trump the advice he needs to hear and not just the advice he wants to hear. you have two minutes. >> i have always been open. sometimes i disagree with the president, but i've always been extremely open about the fact that i was wrong about donald trump. i believe some of the media stories of his record. but most importantly, donald trump delivered for the american people. risi take-homerising pay, an economy that works for normal americans

, ohio. >> the consequences in springfield. >> walz brought up the community of springfield. he is worried about the things that i said. the people that i am worried about in springfield, ohio. >> springfield, ohio has a large number of haitian immigrant that have legal status >> senator, we have so much to get to. >> margaret, i think it is important. >> the exchange went on. at one point, both microphones were cut. >> applying for a green card and waiting for 10 years >> thank you, senator. >> that is illegal immigration, margaret. >> thank you, senator for describing the legal process. we have so much to get to, senator. we have so much. >> it has been on the books since 1990. >> thank you, gentleman. >> it has not been on the books since 1990. >> gentleman. the audience can not hear you because your mics are cut. >> vance brought up another trump comment from his debate with harris that got a lot of attention. >> i have concepts of a plan. >> a lot of people criticized the concepts of a plan remark. >> at one point walz admitted about making a false statement during the 1

stuart: i didn't see that. >> springfield, well done. stuart: what a guy. springfield.un in 1818. it was later renamed springfield in 1832 and became the state capital in 1839. abraham lincoln lived in the city for 24 years when he moved to the white house. what were you tempted to say? >> i wasn't going to say chicago or juliet. i thought rockford. stuart: i was thinking of rockford. a couple other states, springfield is the capital. missouri? no. no. no. "varney and company" is drawing to a close. my colleague and friend neil cavuto starts now. neil: we are waiting for donald trump in chicago to spell out a lot of things, that the economy is horrible. y

and he's very worried about the things i said about springfield. ohio, and in communities all across this country, you've got schools that are overwhelmed, hospitals overwhelmed. you've got housing totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with americans for scarce homes. the people i'm most worried about ipspringfield, ohio, are the american citizens who have had their lives destroyed by kamala harris' open border. it is a disgrace, tim. i agree with you, i think you want to solve this problem, but i don't think kamala harris does. >> later the cbs news moderators fact checked vance noting haitian immigrants in springfield do have legal status, and then they did try to move onto another topic, but the senator would not let up. so the moderators eventually muted his microphone, creating howls of protest from those on the right. joining us now professor at princeton university, eddie glaude. always great to see you, my friend. we know the lie, the racist lie about haitian immigrants originated with j.d. van

and the mayor that many springfield business owners and much of the city and citizens in springfieldl as now dozens of former classmate jd vance's. they spend his debate night raising more than $10,000 to help the haitian community. among the donors cynthia nelson, and a former friend of jd vance. the story of your private communications with jd vance is one of the most haunting things you have read in this election cycle. it's a quiet account of complete shape shifting. i wonder if you can, for us, explain who jd vance is was, and would be as vice president. >> yeah, thanks for having me, nicolle. i think you hit the nail on the head. i think he's like water. he reconstitutes himself into whatever space he's in. we saw that last night in the debate, or was it two nights ago now? >> yes. >> he presented a very different side of himself, much more akin to the person i got to know in law school than who we have seen on tucker carlson, but that's unfair if that's the only perception that people have of him is based on that performance. unfortunately, i don't think tim walz did a particu

and 15 to 20,000 people settled in springfield, ohio.ut they last week indicated they were not going to extend the temporary protected status of this individuals which could result in their going into an illegal status. and springfield would have these individuals that would not have any direct federal support and the community would get no additional assistance as to how to handle this 10% of the population of the city that would now fall into an illegal status as a result of the administration terminating their protected status. >> which may happen in the coming year. >> months. >> so this could be an issue for the next president, whoever that president is. congressman, thank you for explaining. "face the nation" will be back in a minute. stay with us. multi-millionaires built their wealth the same way, you have... the fearless investor. the type a cpa. the bootstrapper. the bootmaker. yeehaw [narrator] but many do have something in common. we all trust schwab with our wealth. [narrator] thanks to our award-winning service, low costs a

and as you may know, the population in springfield is around 58,020, 20 the city estimates that anyway, where between 12 and 15,000 immigrants are in the county where springfield is, of course, the biggest cities. so that understandably, regardless of any immigrant status that increase in population has put stresses on things like education, health care, housing prices, things of that nature. and then you add the fact that there's a language barrier here that i think based on my experience, there has helped contribute one to a lack of understanding in some cases, but also just difficulty in adjusting to life in springfield. there is one unmistakable effect they have had on springfield other, we've heard from many people from city officials and business leaders and that's their effect on the economy. take a listen to some of what we found when would you say you hire your first patient immigrant? 34 years ago, post pandemic era as we came out of the pandemic, there was this huge demand for production people to come in and work with us. they might work a day or two and then we'd never see

en cuanto a springfield, tiene 52.000 personas. han agregado 30.000 migrantes a la ciudad. un hospital, tus niÑos no pueden ir a la escuela, no puedes comprar vÍveres, no puedes pagar la renta, eso serÍa un desastre para ti. reportera: fueron preguntas directas y respetuosas, y valiosas para los indecisos. esta noche podrÁn escuchar lo que piensa el candidato republicano. ilia: gracias. esta noche se transmite el foro de votantes con donald trump, desde miami. kamala harris hizo campaÑa en pensilvania, un estado clave. destacÓ el apoyo de republicanos que la apoyan, y que comparten la misma creencia de que el paÍs estÁ por encima del partido. vamos con detalles. reportera: antes de su entrevista con fox news, kamala harris advirtiÓ en pensilvania que donald trump es un peligro para el paÍs. [habla en inglÉs] >> es cada vez mÁs inestable y desquiciado. reportera: quiso captar a republicanos indecisos y moderados. >> creo que hay debilidad. hay republicanos que apoyen de forma incierta donald trump. kamala harris estÁ aprovechando esa debilidad. reportera: una crÍtica a harri

have you gotten the federal help you've asked for for springfield, ohio? >> no.he mayor has done an excellent job both in advocating, in trying to pull the community together. he's come here. we've brought him to the federal agencies. it is a federally created problem. the biden administration through expanding the parole program i believe illegally brought 5,000 people here from cuba, venezuela, haiti, others. 15 to 20,000 people settled in springfield, ohio. then the administration did something even more shocking last week. they indicated they were not going to extend the temporary protected status that these individuals have which could result into their going into an illegal status. springfield would have these individuals, they would not have any direct federal support and the community would get no additional assistance as to how to handle this almost 10% of the population of the city. >> yeah. >> that would now fall into an illegal status as a result of the administration terminating their protected status. >> which may happen in the coming -- >> months.

obviously he went on talking about the haitians in springfield.al citizens of this country, which we are invited by that city to help provide services and jobs. it goes on and on. i think he covered the subject at length this morning. the question here is univision did not distinguish themselves as being a true news organization. and serve as a platform, for close to an hour, of his continuing recital of lies. >> good morning. as you said, there are so many issues central to the lives of latino americans in this country that were not addressed yesterday. i guess the question is, why? because donald trump went there, haley goes places where he knows he will have a friendly reception. on the example that we showed there about the immigrants eating the pets in springfield, ohio, which is so quickly and easily refuted by the facts. you can say, fellow publicans, the governor, others said that's nonsense. why is it, in this case, deeply he was not held to account or pressed on some of his lies? >> julie, i cannot respond to the network. the person that

and donald trump's false claims about haitians, asian pits in springfield, ohio. but by standing with donald trump and not working together to find a solution, it becomes a talking point. and when it becomes a talking point like this, we d human eyes and fill in eyes other human beings. we want to have j. d. von police ahead, his microphone counts as he trying to talk beyond his allocate to the higher on the issue. the audience can't hear you because your mikes are caught. we have so much we want to get to thank you for explaining the legal process. pointed questions on healthcare, housing, the economy and abortion access revealed vastly different visions for the us. we have a partial birth abortion ban in this, in place in this country at the federal level. i don't think anybody's trying to get rid of that, or at least i hope not. so i know that democrats have taken a very radical pro abortion stance at senator, but the debates remain largely civil with any attacks reserved for the candidates running neighbors. we have to make us, we're going to be careful about

you see what's happened with springfield and aurora. you see what happens springfield, ohio you see what's happening. would you like to have that happen to you good. >> i was just curious who'd i helped can do that? who can do it? they inject 32,000 people from foreign land far land that has lots of problems. but they eject 30 and your 50,000 people. now you have enough like month you have almost doubled the size and it's a disaster. what's going on in aurora we have venezuelan street gangs. they went into the same businesses, me, but they take their real estate with guns. i had to go borrow money from banks they're in the real estate business they go into the governor there and colorado aurora, colorado, the governor is petrified his know what to do is devastating anything like it actually nobody has seen it. they like it when you get right down to it. but we can be a nation that dreams big again, we can be a nation that builds things again, we can and reclaim our pride, our dignity, our glorious american destiny break from the failure

springfield, ohio, es un ejemplo perfecto.ro no puedes poner en un perÍodo tan corto a 32,000 personas en una ciudad de 50,000 habitantes y esperar que todo funcione bien. es un desastre total. la gente que vive allÍ, se quieren ir, quieren irse a otro lugar, porque se hablas con ellos, se quieren mudar, porque nunca han enfrentado una situaciÓn asÍ. no podemos dejar que esto le pase a las ciudades de nuestro paÍs. no es sostenible. gracias por la pregunta. espero que votes por los republicanos. enrique: hacemos una breve pausa y regresamos en este encuentro histÓrico entre votantes latinos y el expresidente donald trump. locutor: "los latinos preguntan, donald trump responde". ♪ ♪ enrique: gracias por seguir en esta conversaciÓn con el expresidente trump y nuestra audiencia. empleo, salud, migraciÓn. ramiro gonzÁlez tiene una pregunta. ramiro: buenas noches, seÑor trump. yo soy un republicano que no estÁ inscrito todavÍa. le quiero dar la oportunidad de que me vuelva a ganar mi voto. sus acciones o falta de acciÓn durante su

he did it with springfield. the mayor and others have been begging him to tell the truth about a city in his own state, and he's kept lying about it, to the point where that city has had threats of violence. so i think it just shows someone who is so raw with ambition that he's willing to use sort of challenges or issues in the state he's supposed to be helping for his own advancement, even if those issues actually are painful or challenging in the state that he's supposed to represent. it just shows a very cynical side y think, that is a pattern that keeps repeating itself. >> david pepper, former chair of the ohio democratic party. really helpful to get that perspective. thanks for joining us. >> we're going to take a quick break. when we come back, we'll be joined live on set by a close friend of minnesota governor tim walz, a close friend who also happens to be a sitting u.s. senator. stay with us. tor. stay with us (sigh) if you struggle with cpap... you should check out inspire. no mask. no hose. just slee

, ohio in springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the cats. they're eating they're eating the pets of the people that live there. >> so that was september 10. it was ally of the foreign president had reason to know it was when he said it, his running mate's campaign had been told it was by the day before had a call from one of vance's staffers and asked, hey, are are the rumors true or pets being taken and eaten by the immigrants in your community? >> i said no. i said there's no substantiated evidence or proof that this is happening. it's a baseless claim so no, it's not happening then to see that continue to be retweeted by vance himself the next day. and then sitting there watching the presidential debate to see but that is the light that's being shared on our community. even though we've, we've told them that it's not true, it's untrue that that's that's difficult there was a day before donald trump took the lie about springfield's haitian community national on the debate stage tonight, univision is going to be airing a taped town hall wit

it began when a springfield resident told police that she suspected her haitian neighbors of chopping up her cat after finding meat in the backyard as it happens, the cat, miss sassy, had been hiding in the basement and was found days later and as you saw from springfield city manager, a moment ago, he told the vance campaign a day before the debate at the pet eating stories were baseless, but the foreign president isn't repeating any of that. he's repeating a lie that he claims has been reported knowingly. he's repeating this, but saying he's only repeating reports of what a lot of people are saying as he often puts it here, he is back in 2011 defending his false claim that president obama was not born in this country than doing what he did tonight, tacking a new falsehood on top the fact is a lot of people are troubled with this just like i am, but a lot believe 911 didn't the previous governor said that he saw the birth certificates. now they're saying, oh, it wasn't a birth certificate or certificate of white brights. there were supposed to be at birth certificate i don't think it

>> omar jimenez reports from springfield, ohio where haitian immigrants face hate in this city. they've called home if all of the haitians here there were gone, what do you think happens to springfield? >> the whole story with anderson cooper tomorrow at 8:00 on cnn closed captioning brought to you by guilt, visit gilt.com today for up to 70% off designer brands has the designers that get your heart racing had inside a prices new every day currie, they'll be gone in a flash designer sales at up to 70 keep sent off south gilt.com today since 2020, roughly 12,000 haitian immigrants have moved to springfield, ohio, a city that was once struggling to find workers. >> republican presidential nominee donald trump and his running mate jd vance, has spent a large portion of their campaign targeting these legal immigrants, but spread hurting disinformation and threatening to deport them. if elected. in this week's the whole story, cnn's omar jimenez takes viewers inside this city community members reveal how haitian immigrants have revitalized the local economy. here's a preview hey alex

he will double down on things as he has on the false claim that immigrants in springfield ohio were eatinga great case study. that claim was thoroughly examined by many media organizations. not just the fact checkers. they went to springfield, talked to people and, yet, it just got repeated and repeated and is still getting repeated today. >> this is bill adair. the book is beyond the big lie. how it could burn down our democracy. let's start with dan. dan is in california. republican line. go ahead. >> good morning, gentlemen. i just find it a little ironic that you guys have a book targeting republicans which we are a diverse group of people across religion, we are not all born americans. you are sort of labeling us like that. in the title of your book is the big lie. you open with a 2012 audio cited where you yourself said you lied i mean, i don't know if he had a nondisclosure or an nda, but you have capitalized on a. you are capitalist. i get that. you are selling a book now. i just think that's rich. that is my comment. i don't understand how you can write a book about how people liv

, what did you make of that well first of all, the people of ohio, springfield, according to the governorand the mayor, are quite happy that this has been a boon to to that to the economy of that town. >> and, you know, when you start talking about deporting people, how are you going to deport them? how are you? i mean they have certain rights. i mean i understand that they're here legally and they have a lot, a ton to contribute. but, you know and the cats and dogs thing, of course it's been debunked and shown to be not true. but since when does he care about telling the truth? you know, if the haitians are the perfect target for him they're kind of black and they come from an impoverished nation. they actually speak some version of french. they're just the perfect target for him and he doesn't look at any of them as human beings, which i think it seems like their fellow citizens in springfield do look at them as human beings, as they all should yeah. >> i mean, we've done lots of segments on springfield, and i mean, just about everybody we've spoken with has said you know, that they've

springfield. in springfield, ohio, and in communities all across this country, you've got schools that are open mind. you've got hospitals that are open mind. you've got housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with americans for scarce homes the people that i'm most worried about are the american citizens who have had their lives destroyed by kamala harris's open border. and i agree with you. if you want to solve this problem but i don't think kamala harris does. >> governor, you have one minute to respond. >> yeah, it is law enforcement that asks for the bill they helped craft it. they're the ones that supported it. that's because we know we need to do this. this issue of continuing to bring this up, of not dealing with it, of blaming migrants for everything. on housing, we can talk about wall street speculators buying housing but it becomes a blame. this bill also gives the money necessary to adjudicate. i agree. it should not take sev

in springfield, ohio, and in communities all across this country, you've got schools that are overwhelmed, hospitals that are overwhelmed. you've got housing totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with

about from the columbus dispatch, haitian nonprofit filed charges against vance and trump work springfield claims. it says that they are charging them for repeated claims without evidence about haitian immigrants in springfield eating pets. it vance posted claims about haitian immigrants adopting and eating pets and trump repeated them during the debate. the local and state officials of the claims are false. central ohio city of 60,000 has been plagued by bomb threats and poor school attendance as the situation gained national attention. professional goldstein? -- faster goldstein? guest: to exit goldstein? -- professor goldstein? guest: to answer the question, i don't remember another vice president candidate being charged while running. i think this episode certainly will be one that will be discussed, in the sense that senator vance made the allegations, repeated allegations have been made against patients in springfield, ohio. it turned out they were said to be entirely false and after it was made clear by the wall street journal and others that these were untrue allegations, he said s

of course, reached out to the republican mayor of springfield, ohio, rob rue.told us, quote, the unfounded rumors about springfield and the haitian immigrants here are detrimental to our town and we hope they will come to an end. a kindly urged president trump to consider the impact of his words on springfield, ohio now, trump, dealing with this as kamala harris is now on her way to wisconsin one of the key states in the democrats see as a blue wall crucial to win but tonight some democrats are worried that the blue wall may not stand. jeff zeleny is outfront so much is at stake in this election. democrats are grabbing a bullhorn and fever actually working to fortify their blue wall? >> yes, election is going to come down to a handful of states so that's why we're doing the blue wall bus tour. michigan, pennsylvania, and of course the great state of wisconsin are going to decide the outcome of the election. >> you battlegrounds, hold us it's much critical symbolism as this trio of states, where democrats are still haunted by donald trump's 2016 victory is the a

ladies, stay away from springfield. those are going to come out anyway, talk about what they're going to do for america and the hope and the joy that tim walz let's brings. i talk about my mole football team that walked out on that stage at the dnc. that was a moment, folks, i got to tell you home and spoke to a lot of people across this country. >> all right. you can watch tim walz and jd vance's first face off in their vp debate hosted by cbs news tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. and i'll be heading to you or to do some of our pre debate coverage. don't miss it straight ahead here on cnn this morning, we continue to bring you the latest on the devastation across the southeast and the destruction left behind by hurricane helene plus new this morning, tens of thousands of dock workers go on strike. potentially massive disruption to the economy. just weeks before election day special event, the vice presidential debates tonight at nine and i need these items printed with her logo by friday. >> certainly. >

. >> most voters in springfield, ohio, the place donald trump is lying about, voted for donald trump, 61%. it is a republican town. and not one of the thousands of trump voters in springfield, ohio has come forward to try to help donald trump pushes lie about springfield, ohio, not one which is worth keeping in mind for those of you who might worry about what disappointed trump voters might do on election day or election night or at any point that they think donald trump has not won the election, i for one think that they will do exactly what they did last time. donald trump lost the election. it was called by the networks on saturday, november 7. nothing. there was literally dancing in the streets in america and democratic cities and there was the same quiet, silence from the losing side of the presidential election that we have always seen. that's what actually happened the day donald trump officially lost. yes, a very tiny percentage of trump supporters decided to get violent in washington dc two months later on january 6 but most of the people who attended donald trump to rally th

of course, reached out to the republican mayor of springfield, ohio, rob rue. he told us, quote, the unfounded rumors about springfield and the haitian immigrants here are detrimental to our town and we hope they will come to an end. i kindly urge president trump to concede that or the impact of his words on springfield, ohio. now, trump dealing with this as kamala harris is now on her way to wisconsin, one of the key states in the democrats see as a blue wall crucial to win. but tonight some democrats are worried that the blue wall may not stand. jeff zeleny is outfront election. >> democrats are grabbing a bullhorn and fever actually working to fortify their blue wall. >> yes, election is going to come down to a handful of states and that's why we're doing the blue wall bus tour. michigan, pennsylvania, and of course the great state of wisconsin are going to decide the outcome of this election you battlegrounds hold as much critical symbolism is this trio of states, where democrats are still haunted by donald trump's 2016 victory is the anxiety among democrat

governor walz brought up - the community of springfield.ought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with americans for scarce homes. just to clarify for our viewers, springfield, ohio ohio does have a large number of haitian migrants who have legal status. thank you. the rules were that - you guys were going to fact fact check and, since you'rel fact checking me, i think it's important to say what's actually going on. - we want to have... it's something that's| been on the books... microphone cuts out. gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because your mics are cut. that was a bit of a moment, wasn't it? but there's one question on everyone's minds — who won the debate? here's jarrod hill, from our partner station cbs. according to a poll conducted immediately afterwards, they say a1% believe jenny vance, the republican candidate, took this one. around a1% say ten walls won. —— tim walz. 70% said it was a tie. it looks as though neither one of these candidates did any harm to their campaigns, which is kind of all they can hope for.

in springfield, philly means philistine is the voice of haitian migrants. when donald trump said falsely in a precedential debate, the ations here were stealing and eating the pets of springfield. that's always screw concern. we are human being just like everyone. dozens of death threats have left state police protecting the schools. wittenberg university in clark state college have shut down their campuses and switch to remote classes. even some trump supporters say they cringe when they heard the former president invoke their town, shot the village there. they loved the man. many haitian migrants here in springfield told us their concern, but most of them declined to go on camera. they said they fear reprisals either in person or through social media. many of them told us, they're scared. some new comers now say they are considering meeting spring feet as a us citizen who arrived in 1994 philippine philistine advises them to stick it out the israel, at least as new as strikes on lebanon's capital off to boarding people in the south of pharaoh to evacuate

what's also heartening about springfield is ohio this month said they don't believe the lies about the haitian residents. i think americans are largely still tolerant, but they are drifting to not really a fear of the other, it's not replacement theory or that their criminals it's that we don't have enough resources and we cannot defend ukraine's sovereignty and it doesn't affect us anyway. we really need to spend money at home and the same with immigrants and taking care of them. >> the reality of immigrants is not that it's harmful. that it's not a real harm to the country. you make a really great point because there was recently an issue where a rapper went on a grant on the social media about the city of new york, this program where they were providing ebt cards to venezuelan migrants who were in shelters being shipped from florida, ron desantis went into texas, grab these venezuelan immigrants and started sending them all over the country. they have no green card that cannot work they are stuck in the shelters and because they are in the shelters they weren't eating the food it wa

springfield is a town like i grew up in mansfield, town almost identical to springfield in size and history. a proud industrial town where bad trade agreements and greedy corporate interests and politicians cause the jobs to move overseas. they are fighting back and making progress. i have been working with this huge influx of immigrants of legal immigrants with this huge influx in the city of 60,000. i've been working with the governor and with federal agencies and education and the justice department and health and human services and hud to make sure they have the resources they need to deal with this. they were making progress and demagoguery stepped in with appeals to people's -- i'll leave it at that. what the town really came together in the business community, republicans and democrat officials, been talking to them for weeks and weeks. they are fighting back. it is still a challenge. they wish outside politicians would shut up and go away. i am hopeful that town will continue to prosper and continue the come back and this will be in the rearview mirror. >> senator brown, thank you f

but springfield was a city once struggling to find workers.ublican presidential nominee, donald trump and running mate senator jd vance, has spent a lot of their campaign pain lately targeting these legal immigrants, spreading claims that haven't been backed up by evidence and threatening to deport them if elected. now, since the presidential debate back on september 10, i've been in springfield many times and i quickly realized there's a bigger story there that existed way before all of these national politics got involved. so in this week's the whole whole story, i'm going to take you inside this community. i spoke with local residents, business owners, city leaders, and the immigrants who are now facing harassment and threats to their safety. here's a preview your first patient, immigrant? >> 34 years ago. post pandemic era as we came out of the pandemic, there was this huge demand for production and we were struggling pointing to find people to come in and work with us. they might work a day or two and then we'd never see him again. they j

in springfield, ohio — springfield.. it is a disgrace, tim, and i agree with you. _ disgrace, tim, and i agree with you. i_ disgrace, tim, and i agree with you. ithink— disgrace, tim, and i agree with you, i think you want to solve this— you, i think you want to solve this problem but i don't think kamala — this problem but i don't think kamala harris does. specifically an exchange on the case of springfield, ohio. joining me now is senior advisor to the trump—vance campaign, jason miller. thanks for being with us again on bbc news. that exchange there, one of the more fiery during the debate and so much kept coming back to the question of immigration. how do you thinkjd vance handle it? i thinkjd vance had an absolutely dominant performance tonight in the debate and you can see why president trump picked him because together they have that vision for how we will fix the economy and deal with the immigration crisis that is gripping the united states. one of the things jd united states. one of the thingsjd vance did so m

one thing we can say, excuse me, springfield, ohio. one thing we can say that we know is that most of the people who are on the ground in springfield are here legally through a specific program, the department of homeland security. >> in addition to that, he talked about the hurricane response. >> to helene was something that he he's talked about a lot saying that there were no federal officials on the ground, that no one was could be seen. nobody was helping that. we know not to be true for both republicans and democrats on the ground found who have described it as a helpful response, particularly the federal response. he also said that fema didn't have enough money to help with disaster response. they do because they had moved all of their money to help with migrant housing. that is not true. fema has multiple pots of money. one of them is for disaster relief other is for migrant housing. but it's the congressional allotment, meaning that that money for migrant housing cannot be taken at hughes were disaster relief and same not buyin

howard: your famous line about springfield, ohio, and 15-20,000 and legal haitian immigrants in that area cause ago lot of friction and when you said it's gone viral and they're eating the dogs and eating the cats. you said you're reporting what was said. why not say that turned out to be true. >> i don't know if that's true or not. i have no idea and the big problem is that you can't put 30,000 people into a 50,000 person town or city and expect the city to survive or do well. there's a lot of horrible stories i've heard. i haven't said it. maybe i will, maybe i won't but that's a story that was reported and i said that and why not go after the newspaper that said it. howard: i think it's been debunked. >> i don't think it has been debunked. nobody talked about it but you. howard: why donald trump keeps describing his opponent as a marxist. when tropical storm fred sent a devastating wall of water and debris down this river, it seemed hopeless. but when the waters receded, belfor was here. not just to rebuild, but to help restore the life of this community. belfor. restoring more th

springfield is a population of about 60,000. i have not seen anywhere there are 30,000 migrants move in, the most seems to be about 15,000 is the number people are settling on. again, the numbers matter, because that is affecting the impact of what he is saying. >> it is also interesting to try and understand, if there is any logic whatsoever to apply to donald trump's ramblings. it is how this actually plays as a strategy. i think on top of the january 6th report, this is where the bush republicans start to think, okay, this is really too much. sort of if you think about what is happening today, liz cheney is actually in wisconsin with kamala harris, the two of them are campaigning together. this feels like for independence of bush republicans, this is too much, though. that could be enough in the swing states to ensure kamala wins. >> it is so interesting, jonathan lanier, because this is not the first time we have heard donald trump talking like a dictator want to be, beyond saying, he would be a dictator for a day. he also r

role of a woman in the family, what he talked about with, with patient immigrants, for example, in springfield, ohio, what came up during the trump debate with harris actually reflected back on that because he began this whole thing about asian immigrants in springfield, ohio, eating people's pets. this plays into the immigration debates of the kind of hard line they want to take. so by softening his image, he really was able to push a lot of that away. but a lot of his answers at the same time, they weren't very complete, he would begin processing integration is not the cause of everything. and then we come back at the end of the day, but that's why these people need to leave our country mediately. there are a lot of holes in here and waltz again, couldn't quite dig in and expose some of those mistruths. nope, that experts say that v p debates do little to sway motors on either side. so you think this one's going to be different? i don't know, it is a difficult question. we know that a bad performance is more likely to weigh on a ticket then a good performance is likely to help it. i would sa